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00:03 < Rob_Russell> hstimer: if you want debug output try
fmt.Printf("%p",&x); or there's actually a built-in print function that i think
takes format specifiers like %p as well
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00:06 < hstimer> Rob_Russell: what you said works perfectly...  for some
reason I thought we couldn't take the address of a string
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02:31 < uriel> god, this Qtvali guy never gives up?
02:31 < uriel> what next?  will he ask for multiple inheritance?
02:34 < sahazel> hey, so I wrote a little consistent hashing library in go
02:34 < sahazel> is there somewhere that I should post that so people
looking for go libraries can find it?
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02:35 < uriel> sahazel: just give me the address where to find it and I will
add it to http://go-lang.cat-v.org/ (if it is not already there)
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02:38 < Guest8206> Can Go be compiled on PowerPC archictecture?
02:39 < raichoo> Is there a specific reason why calling (*t).Test(); Does
not modify (*t).a even though i declared func (p T) Test() { p.a = 1; }?
02:40 < KirkMcDonald> raichoo: That receiver is taking the struct by value.
02:40 < KirkMcDonald> raichoo: That is, 'p' is a copy of the struct.
02:40 < raichoo> Makes sense ^^Thank you
02:40 < sahazel> uriel: okay, will do, as soon as I've got it in github or
whatever
02:42 < raichoo> KirkMcDonald: So using pointers is the way to go here?
02:43 < KirkMcDonald> raichoo: Yes, I would assume so.
02:44 < raichoo> Alright.
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03:35 < Guest4292> I'm trying to compile Go on my PowerPC.  Whenever I try
to compile anything, I get the error "hello.go:3: fatal error: can't find import:
fmt".  Does anyone know what to do?
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03:42 < uriel> Guest4292: I hope you are using gccgo...
03:43 < Guest4292> uriel: I'm using 8g.  Would it make a difference?
03:43 < uriel> obviously
03:43 < Guest4292> lol.  ok
03:43 < uriel> 8g is the x86 compiler
03:43 < Guest4292> It should still be able to create a x86 binary, right?
03:44 < uriel> yes, but it has to be built with 8c, which is a C compiler
for x86 too
03:44 < uriel> why are you building x86 binaries on a ppc box anyway?
03:44 < uriel> doesn't sound very useful
03:45 < uriel> also, what have you set your $GOARCH to?
03:45 < Guest4292> I just wanted to see if it would compile.
03:45 < Guest4292> I got Debian installed.
03:45 < uriel> if you are on ppc, use gccgo
03:46 < Guest4292> k.  I'll try it out.  thx.
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06:26 < goplexian> :) OK...  someone explain interfaces to me, I dont think
I get it fully.
06:27 < goplexian> my mind is to used to objects I think
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06:51 < uriel> OO damages the brain
06:51 < goplexian> ah, that would explain the problem
06:52 < uriel> goplexian:
http://research.swtch.com/2009/12/go-data-structures-interfaces.html
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06:53 < goplexian> mmhmm thats what i'm looking for!
06:57 < goplexian> Separate question, why did the developers decide to make
the plan9 type compilers as well as the gccgo compiler?  Are they planning to drop
one of them eventually?  Are they two completely independent code-bases or are
they sharing code?
06:58 < uriel> the reasons have been discused elsewhere
06:58 < uriel> ken wrote the plan9 compilers, so that choice is not very
surprising
06:59 < uriel> (I personally fucking love how cross-compiling works on
ken-style compilers, and it is sad no other compilers do things that way)
06:59 < uriel> also ken's compilers are fucking insanely fast, which seems
to have been one of the main goals for Go
07:00 < uriel> as for gccgo, I think the goal of having multiple compilers
is an obvious one
07:00 < uriel> it makes much sense to have multiple implementations for a
given language, just like it is good to port a kernel to multiple architectures
07:01 < uriel> it makes sure you are not making any stupid asumptions about
the environment/tools you are using
07:01 < uriel> about sharing code, iant has said he wants to make gccgo use
the same runtime as gc
07:02 < uriel> but I have also heard there are plans to rewrite the runtime
in Go itself, and then there is the whole thing with a completely new concurrent
garbage collector
07:02 < uriel> so I guess iant is just waiting for that stuff to take shape
before switching gccgo over
07:02 < uriel> also iant has said he wants the gccgo frontend to be
independent of gcc so people could use it for a llvm frontend or whatever
07:03 < uriel> I think that is pretty much all i know
07:03 < goplexian> but isnt the "multi-arch" requirement already being met
by the plan9 compiler?  (6g, 8g, 5g)?  Wouldn't gccgo also require multiple
versions for multiple architectures?
