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00:04 < ziyu4huang> anyone know what will happen when you do "range
vector.Iter()"
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00:05 < ziyu4huang> It looks the channel never close, I don't know will
eventually cause resource problem ?
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00:07 <+iant> ziyu4huang: the channel is closed in Vector.iterate
00:08 <+iant> ziyu4huang: in any case, a channel can be garbage collected
(in principle) even if it is not closed
00:08 <+iant> what counts is whether anything has a reference to it, not
whether it has been closed
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00:11 < ziyu4huang> I know it closed in Vector.iterate, but it see won't
execute the close() line if you do break earlier
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00:11 < ziyu4huang> I just not sure if GC can correctly recycle it.
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00:12 < ziyu4huang> Is there any function to check how many channel are
opened ?
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00:23 < skelterjohn> ziy4huang: having the GC clean up goroutines that are
blocked on a channel that no one cares about anymore is an issue that they're
thinking about
00:23 < skelterjohn> i made a ML post saying they should:
http://groups.google.com/group/golang-nuts/browse_frm/thread/e8a494c088b9ece5
00:28 < ziyu4huang> this is really a serious issues.  I can write a simple
codes runs out of resource quickly http://gopaste.org/view/xN211
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00:29 < ziyu4huang> if the library tries use Iter() as a idiom way for
iterator, then obvious this issues must be fix.
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00:32 < skelterjohn> ziyu4huang: that's how I feel too.
00:32 < skelterjohn> iterators especially are not so useful unless the GC
behaves this way
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00:34 < skelterjohn> the argument was, if I recall correctly (and it's in
that ML thread) that for something like a webserver, it's not obvious whether a
group of deadlocked goroutines attached to each other by blocking channels should
be cleaned up silently or if a panic should occur
00:34 < ziyu4huang> I am not quite clear about channel yet, is it Ok to
close it in reader side ?
00:34 < skelterjohn> ziyu4huang: you shouldn't, though often it might behave
as you expect
00:34 < skelterjohn> the idea being close(ch) is a writer operation,
closed(ch) is a reader operation
00:34 < ziyu4huang> If that's true, I think range can just do close() if you
break out
00:35 < skelterjohn> I am paraphrasing either Russ Cox or Rob Pike, I always
get them confused (names that begin with 'R'...)
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00:37 < skelterjohn> this thread is devoted to that topic, in particular:
http://groups.google.com/group/golang-nuts/browse_frm/thread/d1f6ebc9ceed5608
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02:36 < guza> hello :)
02:37 < guza> can someone point me in the way how to retrieve webpages with
go?  which package?  or is there maybe a sample go proxy server somewhere on the
net?
02:37 <+iant> guza: http://golang.org/pkg/http/
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02:38 < guza> fu im blind func Get :D
02:38 < guza> so sorry
02:38 < guza> :P
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03:20 < guza> is there already a go lang proxy server implementation
somewhere on the web?
03:21 < guza> the one that I just made is just basic I want to see if there
is a possibility of passing cookies etc.
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03:31 < skelterjohn> go-lang.cat-v.org is a good resource for community code
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03:37 < guza> thank you
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04:31 < goplexian> Is there a simple way to grab input from the command
line?  Enter your name at the prompt, type thing?
04:32 < Boggy-B> yeah
04:32 < goplexian> such as `input()` in python?
04:32 < Boggy-B> erm, it begins winth an f
04:32 < Boggy-B> lol flag
04:32 < Boggy-B> look at flag :)
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04:33 < Boggy-B> goplexian: look at the 'echo' code on the main tutorial
page
04:33 < Boggy-B> shows you how to read it
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04:39 < goplexian> I'm not just trying to read input arguments though, I'm
looking for a way to ask a user for input and wait until they type the input and
hit enter, think of the input() command in python if you know python
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04:41 < Boggy-B> oh, sorry, in that case i dont know (im pretty new to this)
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04:47 < spikebike> hrm, anyone know of a skein implementation for go?
04:47 < goplexian> so Go has no fgets() like in C?
