--- Log opened Fri Nov 20 00:00:23 2009
--- Day changed Fri Nov 20 2009
00:00 -!- drusepth [n=drusepth@adsl-75-33-217-220.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has
joined #go-nuts
00:00 -!- andresambrois [n=aa@r190-135-167-54.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has
joined #go-nuts
00:01 -!- drusepth` [n=drusepth@adsl-75-33-217-220.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has
joined #go-nuts
00:02 -!- Anusko [n=anusko@a83-132-19-244.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #go-nuts
00:03 -!- sm [n=sm@cpe-76-173-194-242.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts
00:03 < hagna> uriel: so I haven't tried plan9 should I?
00:04 < uriel> why do you ask me?
00:04 < uriel> in any case, anyone should read the papers before trying the
OS: http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/
00:04 < hagna> uriel: you seem to know
00:04 < uriel> I don't know anything
00:04 < hagna> the criticism sounded good
00:05 < jimi_hendrix> i take it go has no compiler warnings, just errors?
00:06 -!- timmcd [n=Adium@97-117-100-106.slkc.qwest.net] has left #go-nuts []
00:07 < KirkMcDonald> Warning: No warnings.
00:07 <+danderson> Warnings being treated as errors
00:07 <+danderson> Compile failed.
00:08 -!- kmc [n=keegan@98.140.110.255] has joined #go-nuts
00:08 -!- aa [n=aa@r190-135-212-29.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Nick
collision from services.]
00:09 -!- stalled [n=411@95-24-217-225.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #go-nuts
00:09 < TenOfTen> so why call them warnings at all?
00:10 < jimi_hendrix> well if i import something, dont use it, and i get an
error....
00:10 < jimi_hendrix> wow...go routines make it a pain to trace
errors...lots of output
00:10 -!- skyfive [n=skyfive@173-11-110-86-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has
joined #go-nuts
00:11 -!- thingie59
[n=foo@125-238-120-247.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined
#go-nuts
00:11 < Eytre> better than no output
00:12 -!- Perberos [n=Perberos@190.49.17.162] has joined #go-nuts
00:15 < jimi_hendrix> what does range do?
00:15 -!- uwedeportivo [n=uwe@216.239.45.19] has quit []
00:15 < dagle2> jimi_hendrix: Have you looked at the 3 day intro?
00:16 < dagle2> (it's explained on day to pretty good or day 3)
00:16 < jimi_hendrix> no, just the tutorial here:
http://golang.org/doc/go_tutorial.html
00:16 < dagle2> two*
00:16 < jimi_hendrix> which skipped quite a bit actually
00:16 < dagle2> Read Day 2
00:16 < dagle2> And Day 1
00:17 < jimi_hendrix> link?
00:17 -!- drusepth`` [n=drusepth@adsl-75-33-218-125.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has
quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
00:18 < dagle2> jimi_hendrix: read the top of the link you sent me.
00:18 < jimi_hendrix> ha
00:18 < jimi_hendrix> haha
00:18 < jimi_hendrix> hahaha
00:19 -!- sliceofpi2 [n=Adium@c-98-201-183-147.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit
["Leaving."]
00:20 -!- drusepth [n=drusepth@adsl-75-33-217-220.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has
quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
00:21 -!- middayc_ [n=chatzill@BSN-176-210-184.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has joined
#go-nuts
00:22 -!- stalled_ [n=411@89-178-47-76.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error:
110 (Connection timed out)]
00:22 -!- hector [n=chatzill@client-86-0-126-58.nrth.adsl.virginmedia.com] has
quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
00:22 -!- scarabx [n=scarabx@c-24-147-239-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined
#go-nuts
00:23 -!- rrr [i=rrr@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x9230E18F] has quit [Remote closed the
connection]
00:23 -!- voluspa [n=voluspa@x-134-84-102-227.reshalls.umn.edu] has joined
#go-nuts
00:24 -!- tcpip4000 [n=tcpip400@190.84.233.18] has joined #go-nuts
00:26 -!- Eytre [n=afitz@adsl-190-192-124.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit []
00:26 -!- rrr [i=rrr___@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x9230E18F] has joined #go-nuts
00:26 < dacc> hagna: found this if you're interested:
http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/59214
00:27 -!- Anusko [n=anusko@a83-132-19-244.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Read error:
110 (Connection timed out)]
00:28 -!- vegy [i=neki@89-212-27-225.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has quit ["(
www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )"]
00:28 -!- amacleod [n=amacleod@c-24-34-33-96.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read
error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
00:28 -!- shdw [n=alvaro@143.Red-83-61-110.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined
#go-nuts
00:29 < directrixx> dacc: I was trying to install that yesterday on
VirtualBox.  Never got the video working correctly
00:29 < dacc> directrixx: that same image?  i'm going to try in vmware
fusion
00:30 < directrixx> dacc: yeah virtualbox takes .vmdk images, it booted
fine, but when it went from the terminal to rio, all i saw was garbage
00:31 < dacc> hmm, i'll let you know how it goes with the commercial soln
00:31 -!- rrr [i=rrr___@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x9230E18F] has quit [Client Quit]
00:31 -!- dacc [n=dan@D-128-95-10-176.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit ["linear
algebra hw =\"]
00:34 -!- middayc [n=chatzill@BSN-61-46-236.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has quit [Read
error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
00:34 -!- rrr [i=rrr@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x9230E18F] has joined #go-nuts
00:35 -!- lolsuper_ [n=super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Read
error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
00:36 -!- lolsuper_ [n=super_@pool-173-65-48-13.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has
joined #go-nuts
00:37 -!- loureiro [n=loureiro@201008207197.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined
#go-nuts
00:38 -!- mitchellh [n=mitchell@c-71-231-140-22.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit
["Leaving."]
00:39 -!- dj_tjerk [n=pietjebe@5ED1C662.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: 104
(Connection reset by peer)]
00:40 -!- fosho [n=afitz@adsl-190-192-124.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #go-nuts
00:41 < rbohn> There is an old vmware video problem with a know solution
(turn of video acceleration).
00:42 -!- aanderse
[n=aanderse@CPE001b11cc67d3-CM0019475d7f5e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined
#go-nuts
00:42 < uriel> that was supposedly fixed a billions years ago
00:43 -!- skyfive [n=skyfive@173-11-110-86-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit
[Remote closed the connection]
00:43 * uriel runs plan9 on vmware just fine
00:43 -!- Fl1pFl0p [n=FlipFlop@ip68-8-225-187.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Client
Quit]
00:43 -!- Anusko [n=anusko@a83-132-19-244.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #go-nuts
00:46 -!- mat__ [n=mat@mx3.absolight.net] has joined #go-nuts
00:46 -!- dobre_zlo [i=unixwiza@k-lined.info] has quit [Read error: 104
(Connection reset by peer)]
00:49 < uriel> hey, foo[x:] slices were commited a few min ago!  nice
00:50 -!- tcpip4000 [n=tcpip400@190.84.233.18] has left #go-nuts []
00:50 < rbohn> !!!
00:51 -!- aanderse
[n=aanderse@CPE001b11cc67d3-CM0019475d7f5e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit
[Remote closed the connection]
00:51 < rbohn> hg pull -u (or is there a better incantation?)
00:52 < uriel> hg pull -u should be fine if you are tracking the tip
00:52 < KirkMcDonald> uriel: Ohhh.
00:52 < uriel> if you are on 'release', you will have to wait for the next
release
00:52 -!- dobre_zlo [i=unixwiza@k-lined.info] has joined #go-nuts
00:53 < uriel> also, after looking at the commit, I'm not sure if the
compilers have been updated yet to support it :?
00:54 -!- KillerX [n=anant@145.116.234.40] has joined #go-nuts
00:54 < KirkMcDonald> uriel: So what was it?  Just a patch to the grammar?
00:54 -!- aanderse
[n=aanderse@CPE001b11cc67d3-CM0019475d7f5e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined
#go-nuts
00:54 < uriel> yes, to pkg/go/ mostly
00:54 < exch> meh it fails to build.  duplicate definition of
regexp.Regexp{}
00:55 -!- RayNbow [i=kirika@scientia.demon.nl] has quit ["When science finally
locates the center of the universe, some people will be surprised to learn they're
not it"]
00:56 < rbohn> there go your so called 'easy optimizations' :p
00:56 < jimi_hendrix> can i do something for an array like %v, but with
commas thrown inbetween each element
00:56 < uriel> hehe
00:56 < exch> jimi_hendrix: %+v or %#v
00:57 < KirkMcDonald> I found myself missing the %*s format specifier in Go.
00:57 < jimi_hendrix> thanks
00:57 < jimi_hendrix> KirkMcDonald, that did...
00:57 -!- Rob_Russell [n=chatzill@206-248-157-156.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined
#go-nuts
00:58 < KirkMcDonald> It would look like: fmt.Sprintf("%*s", 5, "x") == "x "
00:58 < jimi_hendrix> oh
00:58 < KirkMcDonald> That is, it represents a dynamic field width.
00:59 < KirkMcDonald> Very useful.
00:59 -!- smcq_ [n=smcq@adsl-76-254-26-58.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined
#go-nuts
00:59 -!- mat_ [n=mat@mx3.absolight.net] has quit [Read error: 111 (Connection
refused)]
01:01 -!- hallidave
[n=hallidav@CPE001ff3406248-CM0018680dd678.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined
#go-nuts
01:01 < s_mosher> KirkMcDonald, what do you use that for?
01:03 -!- kim__ [n=kim@207-179-227-215.mtco.com] has joined #go-nuts
01:03 < s_mosher> (the perl in me says to build the fmt string with a
previous call to sprintf or s///, horrible eh?)
01:03 -!- lindsayd [n=lindsayd@nat/cisco/x-iefqcgeadjgvigvi] has quit ["Client
exiting"]
01:03 -!- kim__ [n=kim@207-179-227-215.mtco.com] has left #go-nuts ["wizard needs
food -- badly!"]
01:04 < KirkMcDonald> s_mosher: In the command-line option parser that I
wrote, I would have liked to use it in the --help generator.
01:04 < KirkMcDonald> s_mosher: Instead I did exactly what you just said:
Used Sprintf to make the format string.
01:05 < s_mosher> for spacings?  hmmm
01:08 -!- Venom_X [n=pjacobs@66.54.185.131] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to
host)]
01:08 -!- nixfreak [n=nixfreak@mn-10k-dhcp1-3174.dsl.hickorytech.net] has quit
[Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
01:08 -!- Raziel2p [n=Raziel2p@ti0032a380-dhcp0316.bb.online.no] has quit [Read
error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)]
01:09 -!- Raziel2p [n=Raziel2p@ti0032a380-dhcp0316.bb.online.no] has joined
#go-nuts
01:09 -!- triplez [n=triplez@cm52.sigma225.maxonline.com.sg] has quit []
01:10 -!- skyfive [n=skyfive@h-74-1-186-114.snfccasy.static.covad.net] has joined
#go-nuts
01:11 -!- djanderson [n=dja@hltncable.pioneerbroadband.net] has joined #go-nuts
01:12 -!- Gracenotes [n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has quit [Remote closed the
connection]
01:13 -!- rndbot [n=bot@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has quit [Remote closed the
connection]
01:14 -!- WalterMundt [n=waltermu@twiki/developer/EtherMage] has quit ["Leaving."]
01:15 -!- mxpxpod [n=bryan@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has quit ["Ex-Chat"]
01:17 -!- qbit_ [n=qbit_@c-75-71-160-106.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit
["WinPants!"]
01:18 -!- amuck [n=amuck@h140.154.190.173.ip.windstream.net] has joined #go-nuts
01:20 -!- Gracenotes [n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has joined #go-nuts
01:20 -!- raichoo [n=raichoo@i577BA4A3.versanet.de] has quit
["http://raichoo.blogspot.com"]
01:20 -!- gasreaa [n=atwong@nat/slide/x-wpaxihypexjqxkym] has joined #go-nuts
01:20 -!- arieru [n=arieru@190.3.74.225] has joined #go-nuts
01:20 -!- gasreaa [n=atwong@nat/slide/x-wpaxihypexjqxkym] has left #go-nuts []
01:21 -!- drusepth [n=drusepth@adsl-75-33-217-220.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has
joined #go-nuts
01:21 < arieru> Hello...  When I want to compile hello.go, a message saying
"can't find import fmt" is shown by the compiler.  I asume my packages are not
installed.  Some one can help me ?
01:22 -!- Fraeon [n=kzer-za@e212-246-65-153.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit []
01:22 < KirkMcDonald> arieru: Are GOROOT, GOARCH, GOOS, and GOBIN set?
01:23 -!- penguin42 [n=dg@tu006.demon.co.uk] has left #go-nuts []
01:26 < arieru> KirkMcDonald, let me see...  Thanks...  I thins vars was
exported, when I compile go, but no then, when I reboot my computer
01:26 < arieru> are this variables necesary all the time ?
01:26 -!- turutosiya [n=turutosi@219.106.251.65] has joined #go-nuts
01:27 < KirkMcDonald> Yes.
01:29 < arieru> KirkMcDonald, Thanks a lot...  solved.  :S I'am too newbie
yet
01:30 -!- arieru [n=arieru@190.3.74.225] has quit ["Ex-Chat"]
01:31 -!- Gracenotes_ [n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has joined #go-nuts
01:31 -!- franksalim [n=frank@76.221.202.115] has joined #go-nuts
01:33 -!- dgnorton [n=none@24.224.99.49] has joined #go-nuts
01:33 -!- rndbot [n=bot@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has joined #go-nuts
01:33 -!- Gracenotes [n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has quit [Nick collision from
services.]
01:35 -!- dgnorton [n=none@24.224.99.49] has left #go-nuts []
01:37 -!- triplez [n=triplez@bb116-14-27-220.singnet.com.sg] has joined #go-nuts
01:39 < jimi_hendrix> is there something like bufio.ReadString but with
multiple delims?
01:39 < jimi_hendrix> (or multichar delims...)
01:39 -!- drusepth` [n=drusepth@adsl-75-33-217-220.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has
quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
01:40 -!- ring-zero [n=hotshot@117.199.129.116] has quit ["Leaving"]
01:41 -!- XniX23 [n=XniX23@89-212-198-49.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has quit [Remote
closed the connection]
01:43 -!- thingie59
[n=foo@125-238-120-247.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has quit []
01:44 < sladegen> jimi_hendrix: i think the answer is the usual: use regex
or implement your own walker.
01:44 < sladegen> jimi_hendrix: perhaps byte.Split
01:45 < sladegen> bytes.Split*
01:45 < jimi_hendrix> ok
01:45 < jimi_hendrix> sladegen, is the lack of a function like that more a
new language thing or a design decision thing
01:46 -!- tuor [n=greg@76.186.192.175] has joined #go-nuts
01:47 -!- damien [n=damien@damien.grassart.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No
route to host)]
01:48 -!- aanderse
[n=aanderse@CPE001b11cc67d3-CM0019475d7f5e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit
[Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
01:49 < jimi_hendrix> how would i trigger a segfault instead of an index out
of bounds thing?
01:50 <+danderson> you shouldn't be able to generate an invalid memory
reference, due to the lack of pointer arithmetic
01:50 <+danderson> so, the answer is that you don't
01:50 < jimi_hendrix> well i just did
01:50 <+danderson> (to my knowledge)
01:50 <+danderson> fun.
01:50 <+danderson> so that's either a bug, or some language semantics I
missed.
01:50 < JBeshir> Was this on an array, jimi_hendrix?
01:50 < JBeshir> Or a slice?
01:51 < jimi_hendrix> SIGSEGV: segmentation violation
01:51 < jimi_hendrix> Faulting address: 0x28
01:51 < jimi_hendrix> PC=0x400b1c
01:51 < jimi_hendrix> JBeshir, neither
01:52 <+danderson> sounds like a null pointer deref with an array offset,
which should be impossible
01:52 < jimi_hendrix> i was writting to a TCPCon
01:52 < jimi_hendrix> main·sendMessage+0xa4
/home/me/Code/Go/GoGet/src/main.go:44
01:52 < jimi_hendrix> main·sendMessage(0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, ...)
01:52 < jimi_hendrix> and i should not be sending all nulls to that
function...
01:53 <+danderson> really sounds like a bug.  I would open an issue at
http://code.google.com/p/go/ with a minimal reproduction recipe
01:54 < jimi_hendrix> danderson, what should i include
01:54 <+danderson> the program you used to cause the segfault, ideally the
smallest possible program that triggers it
01:54 <+danderson> and the compiler you used (6g, 8g, gccgo)
01:56 -!- FeyyazEsat [n=feyyazes@85.107.220.15] has joined #go-nuts
01:56 < FeyyazEsat> FeyyazEsat:
01:56 < FeyyazEsat> FeyyazEsat,
01:56 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+o danderson] by ChanServ
01:57 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+b *!*=feyyazes@85.107.220.*] by danderson
01:57 -!- FeyyazEsat was kicked from #go-nuts by danderson [get out.]
01:57 -!- mode/#go-nuts [-o danderson] by danderson
01:57 < JBeshir> Nice reaction tiem.
01:57 < JBeshir> *time.
01:57 < jimi_hendrix> danderson, i dont know what triggered it
01:57 < jimi_hendrix> is he a known troll
01:57 <+danderson> jimi_hendrix: but you have the program, no?
01:57 < jimi_hendrix> yes
01:57 < jimi_hendrix> i will paste the whole thing
01:57 <+danderson> so dump the source code into the bug
01:57 < jimi_hendrix> ok
01:58 <+danderson> that, combined with the compiler you used, should be
enough to reproduce the problem
01:58 < jimi_hendrix> ok
01:58 -!- yibter [n=yibter@c-76-105-116-44.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit
["Leaving"]
01:58 < jimi_hendrix> was issue #9 ever resolved?
01:59 < jimi_hendrix> danderson, must i follow the little default format
thingie?
02:00 <+danderson> jimi_hendrix: you don't have to, it's just a guideline
for new users
02:00 <+danderson> but in your case, the expected/actual behavior is pretty
obvious
02:00 <+danderson> "it crapped itself.  It should not do that."
02:00 -!- General1337 [n=support@71-84-247-187.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com] has
joined #go-nuts
02:00 < jimi_hendrix> hehe
02:03 -!- tuor [n=greg@76.186.192.175] has quit []
02:05 -!- assiss [n=assiss@219.143.153.59] has joined #go-nuts
02:05 -!- aho [n=nya@g226128246.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts
02:06 -!- prip [n=_prip@host163-122-dynamic.32-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has
joined #go-nuts
02:07 <+danderson> oh, missed a couple of your questions
02:07 <+danderson> is the dude from above a known troll, dunno.
02:07 <+danderson> But he's not a regular, and repeating your name twice in
the first 10 seconds of being in a channel gets you kicked out
02:08 <+danderson> he was also killed off the network shortly after, so I'll
go with troll.
02:08 -!- KillerX [n=anant@gentoo/developer/KillerX] has quit ["Leaving."]
02:08 <+danderson> and issue #9, I have no idea
02:10 -!- aanderse
[n=aanderse@CPE001b11cc67d3-CM0019475d7f5e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined
#go-nuts
02:10 < drhodes> channel buffer sizes are immutable, right?
02:10 < jimi_hendrix> danderson, what should I put for the one line on top
of the bug
02:11 < jimi_hendrix> danderson, the guy seems to have a very valid claim
for issue #9
02:11 -!- skyyy [i=caw@129.21.116.238] has quit [Client Quit]
02:13 <+danderson> "Segfault when writing to a TCPCon" sounds about right
02:13 < KragenSitaker> danderson: I don't think he was actually a troll; he
was asking genuine beginner questions a day or two ago
02:13 < jimi_hendrix> ok
02:13 < KragenSitaker> in rather poor English
02:13 <+danderson> KragenSitaker: oh?  Darn.
02:13 * danderson checks logs
02:13 < KragenSitaker> so if it were up to me, I would go ahead and unban
him
02:13 < jimi_hendrix> http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=277
02:14 -!- maruel [n=maruel_2@google1.osuosl.org] has quit ["leaving"]
02:14 <+danderson> crap, yeah.
02:14 <+danderson> KragenSitaker: yes, point well made.  I'd never have
kicked him if I'd seen him before.  :(
02:14 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+o danderson] by ChanServ
02:14 -!- mode/#go-nuts [-b *!*=feyyazes@85.107.220.*] by danderson
02:14 -!- mode/#go-nuts [-o danderson] by danderson
02:15 < jimi_hendrix> how long will it take for someone to get back to me on
a patch review
02:15 < scandal> i got feedback within a few hours on the one i submitted
02:16 <+danderson> dunno.  But bugs do get examined fairly quickly
02:16 -!- Guest9229 [n=chatzill@bb116-14-32-24.singnet.com.sg] has joined #go-nuts
02:16 < scandal> but it was early in the day
02:16 <+danderson> I think the go folks are all at home or zoned out on
hacking now, so it may take a day or so
02:16 < jimi_hendrix> danderson, its more a feature addition than a bug
02:17 * jimi_hendrix submited this at aroud 6 EST
02:17 < jimi_hendrix> it was a small adition to the log package that I felt
might be useful enough to be added
02:17 <+danderson> which # ?
02:17 -!- golangguru [n=chatzill@124.125.104.56] has joined #go-nuts
02:18 < goplexian> anyone gotten sdl_go to work?
02:18 -!- General13372 [n=support@71-84-247-187.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com] has quit
[Connection timed out]
02:20 < jimi_hendrix> 157094 danderson
02:23 <+danderson> wha?
02:23 <+danderson> jimi_hendrix: I mean what issue number on the bug tracker
02:23 <+danderson> I'm assuming the patch is submitted there for review?  Or
where?
02:24 < jimi_hendrix> oh then i did something wrong :)
02:24 < jimi_hendrix> ya that contributte to the go code page could be
better
02:25 < jimi_hendrix> because if i submitted an update where it was supposed
to be a bug fix i did something wrong
02:25 <+danderson> oh, a code review like that
02:25 < jimi_hendrix> ya
02:25 <+danderson> hold on
02:25 <+danderson> I'm not familiar with the procedure to contribute
02:27 <+danderson> jimi_hendrix: open another issue for the fix and link to
the code review.  That sounds like the best way to me.
02:28 < jimi_hendrix> danderson, no its not a bug fix, its a feature
addition
02:28 <+danderson> the tracker also tracks new features
02:28 <+danderson> but one more second
02:28 -!- jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #go-nuts
02:29 <+danderson> jimi_hendrix: so, you submitted the code review to
go-dev@googlegroups.com, which doesn't exist
02:30 <+danderson> so either remail it to go-nuts@, or create an issue and
link to the code review
02:31 < jimi_hendrix> ok
02:31 < uriel> nice: http://github.com/mikejs/gomongo
02:32 -!- voluspa [n=voluspa@x-134-84-102-227.reshalls.umn.edu] has quit [Read
error: 113 (No route to host)]
02:32 -!- drusepth` [n=drusepth@adsl-75-33-217-220.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has
joined #go-nuts
02:32 -!- amacleod [n=amacleod@c-24-34-33-96.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined
#go-nuts
02:32 <+danderson> nice indeed
02:32 <+danderson> and on that note, g'night (what's left of it)
02:33 < jimi_hendrix> go-nuts@where?
02:33 < jimi_hendrix> danderson ^
02:34 -!- smcq_ [n=smcq@adsl-76-254-26-58.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit
["This computer has gone to sleep"]
02:35 < uriel> good night danderson
02:36 < jimi_hendrix> uriel, by go-nuts@ did he mean
go-nuts@googlegroups.com?
02:36 < uriel> jimi_hendrix: danderson is just confused
02:36 < jimi_hendrix> lol
02:36 < jimi_hendrix> well i am now confused
02:36 < uriel> no, there is no such group
02:36 < uriel> there is only golang-nuts@
02:36 < jimi_hendrix> so where do i send this
02:37 < uriel> and golang-dev
02:37 < uriel> where do you send what?