07:05 < uriel> ?
07:05 < uriel> I made an analogy with arches, it is not the same thing
07:05 < uriel> also gccgo is a gcc *frontend*
07:06 < uriel> it uses the standard gcc backend, afaik it should work for
any platform gcc supports
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07:06 < goplexian> OK that makes more sense, I thought there would probably
need to be some porting involved for different platforms.
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07:11 < goplexian> I guess it could also be taken as sign they really want
Go to succeed, you don't make multiple compilers just for fun.
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07:34 < gnuvince> uriel: what's your association with the Go project?  Just
a fan or do you work on it at Google?
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07:44 < uriel> gnuvince: fanboy and court jester
07:45 < uriel> (or 'none whatsoever' if you prefer it)
07:45 < gnuvince> ok
07:45 < uriel> other than maintaining http://go-lang.cat-v.org
07:47 < gnuvince> Can you tell me if it's possible to use gotest outside of
$GOROOT or if I need to write my code in $GOROOT/src/pkg if I want to use it?
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07:49 < uriel> I think that has been asked in the mailing list before
07:50 < uriel> IIRC putting your stuff in $GOROOT/src/pkg/ is the best
option at the moment
07:50 < uriel> but I could be wrong
07:50 < gnuvince> OK
07:50 < gnuvince> I began writing my usual test-a-language program, but
couldn't write the tests
07:51 < gnuvince> Or rather, run them
07:51 < uriel> actually
07:51 < uriel> I'm probably wrong
07:51 < uriel> it is all about the makefiles..
07:51 < uriel> but I find putting stuff in $GOROOT/src/pkg/ simple and easy
enough, so..
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07:51 < gnuvince> ok
07:52 < gnuvince> I'll do that...  tomorrow
07:52 < gnuvince> :)
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07:53 < uriel> have fun
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12:00 < Vova> what was the update in Wed Dec 9 15:12:37 PST 2009?
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12:24 < uriel> Vova:
http://groups.google.com/group/golang-nuts/browse_thread/thread/6605fe6cace717dc
12:25 < uriel> Qtvali never gives up?
12:26 < ziyu4huang> haha....  I can't a agree more
12:28 < Vova> uriel: thanks :]
12:28 < ziyu4huang> He really like invent new syntax to solve
problem...uh...in his own style.
12:28 < uriel> I think he loves to invent problems
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12:29 < uriel> and he sure doesn't listen to any advice, I have sent him
about a dozen emails asking him to think a bit more before spamming the list
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13:43 < Guest45879> Is there an alternative gccgo repository other than
gcc.gnu.org?
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13:48 < uriel> Guest45879: not afaik, why?
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13:51 < uriel> 18:33 < dho> iant: any idea what's wrong with
gcc.gnu.org?
13:51 < uriel> 18:34 <+iant> the system is being moved this weekend
13:51 < uriel> 18:34 < dho> oh, screw.
13:51 < uriel> 18:34 <+iant> it's down now, and should be up again
tomorrow
13:51 < uriel> 18:34 <+iant> sorry
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13:51 < uriel> Guest45879: see ^^^^^
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14:14 < Guest45879> uriel: Thanks :D
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16:37 < GeoBSD> liar
16:38 < rohan> i started understanding the syntax today
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17:16 < drhodes> topic
17:16 < GeoBSD> topic!
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17:19 < TheMG1> does defer evaluate the args when it actually calls the
function, or when you ask for it to be deferred?
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17:23 < drhodes> gcc.gnu.org seems to be down.
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17:25 < Daminvar> TheMG1: I just tested it and it seems that it evaluates
the args when you ask for it to be deferred.
17:25 < TheMG1> cool, thanks
17:25 < Daminvar> No problem =)
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17:31 < rohan> anyone has syntax file for gedit?
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17:33 < Daminvar> There are a few listed here
http://go-lang.cat-v.org/text-editors/gedit/
17:33 < rohan> thnx,i will check
17:34 < rohan> go it, thnx daminvar
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18:36 < taruti> Is there any rationale for omitting libc and doing things
from scratch?  Seems like this will make any interfacing with other things much
more painful..
18:36 < taruti> or is it just "glibc sucks" attitude from Plan 9?  :)
18:36 < dagle1> A little I think.
18:37 < jessta> but glibc does suck
18:37 < JBeshir> taruti: They're statically compiled, and linking libc while
statically compiling would be big, I believe.
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18:41 < taruti> JBeshir: not much larger.
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18:43 < taruti> jessta: not supporting interacting with C libraries (which
need libc), nsswitch.conf or pam sucks too.