04:52 < anticw> look at bufio.ReadString
04:52 < Gracenotes> goplexian: there is http://golang.org/pkg/os/#File.Read
04:53 < Gracenotes> the length of the buffer is specified by, well,
len(buffer)
04:53 < Gracenotes> main disadvantage it isn't not blocking.
bufio.ReadString'd be needed for that
04:54 < Gracenotes> does bufio use busy looping or something?  eh.
04:56 < anticw> any mac people here?  i'm looking to get emacs22 (plain
vanilla, no gui fancies) for mac os x
04:58 < xerox> anticw: in fact carbon-emacs seems to be the most reasonable
choice (e.g.  if you need opt not to be meta) but on emacswiki.org there are links
to non-gui builds IIRC
04:58 < anticw> okies, let me look ...  i found aquaemacs ...  but i need to
use this over ssh, so aqua not necessary
04:59 < anticw> oh, odd...  there is an email already ...  ok, that works
for me
05:00 < xerox> anticw: not sure about aquamacs but carbon emacs has the
standard emacs binary inside the .app folder
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05:19 < Rob_Russell> i just did an update on my Go source and i'm getting
syntax errors in a multiline if condition, have they started on the semicolon
change?
05:21 < anticw> bits of it are coming in
05:21 < anticw> though it looked to be all backwards compat
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05:22 < Rob_Russell> i think the lines starting with operators no longer
work.  Lines starting with || broke - ending with || is okay though
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05:23 < anticw> Rob_Russell: i just did a clean build w/o problems
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05:25 < Rob_Russell> i did a quick test and here's what it looks like
http://gopaste.org/view/hfW8S
05:26 < Rob_Russell> the first causes the compile error, the second
continues
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05:26 < anticw> Rob_Russell: oh, this is out of tree code?
05:27 < Rob_Russell> anticw: yeah
05:27 < Rob_Russell> anticw: from godom
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05:30 < anticw> Rob_Russell: gofmt can probably convert
05:30 < anticw> gofmt -h ...  there is -oldparser and -oldformat ...  not
sure what that status is there
05:30 < anticw> i played a bit and futzed up something last night but i see
more fixes are in since
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05:32 < Rob_Russell> anticw: gofmt output looks okay
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05:57 < anticw> so ...  darwin 386 does something dumb in a certain case
05:57 < anticw> is there a typical case where work-arounds belong?
05:57 < anticw> the ll os interface stuff?
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06:13 < anticw> dho: there?
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06:48 < anticw> ok, interesting...  some syscalls were messed up on 32-bit
platforms
06:48 < anticw> i guess most people are on 64-bit :)
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07:10 < goplexian> does "\n" have a byte representation in uint8?
07:10 < saati> the standard CR ascii one?
07:11 < anticw> goplexian: to read a line?
07:11 < goplexian> yes
07:11 < anticw> line, err := br.ReadString('\n');
07:12 < KirkMcDonald> The '\n' character is 0x0A.
07:12 < goplexian> gah, i was doing ReadString("\n");
07:12 < anticw> yeah, char not string
07:12 < goplexian> thanks!
07:12 < anticw> np
07:12 < anticw> i should probably spit some of this code out
07:12 < anticw> im too lazy
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07:16 < anticw> goplexian: what platform/arch have you got there?
07:16 < goplexian> amd64 on Ubuntu Karmic
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10:33 < samay> hi
10:33 < samay> can anyone tell me how to install GO
10:33 < samay> i tried to follow the steps online
10:34 < samay> but not able to understand how n where does $GOROOT is
10:34 < mpl> samay: you just set it
10:34 < mpl> wherever you want to install your go tree
10:34 < samay> i downloaded the complete source using mercurial
10:35 < samay> then ?
10:35 < samay> it says $ cd $GOROOT/src
10:35 < samay> now this is not working with me
10:35 < mpl> samay: where has mercurial downloaded it?