02:37 -!- gnibbler_ [n=duckman@124.168.30.157] has joined #go-nuts
02:37 < jimi_hendrix> small, yet possibly useful addition i made to the log
package
02:37 -!- tor7 [n=tor@c-987a71d5.04-50-6c756e10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit
[]
02:38 < uriel> follow the "how to contribute" instructions
02:38 < jimi_hendrix> i did
02:38 < uriel> and?
02:38 -!- JSharpe [n=jamie@5ad1d7f1.bb.sky.com] has joined #go-nuts
02:39 < jimi_hendrix> it does not mention where to send the update
02:39 -!- rndbot [n=bot@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation
timed out)]
02:39 < uriel> well, then post to golang-nuts@ saying that the instructions
are incomplete
02:40 < jimi_hendrix> ok
02:40 < jimi_hendrix> will do that tomorrow
02:40 < jimi_hendrix> i am going to bed
02:40 < uriel> good night then
02:40 < jimi_hendrix> uriel, oh, one last thing
02:41 < jimi_hendrix> how would i make a resizeable array of something that
isnt an int or string
02:41 -!- drusepth`` [n=drusepth@adsl-75-41-186-207.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has
joined #go-nuts
02:42 < uriel> jimi_hendrix: a resizable array?  use slizes
02:43 <+danderson> yes, I am indeed confused
02:43 < jimi_hendrix> ok
02:43 < jimi_hendrix> wait, slices are resizeable?
02:43 <+danderson> and always forget mailing list names, damn gmail
autocomplete stealing my memory
02:43 <+danderson> uriel: thanks for straightening it out.
02:46 -!- JSharpe2 [n=jamie@5ad1d7f1.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: 145
(Connection timed out)]
02:46 < uriel> jimi_hendrix: slices are resizable, that is the whole point
of slizes
02:46 < Ycros> uriel: you can only size them as big as the array they're
fronting
02:46 < uriel> Ycros: obviously
02:47 < Ycros> uriel: I think he wants a vector
02:47 < jimi_hendrix> i do
02:47 < jimi_hendrix> but i can only use those as ints and strings right
02:47 < Ycros> jimi_hendrix: no, you can use the normal vector
02:47 < Ycros> and surround it with casts
02:47 < KragenSitaker> yay :(p
02:47 < Ycros> or use a list - depends on how you're going to use it
02:48 -!- dionysiac [n=dionysia@209.91.107.250] has joined #go-nuts
02:48 < jimi_hendrix> ok, thanks
02:49 -!- gnibbler [n=duckman@124-148-149-72.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read
error: 113 (No route to host)]
02:49 -!- drusepth [n=drusepth@adsl-75-33-217-220.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has
quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
02:49 < uriel> Ycros: why do you tihnk he wants a vector?
02:50 < uriel> if an array slice works, using a vector is silly
02:50 < KragenSitaker> uriel: that's usually what people mean when they say
"resizable array"
02:50 < KragenSitaker> they're talking about something like
OrderedCollection, lists in Perl or Python, or Arrays in JS
02:51 < KragenSitaker> or vectors in the STL
02:51 < KragenSitaker> something you can append a new last item to an
arbitrary number of times, while using a reasonable amount of memory and retaining
O(1) positional access
02:52 -!- drusepth [n=drusepth@adsl-75-41-186-207.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has
joined #go-nuts
02:52 < Ycros> KragenSitaker: I find that I rarely need fast positional
access, so I often use lists
02:52 -!- Gracenotes [n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has quit [Connection timed
out]
02:52 < KragenSitaker> Ycros: it is true, algorithms that actually require
(the STL's term) random-access iterators are fairly rare
02:53 -!- creack [n=creack@ip-67.net-80-236-112.lhaylesroses.rev.numericable.fr]
has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
02:53 -!- jordyd [n=jordyd@99-177-65-75.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net] has
joined #go-nuts
02:53 -!- creack [n=creack@ip-67.net-80-236-112.lhaylesroses.rev.numericable.fr]
has joined #go-nuts
02:53 < KragenSitaker> on the other hand, STL-type vectors are mostly better
than linked lists except when you want to insert and delete in the middle
02:53 < KragenSitaker> performancewise
02:54 < KragenSitaker> and those operations are even rarer than random
access
02:54 -!- Gracenotes [n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has joined #go-nuts
02:55 < sahazel> can the go compiler and runtime be made to not use threads?
02:55 < KragenSitaker> so usually you can be more productive by using
STL-type vectors by default, and linked lists when the performance warrants it
02:55 < JBeshir> KragenSitaker: What about RAM-wise?
02:55 < JBeshir> STL vectors always bothered me because they seem to involve
a great deal of wasted RAM at the ends.
02:55 < sahazel> I'm contemplating Go support for codepad.org, but reliance
on threads would make that hard
02:55 < JBeshir> Well, one end.
02:56 < KragenSitaker> JBeshir: STL-type vectors are a lot more efficient on
memory than linked lists
02:56 < JBeshir> KragenSitaker: With the extra memory allocated in order to
give O(1) accounted for?
02:56 -!- kota1111 [n=kota1111@gw2.kbmj.jp] has joined #go-nuts
02:56 < KragenSitaker> the worst-case wasted-RAM overhead is about a factor
of 2
02:56 < JBeshir> Ew
02:56 < JBeshir> That's pretty terrible.
02:56 -!- drusepth [n=drusepth@adsl-75-41-186-207.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has
quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)]
02:56 < KragenSitaker> a linked list of pointers, on the other hand, needs a
factor of 2 in the best case
02:57 < KragenSitaker> more typically it's a factor of 8
02:57 < JBeshir> No, it needs a factor of 2 in the worse case, in which the
pointers are the only thing in there.
02:57 < JBeshir> The larger your list items, the smaller the overhead.
02:57 < uriel> shasbot: goroutines need to be able to map to threads if they
block
02:57 < JBeshir> Er, pointers and an integer
02:57 < KragenSitaker> yes, if you have larger list items, you have less
overhead
02:57 < JBeshir> I guess it could technically hit 8, but for that, it'd have
to be a linked list of chars
02:57 < JBeshir> And that's pretty improbable.
02:57 < KragenSitaker> no
02:57 < KragenSitaker> if you allocate your linked-list node with malloc
02:58 < KragenSitaker> (which is the usual thing to do)
02:58 < KragenSitaker> malloc has to return maximally-aligned memory, which
is typically 16-byte-aligned
02:58 < uriel> shasbot: I guess that if the code doesn't use any goruotines,
it won't create any new threads, but I don't know..
02:58 -!- drusepth` [n=drusepth@adsl-75-33-217-220.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has
quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
02:58 < KragenSitaker> and it typically stores an allocation header before
the memory it returns
02:58 < uriel> shasbot: how do you deal with threads on other languages?
02:59 < KragenSitaker> of two words, 8 bytes, usually
02:59 -!- lenst [n=user@81-237-244-185-no52.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error:
60 (Operation timed out)]
02:59 < KragenSitaker> so a linked-list node actually costs you 16 bytes on
a 32-bit machine: two words of malloc overhead, one word of payload, and one word
of next-pointer
02:59 < KragenSitaker> except it gets worse
02:59 -!- drusepth`` [n=drusepth@adsl-75-41-186-207.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has
quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
03:00 < KragenSitaker> because some malloc implementations won't put your
data into the same 16-byte region as their own malloc/free headers
03:00 < KragenSitaker> so it actually costs 32 bytes
03:00 < KragenSitaker> most of them, actually, I think
03:01 < KragenSitaker> thus, a linked list of pointers typically costs a
factor of 8 in overhead
03:01 < JBeshir> For one word of payload.
03:01 < KragenSitaker> Right.  That's why I said "of pointers".
03:01 < uriel> sahazel: sorry, my tab completeion was messing me up:
03:01 < uriel> 02:57 < uriel> shasbot: goroutines need to be able to
map to threads if they block
03:01 < uriel> 02:58 < uriel> shasbot: I guess that if the code
doesn't use any goruotines, it won't create any new threads, but I don't
03:01 < uriel> know..
03:01 < KragenSitaker> to get rid of the malloc overhead, you can go to a
custom allocator, if applicable.
03:01 < uriel> ^^^ that was meant for you
03:02 < KragenSitaker> but you can't do that in Go.
03:02 < uriel> sahazel: also see http://gofmt.com/compile.html
03:02 < JBeshir> Yeah, but if you have, say, a 100 byte payload, the
overhead becomes small.
03:02 < JBeshir> While the overhead of a vector remains constant.
03:02 < KragenSitaker> Yes.
03:03 < KragenSitaker> Yes.
03:03 < KragenSitaker> Linked lists of pointers are actually pretty popular,
though.
03:03 < JBeshir> Ew.
03:03 < KragenSitaker> They let you put the same item in multiple lists, for
example.
03:03 -!- drusepth [n=drusepth@adsl-75-41-186-207.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has
joined #go-nuts
03:03 < KragenSitaker> Thus separating the item contained from the container
it's in.
03:03 < KragenSitaker> They're the normal kind of list in Lisp, OCaml, and
Haskell.
03:03 < JBeshir> I suppose that would be needed and more efficient if you
needed midlist removal.
03:03 < JBeshir> If less efficient for simple "resizable array" purposes.
03:04 -!- rrr [i=rrr@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x9230E18F] has quit []
03:04 < KragenSitaker> Right.
03:04 < JBeshir> I wonder how the deques of C++ work.
03:04 < KragenSitaker> They're linked lists of blocks of memory.
03:05 < JBeshir> Yeah, thus avoiding the need to move large amounts when
resizing.
03:05 < KragenSitaker> So there's a big array of payload values, and if it
expands past the bounds of the block, STL allocates another one and links it up.
03:05 < KragenSitaker> Right.
03:05 < KragenSitaker> At the cost of an extra couple of indirections on
every single access.
03:05 < JBeshir> Would they allocate less extra than vectors?
03:05 -!- sferry [n=sam@unaffiliated/samferry] has joined #go-nuts
03:05 < KragenSitaker> I don't have a lot of experience using them, but it
seems like they would.
03:06 < JBeshir> Hmm, interesting sets of pros and cons around the board,
really.
03:07 < KragenSitaker> Typically languages for which external linked lists
are very common use garbage collectors that don't impose a large memory overhead
on them.
03:07 < KragenSitaker> So a list node really only takes two words.
03:07 < KragenSitaker> There's an old trick called "CDR-coding" that isn't
widely used any more, but it can make them even smaller.
03:08 -!- Jan_Flanders [n=chatzill@d54C1E33B.access.telenet.be] has quit
["Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.18/2009082513]"]
03:08 < me___> KragenSitaker: onoz.  don't bring that up.  :)
03:08 < KragenSitaker> me___: heh, not a fan of CDR-coding?
03:08 < me___> i've used it on a 6808, so no.
03:09 < KragenSitaker> hahahaha
03:09 < KragenSitaker> did you at least get a paper out of it?
03:09 < me___> haha no.  why?
03:09 -!- Fl1pFl0p [n=FlipFlop@ip68-8-225-187.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts
03:09 < KragenSitaker> I'm trying to figure out what else would justify
doing that :)
03:10 -!- engla [n=ulrik@wikipedia/Sverdrup] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection
timed out)]
03:11 < me___> i don't remember too well any more...
03:11 < KragenSitaker> hahahaha
03:11 < KragenSitaker> <me___> i was very drunk at the time, you
see...
03:11 < me___> :D
03:14 -!- jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has quit ["Ciao"]
03:19 -!- decriptor [n=decripto@174.23.163.211] has joined #go-nuts
03:19 -!- xuser [n=xuser@unaffiliated/xuser] has joined #go-nuts
03:21 -!- xuser [n=xuser@unaffiliated/xuser] has left #go-nuts []
03:21 < uriel> hey me___, whats up?
03:22 < me___> not too much, you?
03:23 < uriel> not much either :)
03:23 < uriel> trying to clean up around a bit, lets see if I can sit down
for some real hacking this weekend
03:25 -!- leitz [n=leam@72.150.95.31] has joined #go-nuts
03:25 -!- Jacolyte [n=blaine@unaffiliated/jacolyte] has joined #go-nuts
03:25 -!- Fl1pFl0p [n=FlipFlop@ip68-8-225-187.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Client
Quit]
03:25 < leitz> Any opinions on how many people are or might turn to Go for
their first programming language?
03:26 -!- e1f` [n=user@141.117.1.154] has joined #go-nuts
03:26 < uriel> how many programmers are there in the world?
03:26 < uriel> I don't think anyone has a clue
03:26 < uriel> I know I quite probably will
03:26 < leitz> Or, more broadly, how many are not high end C/Java/??
programmers, but newbies.
03:27 < uriel> I think the probability of somebody that doesn't at least
know some C to pick up Go are slim
03:27 < mkanat> leitz: I wouldn't imagine newbies are using a new language.
03:27 < uriel> not zero, but it would have to be somebody quite bright
03:28 < JBeshir> Go would make a good first language.
03:28 < s_mosher> uriel, to me go seems simpler to learn than C
03:28 < mkanat> Yeah, for sure.
03:28 < JBeshir> It's relatively close to the hardware; its abstractions are
clear and comprehensible, and separated.
03:28 < leitz> mkanat, I don't know.  Go has a lot of potential and for a
newbie the newness of the language might not bother them.  They (we) don't hit the
developing stuff as quickly as an experienced coder might.
03:28 < uriel> mkanat: well, I have a good friend, that is quite damned good
hacker, that learned to use computers while studing to become a lawyer, and the
first OS he used was plan9!
03:28 < mkanat> So maybe in a few years you'll see a lot of newbies using
it.
03:29 < mkanat> uriel: Ha! That is pretty interesting.  :-)
03:29 < uriel> s_mosher: go is simpler to learn than C
03:29 < JBeshir> Its concepts are separated, so it's easy to learn about the
ideas behind interfaces separate to other stuff.
03:29 < uriel> mkanat: plan9 people are all quite weird though :))
03:29 < mkanat> uriel: Hahaha.  I have to admit I haven't ever used it or
met any.
03:29 < JBeshir> And its very type safe and has no exceptions, so it's easy
to produce code that works right.
03:29 < JBeshir> And works reliably.
03:29 -!- middayc_ [n=chatzill@BSN-176-210-184.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has quit
["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]"]
03:29 < s_mosher> uriel, ok...  not sure how to interpret your comment then.
(I do think people *should* be learning C first though.)
03:30 < uriel> I think my point is that most people smarter enough and with
the right taste to write Go, probably have learned C already
03:30 < mkanat> s_mosher: Mmmm, I suspect that people could learn well
enough with a Go class and an assembler class.
03:30 < s_mosher> ah
03:30 < uriel> but then, I guess there are tons of really horrible C
programmers out there, which would benefit form using go
03:30 < uriel> (as would java programmers)
03:30 < uriel> but most such people have no clue what they are doing
03:30 < mkanat> uriel: Yes.
03:30 < s_mosher> mkanat, that would be fine too
03:31 < leitz> JBeshir, do you think there's a large enough percentage of
newbies or potentials to develop more of the tutorial type stuff?
03:31 < uriel> maybe somebody should write a book about Go as a first
programming language...
03:31 < mkanat> leitz: I think that's an "if you build it they will come"
sort of thing.
03:31 < uriel> leitz: at the moment, unlikely, the libraries and the
implementation and everything needs to mature a bit
03:31 < uriel> but then, a smart kid can pick up anything
03:31 < uriel> without any 'newb-oriented tutorial'
03:32 < JBeshir> leitz: I think that needs time.
03:32 < KragenSitaker> leitz: nobody should be turning to Go for their first
programming language yet.
03:32 < leitz> uriel, us dumb guys can pick up stuff too, it just takes
longer...  :)
03:32 < uriel> leitz: I'm not so sure
03:32 < uriel> leitz: most people never learn to do anything well
03:32 < sladegen> everyone should learn scheme first!
03:32 < uriel> sladegen: I wont completely disagree with that
03:32 < JBeshir> Go is slightly more bad coder tolerant, if not more bad
coder friendly.
03:32 < KragenSitaker> because it's missing libraries and tutorials and
example code
03:32 -!- travisbrady [n=tbrady@67-207-96-194.static.wiline.com] has quit []
03:32 < leitz> Okay, I'm confused.  YOu guys just gave several great reasons
Go should be a first language.  Why the switch?
03:33 < JBeshir> In that its type safety makes bad code look bad pretty
easily.
03:33 < uriel> sladegen: scheme+c is a very good way to learn to program
03:33 * sladegen nods.
03:33 < uriel> leitz: it depends on the person
03:33 -!- Metaphorically [n=chatzill@206-248-157-156.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined
#go-nuts
03:33 < JBeshir> Go would be a good language to learn, less sure of first.
03:33 < JBeshir> First language needs to be something they can get the whole
idea of "instructing the machine" in their heads with.
03:33 < KragenSitaker> and things like the compiler's error messages aren't
very friendly
03:34 < s_mosher> "now is a bad time to learn Go as a first language" - I
think most people here would agree to that
03:34 < KragenSitaker> and there's no REPL
03:34 < sladegen> though i could use a bit of assembly or some
bytecodization.
03:34 < uriel> KragenSitaker: there is the bot in #go-run ;)
03:34 < KragenSitaker> uriel: heh
03:34 < KragenSitaker> uriel: social REPL is interesting
03:35 < KragenSitaker> how stateful is the bot?
03:35 < uriel> s_mosher: well, I think everyone can agree it will get easier
with time, but there is no intrinsic dificulty, other than it might require more
effort and one might run into more toruble
03:35 < uriel> KragenSitaker: I think it is stateless :(
03:35 < sladegen> like HTTP
03:35 < uriel> sladegen: haha
03:35 < leitz> JBeshir, I'm not sure.  Back in the day, C and ASM were a
good challenge, though schools taught Pascal and Basic.  Now, with so many folks
unused to non-GUI driven computers are there enough layers between person and
hardware that an intermediate language would be useful?
03:36 < JBeshir> leitz: It's more that the concepts that're being taught are
different, and higher level, I think.
03:36 -!- ednos [n=Miranda@c-75-69-44-39.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts
03:36 < sladegen> go wants to compress that level and in this way it may be
good first language.
03:37 < s_mosher> uriel, I'm just thinking that the payoff is questionable.
it will be who knows how long before it's production ready, and there are a good
number of bugs and omissions in the compiler and runtime, not to mention immature
library support
03:37 < leitz> s_mosher, are you talking Java or Go? :)
03:37 < ednos> Anyone know why after a fresh install (for a fresh Go user)
all compiles "can't find imports"?
03:37 -!- loureiro [n=loureiro@201008207197.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Read
error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
03:37 <+iant> ednos: usually means that GOROOT is not right
03:37 < uriel> s_mosher: sure, but I remember back when people learned asm
on some crap computer as their first language, and they managed just fine
03:37 < ednos> goroot should point to the place I put the repository, right?
03:38 <+iant> ednos: right
03:38 < ednos> hmmm
03:38 <+iant> check GOARCH and GOOS as well
03:38 < s_mosher> leitz, Go.
03:38 < sahazel> uriel: do you know who runs gofmt?  that looks like a good
start.
03:38 < leitz> s_mosher, I know.  Late night humor before I konk out...
03:38 < uriel> sahazel: no clue
03:38 < uriel> sorry
03:39 < sahazel> cool
03:39 < sahazel> thanks anyway
03:39 -!- aanderse
[n=aanderse@CPE001b11cc67d3-CM0019475d7f5e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit
[Remote closed the connection]
03:39 -!- turutosiya [n=turutosi@219.106.251.65] has quit [Read error: 110
(Connection timed out)]
03:39 < ednos> iant: ah, thanks, sorry for the stupid question
03:40 < ednos> works now
03:40 < uriel> sahazel: Gracenotes wrote rndbot which might have similar
issues
03:40 -!- zhaozhou [n=zhaozhou@linfast76.bitnet.nu] has quit [Read error: 110
(Connection timed out)]
03:41 * leitz totters off to think on the newbie issue some more and catch some
sleep before work.
03:41 < sladegen> whois goftm.com reports someone in china...
03:41 -!- leitz [n=leam@72.150.95.31] has quit ["Leaving."]
03:42 -!- binaryjohn [n=binaryjo@cpe-24-30-132-50.san.res.rr.com] has joined
#go-nuts
03:42 < Gracenotes> eek
03:43 -!- mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has
quit [Remote closed the connection]
03:43 -!- Metaphorically_ [n=chatzill@206-248-157-156.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined
#go-nuts
03:43 < Gracenotes> my ssh shut off :/
03:43 < KragenSitaker> uriel: very few people learned to program back when
people learned asm on some crap computer as their first language
03:43 < KragenSitaker> most people jsut gave up
03:43 < sladegen> bah, typo ;)
03:44 < Gracenotes> actually, the VPS service shut it off, being dynamic
hosting
03:44 -!- rndbot [n=bot@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has joined #go-nuts
03:44 -!- smooge [n=smooge@int.smoogespace.com] has quit ["-ENOBRAIN"]
03:44 < uriel> KragenSitaker: most people didn't try
03:44 < Gracenotes> REPLs are very nice, but they tend to need some kind of
bytecode.  or at least bytecode-esque assembly, yeah
03:45 < KragenSitaker> uriel: that's true too
03:45 < uriel> Gracenotes: I guess you noticed the go interpreter included
in the distribution...
03:45 < sladegen> or hardware went out of style.
03:45 < KragenSitaker> Gracenotes: really?  why?
03:45 < KragenSitaker> Gracenotes: SBCL seems to get by okay, and I don't
think its code generation is particularly bytecode-esque
03:45 -!- Metaphorically__ [n=chatzill@206-248-157-156.dsl.teksavvy.com] has
joined #go-nuts
03:46 < KragenSitaker> fix-and-continue benefits a lot from interpretation,
but you don't need fix-and-continue for a REPL
03:46 < KragenSitaker> although it sure helps beginners!
03:46 < Gracenotes> uriel: I did, forgot about that.  does it interpret just
the source tree, or keep some intermediate interpretation?
03:47 < Gracenotes> if the former, that's not exactly acceptable in terms of
performance, and if the latter, that's a very short step away from bytecode
03:47 < poe> what are text editors with proper go interaction at the moment?
is there anything for xcode?
03:47 < uriel> Gracenotes: I have no clue, didn't look at the code, just
noticed that it is there
03:47 -!- Rob_Russell [n=chatzill@206-248-157-156.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Read
error: 113 (No route to host)]
03:47 < uriel> poe: misc/xcode/
03:47 < uriel> poe: and see http://go-lang.cat-v.org/text-editors/
03:48 < sladegen> Gracenotes: what KragenSitaker meant to state is that SBCL
is compiling to machine code, not sure but it may even do it at the REPL.
03:48 < poe> uriel thanks for the pointers.
03:48 < Gracenotes> KragenSitaker: the bytecode would be only for the REPL
03:48 < uriel> poe: no problem
03:48 < Gracenotes> since it wouldn't be a very useful REPL if it didn't
provide some kind of introspective information.  at least imho
03:49 < sladegen> Common Lisp has compile as a function in its spec.
03:49 -!- tanamo [n=tanamo@125.252.70.230] has joined #go-nuts
03:52 -!- evilhackerdude [n=stephan@e181126179.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read
error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
03:54 -!- fhs [n=fhs@pool-72-89-203-117.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined
#go-nuts
03:57 < golangguru> i started forum 2 days ago www.golangtalk.com
03:59 -!- Metaphorically [n=chatzill@206-248-157-156.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit
[Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
03:59 < uriel> golangguru: I 'm not sure I see the point, there is already
http://reddit.com/r/golang/ and it has not been overwhelmed with activity so far
04:00 -!- Omei [n=chatzill@99-178-130-115.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has
joined #go-nuts
04:01 -!- Metaphorically_ [n=chatzill@206-248-157-156.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit
[Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
04:01 < golangguru> uriel: oh i don't know that.
