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00:03 < uriel> WalterMundt: the USED() does 'nothing' other than shut up the
compiler about not using the variable, IIRC
00:04 < uriel> iant: humpf...
http://code.google.com/p/protobuf/issues/detail?id=139
00:04 < uriel> iant: I thought rob said Go would be part of the next
protobuf release :/
00:04 < WalterMundt> that's what I would have guessed
00:05 < WalterMundt> which leaves open what precisely FLUSH(void *v) {
USED(v); } accomplishes
00:07 < uriel> heh
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00:10 < WalterMundt> perhaps there's some useful side effect of calling a
no-op function on the address of a parameter that's filling in for a Go return
value
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00:12 < uriel> ken works in mysterious ways ;)
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01:21 < plexdev> http://is.gd/5cJly by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/gotest/ --
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02:38 < plexdev> http://is.gd/5cLTN by [Russ Cox] in go/src/libmach/ --
libmach: fix disassembly of MOVLQSX
02:38 < plexdev> http://is.gd/5cLTR by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/net/ -- net:
more fiddling with the udp test.
02:38 < plexdev> http://is.gd/5cLU1 by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/gotest/ --
gotest: stop if the // gotest commands fail
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02:57 < hstimer> what happened to io.ReadAll?
02:58 < hstimer> moved to ioutil?
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03:18 < LilJim> yo
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03:21 < LilJim> I was wondering if anyone would mind sharing some Go
projects they are working on.
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03:26 < plexdev> http://is.gd/5cNKH by [Russ Cox] in go/test/bench/ --
test/bench: dead code in reverse-complement
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03:30 < LilJim> cool, thanks.
03:31 < LilJim> Are you a researcher by chance?
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03:36 < anticw> LilJim: plexdev is a bot
03:36 < LilJim> oh
03:36 < LilJim> haha
03:37 < anticw> to answer your question look at http://go-lang.cat-v.org/
03:39 < LilJim> cool, thanks.
03:40 < trez> LilJim: anticw is a bot
03:41 < LilJim> lol
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03:46 < LilJim> is plexdev written in Go?
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04:15 < goobs> hello
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04:15 < LilJim> hi
04:15 < goobs> hey, people are alive!
04:15 < goobs> sweet
04:16 * trost does not understand why the following generates an error
04:16 < trost> outs := []*io.Writer{os.Stdout};
04:17 < goobs> so, I was wondering if anyone could help me, and/or has
anyone used the exec libraries?
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04:18 < anticw> trost: what are you trying to do?
04:18 < anticw> make an io writer to os.Stdout?
04:18 < trost> vice-versa
04:19 < trost> I'm trying to create an array of pointers to io.writers
04:19 < trost> ...one of which is stdout
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04:19 < trost> breaking it up doesn't help: outs[0] = os.Stdout gets me the
same err
04:20 < goobs> do you need the star in the expression?
04:21 < trost> test.go:6: cannot use os.Stdout (type *os.File) as type
*io.Writer in array index
04:21 < trost> err msg suggests *s are right, goobs
04:21 < anticw> you can use bufio.NewWriter
04:21 < anticw> or does you really want to avoid bufferring?
04:21 * trost chuckles.  The stars are right.
04:21 < trost> I just want an array!
04:22 < trost> ...an array of writers
04:22 < trost> the details of the writers isn't a concern at the moment
04:22 < anticw> var foo []io.Writer;
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04:24 < goobs> outs := []io.Writer{os.Stdout}; outs[0].Write([]byte{1});
compiles for me...
04:24 < trost> sorry, no, I meant array of pointers to io.Writers
04:24 < trost> wow, what compiler version?
04:24 < goobs> lol not sure; maybe a week or two old?
04:25 < trost> oh, so no star?  Ah, hmmmm.....
04:25 < goobs> the array should be an implicit star ([]Type is *Type)
04:25 < goobs> like in C, but unlike C in Go the second can't be used as an
array
04:26 < goobs> (as far as I understand at least)
04:26 < trost> ok, I'll investigate more.  Thx for the help!
04:27 < goobs> np
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04:29 < goobs> has anyone used the exec library?
04:29 < goobs> the following code compiles and runs fine, but then doesn't
print the arguments to the function
04:29 < goobs> p, err := exec.Run("/bin/echo", []string{"Hello"},
os.Environ(), exec.PassThrough, exec.PassThrough, exec.PassThrough);
04:30 < goobs> *arguments to the program (echo)
04:31 < goobs> in contrast, this prints "Hello World" fine:
04:31 < goobs> p, err := exec.Run("/usr/bin/hello", []string{},
os.Environ(), exec.PassThrough, exec.PassThrough, exec.PassThrough);
04:32 < trost> weerd, it's []io.Writer but []*os.File to make an array of
os.Stderr
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04:33 < anticw> goobs: set argv[0] ...  some code depends on that
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04:34 < anticw> goobs: []string{"echo", "hello"}
04:34 < s_mosher> actually that does set argv[0]...  to "Hello"
04:35 < goobs> sweet, that fixed it.  Thanks!