10:36 < samay> in my home dir
10:36 < samay> but i cant see anything there
10:36 < mpl> probably mercurial failed because GOROOT was not set
10:37 < uriel> samay: can you please enumerate what steps did you take so
far
10:37 < samay> used the command hg clone -r release
https://go.googlecode.com/hg/ $GOROOT
10:37 < uriel> and which was the first step that failed
10:37 < samay> how to set GOROOT
10:37 * uriel sighs
10:37 < mpl> samay: export GOROOT=$HOME/go
10:37 < mpl> for example
10:37 < uriel> samay: http://golang.org/doc/install.html#tmp_17
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10:38 < samay> i started with hg clone -r release
https://go.googlecode.com/hg/ $GOROOT
10:38 < mpl> samay: just do what wrote above and _then_ do the cloning step.
10:39 < uriel> start at the start of the instructions
10:39 < samay> oh ok
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10:40 < mpl> uriel: well to be fair, the instructions are not so good.  a
newbie won't know he has either to export them in the current shell or to resource
his .bashrc.
10:40 < samay> where do i find the file .bashrc ?
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10:40 < mpl> samay: in your home.
10:41 < uriel> mpl: really, I'm amazed at how many people don't even
understand how environment variables work, the amount of harm done by gnome, kde
and so on to unix development is untold
10:41 < Zaba> it'd be silly if the installation instructions explained
things like dotfiles, shell startup files and what not
10:41 < Zaba> there are fine manpages for that, if people don't read them
that's their problem
10:41 < uriel> Zaba: precisely
10:41 < mpl> Zaba: still, it's half formulated.
10:41 < samay> k
10:41 < Zaba> if people don't want to learn, they shouldn't be using
unix-like systems
10:42 < uriel> but seems that we have entered the era of total and complete
unix illitaracy
10:42 < mpl> they should not explain that you have to put them in your
.bashrc then.
10:42 < uriel> (sic)
10:42 < mpl> either do it right or don't, but don't do it halfway.
10:42 < uriel> mpl: there I agree
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10:42 < uriel> but given how clueless most people seem to be, I guess they
tried to stricke some kind of compromise
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10:43 < uriel> (but I really wonder if somebody that doesn't know where to
define their env vars will be able to handle Go itself)
10:43 < mpl> iant: could you add for the newbies in the installation
instructions that they should either resource their .bashrc, or tell them to
export the vars in the current shell?  it seems like half an explanation right now
imho.
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10:44 < uriel> or just tell them 'consult your system's documentation on how
to define environment variables'
10:44 < Zaba> I'd leave out dotfiles completely and just mention
export/setenv
10:44 < mpl> iant: just saying that given the questions we've just had from
samay for example.
10:44 < Zaba> people with half a brain cell can think of a way to have that
done in every shell on startup, you know
10:44 < mpl> uriel, Zaba: yep, agreed.
10:45 < uriel> Zaba: that will confuse people even more, as that is required
for building go programs...
10:45 < mpl> anyway, I think something has to be done on that doc, either
remove or add some explanation, but don't leave it half done.
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10:46 < mpl> bbl
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10:47 < samay> now it says the destination already exsists
10:48 < mpl> samay: read the instructions carefully please before asking
questions.  "Make sure the $GOROOT directory does not exist or is empty.  Then
check out the repository:"
10:49 < samay> ya
10:49 < samay> sorry
10:54 < samay> what does they mean by "make sure $GOBIN (or $HOME/bin if
$GOBIN is not set) is in your $PATH "
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10:55 < Zaba> it means precisely what it says
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10:56 < uriel> samay: please read some Unix introductory text
10:57 < uriel> like The Unix Programming Environment
10:57 < reppie> the biggest book ever
10:57 < Zaba> or at least man bash
10:57 < uriel> reppie: not in volume, but in quality yes
10:58 < Zaba> uriel, does it cover network programming?
10:58 < reppie> i've never read it
10:58 < uriel> Zaba: no
10:58 < reppie> i've been too afraid of its size
10:58 < uriel> reppie: you are confused
10:58 < reppie> how so
10:58 < uriel> The Unix Programming Environment != Advanced Programming in
the Unix Environment
10:58 < reppie> oh
10:58 < reppie> i see
10:59 < uriel> the one covers the true and beautiful of unix, pure sublime
elegance
10:59 < reppie> i am indeed confused
10:59 < uriel> the second covers the most disturbed and abominable aspects
of the creations of people that never understood anything about unix
10:59 < reppie> xD
10:59 < uriel> I'm not kidding
10:59 < uriel> (sadly)
10:59 < Zaba> oh.  I guess networking goes into the latter.