04:02 -!- Perberos [n=Perberos@190.49.17.162] has quit ["Ex-Chat"]
04:03 -!- wobsite [n=wobsite_@68-189-250-56.static.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined
#go-nuts
04:05 -!- path_ [n=path@115.240.53.74] has joined #go-nuts
04:05 -!- Perberos [n=Perberos@190.49.17.162] has joined #go-nuts
04:06 < Ycros> um, plus we have a mailing list
04:07 < golangguru> Ycros: ya but topics were not categorized in mailing
list
04:08 -!- decriptor [n=decripto@174.23.163.211] has quit [Read error: 145
(Connection timed out)]
04:09 < Ycros> golangguru: I don't find that a problem
04:09 < Ycros> besides, everyone's already on the mailing list
04:10 < golangguru> Ycros: i think, it becomes problem after hundreds of
posts
04:11 < golangguru> Ycros: Anyhow, i will wait for an activity.  can you plz
contribute?
04:13 -!- tile [n=Tyler@cpe-76-181-87-63.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts
04:13 -!- Associat0r [n=Associat@h163153.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit []
04:13 -!- halfdan [n=halfdan@p57A94308.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts
04:13 -!- tile [n=Tyler@cpe-76-181-87-63.columbus.res.rr.com] has left #go-nuts
["Leaving"]
04:14 -!- skyfive [n=skyfive@h-74-1-186-114.snfccasy.static.covad.net] has quit
[Remote closed the connection]
04:14 -!- sliceofpi [n=Adium@c-98-201-183-147.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined
#go-nuts
04:16 -!- hipe [n=hipe@69.193.196.185] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
04:17 -!- mat_ [n=mat@mx3.absolight.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection
reset by peer)]
04:17 -!- mat_ [n=mat@mx3.absolight.net] has joined #go-nuts
04:19 -!- jordyd [n=jordyd@99-177-65-75.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit
[Remote closed the connection]
04:19 -!- binaryjohn [n=binaryjo@cpe-24-30-132-50.san.res.rr.com] has quit []
04:20 -!- hallidave
[n=hallidav@CPE001ff3406248-CM0018680dd678.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit []
04:23 -!- Gynvael [n=gynvael@static-87-105-185-61.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined
#go-nuts
04:23 -!- GynDream [n=gynvael@static-87-105-185-61.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit
[Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
04:23 -!- sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [Nick collision from
services.]
04:24 -!- sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #go-nuts
04:26 -!- cpr420 [n=cpr@67.165.199.143] has joined #go-nuts
04:27 -!- wobsite [n=wobsite_@68-189-250-56.static.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit
["Leaving"]
04:32 -!- SRabbelier [n=SRabbeli@ip138-114-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has
quit ["Leaving."]
04:32 < Gracenotes> oh, phew, Chromium OS is Linux-based.  was worried there
for a second.
04:33 -!- rhelmer [n=rhelmer@adsl-69-107-65-242.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit
[]
04:33 -!- halfdan_ [n=halfdan@p57A9434B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error:
110 (Connection timed out)]
04:34 -!- rrr [i=rrr@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x9230E18F] has joined #go-nuts
04:34 < Ycros> worried about what
04:34 < quag> anyone tried Chromium?
04:34 < quag> Gracenotes: Linux like Android is Linux?  :)
04:35 * alexsuraci just pushed some subtle updates to gopaste
04:37 < alexsuraci> mostly with how invalid pastes are handled
04:37 -!- binaryjohn [n=binaryjo@cpe-24-30-132-50.san.res.rr.com] has joined
#go-nuts
04:37 < alexsuraci> it'll now auto-wrap func main() { ...  } if the initial
parse fails, e.g.  for snippets of pasted code
04:37 < alexsuraci> and if a parse fails it'll just display the raw content
rather than an empty page
04:39 < uriel> alexsuraci: cool
04:40 < uriel> alexsuraci: you should have some way to enter non-go-code
pastes..
04:40 < alexsuraci> uriel: i disagree, there are plenty of those already
04:40 < alexsuraci> i'd rather just keep it specialized
04:41 -!- Adys [n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys] has joined #go-nuts
04:42 < uriel> heh, ok, maybe you are right :)
04:42 < uriel> it is just convenient to paste raw output some times
04:42 < uriel> and having to remember another pastebin is a pain ;P
04:43 < alexsuraci> you can do that as long as it's not also valid go :P
04:43 < alexsuraci> http://gopaste.org/HVFdT
04:43 < alexsuraci> http://gopaste.org/Oq86I
04:44 < uriel> hehe
04:44 < alexsuraci> which I don't mind
04:44 -!- kozak [n=kozak@122.166.48.72] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection
timed out)]
04:44 -!- twymer_ [n=tyler@cpe-76-181-87-63.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined
#go-nuts
04:45 < uriel> alexsuraci: btw, there is a bug in the [raw] link, seems to
miss the first line
04:45 < uriel> or maybe it is a feature...
04:45 < alexsuraci> the margin from the top and right?
04:45 -!- Metaphorically [n=chatzill@206-248-157-156.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined
#go-nuts
04:46 -!- binaryjohn_ [n=binaryjo@cpe-24-30-132-50.san.res.rr.com] has joined
#go-nuts
04:46 -!- binaryjohn [n=binaryjo@cpe-24-30-132-50.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Read
error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
04:47 -!- sm [n=sm@cpe-76-173-194-242.socal.res.rr.com] has quit []
04:47 -!- Perberos [n=Perberos@190.49.17.162] has quit [Success]
04:47 -!- cpr420 [n=cpr@67.165.199.143] has left #go-nuts ["Ex-Chat"]
04:47 -!- decriptor [n=decripto@53.250.sfcn.org] has joined #go-nuts
04:48 < sladegen> wacky "A compiler may not optimize code under the
assumption that overflow does not occur.  For instance, it may not assume that x
< x + 1 is always true."
04:48 <+iant> sladegen: gcc makes that assumption at -O2 for C/C++
04:48 <+iant> but not for Java, because the Java language spec forbids it
04:49 <+iant> and not for Go for the same reason
04:49 < me___> it's caused entertainment for all at times.
04:49 -!- Perberos [n=Perberos@190.49.59.18] has joined #go-nuts
04:49 -!- apeace [n=apeace@c-24-61-22-9.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts
04:50 -!- Gracenotes [n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has quit [Connection timed
out]
04:51 < Amaranth> whee overflow
04:52 -!- Gracenotes [n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has joined #go-nuts
04:53 -!- Gracenotes [n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has quit [Remote closed the
connection]
04:53 < directrixx> sladegen: That
04:53 -!- jdp [n=justin@ool-435238c0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #go-nuts
04:53 < directrixx> 's because of IEEE floating point
04:53 -!- shdw [n=alvaro@143.Red-83-61-110.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit
[Remote closed the connection]
04:54 -!- Metaphorically [n=chatzill@206-248-157-156.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit
["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]"]
04:54 -!- skyfive [n=skyfive@adsl-69-106-230-209.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has
joined #go-nuts
04:54 < apeace> hey anyone down to answer a probably very simple question?
04:54 -!- skyfive [n=skyfive@adsl-69-106-230-209.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit
[Remote closed the connection]
04:54 < directrixx> apeace: shoot
04:54 < jdp> i'll give it a shot
04:55 -!- skyfive [n=skyfive@adsl-69-106-230-209.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has
joined #go-nuts
04:55 < apeace> so i'm learning Go and i'm not a C++ programmer, and I wrote
this program: http://www.andrewpeace.com/euler/3/go/euler3.go
04:55 < apeace> and i'm wondering if there's an alternative to my append
function (which was taken from the Effective Go article on golang.org)
04:55 -!- skyfive [n=skyfive@adsl-69-106-230-209.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit
[Remote closed the connection]
04:55 -!- Gracenotes [n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has joined #go-nuts
04:56 -!- skyfive [n=skyfive@adsl-69-106-230-209.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has
joined #go-nuts
04:56 -!- skyfive [n=skyfive@adsl-69-106-230-209.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit
[Remote closed the connection]
04:57 < jdp> that's pretty idiomatic i think
04:57 < apeace> truly?  there's not a built-in way to append arrays?
04:57 -!- skyfive [n=skyfive@adsl-69-106-230-209.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has
joined #go-nuts
04:57 < Eridius> Dhaia/m
04:57 < jdp> i know the bytes package has a function that does exactly that,
where it concatenates two byte slices
04:57 < apeace> or slices, i mean :p
04:58 < jdp> but with int64 i guess that's the way to go
04:58 < apeace> huh.  so, another new question:
04:58 < apeace> since there aren't generic types in Go, would i have to
redefine append for every type?
04:59 < jessta> apeace: either that or convert between your type and byte[]
04:59 -!- Rob_Russell [n=chatzill@206-248-157-156.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Read
error: 113 (No route to host)]
04:59 <+iant> apeace: unfortunately, yes, but you may want to look at
container/vector
05:00 < Ycros> apeace: once (I'm hoping it's a when and not an if) we get
generics, all that pain will go away
05:00 < apeace> i see.  jessta: in a very general sense, what would that
look like?  iant: cool, i will check it out now
05:00 < apeace> ycros: are you one of the Go developers?
05:01 < Ycros> apeace: no
05:01 -!- Gracenotes [n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has quit [Remote closed the
connection]
05:01 < apeace> ycros: ahh.  was just wondering because of the "we" :p
05:01 < Ycros> apeace: I'm a user of the language :P
05:02 < apeace> ycros: are you loving it so far?  personally i
05:02 < apeace> *personally i'm a fan of the language concept, but it
worries me that this program is the longest of my Euler3 solutions :p
05:02 < Ycros> I think it's the right balance of simplicity and power.  It
has closures and built-in CSP is fantastic.
05:03 -!- Gracenotes [n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has joined #go-nuts
05:03 < Ycros> I'd really really really like to see generics as well
05:03 < apeace> agreed
05:03 -!- rbohn_ [n=rbohn@d103.digis.net] has joined #go-nuts
05:03 < Ycros> that's a big pain point for me at the moment.  Not-null
pointers by default would be awesome as well.
05:03 < apeace> when you say it has closures...does that also mean
first-order functions???
05:03 < apeace> or just anonymous functions
05:04 < sladegen> both
05:04 < Ycros> foo(func() { blah() })
05:04 < Ycros> yeah
05:04 < apeace> oh wow.  i was not aware of that
05:04 < apeace> i have a bit of a background in scheme and python
05:04 < Ycros> so that should allow for the creation of some nice APIs
05:04 < apeace> so that's great for me :D
05:05 < sladegen> hip hip hooray!
05:05 < Ycros> channels and goroutines are fantastic.  I like the way that
iterators in go use them.
05:06 < apeace> yes yes yes.  agreed
05:06 -!- jaush [n=j@h192.103.141.67.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined
#go-nuts
05:06 < sladegen> it would be really cool if generics were introduced as
macros on s-expression AST.
05:07 < sladegen> one can dream.
05:07 < Ycros> I'm indifferent as to whether exceptions will get implemented
or not
05:07 < Ycros> I can see interesting problems with exceptions and goroutines
05:08 < mkanat> Ycros: They would have to be goroutine-local, like they're
thread-local in Python.
05:08 < Ycros> yeah
05:08 < Ycros> I think Erlang has the right approach to errors though
05:08 < mkanat> I think exceptions got a bad name from Java's checked
exceptions.
05:08 < mkanat> Ycros: Oh, what does Erlang do?
05:08 < s_mosher> Ycros, I was just going to mention erlang
05:08 -!- jaush [n=j@h192.103.141.67.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Client
Quit]
05:09 < s_mosher> mkanat, you link processes explicitly
05:09 < Ycros> yeah, you can link processes
05:09 < apeace> i'm not a huge fan of exceptions.  i think i agree with what
the golang.org site says about their tendency to end up determining the design of
code
05:09 < Ycros> so a process can get notified if another process blows up
05:09 < Ycros> so you end up with worker processes, and supervisor processes
05:09 < s_mosher> and 'exceptions' spread through them if unhandled
05:09 < Ycros> yeah.
05:09 < s_mosher> the problem is it kind of relies on a message receiving
paradigm
05:09 < Ycros> if exceptions were to be implemented, I'd like to see that
sort of behaviour
05:09 < s_mosher> so...  link channels?
05:10 < sladegen> goto exception considered harmful...
05:10 < Ycros> s_mosher: you could make the go keyword return a goroutine
object - like erlang's pid
05:10 < Ycros> apeace: any sort of error handling determines the design of
the code
05:11 -!- armence [n=armence@c-67-188-229-128.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit
["Leaving"]
05:11 < Ycros> apeace: I think exceptions can lead to cleaner designs than
explicit errors - you can already see some bad examples in go code littered with
explicit error code checks
05:11 < mkanat> Ycros: Also, you'll find as Go expands that code will become
littered with people who don't check for errors.
05:11 -!- Gracenotes [n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has quit ["Leaving"]
05:12 < Ycros> mkanat: that has already happened - there was a mailing list
thread where people were pulling examples out of the standard library
05:12 * mkanat nods.
05:12 < apeace> ycros: interesting point.  i don't think i have as much
experience as you guys, but the reason i am against exceptions is because i just
worked eight months in a java development position and i have to say i am SICK of
writing try { ...  } catch (crap) { ...  } finally {...  }
05:12 < apeace> :p
05:12 < Ycros> I'd rather have top level exception handlers that can catch
shit, and restart subsystems in my running program if something uncaught bubbles
up
05:12 < Ycros> and it should email me about it
05:12 < mkanat> Ycros: For example, in Perl (which doesn't have exceptions,
among some other issues), it's a famous fact that people forget to check the
return value of open().
05:12 < Ycros> it should not pass silently
05:12 < Amaranth> mkanat: pfft, open always works
05:13 < s_mosher> you know
05:13 < mkanat> Amaranth: :-D
05:13 < Amaranth> mkanat: User error, bug closed
05:13 < Ycros> apeace: I worked for 2.5 years as a C# developer, and I
didn't mind it at all
05:13 < sladegen> yeah except you rarely really know how to handle
exception, especially with global state anyway.
05:13 < Amaranth> (one of my problems fails at this very thing)
05:13 < s_mosher> I'd be happy with link channels, with a special syntax
that invokes erlangish behavior
05:13 < Amaranth> (and it's shipped with GNOME :/)
05:13 < mkanat> apeace: I think the problem there is checked exceptions.
05:13 < mkanat> apeace: That Java stupidly *forces* you do try/catch on some
things.
05:13 < Ycros> apeace: checked exceptions in java can be annoying though
05:13 < s_mosher> if the caller terminates the children do too, and the
caller can choose to handle stuff
05:14 < mkanat> apeace: When sometimes you just simply want the program to
die in flames if there's an exception.
05:14 < jessta> mkanat: instead of crashing your program because you forgot
to catch an pointless exception?
05:14 < Ycros> s_mosher: yeah, you know what - I said I was indifferent to
exceptions, but during this conversation I'm becoming more convinced that the
current error system is unworkable
05:14 < apeace> okay, i see what you guys are saying
05:14 < mkanat> jessta: Right.
05:14 < jessta> if you're going to have exceptions they should be checked
05:14 < mkanat> jessta: No, not necessarily.
05:14 < Ycros> jessta: you're not going to crash a program because you
forgot to check an exception somewhere
05:15 < Ycros> jessta: you'd have top-level catch-all handlers in strategic
points (ie.  a per-request handler)
05:15 < Amaranth> Does java allow a "if any kind of exception happens" kind
of thing?
05:15 < s_mosher> Ycros, I'm kind of opposed to "exceptions" in just about
any incarnation that goes by that name
05:15 < Ycros> so if some tiny part fails, you will know about it, and the
rest of your app keeps going
05:15 < mkanat> Amaranth: If you wanted to wrap your whole program in a try
block.
05:15 < s_mosher> but the erlang style stuff is pretty wonderful
05:15 < Amaranth> So instead of checking for UserIsStupid and
ComputerIsBroken you can just do a plain try {}
05:15 < Amaranth> mkanat: yeah screw that
05:15 < jessta> Ycros: yeah, you can do that with checked exceptions
05:15 < Ycros> s_mosher: right, but the erlang style stuff is pretty
exception-like
05:16 < Ycros> jessta: sure, you can just keep explicitly throwing.  It's
just annoying
05:16 < s_mosher> true, but it lacks the boilerplate problem
05:16 < Ycros> jessta: having done both C# and Java in the past, I can say I
much preferred the unchecked exceptions of C#
05:16 < s_mosher> and fires only happen where you explicitly permit it
05:16 -!- travisbrady [n=tbrady@98.210.155.175] has joined #go-nuts
05:16 < Amaranth> If you want the compiler to catch every error you can
possible make use Ada :)
05:17 < mkanat> I've never had a problem with the exceptions system in
Python, for example.  But of course, that's a dynamic language, so implementation
is very different.
05:17 < Amaranth> s/possible/possibly/
05:17 < JBeshir> You know
05:17 < Ycros> s_mosher: I guess isolating error handling to its own
goroutine which monitors other goroutines is neat
05:17 < jessta> I've done java and erlang, I much prefer checked exceptions
to uncheckd exceptions.  Then again, I don't like exceptions are all
05:17 < s_mosher> plus erlang's paradigm is good for folding back to a
stable state and recreating everything from there
05:17 < Ycros> s_mosher: I don't know, this requires a lot of thought
05:17 < JBeshir> Go could implement a shorthand way of saying "pass this
error value back up.
05:17 < JBeshir> Even with checks.
05:17 < Ycros> s_mosher: I'd love to try out some of these ideas in Go,
since it's supposed to be an experimental language
05:18 < Ycros> s_mosher: it's the folding back to a state state I want
05:18 < JBeshir> Maybe making the explicit checks shorter and less noisy
would be a better focus for work than exceptions.
05:18 < mkanat> I'm guessing the implementation complexity derives from
retaining the stack.
05:18 < s_mosher> yeah
05:18 -!- apeace [n=apeace@c-24-61-22-9.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #go-nuts []
05:18 < Ycros> JBeshir: that's another option, yep
05:18 < jessta> Ycros: exceptions confined to goroutines also cause
problems, as channels aren't like erlang's message parsing
05:18 -!- hipe [n=hipe@pool-74-108-181-155.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined
#go-nuts
05:18 < JBeshir> "pass err"?
05:19 < Ycros> s_mosher: anyway, if you could grab a handle to a goroutine -
you could do things like kill goroutines externally (ie.  if it's run-away or in
an infinite loop or something)
05:19 < JBeshir> foo, pass err = EvilFunction()
05:19 < Ycros> s_mosher: maybe.
05:19 < JBeshir> Er, :=
05:19 < JBeshir> Well, doesn't matter.
05:19 < Ycros> jessta: yes, I know
05:19 < JBeshir> Maybe it'd need to pass pass too.  Or something.
05:19 -!- cryptobeacon [n=irvin@unaffiliated/cryptobeacon] has joined #go-nuts
05:19 < jessta> goroutines also aren't like erlang's processes
05:19 < s_mosher> Ycros, I'm tempted to simulate it and see how well it goes
05:19 < s_mosher> the problem is all the clutter
05:20 < Ycros> jessta: that doesn't mean such a system can't be implemented
in Go
05:20 < JBeshir> or a short "handle err { return 0, err }" thing after a
call.
05:20 < Ycros> jessta: but I don't think what we have now is a good solution
05:20 < JBeshir> I don't know, there's probably an actually Go-like syntax.
05:20 < Ycros> JBeshir: maybe
05:20 < JBeshir> Have any of the people who actually know what they're
talking about proposed any?
05:20 -!- codemac [n=codemac@archlinux/developer/codemac] has quit [Remote closed
the connection]
05:21 < Ycros> JBeshir: who knows what they're talking about?  :P
05:21 < Amaranth> jessta: If launching a goroutine returned a channel that
would notify you of the goroutine exiting that could be used
05:21 < JBeshir> Ycros: Well, mailing list, IRC, website, presumably.
05:21 -!- islands [n=islands@unaffiliated/inda50] has quit [Remote closed the
connection]
05:21 < mkanat> JBeshir: golang mentions that there have been several
proposals.
05:21 < Ycros> exceptions haven't been ruled out yet, so, we can think about
them
05:21 -!- codemac [n=codemac@archlinux/developer/codemac] has joined #go-nuts
05:22 < Ycros> mkanat: I'd like to see them and see why they were rejected
05:22 < JBeshir> You know, it isn't all that long as is.
05:22 < Amaranth> jessta: http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=217
05:22 < JBeshir> if err != nil { return 0, err }
05:22 < JBeshir> Right after a call.
05:22 -!- mat__ [n=mat@mx3.absolight.net] has joined #go-nuts
05:22 -!- dobre_zlo [i=unixwiza@k-lined.info] has quit [Read error: 104
(Connection reset by peer)]
05:22 -!- dobre_zlo [i=unixwiza@k-lined.info] has joined #go-nuts
05:22 < JBeshir> You want to do 'catching', you have your checks, then
return 0, err if 'uncaught'.
05:23 -!- alex1 [n=alex@unaffiliated/a1g] has joined #go-nuts
05:23 < JBeshir> The only useful thing I can think of is to have a single
check block for a function.
05:23 < Ycros> JBeshir: it gets unwieldy very fast if you have a lot of
calls
05:23 < JBeshir> Ycros: For that reason.
05:25 -!- dionysiac [n=dionysia@209.91.107.250] has quit []
05:25 < jessta> Amaranth: that looks good, I'd be all for that, an os.Error
chan, returns nil on exit or an error on error
05:26 -!- Null-A [n=jason@c-76-21-4-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts
05:26 < Amaranth> Then you just need some way to make sure goroutines don't
bring down the whole program :)
05:26 < jessta> they can't
05:26 < sladegen> one can always write programs like that func(err){ ...
}(submain())
05:27 -!- Guest14331 [n=kill-9@cpe-65-24-145-70.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit
[Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
05:27 < jessta> nil pointers in go aren't NULL, so they are caught by the
runtime
05:27 -!- codemac [n=codemac@archlinux/developer/codemac] has quit [Remote closed
the connection]
05:28 -!- codemac [n=codemac@archlinux/developer/codemac] has joined #go-nuts
05:28 < mkanat> The general problem that I want to solve with exceptions is:
Large system.  Error happens very deep in the system, but very high up in the
system wants to decide what to do about it.
05:28 < Null-A> is gccgo feature complete?
05:29 < Ycros> mkanat: exactly.
05:29 -!- rndbot [n=bot@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has quit [Remote closed the
connection]
05:29 <+iant> Null-A: gccgo is feature complete to the extent that the Go
language is feature complete
05:29 <+iant> Null-A: except that gccgo does not do any garbage collection
05:30 < rbohn_> nil pointers caught by runtime?
05:30 < Null-A> So memory never deallocates?
05:30 <+iant> Null-A: right
05:30 < mkanat> Any solution that provides me that functionality would be an
acceptable solution.
05:30 < mkanat> To me, I don't need to know the stack of the exception when
I catch it.
05:30 < mkanat> I only care about the stack when it makes the runtime die.
05:30 -!- turutosiya [n=turutosi@219.106.251.65] has joined #go-nuts
05:31 < Null-A> iant: i'm really anxious to see some benchmarks for gccgo,
6g on the 'benchmarks game' isn't very mature
05:31 < sladegen> mkanat: you can pass a top leve channels to submain and
thread it throut your program and gave one goroutine guarding it.
05:31 <+iant> Null-A: there are some benchmarks for gccgo in
test/bench/timing.log
05:31 < mkanat> Well, one wouldn't expect maturity.  It's AMAZING that Go is
as far along as it is, with this much time.
05:31 < sladegen> s/gave/have/
05:31 < mkanat> sladegen: True, but of course that requires passing along
the channel always.  But if it was stored somewhere globally, I could use that for
error message passing.
05:32 < mkanat> sladegen: There could also be a standard library that
provided such a channel.
05:32 < Ycros> sladegen: whenever someone says "thread this throughout your
code" I cringe
05:32 -!- alex1 [n=alex@unaffiliated/a1g] has quit [SendQ exceeded]
05:32 < Null-A> iant: I'm trying to compare is to C or C++, i'll check it
out
05:32 -!- timmcd [n=Adium@97-117-100-106.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #go-nuts
05:32 < mkanat> sladegen: The problem then being, to some degree,
concurrency of exceptions, right?