18:43 < JBeshir> taruti: See "cgo"
18:43 < taruti> JBeshir: "cgo" does not really help.
18:44 < taruti> JBeshir: C libraries tend to want to link with libc
18:44 < taruti> or am I missing something
18:44 < JBeshir> I think you're missing something.
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18:46 < taruti> JBeshir: if I want to e.g.  use libssl with cgo.  libssl
depends on glibc.  Thus I would end up with both glibc and the go libc
replacement.
18:47 < taruti> (or some other library in place of libssl)
18:48 < JBeshir> taruti: cgo generates two Go files, and two C files, one
for 6g and one for gcc.
18:48 < taruti> JBeshir: and the final executable?
18:49 < JBeshir> taruti: I dunno.  I understand it works, though.
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19:45 < GeoBSD> __ed: you are noisy
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19:51 < GeoBSD> __ed: you are noisy
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20:04 < GeoBSD> /ignore __ed
20:05 < MattCampbell> I wonder if the Go language is suitable for developing
web applications, especially the CRUD-heavy variety for which Rails and Django are
currently popular.
20:08 < MattCampbell> I imagine Go would really shine in applications that
involve long-lived HTTP connections with the server pushing data to the client
("Comet"), since goroutines have relatively low overhead.
20:09 < bluszcz> MattCampbell: I think, that you to answer for the question
"what makes language suitable for developping web application"
20:09 < bluszcz> "that you should "
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20:51 < taruti> MattCampbell: web application support is mostly about having
good libraries.
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20:54 < uriel> nsswitch.conf and pam *really* suck
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20:55 < taruti> uriel: of course the plan9 way may be better, but having
them is better than nothing.
20:56 < uriel> taruti: having what?  Go has the Go way, I suspect (but have
no clue) that the goal is to have Go libs to do everything that is needed
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20:58 < taruti> uriel: it would be quite nice to have these things
system-wide instead of just Go doing things in different ways from the rest of the
OS.
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20:59 < taruti> uriel: I agree that the linux way is stupid in certain ways,
but until we get better things interacting with it would be nice.
20:59 < uriel> taruti: why?
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21:02 < taruti> uriel: e.g.  we use a kerberos+afs setup (over a vpn) that
in linux is quite tied up with pam+nsswitch.conf things and this leaves Go in the
dark.  (9p just does not do enough in the situation)
21:03 < uriel> really, does anyone use afs for anything?
21:03 < uriel> the thing is beyond insane
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21:03 < GeoBSD> afs ?
21:04 < uriel> and I still don't see what it has to do with anythig,
open()/read()/write()/...  sycalls will work just fine form Go
21:04 < uriel> GeoBSD: indeed
21:04 < uriel> GeoBSD: it makes NFS look small and thin
21:04 < GeoBSD> ahhh
21:04 < spikebike> uriel yeah, then again there's nothing that's a
functional equiv
21:05 < taruti> (afs *is* overcomplicated)
21:05 < taruti> but there is no alternative really :(
21:05 < uriel> taruti: again, what are you trying to do that Go can't do?
21:06 < taruti> uriel: e.g.  displaying group-things.
21:07 < uriel> taruti: uhu?  like what?
21:07 < taruti> uriel: basically implementing "chgrp foo /tmp/bar"
21:07 < uriel> taruti: there are syscalls for that
21:08 < taruti> uriel: nope.
21:08 < uriel> nope?
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21:08 < uriel> how it hapens?  it is some kind of magic voodoo incantation
then?
21:08 < taruti> uriel: libc uses nsswitch.conf to do foo -> someNumber
and the syscall wants someNumber.
21:08 < uriel> oh, you mean that crap
21:08 < uriel> (god unix's uid system is retarded, I keep forgeting)
21:09 < taruti> :P
21:09 < GeoBSD> make a driver ?
21:09 < taruti> yes, having them as group names in the syscall interface
would be saner, but unix *is* ugly in that regard.
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21:09 < uriel> taruti: really, that seems a rather far fetched use case
anyway, and all it would take is a one line C function you could call using cgo
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21:10 < taruti> uriel: and that C function in turn depends on glibc and thus
we get double bloatage into the executable :(
21:10 < uriel> /ignore __ed
21:11 < uriel> taruti: well, you use bloatware, you deal with it
21:11 < taruti> point
21:11 < uriel> that or write your own group mapping thingie
21:11 < uriel> which is not hard if you ignore the silly afs setups and the
like that nobody uses anyway
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21:52 < klimek> good evening...
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21:54 < klimek> what's the best way to debug go?  valgrind barfs...
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