11:00 < uriel> indeed
11:01 < uriel> the first half of The Unix Programming covers the shell and
basic tools (and how to build more tools with those tools, etc), the second the
essentials of Unix C programming
11:02 < uriel> in any case, note the two authors
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11:05 < samay> installing......
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11:10 < samay> kuddos..  thanks all
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15:47 < ukl> hello.
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15:47 < ukl> Given a slice "[]*blah" of len 0 and cap 5, how can I add an
element to it?
15:52 < ukl> What I tired to add one element to "c": c = make([]*blah,
len(c)+1, B); c = c[0:]; c[len(c)] = new_element; --- this fails with "index out
of range"
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15:53 < ukl> ok forget the last line, kind of obviously wrong...  I just
tried to use something from the tutorial that I must have gotten wrong
15:55 < ziyu4huang> ukl: slice is not vector, it's fix size
15:56 < ukl> so I need to make() a new one, 1 element longer, copy the old
one and add the new element?
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15:57 < ziyu4huang> ukl: yes
15:57 < ukl> I'm a bit confused by len() and cap()...  It has a certain
length but is capable of saving more?
15:57 < ziyu4huang> ukl: think about slice is a pointer to a shared fixed
array
15:59 < JBeshir> ziyu4huang: You can resize an array whose cap() is larger
than len()
15:59 < ziyu4huang> ukl: many slice can reference it.  Then len is may not
be same as cap because you can declare new slice width different length
15:59 < JBeshir> ukl: You need to take a slice of the slice whose length is
longer than the current slice.
16:00 < JBeshir> s/array/slice/
16:00 < ukl> JBeshir: I've got an slice whose cap() is > len(), ...  ok
16:00 < ukl> JBeshir: That's exactly what I'm trying to do...just how?
16:00 < JBeshir> ukl: Take a slice of it, whose length is longer than len()
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16:02 < ukl> ah, finally.  thanks a lot
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16:04 < ziyu4huang> slice is fixed size, resize is actually declare new
slice with new length(you can't exceed capacity, of cause)
16:05 < ukl> http://gopaste.org/view/2INV9 could someone please have a look?
It seems like the last step is still wrong
16:05 < ukl> when I try to replace the old []*blah with the newer one with
len()+1
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16:09 < ziyu4huang> ukl: this is not how it works..  see my example
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16:09 < ziyu4huang> http://gopaste.org/view/8mg8X
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16:10 < ziyu4huang> you cannot resize an array, you have to make a new array
and copy old data to new one
16:11 < JBeshir> ziyu4huang: You can resize slices.
16:11 < JBeshir> Within the bounds of the underlying array.
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16:12 < ziyu4huang> JBeshir: maybe your resize definition is different to
me.  slice is just a reference to array.
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16:13 < ukl> Well, "c" has a cap() of 5, len() of 2, should end up as cap=5,
len=3
16:14 < JBeshir> ziyu4huang: No, it isn't.  It's a reference with a starting
position and a length of its own, separate to the capacity of said array.
16:14 < JBeshir> ziyu4huang: You can resize said length within the limits of
the underlying array.
16:14 < ukl> from what my experimentation let me guess, the first 3 lines of
my example actually do that, it's just the last one that fails
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16:14 < ukl> could probably turn it into a function...  hmm.
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16:15 < ziyu4huang> JBeshir: There is not resize() function on slice...  you
just a assign a new value to slice...  I really don't take it is a resize
16:15 < ukl> ok, the function thing works, it's just a bit uglier (having
"st.child = st.child.addChild(n);" in my code)
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16:16 < JBeshir> That's nice, ziyu4huang, but:
16:17 < JBeshir> 1) Not really relevant to the actual problem (semantics)
16:17 < JBeshir> 2) Conflicts with the usage of 'resizing' used here:
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:4Hrc1Tf4lWIJ:golang.org/doc/GoCourseDay2.pdf+Golang+slice+resize&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
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16:18 < JBeshir> ukl: I suggest looking at the "resizing a slice" thing
there.