05:32 < sladegen> Ycros: heh, yeah...  it's easier done with macros...
05:32 < timmcd> Hello everybody!  (Hello Dr. Nic!)
05:32 < Ycros> sladegen: sure :)
05:32 < Ycros> sladegen: or monads in Haskell!
05:33 < jessta> rbohn_: yeah, notice how go programs don't segfault like c
programs?
05:33 < sladegen> oh Haskel is a mystery to me, it's like academic perl.
05:33 < mkanat> sladegen: If I have 55 goroutines that throw an exception
simultaneously, my passed channel may not be doing me much good.  :-)
05:33 < rbohn_> Hmm, I got a sigtrap earlier.  Not the same?
05:34 -!- glewis [n=chatzill@cpe-98-154-103-91.socal.res.rr.com] has joined
#go-nuts
05:34 < Ycros> sladegen: it's not as mysterious as it seems
05:35 < sladegen> mkanat: yea, concurrency of exceptions...  erlang system's
is easy because it's functional, has immutable data structures.
05:35 < sladegen> go is a bit too low level.
05:36 < Null-A> iant: Nice, looks like you guys are taking care of the perf
gaps =)
05:36 * mkanat nods.
05:36 < mkanat> Fundamentally, I can't see any solution that doesn't involve
the introduction of a new keyword and an exception type, at the very minimum.
05:36 -!- mat_ [n=mat@mx3.absolight.net] has quit [Read error: 111 (Connection
refused)]
05:36 -!- alex1 [n=alex@unaffiliated/a1g] has joined #go-nuts
05:36 -!- jA_cOp [n=yakobu@ti0043a380-3093.bb.online.no] has joined #go-nuts
05:38 < Null-A> mkanat: erlang might have a different solution to error
handling, I don't recall
05:38 < uriel> Null-A: most perf gaps I have seen so far were product of
comparing apples with skyscrapers
05:38 < Null-A> uriel: i'm talking about the benchmarks in timing.log?
05:38 < mkanat> Null-A: We were just talking about that, but I'm pretty sure
their solution requires a dynamic runtime.
05:39 < mkanat> Null-A: And a different message-passing scheme than
goroutines and channels.
05:39 < uriel> Null-A: I'm taling about the comments that have been floating
around about comparisons with other languages
05:39 < Null-A> mkanat: can you remind me of their soln?
05:39 < uriel> (not saying that there isn't huge margin for improvement,
specially in the libraries and thing slike gc, but that is not what most people
has noticed so far)
05:39 -!- rndbot [n=bot@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has joined #go-nuts
05:40 < sladegen> go is also too imperative, but it tries to steer in good
direction, giving someone who chooses to tools to deal with concurency...  "more
nicely".
05:40 * Null-A pulls out an erlang book
05:40 -!- Perberos [n=Perberos@190.49.59.18] has quit [Remote closed the
connection]
05:41 -!- Gracenotes [n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has joined #go-nuts
05:41 < Null-A> uriel: sure, 'other people' aren't me
05:42 -!- inittab [n=dlbeer@ip-118-90-83-232.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #go-nuts
05:43 -!- Omei [n=chatzill@99-178-130-115.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has
quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
05:43 -!- V1psta [i=Vipsta@unaffiliated/v1psta] has joined #go-nuts
05:43 < uriel> heh
05:44 < quag> doesn't erlang have some sort of cascading error system?
05:45 < quag> errors shut down a 'thread', which causes things that depend
on that 'thread' to also fail.
05:46 < Null-A> not quite
05:46 -!- binaryjohn [n=binaryjo@cpe-24-30-132-50.san.res.rr.com] has quit []
05:46 < Null-A> you can 'link' processes causing notif's to be sent, to one
process in the event of failure to the other.
05:47 < Null-A> I'm still reading, there's other mechanisms.
05:47 -!- hipe_ [n=hipe@pool-74-108-181-155.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined
#go-nuts
05:48 -!- V1psta [i=Vipsta@unaffiliated/v1psta] has quit []
05:48 -!- droid001 [n=g1@p4FDCD518.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts
05:48 -!- V1psta [i=Vipsta@unaffiliated/v1psta] has joined #go-nuts
05:48 < quag> ah, ok.
05:48 -!- hipe [n=hipe@pool-74-108-181-155.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read
error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
05:49 -!- golangguru [n=chatzill@124.125.104.56] has quit [Read error: 110
(Connection timed out)]
05:51 < Null-A> g2g
05:51 -!- Null-A [n=jason@c-76-21-4-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #go-nuts []
05:52 < sladegen> but usual procedure is to let part of the computation
fail, whatever it returned is considered state of the computation, and restart ir
if needed.  if you have parts of computation that affect state outside of closure
you can't make those easy assuptions.
05:52 -!- blackmagik [n=blackmag@unaffiliated/blackmagik] has joined #go-nuts
05:54 -!- scarabx [n=scarabx@c-24-147-239-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["This
computer has gone to sleep"]
05:55 -!- inittab- [n=dlbeer@ip-118-90-100-133.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has quit [Read
error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
05:55 -!- binaryjohn [n=binaryjo@cpe-24-30-132-50.san.res.rr.com] has joined
#go-nuts
05:56 < mkanat> Okay, that's enough for me for the night.  :-) Later.
05:57 -!- mkanat [n=mkanat@c-67-188-1-39.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit ["Bye!"]
06:00 -!- hipe [n=hipe@pool-74-108-181-155.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined
#go-nuts
06:00 -!- brrant [n=John@65-102-193-77.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit ["Leaving"]
06:04 -!- droid0011 [n=g1@p4FDCD276.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Connection timed
out]
06:05 -!- me___ [i=[U2FsdGV@batman.acm.jhu.edu] has quit ["leaving"]
06:05 -!- glewis [n=chatzill@cpe-98-154-103-91.socal.res.rr.com] has quit
["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.15/2009102815]"]
06:05 -!- rbohn_ [n=rbohn@d103.digis.net] has left #go-nuts ["bye now"]
06:06 < goplexian> hmm it seems you are unable to create arrays larger than
10 million
06:07 -!- timmcd [n=Adium@97-117-100-106.slkc.qwest.net] has left #go-nuts []
06:08 -!- directrixx [n=aleksand@ip68-231-189-247.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit
["Adios"]
06:11 -!- mirtchov [n=mirtchov@S01060013100dbc55.cg.shawcable.net] has joined
#go-nuts
06:15 -!- hipe_ [n=hipe@pool-74-108-181-155.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit
[Connection timed out]
06:16 -!- golangguru [n=chatzill@124.125.104.56] has joined #go-nuts
06:17 -!- alex1 [n=alex@unaffiliated/a1g] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
06:17 -!- mirtchov [n=mirtchov@S01060013100dbc55.cg.shawcable.net] has left
#go-nuts []
06:22 < quag> golangguru: doh :)
06:23 < golangguru> quag: hi
06:25 -!- djanderson [n=dja@hltncable.pioneerbroadband.net] has quit [Read error:
110 (Connection timed out)]
06:27 -!- lenst [n=user@81.237.244.185] has joined #go-nuts
06:30 -!- brrant [n=John@65-102-193-77.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #go-nuts
06:31 -!- triplez [n=triplez@bb116-14-27-220.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Remote
closed the connection]
06:31 -!- triplez [n=triplez@bb116-14-27-220.singnet.com.sg] has joined #go-nuts
06:32 -!- blackmagik [n=blackmag@unaffiliated/blackmagik] has quit ["Leaving"]
06:33 -!- amacleod [n=amacleod@c-24-34-33-96.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Bye
Bye"]
06:34 -!- existsec_ [n=existsec@76-228-31-64.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has
joined #go-nuts
06:37 -!- voluspa [n=voluspa@x-134-84-102-227.reshalls.umn.edu] has joined
#go-nuts
06:38 -!- nigwil [n=chatzill@berkner.ccamlr.org] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85
[Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]"]
06:42 < quag> hi golangguru
06:42 < quag> golangguru: new nick?
06:43 -!- hipe_ [n=hipe@pool-74-108-181-155.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined
#go-nuts
06:43 -!- hipe [n=hipe@pool-74-108-181-155.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read
error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
06:49 -!- travisbrady [n=tbrady@98.210.155.175] has quit []
06:51 -!- Gussi [n=gussi@gussi.is] has quit ["Bah"]
06:52 -!- Gussi [n=gussi@85.197.213.11] has joined #go-nuts
06:52 -!- Fraeon [n=kzer-za@e212-246-65-153.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined
#go-nuts
06:55 -!- slashus2 [n=slashus2@74.137.26.8] has joined #go-nuts
07:03 -!- turutosiya [n=turutosi@219.106.251.65] has quit [Read error: 60
(Operation timed out)]
07:04 -!- triplez_ [n=triplez@bb116-14-27-220.singnet.com.sg] has joined #go-nuts
07:06 -!- cryptobeacon [n=irvin@unaffiliated/cryptobeacon] has quit ["leaving"]
07:07 -!- path_ [n=path@115.240.53.74] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed
out)]
07:08 -!- cgibreak [n=cgibreak@96.230.233.141] has quit [Read error: 110
(Connection timed out)]
07:10 < uriel> hah: http://twitter.com/_rsc
07:10 < quag> heh
07:10 -!- catron [n=beta@ip68-97-61-240.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts
07:14 -!- timmcd [n=Adium@97-117-100-106.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #go-nuts
07:15 < timmcd> Heeey!
07:15 < timmcd> To convert a Go string to const char *str in cgo:
07:15 < timmcd> (*C.STRING)(gostr), no?
07:15 * quag looks around.
07:16 < quag> timmcd: a bit quiet here at the moment
07:18 < timmcd> quag: Yeah...
07:18 -!- Snert [n=achowe@puff.snert.com] has joined #go-nuts
07:18 -!- cryptobeacon [n=irvin@unaffiliated/cryptobeacon] has joined #go-nuts
07:19 < quag> timmcd: what's cgo like?
07:19 < timmcd> quag: Extremely simple as far I can tell.
github.com/jabb/gocurse
07:19 < timmcd> ^_^
07:19 < timmcd> curses.go =D
07:19 < quag> sweet!
07:20 < quag> :)
07:20 < quag> timmcd: heh, it handles the arrow keys :)
07:20 < quag> the sample anyway
07:21 < uriel> timmcd: hey, I think kuroneko was working on that, but he ran
into some problem with varargs or osmething
07:21 -!- drusepth [n=drusepth@adsl-75-41-186-207.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has
quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
07:23 < quag> timmcd: lol.  It works...  but!, the left/right arrow keys are
swapped with up/down
07:23 < timmcd> Yeah...
07:23 < timmcd> You should fix that ;)
07:23 < timmcd> lol
07:24 < uriel> lattest commit: "add a match arena to regexp to avoid
generating garbage.
07:24 < uriel> simple regexps run 20x faster.
07:24 < uriel> the regex-dna benchmark goes 3x faster.
07:24 < uriel> "
07:24 < uriel> *nice*
07:24 < Snert> Morning
07:25 < golangguru> Morning + 5:30 = Afternoon here
07:25 -!- triplez [n=triplez@bb116-14-27-220.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Read error:
113 (No route to host)]
07:26 < quag> timmcd: http://gist.github.com/239340
07:26 < quag> timmcd: there.  Fixed
07:26 < quag> :)
07:26 < quag> timmcd: or would you rather a pull request?  :)
07:26 -!- rob| [n=rob@95-90-45-206-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: 110
(Connection timed out)]
07:27 -!- rob| [n=rob@95-90-45-206-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts
07:28 < timmcd> quag: a gist is fine ^_^
07:29 * quag amuses himself moving an @ around the screen
07:29 -!- melba [n=blee@85.11.190.15] has joined #go-nuts
07:29 < timmcd> lol
07:30 < sfuentes> anyone know if there is a unit testing library for go?
07:31 < timmcd> Quag: I will push the fix to master in a bit
07:31 < vegai> sfuentes: http://golang.org/pkg/ is your friend
07:31 < quag> sfuentes: http://golang.org/pkg/testing/ ?
07:31 < timmcd> let me finish wrapping the adding of strings =D
07:31 < quag> timmcd: one of these days I should really learn curses...  :)
07:32 < vegai> curses is one of those horrible things that should go away,
too :-/
07:32 < quag> vegai: how about ncurses?
07:32 < uriel> vegai: amen
07:33 < uriel> curses is a curse
07:33 < vegai> I wonder if anyone's trying to do anything better in that
space
07:34 < uriel> vegai: good question, but I never heard of anyone, at least
not in the last twenty years
07:34 < uriel> and probably rightly so
07:34 < quag> what?!  nobody pushing the limits of tn3270 to new heights?!
07:35 < uriel> quag: hah
07:35 < timmcd>
http://inventors.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ/Ya&zTi=1&sdn=inventors&cdn=money&tm=425&f=00&tt=14&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http%3A//www.delphion.com/gallery
07:35 -!- timmcd [n=Adium@97-117-100-106.slkc.qwest.net] has left #go-nuts []
07:37 < vegai> there should be a protocol that most terminals today
implement and that's pretty good
07:38 < vegai> how about just choose one and wrap that in a lib
07:40 < quag> heh, maybe plan 9 has a wicked terminal protocol ;-)
07:41 < vegai> they do something saner and totally incompatible with unix
terminals, I believe
07:41 -!- tanamo [n=tanamo@125.252.70.230] has quit ["Leaving"]
07:42 < uriel> vegai: there *should*, but there isnt!
07:43 < uriel> quag: yes, it is called draw:
http://man.cat-v.org/plan_9/3/draw
07:44 -!- trickie [n=trickie@94.100.112.225] has joined #go-nuts
07:45 * quag suddnely clicks why go has its strings in utf-8
07:45 < quag> heh, should have got that way earlier
07:46 -!- Anders__ [n=Anders@c83-253-2-206.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #go-nuts
07:46 -!- jeremychang [n=jeremych@61-30-10-70.static.tfn.net.tw] has joined
#go-nuts
07:47 < uriel> heh
07:47 -!- trickie [n=trickie@94.100.112.225] has quit [Client Quit]
07:47 -!- trickie [n=trickie@94.100.112.225] has joined #go-nuts
07:48 -!- conra [n=konrad@host-89-229-12-166.torun.mm.pl] has joined #go-nuts
07:49 < quag> uriel: are most of the apis in plan9 like draw?
07:49 < quag> simple string formats in files?
07:49 < quag> 'cos that is cool :)
07:49 < uriel> yes
07:49 < uriel> and yes, that is very cool
07:50 < quag> uriel: how well does plan9 run in a vm?
07:50 < quag> :)
07:50 < melba> there is inferno for that
07:51 < uriel> see for example /net: http://man.cat-v.org/plan_9/3/ip
07:51 < vegai> sadly, plan9 is somewhat a failure
07:51 < vegai> except its design and implementation
07:51 < vegai> but who cares about those, right?
07:51 < uriel> quag: see 9vx, by russ cox (who you might be familiar from
certain other project ;P) http://swtch.com/9vx/
07:51 < quag> iso is nice and small
07:53 * quag fetches
07:55 < quag> I wonder if Vx32 was used for the gofmt code execution
07:56 -!- binaryjohn [n=binaryjo@cpe-24-30-132-50.san.res.rr.com] has quit []
07:56 < uriel> quag: unlikely
07:57 < uriel> although there is some code in the go tree to compile to
nacl, which is similar to vx32
07:58 -!- voluspa [n=voluspa@x-134-84-102-227.reshalls.umn.edu] has quit [Read
error: 113 (No route to host)]
08:00 -!- mitchellh1 [n=mitchell@c-71-231-140-22.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined
#go-nuts
08:00 -!- mitchellh1 [n=mitchell@c-71-231-140-22.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit
[Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)]
08:01 -!- catron [n=beta@ip68-97-61-240.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Connection timed
out]
08:01 -!- mitchellh1 [n=mitchell@c-71-231-140-22.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined
#go-nuts
08:02 -!- mitchellh1 [n=mitchell@c-71-231-140-22.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit
[Remote closed the connection]
08:08 -!- rajeshsr [i=rajeshsr@115.184.168.9] has joined #go-nuts
08:08 -!- delsvr [n=delsvr@cpe-67-242-41-219.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit []
08:10 -!- Snert [n=achowe@puff.snert.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation
timed out)]
08:12 -!- asmo [n=asmo@83.248.96.173] has joined #go-nuts
08:15 < sladegen> heh
http://www.xent.com/pipermail/fork/Week-of-Mon-20091109/054578.html
08:15 < quag> uriel: is there a paper for plan9?
08:18 < uriel> a paper?  see http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/
08:18 < quag> sorry, pager
08:18 < quag> :)
08:18 < uriel> a pager?  the terminal is a pager
08:18 < uriel> "Where we Go, we don't need pagers!"
08:18 < uriel> (sorry, couldn't resist)
08:19 < uriel> if you are stuck without rio, then there is p(1), but that is
just a hack to get by in extreme cases
08:19 < uriel> there is page(1), but that is a pdf/img/whatever viewer
08:20 < quag> ohhhh...  that is how you use rio to create new windows
08:21 -!- msbranco [n=msbranco@188.61.172.64] has joined #go-nuts
08:23 < uriel> heh
08:23 -!- CIA-14 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #go-nuts
08:24 < uriel> aha!  ok, we should have commit notifications now
08:24 < uriel> (if I did setup things right, we will see)
08:24 < KragenSitaker> yeah, that's what I figured when I saw the CIA come
in here :)
08:25 < uriel> iant: when you are around, if you want to set it up directly
on the google code project let me know, for now I hacked it up in a private repo
that pulls from google code every ten min
08:26 < uriel> (all you need to do is add a single url to the list of hooks)
08:27 -!- conra [n=konrad@host-89-229-12-166.torun.mm.pl] has left #go-nuts []
08:27 -!- Anders__ [n=Anders@c83-253-2-206.bredband.comhem.se] has quit ["Lämnar"]
08:27 < asmo> So, what is the general impressions of Chrome OS?
08:27 -!- decriptor [n=decripto@53.250.sfcn.org] has quit [Read error: 113 (No
route to host)]
08:27 < uriel> asmo: just another silly linux distro
08:28 < uriel> totally non-news
08:28 < asmo> uriel: That's my take on it as well, slimmed down Linux distro
08:29 < bthomson> not interesting for developers, might be nice for "regular
people"
08:29 < uriel> for a rather peculiar deffinition of 'slimmed down', but
then, I guess nobody uses any reasonable deffinition of 'slimmed down' this days..
08:29 < asmo> bthomson: Maybe for netbooks
08:29 < uriel> maybe, but really, for regular pepole, I don't think they can
tell the difference from one OS to the next at all, so..
08:29 < asmo> Well, that's my definition anyway
08:29 < asmo> Compared to the major Linux distros at least
08:30 < bthomson> the security model is probably better than a linux os for
non-expert users
08:31 < asmo> bthomson: In what sense?
08:31 -!- slashus2 [n=slashus2@74.137.26.8] has quit []
08:31 < uriel> compared to a linux distro, a hog that has been force-feed
with lard for ten years is slimm and slender as a nail
08:31 < bthomson> there are only "webapps", you can't run native code not
from google
08:31 < bthomson> except maybe inside native client sandbox (in the future)
08:32 < uriel> as if web apps had anything that could in any shape or form
be called a 'security model'
08:32 < uriel> but anyway, all this is quite offtopic
08:32 < asmo> bthomson: That's mostly due to the no-app-policy of it
08:33 < uriel> (don't get me wrong, the linux security 'model' maybe made
sense forty years ago (and even then there were some obvoius mistakes ken himself
admited), but today...)
08:40 -!- cryptobeacon [n=irvin@unaffiliated/cryptobeacon] has quit ["leaving"]
08:42 -!- Kashia [n=Kashia@port-92-200-47-208.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #go-nuts
08:44 -!- simonz05 [n=simon@143.84-49-89.nextgentel.com] has joined #go-nuts
08:47 -!- rrr [i=rrr@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x9230E18F] has quit [Remote closed the
connection]
08:47 -!- punya [n=Adium@c-24-19-57-173.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts
08:48 < punya> are there any samples that show how to interoperate with a C
library that uses callbacks?
08:49 < nbaum> punya: I don't believe you can yet.
08:49 < uriel> punya: actually, as far as I know that is not possible
08:49 < uriel> ok, at least if I'm wrong I'm not the only one ;)
08:50 < punya> nbaum, uriel: thanks
08:50 -!- kaigan|work
[n=kaigan@c-8290e255.1411-10-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined
#go-nuts
08:52 -!- p0g0_ [n=pogo@unaffiliated/p0g0] has joined #go-nuts
08:55 -!- p0g0__ [n=pogo@unaffiliated/p0g0] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection
timed out)]
08:56 -!- gonick [n=chatzill@124.125.104.56] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox
3.5.5/20091102134505]"]
09:01 -!- raphael [n=rgb@did75-11-82-231-40-223.fbx.proxad.net] has joined
#go-nuts
09:03 -!- shawn [n=shawn@208-78-98-92.slicehost.net] has quit [Read error: 60
(Operation timed out)]
09:04 -!- eharmon_ [n=eharmon@74.204.161.105] has joined #go-nuts
09:05 -!- moriyoshi [n=moriyosh@i118-19-92-230.s04.a014.ap.plala.or.jp] has joined
#go-nuts
09:05 -!- shawn [n=shawn@208-78-98-92.slicehost.net] has joined #go-nuts
09:05 -!- eharmon [n=eharmon@74.204.161.105] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route
to host)]
09:06 < moriyoshi> Hey guys, I just started to make a Go binding of
PulseAudio.  Check out http://github.com/moriyoshi/pulsego/
09:06 < moriyoshi> Note you need to patch cgo before building this
09:06 -!- npe [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has joined #go-nuts
09:07 -!- Adys [n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection
timed out)]
09:07 < uriel> moriyoshi: for PulseAudio of all things?  oh dear...
09:08 -!- AryehGregor [n=Simetric@mediawiki/simetrical] has quit [Read error: 110
(Connection timed out)]
09:08 -!- MigoMipo [i=kvirc@95.209.53.94] has joined #go-nuts
09:09 < moriyoshi> uriel: It just covers only a handful of API functions you
need to let it sound something for now
09:09 < uriel> moriyoshi: added it to
http://go-lang.cat-v.org/library-bindings
09:09 * uriel would have prefered oss4 bindings or whatever, pulseaudio seems to
be quite awful..
09:09 < moriyoshi> uriel: thanks!
09:09 < uriel> but hey, I'm not doing the work, so up to you ;)
09:10 -!- turutosiya [n=turutosi@219.106.251.65] has joined #go-nuts
09:10 < punya> looking at a couple of the library bindings, it seems each of
them has a patch to cgo
09:10 < punya> are these patches expected to land in the google branch at
some point?
09:10 < moriyoshi> uriel: I don't have any idea on oss4.  Is it much better
than PulseAudio?
09:10 < npe> http://pastebin.com/m5e69eeb0
09:11 < npe> am I doing something stupid?
09:11 < uriel> npe: yes, you are not using gopaste.org
09:11 < moriyoshi> punya: See this:
http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=207
09:11 < punya> moriyoshi: thanks!
09:11 < npe> uriel: get them to put it in title then :p
09:12 < moriyoshi> It seems I'm just too lazy to write a bunch of tests for
my tiny patch
09:12 -!- lenst` [n=user@81-237-244-185-no52.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #go-nuts
09:12 -!- lenst [n=user@81.237.244.185] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection
reset by peer)]
09:13 < uriel> russ has said that cgo is still rather experimental, I myself
I'm quite impressed by how far people have been able to push it
09:13 < uriel> (also quite a few cgo fixes have gone in in the last couple
of days)
09:14 -!- Cyprien [n=Cyprien@pub1.heig-vd.ch] has joined #go-nuts
09:14 < punya> it seems reasonably useable, and people who want to interface
with existing libraries have to do *something*
09:15 < sladegen> npe: perhaps try ast.Node
09:15 -!- teralaser [n=teralase@unaffiliated/teralaser] has joined #go-nuts
09:15 -!- nomism [n=nomism@e179254040.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts
09:15 < npe> sladegen: not sure I follow.