04:36 < trost> Ah, got it.  File* has a method "Write", therefore anything
that is a File* can be a Writer, not a Writer*
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04:44 < plexdev> http://is.gd/5cQE5 by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/cmd/ -- 6g/8g optimizer fix: throw functions now in runtime
04:44 < plexdev> http://is.gd/5cQE7 by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/gc/ -- gc:
walk pointer in range on slice/array
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05:46 < plexdev> http://is.gd/5cTij by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/src/ --
gc/runtime: pass type structure to makeslice.
05:46 < plexdev> http://is.gd/5cTio by [Russ Cox] in go/test/bench/ --
test/bench: use range in reverse-complement
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06:02 < plexdev> http://is.gd/5cTXV by [Ian Lance Taylor] in
go/src/pkg/syscall/ -- Fix syscall.Statfs and syscall.Fstatfs for 386 GNU/Linux.
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07:11 < homa_ran1> How can I create a string, when I only get the bytes out
of order?  I can create the data in a []byte, but how do I convert it?
07:13 < KirkMcDonald> @expr string([]byte{104, 101, 108, 108, 111})
07:13 * KirkMcDonald pokes rndbot.
07:13 < KirkMcDonald> Wasn't that the syntax?
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07:14 < KirkMcDonald> @eval string([]byte{104, 101, 108, 108, 111})
07:14 < rndbot> hello
07:14 < KirkMcDonald> There we go.
07:14 < homa_ran1> that did the trick
07:15 < homa_ran1> thanks
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07:16 < homa_ran1> related question: is it ok for a string to not be utf8?
07:16 < homa_ran1> will random things die?
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07:22 < KirkMcDonald> Treating it as a UTF-8 string will likely fail.
07:24 < jessta> homa_ran1: you'll get lots of error characters I imagine
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07:27 < homa_ran1> so I'm implementing the burrows-wheeler transform, which
shuffles all the bytes in a string; is a string a suitable datatype for this?
07:29 < KirkMcDonald> A []byte is probably most suited.
07:29 < KirkMcDonald> (As it is mutable.)
07:30 < homa_ran1> this is true, but the transformed string has no reason to
be mutable after it is created
07:30 < KirkMcDonald> True.
07:33 < homa_ran1> []byte seems to make the most sense, but the input to
this will always be a string, so it makes sense for a string to be returned
07:33 < homa_ran1> I'm torn
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07:33 < adiabatic> will it be guaranteed to be UTF-8 input?
07:33 < homa_ran1> I suppose the input could be arbitrary data
07:33 < adiabatic> []byte.
07:34 < homa_ran1> good point
07:34 < homa_ran1> what's the fastest way to get the underlying []byte from
a string then?
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07:36 < KirkMcDonald> @eval strings.Bytes("hello")
07:36 < rndbot> [104 101 108 108 111]
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07:40 < homa_ran1> gotcha; thanks
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14:02 < Vova> dho: what bug O:?
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14:20 < dho> see the goroutines stalling thread
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15:35 < alexsuraci> people keep calling Go Go! on the mailing list
15:35 < vegai> which people?
15:36 < alexsuraci> only saw it in one thread (though more than one person),
just odd
15:36 < alexsuraci> "PEP for Go?" thread
15:36 < alexsuraci> probably just an easy habit to fall into
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15:41 < clip9> prjust say golang
15:41 < clip9> thats much less confusing.
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18:16 < ekontsevoy> Reading golang.org I can't figure out if Go can be used
to make libraries callable from Python, Ruby, etc.
18:17 < taruti> ekontsevoy: not at the moment
18:18 < ekontsevoy> Thanks taruti, are you implying that this feature is in
the works?
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18:19 < taruti> ekontsevoy: making things callable from C easier will very
probably be supported in future (as that is required for e.g.  callbacks), and
Ruby, Python et all can call things callable in C.
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18:21 < ekontsevoy> That's great to know!  I will be checking back on it
periodically.
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18:27 < ekontsevoy> Although I wonder how garbage collector would work?  If
I have a Python process which uses 3 diffrent .so libraries written by different
people in Go, how would those 3 libs pass data to each other?  How will those 3
libraries agree which instance of GC to use?
18:28 < taruti> ekontsevoy: that is not Go-specific.
18:28 < saati> you have that problem with every two gc'd languages
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18:30 < taruti> ekontsevoy: typically when you have a multi-language program
data is marshalled to suitable format when passing over language boundaries.  Thus
e.g.  library Foo returns a Go-string.  It is converted in to a Python string for
the program.  Then the program passes the Python string to the Bar library and the
ffi-code marshalles that into an another Go-string.  (hypothetically)
18:30 < ekontsevoy> Yeah, I am just thinking out loud.  I've been looking
for a C/C+ replacement for a long time, and every contender insists of "owning" my
process
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18:32 < taruti> go is in the development and still lacks many things
18:32 < ekontsevoy> taruti: but what would happen if the main process is
also written in Go? Which GC "owns" what then?  (I am assuming that Go will
produce .so files with their own instance of GC)
18:33 < taruti> go does not produce .so files at the moment
18:33 < ekontsevoy> I am just wondering if it's theoretically feasible.