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16:19 < JBeshir> I can't really understand your example easily, but it
provides one that might help.
16:19 < ukl> JBeshir: thanks :)
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18:08 < ukl> hello...  I'm driven nuts by an (a,b)-tree.  could someone
please point me toward a definite description of an (a,b)-tree?  I tried to follow
the few words that wikipedia says about them, but things are getting quite complex
this way -- the problem is that I (as a node) don't save the largest element of my
subtrees because my parent node knows it...  Is that right?
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18:19 < dho> iant: ping
18:21 < GeoBSD> where is the go-devel port dho ?
18:22 < dho> GeoBSD: wxs got loaded up with a bunch of work
18:22 < dho> i have a go port makefile done and go-devel will probably be
cut once the semicolons thing is finished
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18:23 < GeoBSD> ahh thanks dho
18:24 < dho> in any case a release checkout of the go sources should work
18:24 < GeoBSD> ohh
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18:24 < dho> we're putting GOROOT in /usr/local/lib/go, e.g.  Make.pkg in
/usr/local/share/go, docs in /usr/local/share/docs/go and bins in /usr/local/bin
18:25 < GeoBSD> that's all ?
18:26 < dho> well there's not much else to put places
18:27 < GeoBSD> nothing to change in the sources ?
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18:28 < dho> No, I've gotten everything else put back upstream.
18:28 < dho> the -release port has some makefile changes that i have pushed
upstream and will thus appear in the next release
18:28 < GeoBSD> ok dho
18:32 <+iant> dho: pong
18:33 < dho> iant: any idea what's wrong with gcc.gnu.org?
18:34 <+iant> the system is being moved this weekend
18:34 < dho> oh, screw.
18:34 <+iant> it's down now, and should be up again tomorrow
18:34 <+iant> sorry
18:34 < dho> i'd hoped to figure out why it didn't seem to like
-fplan9-extensions
18:34 <+iant> ah, hm
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20:03 < hstimer> where are packaged scoped variables stashed?  contiguous in
a block on the heap?
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22:33 < hstimer> I have a disappearing string http://gopaste.org/view/niFhA
22:34 < alexsuraci> on that note, time to update gopaste
22:36 < hstimer> alexsuraci: the ;'s?
22:36 < alexsuraci> yeah
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22:36 < ShadowIce> hstimer: if you use := that'll create a new variable
(line 13)
22:37 < hstimer> ShadowIce: so it will create a function local s?
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22:37 < ShadowIce> yep
22:37 < hstimer> pain in my ass
22:37 < hstimer> k
22:37 < hstimer> thanks
22:38 < hstimer> so the rule is if there is already a function local var by
the same name then assign, but if it is a module var then create a new function
local var
22:38 < hstimer> I don't like that rule
22:39 < alexsuraci> hstimer: all done http://gopaste.org/view/niFhA :)
22:39 < ShadowIce> hm, no...I think it'll always create a new var if the
scope is different
22:39 < hstimer> alexsuraci: ouuu pretty colors
22:39 < ShadowIce> I had that problem because I used := inside an if block
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22:40 < alexsuraci> although, now it adds semicolons.  i can change it to
print with the new printer, or just keep the old one.
22:40 < hstimer> an if block?  dang.  even bigger pain then I originally
thought
22:40 < hstimer> alexsuraci: new printer please
22:41 < hstimer> wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't for multiple assignment
22:41 < alexsuraci> hstimer: i would, but it's all still a bit up in the
air, i think i'll wait a little while first.
22:42 < alexsuraci> though i'm interested in the timeframe they're
considering for swapping the default gofmt options.
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22:49 < merowinger> looking at the http package I was wondering if there is
a way for sticking a custom made ServeMuxer into http.DefaultServeMux?  I don't
see any way since there is no interface type used for this or is there another way
to do it?
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23:40 < hstimer> is there a way to take the address of a variable for
diagnostic purposes?
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