09:16 < sladegen> npe: but i haven't tried it myself.
09:16 < npe> sladegen: file.Decls[1] is an ast.FuncDecl
09:16 < npe> and ast.FuncDecl implements Pos() so it satisifies the
interface.
09:17 < npe> but checkiface or whatever it is in the subr.c doesn't find it.
09:18 -!- hipe_ [n=hipe@pool-74-108-181-155.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit
[Remote closed the connection]
09:20 -!- MimeNarrator [i=benna@216.131.103.47] has quit [Read error: 113 (No
route to host)]
09:20 -!- nomism [n=nomism@e179254040.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote closed
the connection]
09:22 < sladegen> hmm...  yeah, everything sort of checks out...  well, will
have to grok that myself.
09:23 -!- Kashia [n=Kashia@port-92-200-47-208.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit ["This
computer has gone to sleep"]
09:24 -!- hector [n=chatzill@client-86-0-126-58.nrth.adsl.virginmedia.com] has
joined #go-nuts
09:24 < sladegen> or perhaps you need to use ParseDeclList to get the top
declarations.
09:25 < sladegen> those are decls are inside functions...
09:25 -!- rog [n=rog@89.241.23.202] has joined #go-nuts
09:26 -!- JSharpe2 [n=jamie@5ad1d7f1.bb.sky.com] has joined #go-nuts
09:26 -!- AryehGregor [n=Simetric@mediawiki/simetrical] has joined #go-nuts
09:32 -!- evilhackerdude [n=stephan@mue-88-130-111-114.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined
#go-nuts
09:35 -!- aa [n=aa@r190-135-167-54.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read
error: 113 (No route to host)]
09:36 -!- kmc [n=keegan@98.140.110.255] has quit [Read error: 148 (No route to
host)]
09:40 -!- buluca [n=buluca@unaffiliated/buluca] has joined #go-nuts
09:41 < korfuri> hi guys
09:41 -!- JSharpe [n=jamie@5ad1d7f1.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: 110
(Connection timed out)]
09:41 < korfuri> is there a way to tell reflect (or the json lib, or
something) to make public somehow a field starting with '_' ?
09:42 < korfuri> (or any workaround that would do the trick)
09:42 -!- moriyoshi [n=moriyosh@i118-19-92-230.s04.a014.ap.plala.or.jp] has quit
[Remote closed the connection]
09:42 < korfuri> i'm connecting to an API that returns a json object with
some fields starting with '_' and the json package doesn't want to unmarshal that
09:43 -!- sliceofpi [n=Adium@c-98-201-183-147.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit
["Leaving."]
09:43 < nbaum> You'll need to modify the compiler, or change the JSON before
unmarshalling it.
09:45 < korfuri> modifying the compiler doesn't seem to me like a good
choice...  i'm looking for an as-idiomatic-as-possible way to do that :)
09:46 < korfuri> maybe i could try to patch the json library to tell it to
ignore the leading underscores
09:48 -!- assiss [n=assiss@219.143.153.59] has left #go-nuts []
09:51 -!- rajeshsr [i=rajeshsr@115.184.168.9] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation
timed out)]
09:51 -!- buluca [n=buluca@unaffiliated/buluca] has left #go-nuts []
09:52 < sladegen> npe: i think it's the other way...  Decl doesn't have Pos.
09:53 < npe> sladegen: it's part of the interface.
09:53 < npe> russ just corrected me.
09:53 < npe> it's a *pointer* to a func decl.
09:56 -!- simon_ [n=simon@e179254040.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts
09:56 -!- simon_ [n=simon@e179254040.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Client Quit]
09:58 -!- sowa [n=sowa@85.214.104.79] has joined #go-nuts
09:58 -!- path_ [n=path@122.182.0.38] has joined #go-nuts
10:00 -!- lenst` [n=user@81-237-244-185-no52.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error:
104 (Connection reset by peer)]
10:04 < sladegen> well, yes...  and no.  file.Decls[1].Pos().Line works O_o
10:04 -!- sahid [n=sahid@LNeuilly-152-21-22-10.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit
["Ex-Chat"]
10:04 -!- turutosiya [n=turutosi@219.106.251.65] has quit [Remote closed the
connection]
10:06 -!- ikke [n=ikkibr@unaffiliated/ikkebr] has joined #go-nuts
10:07 -!- rajeshsr [i=rajeshsr@115.184.128.142] has joined #go-nuts
10:12 -!- leitaox [n=leitaox@189.20.94.66] has joined #go-nuts
10:16 -!- punya [n=Adium@c-24-19-57-173.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving."]
10:25 -!- moriyoshi [n=moriyosh@i118-19-92-230.s04.a014.ap.plala.or.jp] has joined
#go-nuts
10:26 -!- Lorthirk [n=cm0901@host21-182-dynamic.56-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it]
has joined #go-nuts
10:26 -!- raichoo [n=raichoo@i577B8EC7.versanet.de] has joined #go-nuts
10:26 -!- rup [i=Rupert@deathcoil.net] has quit ["leaving"]
10:29 -!- jbauer [n=jbauer@adsl-99-176-8-19.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined
#go-nuts
10:30 -!- trontonic [n=alexande@77.40.159.131] has joined #go-nuts
10:32 -!- rup [i=Rupert@78.159.100.189] has joined #go-nuts
10:36 -!- Nano [n=Nano@95-89-198-15-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts
10:37 -!- Cyprien_ [n=Cyprien@pub1.heig-vd.ch] has joined #go-nuts
10:39 -!- Cyprien [n=Cyprien@pub1.heig-vd.ch] has quit [Read error: 104
(Connection reset by peer)]
10:46 -!- Adys [n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys] has joined #go-nuts
10:49 -!- afurlan [n=afurlan@scorpion.mps.com.br] has joined #go-nuts
10:49 -!- ebk [i=eberkut@minithins.net] has joined #go-nuts
10:53 -!- leitaox [n=leitaox@189.20.94.66] has quit [Client Quit]
10:56 -!- rajeshsr [i=rajeshsr@115.184.128.142] has quit [Read error: 110
(Connection timed out)]
10:57 -!- engla [n=ulrik@90.229.231.23] has joined #go-nuts
11:03 -!- teralaser [n=teralase@unaffiliated/teralaser] has left #go-nuts []
11:04 -!- tomestla [n=tom@78.251.131.202] has joined #go-nuts
11:04 -!- RayNbow [i=kirika@scientia.demon.nl] has joined #go-nuts
11:08 -!- blasdelf [n=fred@c-76-104-181-225.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read
error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
11:11 < exch> Anyone around with some cgo experience?  This keeps popping up
with no extra information: http://meh.pastebin.com/m1179ba58 I can't seem to
figure out what it means.
11:11 -!- AryehGregor [n=Simetric@mediawiki/simetrical] has quit [Read error: 113
(No route to host)]
11:12 -!- blasdelf_ [n=fred@c-76-104-181-225.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined
#go-nuts
11:20 -!- Cyprien_ [n=Cyprien@pub1.heig-vd.ch] has quit [Read error: 110
(Connection timed out)]
11:22 -!- bquinn [n=bquinn@nat/yahoo/x-pyxliludlncmzhsx] has joined #go-nuts
11:34 -!- jeremychang [n=jeremych@61-30-10-70.static.tfn.net.tw] has quit ["暫離"]
11:35 -!- nsa310 [n=Adium@130.37.26.219] has joined #go-nuts
11:35 -!- nsa310 [n=Adium@130.37.26.219] has left #go-nuts []
11:38 -!- triplez [n=triplez@bb116-14-27-220.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Read error:
104 (Connection reset by peer)]
11:38 -!- Speedwagon [n=Robert@92-249-157-16.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined
#go-nuts
11:38 -!- Speedwagon [n=Robert@92-249-157-16.pool.digikabel.hu] has left #go-nuts
[""Great Scott!  1.21 Jigga whats?""]
11:41 -!- Nanoo [n=Nano@95-89-198-15-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts
11:42 -!- AryehGregor [n=Simetric@mediawiki/simetrical] has joined #go-nuts
11:42 -!- Nanooo [n=Nano@95-89-198-15-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts
11:44 -!- sku [n=sk@217.175.6.56] has joined #go-nuts
11:45 -!- banthar [n=banthar@chello084010208203.chello.pl] has joined #go-nuts
11:46 -!- moriyoshi [n=moriyosh@i118-19-92-230.s04.a014.ap.plala.or.jp] has quit
[Remote closed the connection]
11:47 -!- Nano [n=Nano@95-89-198-15-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: 60
(Operation timed out)]
11:48 -!- teop2k [n=teop2k@89.232.105.25] has joined #go-nuts
11:50 -!- rajeshsr [n=rajeshsr@115.184.139.236] has joined #go-nuts
11:50 -!- banthar [n=banthar@chello084010208203.chello.pl] has quit ["Leaving"]
11:53 -!- Zaba_ [n=zaba@about/goats/billygoat/zaba] has joined #go-nuts
11:54 -!- AlvaroGP [i=Alvaro@89.128.155.68] has joined #go-nuts
11:56 -!- ikkebr [n=ikkibr@unaffiliated/ikkebr] has joined #go-nuts
11:59 -!- Cyprien_ [n=Cyprien@pub1.heig-vd.ch] has joined #go-nuts
12:00 -!- simonz05 [n=simon@143.84-49-89.nextgentel.com] has quit ["Ex-Chat"]
12:00 -!- |MigoMipo| [i=kvirc@95.209.106.122] has joined #go-nuts
12:00 -!- Nanoo [n=Nano@95-89-198-15-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Connection
timed out]
12:01 -!- MigoMipo [i=kvirc@95.209.53.94] has quit [Nick collision from services.]
12:01 -!- lenst [n=user@81-237-244-185-no52.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #go-nuts
12:03 -!- Peter` [n=peter@92.254.21.251] has joined #go-nuts
12:05 -!- raichoo [n=raichoo@i577B8EC7.versanet.de] has quit []
12:05 -!- Zaba [n=zaba@about/goats/billygoat/zaba] has quit [Read error: 110
(Connection timed out)]
12:06 -!- AlvaroGP [i=Alvaro@89.128.155.68] has quit []
12:08 -!- Rob_Russell [n=chatzill@206-248-157-156.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined
#go-nuts
12:09 -!- tor7 [n=tor@213.113.122.152] has joined #go-nuts
12:10 -!- engla [n=ulrik@wikipedia/Sverdrup] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection
timed out)]
12:12 -!- ikke [n=ikkibr@unaffiliated/ikkebr] has quit [Connection timed out]
12:12 -!- tor7 [n=tor@213.113.122.152] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset
by peer)]
12:12 -!- tor7 [n=tor@c-987a71d5.04-50-6c756e10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has
joined #go-nuts
12:13 -!- Peter- [n=peter@92.254.21.251] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection
timed out)]
12:14 < rog> exch: sounds like it's a "typedef struct lua_State lua_State"
with no accompanying struct definition.
12:14 < rog> exch: that's legal in C.
12:17 -!- codehai [n=codehai@xdsl-78-34-36-14.netcologne.de] has joined #go-nuts
12:19 -!- hallidave
[n=hallidav@CPE001ff3406248-CM0018680dd678.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined
#go-nuts
12:19 -!- hallidave
[n=hallidav@CPE001ff3406248-CM0018680dd678.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit
[Client Quit]
12:20 -!- Xavier [i=kintoen@bitchx/dev/eth0] has quit ["EPIC5-1.0[1592] - amnesiac
: brb"]
12:22 -!- Xavier [i=kintoen@bitchx/dev/eth0] has joined #go-nuts
12:23 < Xavier> minibif
12:23 < Xavier> misfire :P
12:23 -!- Perberos [n=Perberos@190.49.59.18] has joined #go-nuts
12:31 -!- teop2k [n=teop2k@89.232.105.25] has quit ["WeeChat 0.3.0"]
12:35 -!- cmarcelo [n=quassel@200.184.118.130] has joined #go-nuts
12:41 -!- flyguy [n=flyguy@66-169-174-29.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined
#go-nuts
12:43 -!- kridian [n=kridian@kridian.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
12:43 < exch> mm ill have a look
12:44 < exch> yup :p "typedef struct lua_State lua_State;"
12:50 -!- Associat0r [n=Associat@h163153.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #go-nuts
12:51 -!- migomipo [i=kvirc@95.209.106.122] has quit ["co'o rodo"]
12:52 -!- rrr [i=rrr@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x9230E18F] has joined #go-nuts
12:55 -!- dezelin [n=dezelin@91.150.108.119] has joined #go-nuts
12:55 < flyguy> does anyone see anything immediately wrong with the line:
12:55 < flyguy> dest_file, err := os.Open(my_filename, os.O_WRONLY, 0666);
12:56 < exch> nope
12:56 < flyguy> I'm getting "*os.PathError=open my_filename: no such file or
directory"
12:56 < exch> the path in my_filename is wrong then
12:57 < flyguy> I'm trying to create the file with the write operation.
Does it have to be a fully qualified path or something?
12:58 < exch> mm if the file doesn't exist yet, there should be another flag
set, or os.Open should find create one itself
12:59 < flyguy> oh!  with os.O_CREATE - missed that flag.  Thanks.
12:59 < tor7> if the file doesn't exist you need to add O_CREAT to the flags
13:02 -!- codehai [n=codehai@xdsl-78-34-36-14.netcologne.de] has left #go-nuts
["Leaving."]
13:03 -!- ring-zero [n=hotshot@117.199.136.54] has joined #go-nuts
13:03 -!- vdrab [n=vdrab@61.86.36.152] has joined #go-nuts
13:03 -!- drusepth [n=drusepth@adsl-75-28-54-85.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has
joined #go-nuts
13:03 -!- ring-zero [n=hotshot@117.199.136.54] has quit [SendQ exceeded]
13:04 -!- ring-zero [n=hotshot@117.199.136.54] has joined #go-nuts
13:05 -!- drusepth` [n=drusepth@75.28.54.85] has joined #go-nuts
13:05 -!- ring-zero [n=hotshot@117.199.136.54] has quit [SendQ exceeded]
13:05 -!- sowa [n=sowa@85.214.104.79] has quit ["Lost terminal"]
13:06 -!- ring-zero [n=hotshot@117.199.136.54] has joined #go-nuts
13:06 -!- Heavensrevenge
[n=quassel@CPE001d0fe73b7d-CM00111ae5c642.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined
#go-nuts
13:07 < flyguy> make
13:07 -!- ring-zero [n=hotshot@117.199.136.54] has quit [SendQ exceeded]
13:07 -!- ring-zero [n=hotshot@117.199.136.54] has joined #go-nuts
13:07 < flyguy> is there a good collection of go source files anywhere
besides the go source?
13:08 < exch> probably not yet
13:08 -!- ring-zero [n=hotshot@117.199.136.54] has quit [SendQ exceeded]
13:09 -!- ring-zero [n=hotshot@117.199.136.54] has joined #go-nuts
13:09 -!- conra [n=konrad@host-89-229-12-166.torun.mm.pl] has joined #go-nuts
13:09 -!- Guest14331 [n=kill-9@cpe-65-24-145-70.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined
#go-nuts
13:09 < nbaum> Google code search shows "about 7000" results for lang:go.
13:09 < nbaum> Few of them seem to be Go source.
13:10 -!- ring-zero [n=hotshot@117.199.136.54] has quit [SendQ exceeded]
13:10 -!- mat_ [n=mat@mx3.absolight.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer]
13:10 -!- mat_ [n=mat@mx3.absolight.net] has joined #go-nuts
13:10 -!- ring-zero [n=hotshot@117.199.136.54] has joined #go-nuts
13:11 -!- ring-zero [n=hotshot@117.199.136.54] has quit [SendQ exceeded]
13:12 -!- ring-zero [n=hotshot@117.199.136.54] has joined #go-nuts
13:12 -!- trvbldn [n=trvbldn@c-98-218-95-154.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Read
error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
13:13 -!- drusepth [n=drusepth@adsl-75-28-54-85.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has quit
[Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
13:13 -!- ring-zero [n=hotshot@117.199.136.54] has quit [SendQ exceeded]
13:14 -!- ring-zero [n=hotshot@117.199.136.54] has joined #go-nuts
13:15 -!- jbauer [n=jbauer@adsl-99-176-8-19.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has quit
[Remote closed the connection]
13:20 -!- Cyprien_ [n=Cyprien@pub1.heig-vd.ch] has quit ["Quitte"]
13:21 -!- Heavensrevenge
[n=quassel@CPE001d0fe73b7d-CM00111ae5c642.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit
[Remote closed the connection]
13:21 < flyguy> is there any chance Go will ever have first-class regular
expressions?  The regexp lib seems to be light on functionality
13:21 -!- knave [n=quassel@dsl-240-171-194.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #go-nuts
13:22 -!- knave [n=quassel@dsl-240-171-194.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote
closed the connection]
13:22 -!- raichoo [n=raichoo@i577B8EC7.versanet.de] has joined #go-nuts
13:23 -!- Yuffster [n=yuffster@71.181.138.238] has quit ["Leaving..."]
13:23 < halfdan> i'd really appreciate that to
13:23 -!- slashus2 [n=slashus2@74-137-26-8.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #go-nuts
13:23 < halfdan> o
13:24 -!- adam_smith [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has joined
#go-nuts
13:25 -!- msw [n=msw@66.192.95.199] has joined #go-nuts
13:25 -!- knave [n=kn4ve@dsl-240-171-194.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #go-nuts
13:26 < adam_smith> Hi I was interested in some technical details about Go.
Is calling a method on an interface, similar to calling a function pointer?
13:26 -!- clip9 [i=tj@12.81-166-62.customer.lyse.net] has joined #go-nuts
13:26 < adam_smith> Or can the compiler often figure out the exact method?
13:26 -!- asmo [n=asmo@83.248.96.173] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
13:27 -!- al-maisan
[n=al-maisa@conference/ubuntu-developer-summit/x-nodamkgaaimnrsbi] has joined
#go-nuts
13:34 -!- ikke [n=ikkibr@unaffiliated/ikkebr] has joined #go-nuts
13:36 < exch> flyguy: i'm guessing it wil be adressed at some point, but for
now you'll have to use a wrapper to some other regex lib
13:36 < vegai> what is it missing?
13:36 -!- al-maisan
[n=al-maisa@conference/ubuntu-developer-summit/x-nodamkgaaimnrsbi] has left
#go-nuts ["Parting is tough.."]
13:37 < exch> quit a few constructs like \s, \b,
13:37 -!- david_ricardo [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has joined
#go-nuts
13:38 < exch> it also seems to have some problems with capture groups
13:39 < exch> For now you can use the PCRE bindings
http://github.com/jteeuwen/go-pkg-pcre
13:40 -!- x-ip [n=sakura@unaffiliated/x-ip] has joined #go-nuts
13:40 -!- clip9 [i=tj@12.81-166-62.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Remote closed the
connection]
13:41 -!- andern [n=NA@55.84-234-230.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Remote closed
the connection]
13:41 -!- andern [n=NA@84.234.230.55] has joined #go-nuts
13:42 -!- leopa [n=leopoldo@189.114.201.244.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined
#go-nuts
13:43 -!- ikkebr [n=ikkibr@unaffiliated/ikkebr] has quit [Connection timed out]
13:45 -!- crashR [n=crasher@codextreme.pck.nerim.net] has quit ["Leaving."]
13:46 -!- zhaozhou [n=zhaozhou@linfast76.bitnet.nu] has joined #go-nuts
13:46 -!- chickamade [n=chickama@123.16.65.187] has joined #go-nuts
13:47 -!- ikke [n=ikkibr@unaffiliated/ikkebr] has quit []
13:47 -!- Meidor [n=quassel@cl-936.ams-05.nl.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: 60
(Operation timed out)]
13:48 -!- x-ip [n=sakura@unaffiliated/x-ip] has quit [Remote closed the
connection]
13:48 -!- david_ricardo_ [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has joined
#go-nuts
13:48 -!- asmo [n=asmo@c-f6c5e055.1155-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has
joined #go-nuts
13:48 -!- adam_smith [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read
error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
13:49 -!- clip9 [i=tj@12.81-166-62.customer.lyse.net] has joined #go-nuts
13:52 -!- engla [n=ulrik@90-229-231-23-no153.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #go-nuts
13:53 -!- Meidor [n=quassel@cl-936.ams-05.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #go-nuts
13:54 -!- drusepth` [n=drusepth@75.28.54.85] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection
timed out)]
13:55 -!- chickamade [n=chickama@123.16.65.187] has quit ["Leaving"]
13:57 -!- david_ricardo [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read
error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
13:58 -!- Sylvain__ [i=d4528311@gateway/web/freenode/x-mqahidlserbckckm] has
joined #go-nuts
13:59 -!- adam_smith [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has joined
#go-nuts
14:00 -!- General13372 [n=support@71-84-247-187.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com] has
joined #go-nuts
14:03 -!- leopa [n=leopoldo@189.114.201.244.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has left
#go-nuts []
14:03 -!- tomestla [n=tom@78.251.131.202] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation
timed out)]
14:03 < flyguy> exch: thanks for the link.  what is: import "C"?  Is that an
undocumented go lib or something external?
14:03 < exch> You use it to import C headers when wrapping an external
library in go
14:03 -!- General1337 [n=support@71-84-247-187.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com] has quit
[Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
14:04 < Meidor> Hello I've imported the strconv package but the go compiler
still says undefined Atoi any thoughts what I'm doing wrong?
14:04 < exch> the comment above it belongs to the statement.  the cgo
compiler uses it to import the right files
14:04 < exch> Meidor: did you type strings.Atoi() ?
14:04 < flyguy> exch: gotcha.  thanks
14:05 < Meidor> exch: guess thats what I'm doing wrong.  Thanks
14:05 < flyguy> Meidor: I think he meant strconv.Atoi()
14:05 < exch> eh yes sorry
14:05 * exch coffee
14:07 -!- Rob_Russell [n=chatzill@206-248-157-156.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit
["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]"]
14:07 -!- rajeshsr [n=rajeshsr@115.184.139.236] has quit [Read error: 104
(Connection reset by peer)]
14:07 -!- david_ricardo_ [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has quit
[Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
14:07 -!- x-ip [n=sakura@unaffiliated/x-ip] has joined #go-nuts
14:08 < engla> I'm happy that go has real namespaces (packages)
14:09 < flyguy> does it?  I thought I read somewhere that package names have
to be globally unique, at least for the time being.
14:09 -!- mat__ [n=mat@mx3.absolight.net] has joined #go-nuts
14:09 < engla> is there a builtin function or similar to make a copy of a
slice?
14:10 < engla> I meant the packages are the namespaces
14:10 < engla> do you mean that in the crypto/aes case, the "crypto" part is
not a namespace at all?
14:10 < Gracenotes> no, nor one to make a copy of an array.  besides
looping.
14:11 < flyguy> engla: I mean that you can't have crypto/block and
myotherlib/block in the same program
14:11 < Meidor> var i int = strconv.Atoi(flag.Arg(1)); gives me the error:
multiple-value strconv.Atoi() in single-value context.  What am I doing wrong this
time ;)
14:11 < dho> morning
14:11 < engla> flyguy: you can import them under different names, or doesn't
that work either?
14:11 < engla> flyguy: import cblock "crypto/block" ?