There must be a reason why OCaml and Haskell failed
18:33 < taruti> ekontsevoy: actually you can have Haskell .so libraries that
share a GC and everything works.
18:34 < ekontsevoy> taruti: yes, but those .so files aren't callable by
anyone but haskell.  You have to initialize Haskell's runtime manually before you
can use them from Python or Ruby
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18:34 < ekontsevoy> I.e.  Haskell can't be a C replacement for general
purpose library development :(
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18:36 < taruti> ekontsevoy: actually you *can* call them from Ruby/Python if
you really want to.
18:36 < taruti> ekontsevoy: .so libraries have initialization functions
which can be used to setup the GHC-runtime
18:36 < taruti> but this is getting offtopic
18:37 < ekontsevoy> taruti: you're right.  lets hope Go will solve this
problem
18:38 < taruti> GHC already solves it.  Go does not solve it at the moment.
But Go is a very interesting language nonetheless.
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18:41 < ekontsevoy> taruti: how can you have 10-15 .so libraries written in
GHC loaded within the same Ruby process?  And what happens if one calls another?
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18:43 < taruti> ekontsevoy: GHC->GHC calls work like normal,
GHC->Ruby->GHC works by marshaling the values two times.
18:43 < taruti> of course GHC shared library support can be a little bit
flaky
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18:48 < ekontsevoy> taruti: it's not about marshalling.  the complexity of
dynamically linked libraries lies in memory management.  They're expected to
*share* their data with other libs in the same process, which means that several
.so libs have to cooperatively "elect" a GC if the parent process isn't written in
Go. And they also have to figure out to initialize themselves automatically.  C
works because it's simple and because all OSes (and their loaders) are written in
C,
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18:50 < taruti> ekontsevoy: actually no.
18:51 < taruti> ekontsevoy: the dynamic libraries all depend on the runtime
system dynamic library which is thus loaded only once.
18:51 < [[sroracle]]> I'm not sure what this means, "inet.go:8:
mutliple-value net.Dial() in single-value-context" (the source is at
http://pastesite.com/12045)
18:51 < antarus|wtf> ekontsevoy: You can't just load artirary C libraries
into GC languages though; typically
18:51 < antarus|wtf> ekontsevoy: like in Python you have to write bindings,
or SWIG the library, or write some CPython
18:51 < ekontsevoy> antarus|wtf: yes you can, and you always do.  run ldd
python
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18:52 < ekontsevoy> antarus|wtf: yeah, that's marshalling - an easy part.
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18:52 < ekontsevoy> taruti: I am not following what you are saying.  I think
you kind of repeated my last statement about C
18:53 < antarus|wtf> ekontsevoy: er, I'm not talking about the
interpreter...
18:54 < antarus|wtf> oh hey ctypes does have _dopen()
18:54 < antarus|wtf> I wonder how that works
18:54 < ekontsevoy> antarus|wtf: but they all co-exist and (very possibly)
even call each other freely because they manage their own memory.  But if you have
a garbage collector, you've got to have just one per process, you can't allow each
.so to run it's own
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18:55 < taruti> ekontsevoy: e.g.  python process loads the foo component
(GHC).  foo loads librts and initializes the RTS et all.  python can call foo with
foo's C-api.  python requires bar (GHC).  bar requires librts which is already
loaded.  bar happily uses rts.  python can call bar through the C api exported.
18:55 < rbohn_> sroracle: Dial returns two values: c,err := net.Dial(...)
18:55 < [[sroracle]]> Ah
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18:55 < [[sroracle]]> Didn't know I had to assign err too
18:56 < antarus|wtf> ekontsevoy: I don't get why you think if I load 15
libraries written in go that there would be 15 runtimes with 15 collectors as well
18:56 < ekontsevoy> taruti: in other words all GHC libs delegate to librts,
that's pretty cool
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18:57 < ekontsevoy> antarus|wtf: either that, or how taruti says - they'll
all have to link against a common runtim which itself needs to be .so
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18:57 < ekontsevoy> taruti: thanks, btw - I just realized that it's not all
that complicated.
18:57 < taruti> :)
18:58 < ekontsevoy> writing a zero-dependency libs would be impossible but
that task I am happy to delegate to C
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21:53 < ni|> lol
21:53 < ni|> nictuku: did you see the changes that were just made?
21:53 < nictuku> nope
21:53 < ni|> check out code review
21:54 < ni|> for chan.go
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21:54 < nictuku> ok
21:54 < ni|> performance increase
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22:00 < nictuku> how do I browse rietveld for the Go changelists?  I can't
find it in the repositories browser
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22:27 < uriel> nictuku: I was wondering precisely the same
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22:42 < Vova> ni|: what code review?
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