14:12 < Gracenotes> > i, err := strconv.Atoi("hello"); fmt.Printf("%d,
%s", i, err)
14:12 < rndbot> 0, parsing hello: invalid argument
14:12 < exch> Meidor: AtoI() returns multiple values.  The result and a
possible error.  Try: val, err := strings.Atoi(); if err != nil { ohnoes(err) }
else { yay(val) }
14:12 -!- trontonic [n=alexande@77.40.159.131] has quit ["Ex-Chat"]
14:13 -!- tomestla [n=tom@78.251.131.202] has joined #go-nuts
14:13 -!- lmoura [n=lauromou@200.184.118.130] has quit [Remote closed the
connection]
14:14 -!- david_ricardo [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has joined
#go-nuts
14:14 < flyguy> engla: haven't tried it, but I was going off the
"Contributing Code" page at golang.org
14:15 < engla> "The Go tools impose a restriction that package names are
unique across all packages linked into a single binary, but that restriction will
be lifted soon.  "
14:15 < flyguy> yeah, that one
14:15 -!- sm [n=sm@cpe-75-85-88-227.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts
14:17 < exch> the package subdirs like 'container/vector' would be an
excellent namespace equivalent
14:19 -!- aho [n=nya@g226128246.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit
["EXEC_over.METHOD_SUBLIMATION"]
14:21 -!- adam_smith [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read
error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
14:21 -!- rajeshsr [i=rajeshsr@115.184.233.4] has joined #go-nuts
14:23 -!- mat_ [n=mat@mx3.absolight.net] has quit [Read error: 111 (Connection
refused)]
14:23 -!- drusepth [n=drusepth@209.106.203.252] has joined #go-nuts
14:24 < flyguy> engla: going back to slice copies, I thought slices were
values that reference an underlying array, and therefore cheap to copy (newslice
:= oldslice)
14:25 < exch> it won't be a copy of the data though.  Just the reference
14:26 < engla> flyguy: I wanted a slice with a copy of the data
14:26 < flyguy> gotcha
14:27 -!- chachan [n=chachan@200.62.25.156] has joined #go-nuts
14:27 < engla> that go doesn't have typedefs gets ugly:
Element(math.Sqrt(float64(norm)))
14:27 < engla> type Element float64 ..  is not an alias, but a new type
14:28 -!- __ed [i=bitch@anal-co.it] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by
peer)]
14:29 < Gracenotes> I was surprised how un-synonym-y they are
14:30 -!- arjanb [i=borganis@borganism.student.utwente.nl] has joined #go-nuts
14:31 -!- knave [n=kn4ve@dsl-240-171-194.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote closed
the connection]
14:31 -!- lmoura [n=lauromou@200.184.118.130] has joined #go-nuts
14:32 -!- sachetto [n=sachetto@187-25-156-99.3g.claro.net.br] has joined #go-nuts
14:32 -!- chachan [n=chachan@200.62.25.156] has quit ["KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0,
revision: , sources date: 20090520, built on: 2009/06/06 11:44:47 UTC
http://www.kvirc.net/"]
14:32 -!- nacmartin [n=chatzill@149.Red-88-17-130.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has
joined #go-nuts
14:33 -!- lmoura [n=lauromou@200.184.118.130] has quit [Client Quit]
14:33 -!- lmoura [n=lauromou@200.184.118.130] has joined #go-nuts
14:33 -!- iant [n=iant@adsl-71-133-8-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Read
error: 113 (No route to host)]
14:34 -!- mzgc [n=mizoguch@KHP059140023026.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #go-nuts
14:36 -!- slashus2 [n=slashus2@74-137-26-8.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit []
14:38 -!- mzgc [n=mizoguch@KHP059140023026.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit
["Leaving."]
14:38 -!- SRabbelier [n=SRabbeli@ip138-114-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has
joined #go-nuts
14:39 -!- __ed [i=bitch@anal-co.it] has joined #go-nuts
14:41 -!- binaryjohn [n=binaryjo@cpe-24-30-132-50.san.res.rr.com] has joined
#go-nuts
14:42 -!- lux` [n=lux@151.54.240.177] has joined #go-nuts
14:43 -!- chachan [n=chachan@ccscliente156.ifxnetworks.net.ve] has joined #go-nuts
14:45 -!- sachetto [n=sachetto@187-25-156-99.3g.claro.net.br] has quit ["Leaving"]
14:45 -!- jA_cOp [n=yakobu@ti0043a380-3093.bb.online.no] has quit [Remote closed
the connection]
14:45 -!- chachan [n=chachan@ccscliente156.ifxnetworks.net.ve] has quit [Client
Quit]
14:50 -!- david_ricardo [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has joined
#go-nuts
14:51 -!- leitaox [n=leitaox@189.20.94.66] has joined #go-nuts
14:52 -!- loureiro [n=loureiro@201008189052.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined
#go-nuts
14:52 -!- chachan [n=chachan@ccscliente156.ifxnetworks.net.ve] has joined #go-nuts
14:52 -!- adam_smith [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read
error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
14:54 -!- damien_ [n=damien@damien.grassart.com] has joined #go-nuts
14:55 -!- Fraeon [n=kzer-za@e212-246-65-153.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit
["Connection reset by peer."]
14:55 -!- Fraeon [n=kzer-za@e212-246-65-153.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined
#go-nuts
14:59 -!- damien_ [n=damien@damien.grassart.com] has quit ["Ex-Chat"]
15:01 -!- drusepth [n=drusepth@209.106.203.252] has quit [Read error: 110
(Connection timed out)]
15:02 -!- Decoy_ [n=decoy@ns1.ukr.ua] has joined #go-nuts
15:03 -!- ProperNoun [i=ProperNo@wikipedia/ProperNoun] has quit [Read error: 60
(Operation timed out)]
15:04 -!- smooge [n=smooge@int.smoogespace.com] has joined #go-nuts
15:06 -!- iant [n=iant@67.218.109.101] has joined #go-nuts
15:06 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ
15:08 -!- david_ricardo [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read
error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
15:10 -!- aa [n=aa@r190-135-189-132.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined
#go-nuts
15:10 -!- binaryjohn [n=binaryjo@cpe-24-30-132-50.san.res.rr.com] has quit []
15:11 -!- adam_smith [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has joined
#go-nuts
15:11 -!- oklofok [n=oklopol@a91-153-117-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["(
www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )"]
15:13 -!- leitaox [n=leitaox@189.20.94.66] has quit [Client Quit]
15:14 -!- scarabx [n=scarabx@c-24-147-239-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined
#go-nuts
15:16 -!- aa [n=aa@r190-135-189-132.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote
closed the connection]
15:19 -!- Peter- [n=peter@92.254.21.251] has joined #go-nuts
15:23 -!- vdrab [n=vdrab@61.86.36.152] has quit []
15:24 -!- scarabx [n=scarabx@c-24-147-239-120.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["This
computer has gone to sleep"]
15:25 -!- Kashia [n=Kashia@port-92-200-47-208.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #go-nuts
15:26 -!- x-ip [n=sakura@unaffiliated/x-ip] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation
timed out)]
15:27 -!- sockmonk [n=user@pixout.appriss.com] has joined #go-nuts
15:29 -!- Peter` [n=peter@92.254.21.251] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection
timed out)]
15:30 -!- chachan [n=chachan@ccscliente156.ifxnetworks.net.ve] has quit ["KVIrc
Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090520, built on: 2009/06/06 11:44:47
UTC http://www.kvirc.net/"]
15:34 -!- hector [n=chatzill@client-86-0-126-58.nrth.adsl.virginmedia.com] has
quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]"]
15:34 -!- jA_cOp [n=yakobu@ti0043a380-3093.bb.online.no] has joined #go-nuts
15:34 -!- chachan [n=chachan@ccscliente156.ifxnetworks.net.ve] has joined #go-nuts
15:37 -!- adam_smith [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read
error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
15:42 -!- path[l] [n=path@122.182.0.38] has quit []
15:44 -!- armence [n=armence@67.188.229.128] has joined #go-nuts
15:46 -!- armence [n=armence@67.188.229.128] has quit [Client Quit]
15:46 -!- armence [n=armence@c-67-188-229-128.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined
#go-nuts
15:52 -!- flyguy [n=flyguy@66-169-174-29.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has left
#go-nuts []
15:52 -!- flyguy [n=flyguy@66-169-174-29.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined
#go-nuts
15:53 -!- adam_smith [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has joined
#go-nuts
15:56 -!- rajeshsr [i=rajeshsr@115.184.233.4] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation
timed out)]
15:56 -!- rajeshsr [n=rajeshsr@59.92.66.37] has joined #go-nuts
15:58 -!- nacmartin [n=chatzill@149.Red-88-17-130.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit
[Remote closed the connection]
16:00 -!- Sylvain__ [i=d4528311@gateway/web/freenode/x-mqahidlserbckckm] has quit
["Page closed"]
16:02 -!- qbit_ [n=qbit_@c-75-71-160-106.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts
16:04 -!- mainman__ [n=Adium@79.21.156.24] has joined #go-nuts
16:04 -!- mainman__ [n=Adium@79.21.156.24] has left #go-nuts []
16:05 -!- hector [n=chatzill@client-86-0-126-58.nrth.adsl.virginmedia.com] has
joined #go-nuts
16:06 -!- delsvr [n=delsvr@cpe-67-242-41-219.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts
16:06 -!- ukl [n=ukl@f053122078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts
16:07 < ukl> hello.  Is there anything wrong with using "a[i], a[p] = a[p],
a[i]" to swap elements of a slice?
16:09 < dagle2> ukl: how have you defined a?
16:09 -!- rrr [i=rrr@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x9230E18F] has quit [Remote closed the
connection]
16:09 < ukl> dagle2: given to a function as "a []int" parameter
16:09 -!- ian1 [n=iant@nat/google/x-yogzokjmcbmqzrkl] has joined #go-nuts
16:10 -!- iant [n=iant@67.218.109.101] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed
out)]
16:10 -!- triddell [n=tim@207-191-198-64.cpe.ats.mcleodusa.net] has quit [Read
error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
16:10 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ
16:11 -!- david_ricardo [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has joined
#go-nuts
16:12 -!- loureiro [n=loureiro@201008189052.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit
["Quit"]
16:12 -!- loureiro [n=loureiro@201008189052.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined
#go-nuts
16:13 -!- loureiro [n=loureiro@201008189052.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Read
error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
16:13 -!- decriptor [n=decripto@137.65.132.26] has joined #go-nuts
16:14 < ukl> dagle2: http://pastebin.com/d23652281
16:14 -!- loureiro [n=loureiro@201008189052.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined
#go-nuts
16:16 -!- westymatt [n=westymat@173-17-254-31.client.mchsi.com] has joined
#go-nuts
16:17 < exch> what's the problem?  the code works here
16:18 < exch> at least, it doesn't throw any errors.  Not sure if the
outpout is what it should be
16:18 < dagle2> ukl: Ok. Use *[]
16:18 < dagle2> []int is not a pointer.
16:20 -!- kaigan|work
[n=kaigan@c-8290e255.1411-10-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit []
16:24 -!- adam_smith [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read
error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
16:24 < ukl> dagle2: like *[]a[i], *[]a[j] = *[]a[j] *[]a[i] ?
16:24 -!- hector [n=chatzill@client-86-0-126-58.nrth.adsl.virginmedia.com] has
quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]"]
16:25 -!- skyfive [n=skyfive@adsl-69-106-230-209.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit
[Remote closed the connection]
16:25 < ukl> (probably not, syntax error)
16:25 -!- al-maisan
[n=al-maisa@conference/ubuntu-developer-summit/x-veqemnpejziznjka] has joined
#go-nuts
16:26 -!- directrixx [n=aleksand@ip68-231-189-247.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined
#go-nuts
16:28 -!- mat__ [n=mat@mx3.absolight.net] has joined #go-nuts
16:28 -!- dobre_zlo [i=unixwiza@k-lined.info] has quit [Read error: 104
(Connection reset by peer)]
16:29 -!- triplez [n=triplez@cm52.sigma225.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #go-nuts
16:30 < dagle2> ukl: func swap(i, j *int) { *i, *j = *j, *i; }
16:30 -!- Anders__ [n=Anders@c83-253-2-206.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #go-nuts
16:31 < ukl> dagle2: thanks, I'll try that
16:31 < dagle2> Works for me.
16:33 -!- al-maisan
[n=al-maisa@conference/ubuntu-developer-summit/x-veqemnpejziznjka] has left
#go-nuts ["Parting is tough.."]
16:33 -!- Chaze [n=Chase@dslb-094-219-214-079.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined
#go-nuts
16:33 -!- tomestla [n=tom@78.251.131.202] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection
timed out)]
16:33 < ukl> hmm.  swap(&a[i], &a[j]) ? somehow the whole program doesnt
work, maybe it's something else tho...  Might need to try some minimal examples
first
16:34 -!- Chaze [n=Chase@dslb-094-219-214-079.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left
#go-nuts []
16:35 < exch> it's swapping identical values every time
16:35 < exch> arr[p] == arr[i]
16:35 -!- mxcl [n=mxcl@94-193-125-246.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed
the connection]
16:35 < ukl> oops.
16:38 < ukl> oh..  the "if arr[j] <= x" never happens
16:39 -!- Venom_X_ [n=pjacobs@66.54.185.131] has joined #go-nuts
16:42 -!- mat_ [n=mat@mx3.absolight.net] has quit [Read error: 111 (Connection
refused)]
16:43 -!- dezelin [n=dezelin@91.150.108.119] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection
reset by peer)]
16:43 -!- aa [n=aa@r200-40-114-26.ae-static.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #go-nuts
16:45 -!- tomestla [n=tom@78.251.131.202] has joined #go-nuts
16:46 -!- ebk [i=eberkut@minithins.net] has left #go-nuts []
16:46 -!- jeroend [n=jeroend@76.73.16.26] has joined #go-nuts
16:47 -!- tomestla1 [n=tom@81.185.119.124] has joined #go-nuts
16:48 -!- travisbrady [n=tbrady@67-207-96-194.static.wiline.com] has joined
#go-nuts
16:49 < jeroend> Hi, is anyone else getting crash from newosproc?
16:49 < jeroend> It seems that the clone system call fails
16:49 < jeroend> I am running on an older version of linux 32 bit
16:50 < jeroend> kernel 2.4.21
16:50 < jeroend> This mean goroutines do not work at all
16:51 -!- dbruns [n=dbruns@69.66.68.21] has joined #go-nuts
16:53 -!- npe [n=npe@195.207.5.2] has quit [No route to host]
16:56 -!- trickie [n=trickie@94.100.112.225] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route
to host)]
16:57 -!- dobre_zlo [i=unixwiza@k-lined.info] has joined #go-nuts
17:04 -!- foxspurlock [n=Brian@cpe-74-66-16-82.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts
17:04 -!- tomestla [n=tom@78.251.131.202] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection
timed out)]
17:05 < e1f> "The (London) Times would charge for 24-hour access to that
day's edition of the paper alongside a subscription model, but dismissed the idea
of micro-payments for individual articles."
17:05 -!- jabb [n=grue@71.94.31.166] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed
out)]
17:05 < e1f>
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/nov/17/times-editor-james-harding-online-charging
17:08 -!- nonet1 [n=nonet@c-69-181-203-73.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #go-nuts
[]
17:10 -!- engla [n=ulrik@wikipedia/Sverdrup] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection
timed out)]
17:10 < e1f> http://paulgraham.com/apple.html
17:10 < e1f> at least he got a new favicon, instead of the old Y!
17:11 -!- path_ [n=path@115.240.6.26] has joined #go-nuts
17:12 -!- skyfive [n=skyfive@173-11-110-86-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has
joined #go-nuts
17:13 -!- bquinn [n=bquinn@nat/yahoo/x-pyxliludlncmzhsx] has quit []
17:16 -!- drusepth [n=drusepth@209.106.203.252] has joined #go-nuts
17:18 -!- tomestla1 [n=tom@81.185.119.124] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection
timed out)]
17:20 -!- ptolomy2 [n=chatzill@nat/google/x-walndfcfixwknrcl] has joined #go-nuts
17:23 -!- sku [n=sk@217.175.6.56] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
17:23 < dbruns> I'm trying to install go on an Ubuntu Karmic Koala server
and when I get to the point where I run ./all.bash from src/ I get an error:
error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory
17:23 -!- Wezz6400 [n=Wezz6400@145-118-111-123.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit ["Caught
sigterm, terminating..."]
17:24 < whiteley> dbruns: did you set the environment variables?
17:24 -!- Wezz6400 [n=Wezz6400@145-118-111-123.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #go-nuts
17:25 < dbruns> yes
17:25 < Kashia>
http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=stubs-32.h&mode=exactfilename&suite=karmic&arch=any
17:25 < dbruns> ahhhh shoot
17:25 -!- jspeter [n=quassel@216-12-25-120.unassigned.ntelos.net] has joined
#go-nuts
17:25 < dbruns> GOARCH is 386...  should be amd64
17:26 < jspeter> anyone know how to flush stdout?
17:26 -!- engla [n=ulrik@90.229.231.23] has joined #go-nuts
17:27 < jspeter> (after a fmt.Printf?)
17:28 < exch> Not directly, but this should work..  all be it a bit of a
round-a-bout solution: r := budio.NewWriter(os.Stdout); r.WriteString("wahey!");
r.Flush();
17:28 < exch> *bufio
17:28 -!- Lorthirk [n=cm0901@host21-182-dynamic.56-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it]
has quit [Remote closed the connection]
17:29 < nbaum> exch: Surely that only flushes the buffered writer?
17:29 < exch> fmt.Printf() generally works better if you append a newline \n
to the string
17:29 < exch> isn't that the point?
17:30 < nbaum> It doesn't answer the question as I understand it.  jspeter's
stdout is probably buffered outside of Go, by the kernel.
17:31 < exch> fmt.Printf uses an io.Writer
17:31 < directrixx> jspeter: what exactly is the problem?  are you not
getting any output?
17:32 -!- path__ [n=path@115.240.43.36] has joined #go-nuts
17:32 -!- jspeter [n=quassel@216-12-25-120.unassigned.ntelos.net] has quit ["No
Ping reply in 180 seconds."]
17:33 < exch> scratch what I said.  it doesnt use io.writer.  only Fprintf
takes one.
17:33 -!- jspeter [n=quassel@216.12.25.120] has joined #go-nuts
17:33 < directrixx> jspeter: is the fmt.Printf in a goroutine?
17:33 -!- miloe [i=miloe@ip55-9.thenet.ph] has joined #go-nuts
17:33 < jspeter> no...  just a long loop
17:34 < jspeter> my wifi dropped for a moment...  were there any responses?
17:34 < directrixx> nope
17:34 < jspeter> hmm
17:34 < directrixx> jspeter: can you paste the code?
17:35 < jspeter> os.Stdout is a File
17:35 < dbruns> where can I find syntax highlighting for vim?
17:35 -!- jhendricks [n=jhendric@adsl-76-204-8-233.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has
joined #go-nuts
17:35 < exch> fmt.Printf() forwards it's call to FPrintf.
Fprintf(os.Stdout, format, v);
17:35 < directrixx> dbruns: misc/vim
17:35 < dbruns> sweet thanks
17:35 < jspeter> File has no Flush method
17:35 < exch> so creating a writer around os.Stdout manually should yield
the same result
17:35 < jspeter> package main
17:35 < jspeter> import "fmt"
17:35 < jspeter> /import "os"
17:35 < jspeter> func main() {
17:35 < jspeter> // how long will this run?:
17:35 < jspeter> i := 0;
17:35 < jspeter> thresh := 10;
17:35 < jspeter> for {
17:35 < jspeter> if i > thresh {
17:35 < jspeter> fmt.Printf("at %d\n",i);
17:35 < exch> :p
17:35 < directrixx> gah use gopaste.org
17:36 < jspeter> //os.Stdout.Flush();
17:36 < jspeter> thresh = thresh * 10;
17:36 < dbruns> the crappy thing about the name "go" is searchings on google
are not going to be very fruitful for a while . . .
17:36 < jspeter> }
17:36 < jspeter> }
17:36 < directrixx> you're not incrementing i
17:36 < dbruns> ....  searchings?  I think I created a new word ....
jspeter: pastie.org
17:36 < jspeter> hmm...  I see I forgot an i++
17:36 < directrixx> thresh = 10^n
17:36 < jspeter> but the question remains
17:37 < directrixx> i isn't going to catch up
17:37 -!- F1sh [n=Fish@86.65.182.194] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed
out)]
17:37 < rbohn> you never actually print anything.
17:37 < rbohn> i is always 0
17:37 < exch> :p
17:37 -!- lenst [n=user@81-237-244-185-no52.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Remote
closed the connection]
17:38 < directrixx> jspeter, did you mean thresh := 1 ...  thresh = thresh /
10
17:38 < exch> to answer the quesiotn in the comment: it'll probably run
forever.
17:38 -!- shambler [i=kingrat@mm-51-163-84-93.dynamic.pppoe.mgts.by] has joined
#go-nuts
17:39 < dbruns> I don't know the language at all
17:39 -!- path___ [n=path@115.240.43.98] has joined #go-nuts
17:39 < dbruns> but the for { } loop...  wouldn't that run forever
regardless?  there is nothing saying to escape the loop
17:39 < exch> indeed
17:39 -!- F1sh [n=Fish@86.65.182.194] has joined #go-nuts
17:39 < directrixx> dbruns: yeah you have to use break
17:39 < dbruns> besides the fact that i is never incremented
17:39 < directrixx> or goto!!!
17:40 -!- sm_ [n=sm@cpe-76-173-194-242.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts
17:40 -!- Nanoo [n=Nano@95-89-198-15-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts
17:41 < jspeter> maybe Stdout is unbuffered by default, and my many errors
just fooled me into thinking the output was stuck in a buffer
17:42 < jspeter> wow...  my IRC is really spastic
17:42 -!- path__ [n=path@115.240.43.36] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed
out)]
17:43 < jspeter> anyhow, yes...  there were many errors.  The question in
the comment is not pertinent.  And, I'm going with the "Stdout isn't buffered"
theory.
17:44 < jspeter> so, if I wanted a buffered Stdout, I could wrap it in a
bufio.Writer as exch mentions, and then flush the wrapper when desired.  Thanks
17:44 < jspeter> (btw, it's amazing how quickly a 32-bit integer wraps
around, these days...  had to upgrade to int64)
17:47 -!- drusepth [n=drusepth@209.106.203.252] has quit [Read error: 110
(Connection timed out)]
17:47 -!- path_ [n=path@115.240.6.26] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed
out)]
17:48 -!- ukl [n=ukl@f053122078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["...."]
17:48 -!- sm [n=sm@cpe-75-85-88-227.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 60
(Operation timed out)]
17:49 < dbruns> directrixx: so i wasn't able to figure this out too quickly
from reading/searching what do I need to do with the go.vim file in the misc/vim
directory to get it to work in vim?
17:49 < directrixx> put it in ~/.vim/syntax/
17:49 < dbruns> i haven't had to customize anything in vim for years
17:50 < directrixx> dbruns: then you might have to add a line to your .vimrc
if it doesn't work automatically
17:50 < dbruns> directrixx: ahhhh crap...  ubuntu uses vim-tiny by
default...
17:51 < dbruns> directrixx: yeah I have a custom .vimrc file i've been using
for 10+ years i'm doing this all on a brand new install of ubuntu so I'm still
getting settled on the system
17:51 -!- jspeter [n=quassel@216.12.25.120] has quit [Remote closed the
connection]
17:51 < directrixx> dbruns: I thought vim-tiny used .vim/ also
17:51 < dbruns> directrixx: the directory didn't exist
17:51 < directrixx> dbruns: create it, vim knows to look for it
17:51 < dbruns> and it was created after aptitude install vim finished
17:52 < directrixx> it'll be fine
17:52 < dbruns> i don't want to mess with vim-tiny anyway..  half of my
settings in my vimrc aren't working in tiny
17:52 < directrixx> fair enough
17:53 < dbruns> ok so my php syntax highlighting and everything is working
as it should, but when i open up this helloworld.go file i just created quickly,
nothing is going on with the syntax highlighting
17:53 < directrixx> put this in your .vimrc "au BufNewFile,BufReadPost *.go
so ~/.vim/syntax/go.vim"
17:54 < dbruns> holy crap this is fast....
17:54 -!- Nanooo [n=Nano@95-89-198-15-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Success]
17:55 < dbruns> ahh there we go
17:56 < dbruns> thanks
17:56 < directrixx> np
17:56 < dbruns> so, will i be as excited about this language as I was when I
first played with ruby?
17:56 < engla> directrixx: should it not be enough with ft=go
17:57 < directrixx> engla: yeah I just realized its kinda screwy to source
the vim file :P
17:57 < directrixx> I don't know why i did that
17:57 < engla> autocmd BufNewFile,BufRead *.go setlocal ft=go
17:58 -!- aho [n=nya@e176226039.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts
17:58 < engla> (ft is short for filetype)
17:58 < directrixx> engla: why setlocal instead of set?
17:58 -!- Jacolyte [n=blaine@unaffiliated/jacolyte] has quit [Read error: 110
(Connection timed out)]
17:58 -!- tsuru [n=user@c-174-50-217-160.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts
17:58 < exch> dbruns:At least you'll find that Go performss a little faster
than ruby :)
17:59 < dbruns> ;p
17:59 < dbruns> I'm a php web developer
17:59 < miloe> Go rules!
17:59 < engla> directrixx: dunno, I have just copied someone.  it sets it
only for the buffer: might it override other windows else?
17:59 < dbruns> so i don't get to do much 'real programming' very frequently
18:00 * atsampson nods at engla -- if you use "set" in that line, it'll change all
buffers
18:01 < hagna> to setup a unit testing do I need a makefile?
18:01 < engla> directrixx: doesn't seem to make a difference
18:01 < Ycros> hagna: no, but makefiles are generally a good idea to
automate everything
18:01 < engla> atsampson: I failed at reproducing it, but I rarely use split
buffers or so (might be that)
18:02 < rbohn> If you're using gotest you will need a makefile.
18:03 < hagna> rbohn: ok and do I need to put my code in the go src tree?
18:03 -!- WalterMundt1 [n=waltermu@wst100039.terc.edu] has joined #go-nuts
18:03 < rbohn> hagna: not sure about that.  I only got it working (outside
the src tree) when I put the tests in with my code-under-test.
18:03 < Ycros> rbohn: you don't, you can just run gotest
18:04 < rbohn> (same file)
18:04 -!- AlvaroGP [i=Alvaro@89.128.155.68] has joined #go-nuts
18:05 < Ycros> and I have my tests in a separate file
18:05 < Ycros> same package
18:05 < rbohn> I musta done something wrong then...
18:05 < Ycros> if you just run "gotest" it should pick them up and run them
18:06 < Ycros> or if you're piggybacking off go's makefiles (like I am) you
can run make test - but it basically does the same thing
18:07 < rbohn> When I run gotest it asks me to create a Makefile.
18:07 < hagna> same here
18:08 < Ycros> oh, really?  hmm.
18:08 < ptolomy2> I wish gotest were more friendly to those of us who like
to create multiple packages without installing them.
18:08 < Ycros> I guess I never noticed because I had a makefile from the
start
18:08 < hagna> but after creating one it's happy
18:09 -!- pshahmumbai [n=prashant@59.164.25.193] has joined #go-nuts
18:09 < exch> http://github.com/jteeuwen/go-pkg-pcre/blob/master/Makefile
that is the Makefile I use to do what Ycros described.  you can run 'make test'
with that and it automatically builds.runs the test case
18:09 < Ycros> ptolomy2: you mean, installing them into a custom location?
18:10 < exch> that would be nice to have
18:10 -!- lemon [n=lemon@114-45-233-128.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #Go-nuts
18:11 < exch> actually it works
18:11 < Ycros> my Makefile just looks like this: http://pastie.org/707911
18:11 < Ycros> basically the same
18:11 < exch> Just tried it on my pcre lib outside of the src/pkg tree.
runs without any problems
18:12 -!- Sungem [n=Sungem@118-168-232-141.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #go-nuts
18:12 -!- lemon [n=lemon@114-45-233-128.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit]
18:13 -!- ProperNoun [i=ProperNo@adsl-243-220-206.cae.bellsouth.net] has joined
#go-nuts
18:13 < Ycros> I've been doing stuff outside of the tree
18:13 < Ycros> make install will install it into the tree though
18:13 < Ycros> which I suppose is fine for now
18:13 < exch> ya
18:14 < Ycros> I'm not sure we're really supposed to be piggybacking onto
the go Makefiles, but it certainly is conventient
18:14 -!- gasreaa [n=atwong@nat/slide/x-jdzwglabqugwcljw] has joined #go-nuts
18:19 < vz> :D
18:20 -!- eiro_ [n=marc@phear.org] has joined #go-nuts
18:20 < exch> "Compiling successfully failed" My brain has a little trouble
understanding that :p
18:21 < exch> hm.  I hope the go team can supply a fix for my cgo issue at
some point :s Would live to finish up the lua bindings
18:21 < exch> *love
18:22 -!- XniX23 [n=XniX23@we.will.never-be.afraid.org] has joined #go-nuts
18:22 < Ycros> hehe
18:24 -!- eiro [n=marc@phear.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed
out)]
18:26 -!- path_ [n=path@115.240.126.64] has joined #go-nuts
18:26 < dho> anybody know where the clone syscall implementation lives in
linux?
18:27 < vhold> Don't all syscall implementations live in the kernel itself ?
18:27 < dho> yes, and i'm having difficulty finding where
18:29 < atsampson> dho: most of the guts are in kernel/fork.c
18:29 -!- mxcl [n=mxcl@94-193-125-246.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has joined #go-nuts
18:29 < dho> thank you
18:29 -!- path_ [n=path@115.240.126.64] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection
reset by peer)]
18:29 -!- pshahmumbai [n=prashant@59.164.25.193] has quit ["Ex-Chat"]
18:29 -!- path_ [n=path@115.240.126.64] has joined #go-nuts
18:33 -!- AlvaroGP [i=Alvaro@89.128.155.68] has quit []
18:33 -!- path___ [n=path@115.240.43.98] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection
timed out)]
18:35 -!- willdye [n=willdye@fern.dsndata.com] has left #go-nuts []
18:37 -!- willdye [n=willdye@fern.dsndata.com] has joined #go-nuts
18:41 -!- mrdek11 [n=derek@c-67-186-234-32.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined
#go-nuts
18:41 < willdye> exch: "successfully failed" does seem confusing.  if it
"failed to fail", would that mean that it succeeded?  :)
18:43 -!- maruel [n=maruel_2@google1.osuosl.org] has joined #go-nuts
18:43 -!- path__ [n=path@115.240.126.64] has joined #go-nuts
18:43 < mrdek11> Does go have an equivalent system() to run a shell command?
18:43 -!- brrant [n=John@65-102-193-77.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit ["Leaving"]
18:43 -!- hector [n=chatzill@client-86-0-126-58.nrth.adsl.virginmedia.com] has
joined #go-nuts
18:46 < exch> willdye: In this case the failure was expected.  If it didn't
fail, it would be a failure :p
18:46 -!- skyfive [n=skyfive@173-11-110-86-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit
[Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)]
18:47 -!- jeroend [n=jeroend@76.73.16.26] has quit ["CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)"]
18:47 -!- skyfive [n=skyfive@173-11-110-86-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has
joined #go-nuts
18:48 -!- Pilate [n=wotgoes@75.141.254.198] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection
reset by peer)]
18:48 -!- sliceofpi [n=Adium@c-98-201-183-147.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined
#go-nuts
18:48 <+iant> mrdek11: no, you have to invoke /bin/sh via pkg/exec; a system
like function would be a good add
18:48 -!- aaront [n=aaront@mc-189-212.IPReg.mcmaster.ca] has joined #go-nuts
18:48 < mrdek11> ah ok
18:48 < mrdek11> thanks
18:50 -!- dbruns [n=dbruns@69.66.68.21] has quit [Client Quit]
18:50 < willdye> exch: yeah, i figured it was referring to a two-step
procedure in which the first step had already failed.  still, the message should
be rephrased, especially in the case of "failed to fail".
18:53 -!- diabolix [n=jsoyke@206.210.81.55] has joined #go-nuts
18:53 -!- ptolomy2 [n=chatzill@nat/google/x-walndfcfixwknrcl] has quit [Remote
closed the connection]
18:57 -!- conra [n=konrad@host-89-229-12-166.torun.mm.pl] has quit ["Leaving."]
18:58 < Gracenotes> monads are nice for failure handling
19:00 -!- xjih78 [i=z0r0@90.154.213.217] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection
timed out)]
19:02 -!- x-ip [n=sakura@unaffiliated/x-ip] has joined #go-nuts
19:02 -!- codehai [n=codehai@xdsl-78-34-36-14.netcologne.de] has joined #go-nuts
19:03 -!- path__ [n=path@115.240.126.64] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection
timed out)]
19:04 < uriel> good morning everyone
19:04 < exch> lo
19:04 -!- path_ [n=path@115.240.126.64] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection
timed out)]
19:08 < mrdek11> I apologize for my ignorance, but what am I doing wrong?
http://pastebin.com/m77682395 I'm trying to use exec to call curl to get the
contents of a webpage
19:10 -!- p0g0_ [n=pogo@unaffiliated/p0g0] has quit [Connection timed out]
19:10 -!- aaront [n=aaront@unaffiliated/aaront] has quit [Remote closed the
connection]
19:11 -!- loVolt [n=richardm@mail.norco.com] has joined #go-nuts
19:13 < atsampson> mrdek11: exec.Run is like the exec* system calls -- the
list of arguments needs to include the program name as the first argument
19:14 < atsampson> so you'd call exec.Run("/usr/bin/curl", {"curl",
"http://whatever"}, ...)
19:14 < exch> O.o
19:15 < KirkMcDonald> Or just: args := []string{"/usr/bin/curl",
"http://blah"}; exec.Run(args[0], args)
19:17 -!- trickie [n=trickie@86.93.227.181] has joined #go-nuts
19:18 -!- trickie [n=trickie@86.93.227.181] has quit [Client Quit]
19:18 -!- BLeAm [n=quassel@ppp-124-120-163-223.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined
#go-nuts
19:18 -!- crooter [n=crooter@li65-15.members.linode.com] has joined #go-nuts
19:20 -!- xjih78 [i=z0r0@90.154.213.217] has joined #go-nuts
19:20 -!- evilhackerdude [n=stephan@mue-88-130-111-114.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit
[Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
19:22 -!- Associat0r [n=Associat@h163153.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit []
19:23 -!- BLeAm [n=quassel@ppp-124-120-163-223.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit
[Remote closed the connection]
19:23 -!- aaront [n=aaront@mc-189-212.IPReg.mcmaster.ca] has joined #go-nuts
19:24 < droid001> iant: by runtime.GOMAXPROCS(x) gccgo linker breaks with
undefined reference to `runtime.GOMAXPROCS'
19:25 -!- melba [n=blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection
reset by peer)]
19:25 -!- melba [n=blee@unaffiliated/lazz0] has joined #go-nuts
19:28 < Gracenotes> libcurl bindings are useful
19:28 < uriel> Gracenotes: ah, somebody wrote them already?
19:28 < uriel> (sorry, didn't have time to look over backlog yet)
19:28 < Gracenotes> even if you have your own HTTP library..  there are
features in curl way above the protocol level..  oh, no one's written them yet
afaik, for Go anyway :)
19:28 -!- raichoo [n=raichoo@i577B8EC7.versanet.de] has quit
["http://raichoo.blogspot.com"]
19:29 < uriel> i see
19:29 -!- p0g0 [n=pogo@unaffiliated/p0g0] has joined #go-nuts
19:29 < uriel> well, I would prefer to see the go http libs improved
instead, but hey, bindings can be useful too
19:29 -!- bluemoon_ [n=bluemoon@c-98-225-14-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit
[Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)]
19:29 -!- gnuvince [n=vince@64.235.207.47] has quit ["What the fruit is goin' on
here!?"]
19:30 -!- chrelad [n=chrelad@76.164.12.11] has joined #go-nuts
19:30 -!- gnuvince [n=vince@70.35.161.13] has joined #go-nuts
19:30 -!- chrelad [n=chrelad@76.164.12.11] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
19:32 -!- miloe [i=miloe@ip55-9.thenet.ph] has quit []
19:34 < mrdek11> atsampson, kirkmcdonald: Thanks for the help!  That worked!
(Sorry I'm so late responding.)
19:34 < exch> uriel, you listed curl bindings on your site
19:34 -!- rajeshsr [n=rajeshsr@59.92.66.37] has quit [Remote closed the
connection]
19:34 < exch> or not
19:34 < exch> it's curse bindings :p
19:34 * exch makes a note on his TODO list.
19:36 -!- asyncster [n=asyncste@206.169.213.106] has joined #go-nuts
19:36 < uriel> hehe
19:37 < asyncster> is anyone else getting a build break on "making cmd/cgo"
19:37 * uriel adds the bmp and bdd libs to the list of pure go libs
19:37 < uriel> asyncster: I think some people were, I seem to remember from
the mailing list
19:37 -!- dga [n=dga@CMU-309108.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has joined #go-nuts
19:37 < asyncster> 8l: conflicting definitions for regexp.Regexp
19:38 < dga> Ah. I see someone else is asking my question.  :)
19:38 < asyncster> haha
19:38 < poe> Gracenotes intereseting, what feature for example?
19:38 -!- apeace [n=apeace@c-24-61-22-9.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts
19:39 < dho> r@ is doing some work on it
19:40 < exch> asyncster: I had that to.  un the build again.  should be
solved then
19:41 < exch> I think it's a dependency issue where regexp lib isn't built
yet while doc needs it
19:41 -!- trickie [n=trickie@86.93.227.181] has joined #go-nuts
19:42 < dho> just do ./clean.bash and then ./make.bash
19:42 < dho> that seems to fix things.
19:42 < asyncster> ah, okay, ill try that
19:42 < asyncster> by the way is anyone working on a better http library?
19:43 < dho> Gracenotes was just talking about something like that
19:43 -!- trutkin [n=trutkin@64.1.25.210.ptr.us.xo.net] has left #go-nuts
["Leaving"]
19:43 < uriel> with so many libs, i strarted to try to organize things a
bit, suggestions and comments welcome: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/pure-go-libs
19:44 -!- jabb [n=grue@71.94.31.166] has joined #go-nuts
19:44 < Gracenotes> poe: all the things curl can do, with all its protocols
19:46 -!- apeace [n=apeace@c-24-61-22-9.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #go-nuts []
19:46 -!- aaront [n=aaront@unaffiliated/aaront] has quit [Read error: 110
(Connection timed out)]
19:46 < Nanoo> uriel, maybe add this http://github.com/ajray/go-play
19:46 < Nanoo> stuff about irc etc
19:47 -!- willdye [n=willdye@fern.dsndata.com] has left #go-nuts []
19:47 -!- p0g0 [n=pogo@unaffiliated/p0g0] has quit [Connection timed out]
19:48 < uriel> Nanoo: yes, lots of cool stuff there, but I would prefer if
it was each in its own repo, hard to organize otherwise (and when/if it moves, I
have to update the links :/)
19:48 -!- mrdek11 [n=derek@c-67-186-234-32.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has left #go-nuts
[]
19:48 < Nanoo> that's true
19:48 < uriel> anyway, I'm going to work on a wiki so everyone can help keep
things updated..
19:48 < uriel> should make a fun go project too
19:48 < exch> irc seems to be a popular subject :p Yuo can add my go bot to
it as well soon enough
19:48 < uriel> exch: link?
19:48 < exch> not yet public
19:48 < dga> selection bias, exch.  popular among people in the irc channel.
:)
19:49 < exch> hehe true
19:49 < uriel> dga: touche
19:50 -!- franksalim [n=frank@76.221.202.115] has quit ["Ex-Chat"]
19:50 -!- feamcor [n=feamcor@196.210.237.204] has joined #go-nuts
19:51 -!- feamcor [n=feamcor@196.210.237.204] has quit [Client Quit]
19:53 < uriel> anyone can think of a neat name for a 'planet' of Go blogs?
19:53 < uriel> (Planet Go is already taken by people that plays the game of
go)
19:54 -!- afurlan [n=afurlan@scorpion.mps.com.br] has quit ["Leaving"]
19:54 -!- AlvaroGP [i=Alvaro@89.128.155.68] has joined #go-nuts
19:54 -!- mitchellh [n=mitchell@c-71-231-140-22.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined
#go-nuts
19:55 < nbaum> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplanetary_Transport_Network
19:55 < sladegen> goplane
19:55 < sladegen> goagora ;)
19:56 < sladegen> golangism
19:56 -!- flyguy [n=flyguy@66-169-174-29.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has quit
["leaving"]
19:56 < dagle2> Go home?
19:56 < uriel> dga: romani?
19:56 < uriel> er dagle2
19:56 < sladegen> IT go home!
19:57 < dagle2> uriel: Didn't like it?  XD
19:57 < sladegen> bloGOsphere ;)
19:58 < drhodes> Argonauts
19:58 -!- huhwayee [n=adam@c-2be2e055.1210-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se]
has joined #go-nuts
19:58 -!- trickie [n=trickie@86.93.227.181] has quit ["Computer has gone to
sleep"]
19:58 < drhodes> straigt from greep mythology, in following the convention
of planet names
19:59 < sladegen> planet go round and round
19:59 -!- aaront [n=aaront@mc-189-212.IPReg.mcmaster.ca] has joined #go-nuts
20:00 < uriel> drhodes: actually, IIRC there are some moons or something
called after argonauts..
20:00 < uriel> (wish I could remember)
20:00 < dga> eGO.
20:00 < dga> :)
20:00 < uriel> sladegen: the planet go round and round is a fun one :)
20:00 -!- Kashia [n=Kashia@port-92-200-47-208.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read
error: 113 (No route to host)]
20:01 < dga> merry-go-round, too, based on that idea.
20:01 -!- rrr_ [i=rrr@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x9230E18F] has joined #go-nuts
20:01 -!- Nanooo [n=Nano@95-89-198-15-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts
20:01 < uriel> drhodes: although perhaps Argos might be a better name for
the planet?
20:01 < s_mosher> uriel, wakusei go
20:01 < sladegen> or on the same note: planet go routine
20:02 -!- mAxishere [n=chatzill@116.72.211.88] has joined #go-nuts
20:02 < drhodes> Argos sounds like a much better name
20:02 < s_mosher> of course that should "go wakusei" and would come out
"planet 5"
20:02 < dga> "go routine" would be a great name for the CPAN equivalent for
go.  :)
20:02 < uriel> http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Argos_(planet)
20:03 -!- dga [n=dga@CMU-309108.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit ["leaving"]
20:03 < uriel> although Argos would be a good name for an OS written in go
;P
20:04 < sladegen> planet go to or not to go.
20:04 < s_mosher> "space channel go" (I miss the dreamcast)
20:04 < uriel> heh
20:04 < uriel> s_mosher: Planet 5 is a good one...
20:05 < s_mosher> I do like it actually
20:05 < uriel> specially given that there is already planet9:
http://planet9.cat-v.org :))
20:08 < uriel> ok, thanks for everyone that contributed funnier names, but
will stick with Planet 5, that way we keep the other names free for more deserving
go projects ;)
20:08 < s_mosher> I've been thinking go = 5 ever since the hello world with
japanese text
20:09 < s_mosher> 'world' works for 'planet', too
20:09 -!- elmar [n=elmar@dslb-084-059-070-234.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined
#go-nuts
20:10 < uriel> world 5 then?
20:12 < s_mosher> sure, whatever you like best I think.  I'm not too picky.
20:13 < sladegen> universe?  heh, to presumtious.
20:14 -!- ring-zero [n=hotshot@117.199.136.54] has quit ["Leaving"]
20:14 < KirkMcDonald> Could be obvious and go with "Jupiter."
20:15 -!- aaront [n=aaront@unaffiliated/aaront] has quit ["And that's all he
wrote..."]
20:16 -!- crooter [n=crooter@li65-15.members.linode.com] has left #go-nuts []
20:16 -!- evilhackerdude [n=stephan@dslb-084-062-192-073.pools.arcor-ip.net] has
joined #go-nuts
20:18 -!- aa [n=aa@r200-40-114-26.ae-static.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote
closed the connection]
20:18 -!- Killerkid [n=l1am9111@host81-129-160-210.range81-129.btcentralplus.com]
has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
20:18 -!- cmarcelo [n=quassel@enlightenment/developer/cmarcelo] has quit [Remote
closed the connection]
20:18 -!- Nanoo [n=Nano@95-89-198-15-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error:
110 (Connection timed out)]
20:19 -!- rog [n=rog@89.241.23.202] has quit []
20:21 -!- flyfish [n=flyfish@pixout.appriss.com] has joined #go-nuts
20:21 -!- Killerkid [n=l1am9111@host86-168-206-175.range86-168.btcentralplus.com]
has joined #go-nuts
20:21 -!- creack [n=creack@ip-67.net-80-236-112.lhaylesroses.rev.numericable.fr]
has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20:22 -!- asmo [n=asmo@c-f6c5e055.1155-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has
quit [Remote closed the connection]
20:23 < jabb> no default parameters in go?
20:24 < dagle2> jabb: in switch/case?
20:24 < jabb> function parameters
20:25 < jabb> func f(a int, b int, c int = 10) { }
20:25 < dagle2> I understood that.  And I think no.
20:26 < dagle2> That would allow you to call a functions f(4,2) and it would
become f(4,2,10)
20:26 < dagle2> Think that is a bad.
20:27 < dagle2> Better to do func dosomething(a, b, c int) ,
dosometingdefault(a,b){ dosomething(a, b, 10); }
20:27 -!- sm_ [n=sm@cpe-76-173-194-242.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts
20:27 < scandal> you can sort of fake it if you make your function accept a
struct, because you don't need to specify values for all members.
20:28 < uriel> if you need default parameters, your function has too many
parameters
20:28 < jabb> that seems ugly
20:28 < uriel> IMHO
20:28 < dagle2> scandal: Then they become 0?
20:28 -!- bquinn [n=bquinn@office.velleman.com] has joined #go-nuts
20:28 < scandal> dagle2: yes
20:29 < rullie> it'd be nice if go had optional param
20:29 < dagle2> jabb: You can do it as a oneliner...  Not that ugly tbh.
20:29 -!- rovar [i=c7aca907@gateway/web/freenode/x-abkyxgrxrehbprya] has joined
#go-nuts
20:30 < rovar> quick question, can one define functions inline in go?  Is
there an example?
20:30 < scandal> rovar: no
20:30 < scandal> well, wait, depends on what you mean by "inline"
20:31 < scandal> if you mean inline like c++, then no
20:31 < rovar> I can assign a function to a var, but I can't define a
function in the parameter list of another function, correct?
20:31 < rovar> sorry..  not that kind of inline
20:31 < Gracenotes> optional parameters do require a bit of overhead
20:31 < scandal> rovar: yes, func(args..) ret { body }
20:32 < uriel> ok folks, first try: http://planet5.cat-v.org/
20:32 < scandal> ie, Map(func(v interface{}) interface{}) { return v.(int)*2
}, vect.Iter())
20:32 < uriel> and please start sending me links to any go-related blogs
20:32 < Gracenotes> uriel: perhaps also go posts from non-go blogs
20:32 < uriel> (still need to work on a logo that replaced Glenda with
Gordon)
20:33 < uriel> Gracenotes: planets agregate whole blogs, it is hard to do
that...
20:33 < uriel> we can add any feed that reasonably often includes Go related
posts..
20:33 < uriel> (or that of anyone involved with go itself)
20:33 < Gracenotes> eh.
20:33 -!- andrzejsliwa [n=andrzej_@host-81-190-167-141.gorzow.mm.pl] has joined
#go-nuts
20:34 -!- engla [n=ulrik@wikipedia/Sverdrup] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection
timed out)]
20:36 -!- trickie [n=trickie@86.93.227.181] has joined #go-nuts
20:37 -!- napsy [n=luka@88.200.96.14] has joined #go-nuts
20:37 < napsy> Hello.  Can I return multiple value from a function in go?
20:37 < napsy> *values
20:37 < uriel> napsy: yes
20:37 < napsy> return a, b doesn't work
20:38 -!- trickie [n=trickie@86.93.227.181] has quit [Client Quit]
20:38 -!- sm [n=sm@cpe-76-173-194-242.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110
(Connection timed out)]
20:38 < uriel> napsy: you have to include the multiple values in the
function declaration
20:38 < melba> uriel, this page is huge
20:38 -!- trickie [n=trickie@86.93.227.181] has joined #go-nuts
20:38 < uriel> what page?
20:38 < melba> http://planet5.cat-v.org/
20:38 < uriel> heh, it picked up old posts from russ and other people
20:39 <+iant> droid001: good point about GOMAXPROCS in gccgo, it doesn't
mean anything in gccgo but I still need to arrange to define it to do nothing
20:45 < droid001> yes, I use it in 6g and then the program doesn't compile
with gccgo ...
20:48 -!- brown` [n=user@72.14.228.129] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20:48 -!- taaz [n=dlehn@pool-71-171-26-87.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has left
#go-nuts []
20:49 < rovar> how can I convert a (type foo int) to int ?
20:50 <+iant> rovar: int(v)
20:50 < rovar> gotcha..
20:52 -!- ryniek [n=RYNIEK@host-89-231-127-96.warszawa.mm.pl] has joined #go-nuts
20:52 -!- AlvaroGP [i=Alvaro@89.128.155.68] has quit []
20:53 < ryniek> hi
20:53 -!- rog [n=rog@89.241.23.202] has joined #go-nuts
21:00 < dho> iant: why doesn't it mean anything in gccgo?
21:01 < dagle2> The number 10-20% slower is that just a number, because it's
not that "optimized"?  Or can't go be as fast as C because of the design?  Not
that really care that much about speed.
21:01 -!- itrekkie [n=itrekkie@ip72-200-108-156.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit []
21:01 -!- sergio [n=sergio@unaffiliated/sergio] has quit [Remote closed the
connection]
21:03 -!- Fish [n=Fish@78.238.225.114] has joined #go-nuts
21:03 -!- bquinn [n=bquinn@office.velleman.com] has quit []
21:05 -!- FeyyazEsat [n=feyyazes@85.107.220.15] has joined #go-nuts
21:06 -!- FeyyazEsat [n=feyyazes@85.107.220.15] has left #go-nuts []
21:06 < uriel> dagle2: any general performance numbers are going to be 'just
numbers'
21:06 < uriel> dagle2: a garbage collector has some performance penalties,
but also has some performance benefits
21:06 < uriel> in short, it is going to depend very much on your application
21:07 < dagle2> uriel: Yeah.  Was thinking without the GC.
21:07 -!- mgdm [n=michael@pdpc/supporter/professional/mechanical-male] has left
#go-nuts []
21:07 < uriel> right now, from what I have seen, the main bottleneck is the
libraries, where there is plenty of low hanging fruit for optimization
21:07 < uriel> a new much better gc is also planned, but at the moement I
don't think that would make such a huge difference, but maybe iant knows better
21:07 <+iant> dho: it doesn't mean anything because at the moment gccgo puts
every goroutine in its own pthread
21:08 < dagle2> Was more thinking about grouping functions with structs
makes things go slower by design or something like that.
21:08 -!- flyfish [n=flyfish@pixout.appriss.com] has quit []
21:08 <+iant> I don't think the new gc will affect performance overall too
much, though it should avoid gc pauses
21:10 -!- flyfish [n=flyfish@pixout.appriss.com] has joined #go-nuts
21:10 -!- npe [n=npe@94-224-251-223.access.telenet.be] has joined #go-nuts
21:11 -!- david_ricardo [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has joined
#go-nuts
21:11 -!- kmc [n=keegan@98.140.110.255] has joined #go-nuts
21:11 -!- brrant [n=John@65-102-193-77.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #go-nuts
21:14 -!- bquinn [n=bquinn@office.velleman.com] has joined #go-nuts
21:14 -!- bquinn [n=bquinn@office.velleman.com] has quit [Client Quit]
21:17 < scandal> i was happy to see the builtin copy() function.
21:19 -!- asmo [n=asmo@c-f6c5e055.1155-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has
joined #go-nuts
21:21 -!- adam_smith [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read
error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
21:22 < quag> uriel: that approach of doing exceptions in go by using
goroutines is almost exactly how the Io language does it's exceptions.
21:23 < quag> Like go Io has coroutines and stacks that grow.
21:25 -!- erzr- [n=adam@70.16.73.168] has joined #go-nuts
21:25 -!- chachan [n=chachan@ccscliente156.ifxnetworks.net.ve] has quit ["KVIrc
Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090520, built on: 2009/06/06 11:44:47
UTC http://www.kvirc.net/"]
21:26 -!- CIA-14 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has left #go-nuts []
21:28 < napsy> *valuesHello.  Why does this segfault:
http://gopaste.org/pa55K
21:29 < rbohn> Your reader isn't connected to anything.
21:29 < Nanooo> why doesn't it have syntax highlighting?
21:29 < alexsuraci> Nanooo: because of "print()"
21:30 < alexsuraci> changing it to fmt.Print lets it parse correctly so it
gets the hilighting
21:30 < napsy> how do I connect the reader?
21:31 -!- djanderson [n=dja@hltncable.pioneerbroadband.net] has joined #go-nuts
21:31 < napsy> http://gopaste.org/45D2A
21:31 < napsy> so how do I connect the reader?
21:31 < alexsuraci> napsy: you may want "var s []byte = make([]byte, 20);"
21:32 < alexsuraci> not sure if it's related to the segfault
21:34 -!- sockmonk [n=user@pixout.appriss.com] has quit [Connection timed out]
21:35 -!- ejb [n=ejb@unaffiliated/ejb] has joined #go-nuts
21:39 < rbohn> What do you want to read?  os.Stdin.Read(s) if you want to
read stdin.
21:39 < napsy> from keyboard
21:39 -!- andrzejsliwa [n=andrzej_@host-81-190-167-141.gorzow.mm.pl] has quit []
21:40 < rbohn> Yeah, var r = os.Stdin;
21:41 < exch> uriel: http://github.com/jteeuwen/go-app-irc/
21:42 -!- adam_smith [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read
error: 145 (Connection timed out)]
21:43 -!- Adys [n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation
timed out)]
21:43 < napsy> rbohn: thanks
21:43 < rbohn> :) no problem!
21:45 < uriel> exch: awesome
21:46 < exch> that'll be a work in progress, but the irc bit is done.
21:46 < exch> now I need to get my lua lib done so I can add plugins
21:46 -!- foxspurlock [n=Brian@cpe-74-66-16-82.nyc.res.rr.com] has left #go-nuts
[]
21:46 < uriel> iant: when you have a sec, can you add this post-commit hook
to the go google project?  http://cia.vc/deliver/simplejson/
21:46 < uriel> that will give us irc-commit notifications
21:47 < uriel> exch: hehehe
21:47 < dho> uriel: does googlecode support that?
21:48 < dho> (CIA in here = even more chatty)
21:48 < dho> you can get email commits...
21:48 < uriel> yes
21:48 < uriel> exch: do you really have to depend on pcre :(((
21:51 < exch> haha for now, yes
21:51 -!- Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has quit ["Ex-Chat"]
21:52 -!- jhendricks [n=jhendric@adsl-76-204-8-233.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has
quit ["Leaving"]
21:53 < uriel> exch: also, why bother supporting multiple networks, or even
multiple channels?  just run one instance per channel..  it is the unix way
21:53 -!- adam_smith [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has joined
#go-nuts
21:54 -!- Rob_Russell [n=chatzill@206-248-157-156.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined
#go-nuts
21:54 < exch> I like to think big :)
21:55 < exch> it can use a lot of work.  I'll give you that.  IRC bots are
just my version of hello world.  I measure a language's strengths by how easy it
is to write one.  If it can come close to the complexity and awesome of my C# bot,
i'll be happy :p
21:55 < uriel> be careful not to confuse 'thinking big' with making your
problems harder than they need to be
21:56 < exch> no problem with multiple networks really.  Besides.  My lpugin
framework handles multiple sources (networks and channels) just fine.
21:56 < kfx> does it do ssl
21:57 < exch> the Go bot doesnt
21:57 < exch> so far only my C# one does
21:57 < exch> Don't think Go comes with SSL stream support yet
21:57 < exch> Either that or I havn't fuond it yet
21:57 -!- aaront [n=aaront@d24-141-25-171.home.cgocable.net] has joined #go-nuts
21:59 < uriel> I have seen some commits relating to ssl
21:59 < scandal> exch: have you looked at crypto/tls ?
21:59 < uriel> I don't think it is finished, but there was an initial tls
already
21:59 < exch> scandal: not yet
21:59 < exch> uriel: nice
21:59 < uriel> heh, scandal is sharper than me :)
21:59 < exch> would be good to see ssl supported
22:00 < scandal> uriel: I guess I had the benefit of a shorter message ;)
22:00 < Fish> x509 support is quite complex
22:01 < uriel> indeed
22:02 * uriel still fears that Go might fall into the utah2000 trap...  but I hope
rob has a plan for that :)
22:02 -!- adam_smith [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read
error: 145 (Connection timed out)]
22:03 -!- evilhackerdude [n=stephan@dslb-084-062-192-073.pools.arcor-ip.net] has
quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
22:04 < scandal> what's the over/under on the first "go is dead" post to
slashdot/reddit?  :)
22:05 < rbohn> Rob is bribing olympic officials?
22:06 < KragenSitaker> utah2000?
22:06 < uriel> rob won an olymic silver medal!
22:06 -!- engla [n=ulrik@90-229-231-23-no153.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #go-nuts
22:06 < atsampson> KragenSitaker: his paper about systems research being
irrelevant...
22:06 < directrixx> uriel: Archery right?
22:06 < uriel> KragenSitaker: http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/utah2000/
22:07 < uriel> directrixx: yes
22:07 < atsampson> I'd sort of assumed he'd changed his mind in the last 9
years, which would be a relief to those of us doing systems research ;)
22:07 < uriel> i doubt it
22:08 < uriel> the core of the argument is factual, and things have only got
worse
22:08 < uriel> the number and complexity of externally imposed standards you
have to conform to has dramatically increased
22:09 -!- adam_smith [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has joined
#go-nuts
22:09 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed
out)]
22:10 < Fish> in a fairly recent interview, he said he hasn't changed his
opinion
22:10 < uriel> Fish: what interview was that?
22:11 < uriel> i did see him in a panel discussion about research and he was
scathing as ever
22:11 < Fish> his interview on slashdot
22:11 < uriel> heh, that is not too recent :) but yea, more recent than
utah2000
22:11 < Fish> not very recent, but more than his presentation :)
22:12 -!- rovar [i=c7aca907@gateway/web/freenode/x-abkyxgrxrehbprya] has quit
["Page closed"]
22:13 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #go-nuts
22:14 < Fish> even firefox doesn't fully support x509
22:15 < uriel> even apache doesn't fully support http...  that gives you an
indication of how deep down the utah2k rabbit hole we have gone
22:16 < Fish> yes :)
22:17 -!- drusepth [n=drusepth@adsl-76-194-200-106.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has
joined #go-nuts
22:17 -!- x-ip [n=sakura@unaffiliated/x-ip] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection
timed out)]
22:18 -!- drusepth` [n=drusepth@adsl-76-194-200-106.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has
joined #go-nuts
22:20 < clip9> Hold on to your hats: http://twitter.com/cern
22:22 < exch> pew pew
22:23 < exch> shooting an expensive lazer around a large bend seems to make
for good doomsday story telling
22:24 < vsmatck> It's not a laser.
22:24 -!- q[mrw] [n=russd@willers.employees.org] has joined #go-nuts
22:25 < exch> no really?  ;p
22:25 -!- drusepth [n=drusepth@adsl-76-194-200-106.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has
quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
22:25 < vsmatck> How does your joke make sense?  I don't get it.
22:25 < exch> it's not a joke.  It's sarcasm.
22:29 < yiyus> nice, I just finished my first go pkg:
http://hg.4l77.com/go/brainfuck/
22:29 -!- me___ [n=venkates@c-68-55-179-48.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined
#go-nuts
22:29 < exch> heh nice.
22:30 < uriel> yiyus: hey!  congrats!
22:30 < yiyus> uriel: it is a toy
22:30 < yiyus> but it was funny!  :)
22:30 -!- nutate [n=rseymour@cacsag4.usc.edu] has joined #go-nuts
22:31 < uriel> having fun is the whole point :)
22:31 < djm> dho: how are you getting on with go + fbsd?
22:31 < andguent> yiyus: did you notice turing.go in the tests directory?
22:31 < me___> dho: hi!  how did your talk go?
22:31 -!- ajhager [n=ajhager@c-69-136-3-186.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit ["A way
a lone a last a loved a long the..."]
22:31 < uriel> djm: AFAIK it is supposed to work all fine now
22:32 < uriel> (I think dho is still polishing some edges, but most stuff
should work)
22:32 -!- ikke [n=1kk3@unaffiliated/ikkebr] has joined #go-nuts
22:32 < yiyus> andguent: yes, as a matter of fact i took that as the base
and added a couple a function, the makefile and a test, nothing else
22:32 -!- diabolix [n=jsoyke@206.210.81.55] has quit ["Leaving"]
22:33 < andguent> yiyus: it looked familiar.  so i asked ;)
22:33 < yiyus> but the plan is to implement a vm package with ngaro virtual
machines which i can connect through chanels and use as a multicore forth chip
22:33 < yiyus> i have the ngaro port almost finished, but i have to decide
how to arrange io ports
22:34 < uriel> hah!  fun, fun, fun
22:34 < yiyus> and i think it is a very good example of the use of chanels
22:34 < yiyus> because it maps to physical concepts in cpus, which everybody
knows
22:35 < djm> uriel: thanks :) I see GOOS can be freebsd now
22:36 -!- ths [n=ths@213.144.157.106] has joined #go-nuts
22:37 -!- ths [n=ths@213.144.157.106] has left #go-nuts []
22:38 -!- Nanooo [n=Nano@95-89-198-15-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Client Quit]
22:38 -!- adam_smith [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read
error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
22:41 -!- Fish [n=Fish@78.238.225.114] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
22:41 -!- ths [n=ths@213.144.157.106] has joined #go-nuts
22:44 -!- ryniek [n=RYNIEK@host-89-231-127-96.warszawa.mm.pl] has quit ["X-Chat
det :"<"]
22:44 -!- ths [n=ths@213.144.157.106] has left #go-nuts ["bye"]
22:46 -!- flyfish [n=flyfish@pixout.appriss.com] has quit []
22:47 -!- ericmoritz\0 [n=ericmori@c-76-123-248-214.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has
joined #go-nuts
22:48 -!- skyfive [n=skyfive@173-11-110-86-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit
[Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
22:49 -!- skyfive [n=skyfive@173-11-110-86-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has
joined #go-nuts
22:52 -!- skammer [n=skammer@79.139.145.242] has joined #go-nuts
22:56 -!- lolsuper_ [n=super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Read
error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)]
22:56 -!- lolsuper_ [n=super_@pool-173-65-48-13.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has
joined #go-nuts
23:00 -!- skammer [n=skammer@79.139.145.242] has quit [Client Quit]
23:01 -!- napsy [n=luka@88.200.96.14] has quit ["Lost terminal"]
23:01 -!- Anders__ [n=Anders@c83-253-2-206.bredband.comhem.se] has quit ["Lämnar"]
23:01 -!- jdp [n=justin@ool-435238c0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote closed
the connection]
23:01 -!- pathorn1 [n=pathorn@136.152.170.253] has joined #go-nuts
23:02 -!- ide [n=chatzill@136.152.170.253] has joined #go-nuts
23:02 -!- skammer [n=skammer@79.139.145.242] has joined #go-nuts
23:06 < scandal> hmm, anyone looked at the exception push today?
23:07 -!- s_mosher [n=smosher@bas1-ottawa10-1279302916.dsl.bell.ca] has quit
[Remote closed the connection]
23:07 < me___> 'the exception push'?
23:07 -!- adam_smith [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has joined
#go-nuts
23:07 -!- codehai [n=codehai@xdsl-78-34-36-14.netcologne.de] has quit [Client
Quit]
23:08 < scandal> new package exp/exception
23:08 -!- s_mosher [n=smosher@bas1-ottawa10-1279302916.dsl.bell.ca] has joined
#go-nuts
23:09 < s_mosher> scandal, I looked at it but not too closely
23:11 -!- aa [n=aa@r190-135-189-132.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined
#go-nuts
23:12 -!- ikke [n=1kk3@unaffiliated/ikkebr] has quit []
23:13 < delsvr> looks like a hack to appease exception advocates
23:14 < ide> I'm looking through the go spec..  does go support closures?
23:14 <+iant> ide: yes
23:16 < ericmoritz\0> am I overlooking it, but is there a way to locate a
command that's in $PATH?  I'm trying to do exec.Run() on a command that's in my
path but exec.Run() expects an absolute path
23:17 -!- adam_smith [n=adam_smi@31.81-167-16.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read
error: 145 (Connection timed out)]
23:17 < directrixx> ericmoritz\0: try "locate <command>" in the shell
23:18 < s_mosher> ericmoritz\0, which <command> will find the one in
your path
23:18 < ericmoritz\0> directrixx, yeah I know, I was hoping to do it in go
itself
23:18 -!- robot12_ [n=robot12@78.138.154.66] has joined #go-nuts
23:19 -!- trvbldn [n=trvbldn@c-98-218-95-154.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined
#go-nuts
23:20 -!- robot12 [n=robot12@inferno.kgts.ru] has quit [Read error: 104
(Connection reset by peer)]
23:20 -!- drusepth` [n=drusepth@adsl-76-194-200-106.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has
quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)]
23:21 < uriel> ericmoritz\0: well, from go you iterate over the path
elements, and then test if th efile is in any of the paths
23:21 < ericmoritz\0> s_mosher, I guess I'll just port the which command to
go, it's just a bash script on my system
23:21 < uriel> just a simple loop
23:21 < ericmoritz\0> yup
23:21 -!- ptrb [i=pb@cpe-174-106-116-076.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110
(Connection timed out)]
23:22 < s_mosher> yeah, it would not be good to implicitly search $PATH in
exec() type library calls
23:23 -!- TheDracle [n=jthomas@72-254-127-105.hq.ibahn.com] has joined #go-nuts
23:24 -!- brrant [n=John@65-102-193-77.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 60
(Operation timed out)]
23:25 -!- delsvr [n=delsvr@cpe-67-242-41-219.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit []
23:25 -!- loVolt [n=richardm@mail.norco.com] has quit ["peace"]
23:26 -!- rbohn [n=rbohn@192.206.100.4] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox
3.0.15/2009101601]"]
23:28 -!- clearscreen [n=clearscr@e248070.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit ["Leaving."]
23:28 -!- clearscreen [n=clearscr@e248070.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #go-nuts
23:30 -!- kmc [n=keegan@98.140.110.255] has quit ["Leaving"]
23:30 -!- skammer [n=skammer@79.139.145.242] has quit [Remote closed the
connection]
23:30 -!- trickie [n=trickie@86.93.227.181] has quit ["Computer has gone to
sleep"]
23:32 -!- zohaib1020 [n=zohaib10@z65-50-110-10.ips.direcpath.com] has joined
#go-nuts
23:33 -!- npe [n=npe@94-224-251-223.access.telenet.be] has quit []
23:36 -!- hd_ [n=hd_@253.176.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit ["Nettalk6 -
www.ntalk.de"]
23:39 -!- brrant [n=John@168-103-78-133.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #go-nuts
23:41 -!- Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #go-nuts
23:42 -!- trickie [n=trickie@86.93.227.181] has joined #go-nuts
23:43 -!- asmo [n=asmo@c-f6c5e055.1155-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has
quit [Remote closed the connection]
23:44 -!- trickie [n=trickie@86.93.227.181] has quit [Client Quit]
23:45 -!- arjanb [i=borganis@borganism.student.utwente.nl] has quit ["."]
23:46 -!- waltermundt [n=waltermu@twiki/developer/EtherMage] has quit ["Leaving."]
23:46 -!- trickie [n=trickie@86.93.227.181] has joined #go-nuts
23:47 -!- Venom_X_ [n=pjacobs@cpe-67-9-131-167.austin.res.rr.com] has joined
#go-nuts
23:47 -!- trickie [n=trickie@86.93.227.181] has quit [Client Quit]
23:49 < scandal> hrm, is there a reason that len() returns an int rather
than uint?
23:49 < Smergo> So, we got exceptions now?  ;)
23:49 <+iant> scandal: the language has decreed that the type int is large
enough to hold the size of any object
23:49 < sladegen> scandal: perhaps in case of error it needs and option to
use -1 ;)
23:50 <+iant> mostly for simplicity
23:51 -!- sliceofpi [n=Adium@c-98-201-183-147.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit
["Leaving."]
23:51 -!- x-ip [n=sakura@unaffiliated/x-ip] has joined #go-nuts
23:51 < scandal> just make it a pain if i want to use a length argument and
specify uint as the type to avoid negative values, the user has to do
f(uint(len(...)))
23:52 <+iant> scandal: yeah, there is no perfect approach
23:52 < scandal> what's better, making the user to the conversion, or
panic() inside the function when negative?
23:52 -!- Venom_X_ [n=pjacobs@cpe-67-9-131-167.austin.res.rr.com] has quit []
23:52 < scandal> s/to/do/
23:53 <+iant> I don't think there is a single right answer to that; my
leaning would be toward panic() inside the function
23:53 -!- ProperNoun [i=ProperNo@adsl-243-220-206.cae.bellsouth.net] has quit []
23:53 < eno> did a canadian cross, can cross compile 5g/5l that natively
runs on arm/ppc
23:53 < s_mosher> scandal, does your function have any other error
conditions?  if so, accept the int.  if not, I would consider requiring uint to
enforce reliability
23:54 < eno> way easier than canadian cross gcc
23:54 < me___> eno: neat
23:55 -!- hector [n=chatzill@client-86-0-126-58.nrth.adsl.virginmedia.com] has
quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
23:55 < kfx> Smergo: I hope not
23:55 < eno> if the target happen to be arm little endian, we have "native"
compilers
23:55 < s_mosher> scandal, that's just my take on it anyway.  the trouble of
needing to convert in advance is worth it if it means the call can't fail.
23:55 <+iant> eno: nice
23:55 -!- triplez [n=triplez@cm52.sigma225.maxonline.com.sg] has quit []
23:56 < scandal> s_mosher: yeah.  in this case there is no other error.  i
think its better to detect the error at compile time, even if it is a nuisance.
thanks.
23:57 < huhwayee> can len() even return a negative value?
23:57 < KirkMcDonald> No.
23:57 < KirkMcDonald> Well...
23:57 -!- skyfive [n=skyfive@173-11-110-86-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit
[Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)]
23:57 < KirkMcDonald> I suppose a class could define a __len__ method which
does evil things.
23:58 < KirkMcDonald> Wait.
23:58 < KirkMcDonald> This isn't #python.
23:58 < sanooj> newbie question: does go help programmers avoid arithmetic
overflows?
23:58 < KirkMcDonald> I have too many tabs open.
23:58 <+iant> The builtin function len can not return a negative value
unless something has gone badly wrong
23:58 -!- skyfive [n=skyfive@173-11-110-86-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has
joined #go-nuts
23:58 * sladegen lols.
23:58 <+iant> sanooj: http://golang.org/doc/go_spec.html#Integer_overflow
23:59 < sanooj> ty
23:59 < s_mosher> it would be nice if len could just return the appropriate
type for the context...  but that's probably ugly in the implementation
23:59 -!- drusepth [n=drusepth@174.32.154.79] has joined #go-nuts
--- Log closed Sat Nov 21 00:00:15 2009