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02:31 < uriel> what next? will he ask for multiple inheritance? 02:34 < sahazel> hey, so I wrote a little consistent hashing library in go 02:34 < sahazel> is there somewhere that I should post that so people looking for go libraries can find it? 02:35 -!- lenst [n=user@81-237-244-185-no52.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:35 < uriel> sahazel: just give me the address where to find it and I will add it to http://go-lang.cat-v.org/ (if it is not already there) 02:35 -!- djanderson [n=dja@hltncable.pioneerbroadband.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:37 -!- kimelto [n=kimelto@boulz.org] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 02:38 -!- danderson [n=dave@atlas.natulte.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:38 -!- Anthony [n=Anthony@CPE001a7062e623-CM001947479dde.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #go-nuts 02:38 < Guest8206> Can Go be compiled on PowerPC archictecture? 02:39 < raichoo> Is there a specific reason why calling (*t).Test(); Does not modify (*t).a even though i declared func (p T) Test() { p.a = 1; }? 02:40 < KirkMcDonald> raichoo: That receiver is taking the struct by value. 02:40 < KirkMcDonald> raichoo: That is, 'p' is a copy of the struct. 02:40 < raichoo> Makes sense ^^Thank you 02:40 < sahazel> uriel: okay, will do, as soon as I've got it in github or whatever 02:42 < raichoo> KirkMcDonald: So using pointers is the way to go here? 02:43 < KirkMcDonald> raichoo: Yes, I would assume so. 02:44 < raichoo> Alright. 02:44 -!- Guest8206 [n=Anthony@CPE001a7062e623-CM001947479dde.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #go-nuts [] 02:52 -!- desty [n=desty@cpc2-sgyl25-0-0-cust269.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 02:53 -!- nullpo [n=nullpo@221x252x46x83.ap221.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #go-nuts 02:57 -!- nightmouse [n=scheiber@c-69-247-77-241.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:57 -!- prip [n=_prip@host167-195-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:01 -!- nullpo [n=nullpo@221x252x46x83.ap221.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit ["Leaving..."] 03:01 -!- prip [n=_prip@host37-196-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #go-nuts 03:22 -!- armence [n=armence@c-67-188-229-128.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 03:29 -!- raichoo [n=raichoo@i577AEBAD.versanet.de] has quit ["http://raichoo.blogspot.com"] 03:35 -!- Anthony [n=Anthony@CPE001a7062e623-CM001947479dde.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #go-nuts 03:35 < Guest4292> I'm trying to compile Go on my PowerPC. Whenever I try to compile anything, I get the error "hello.go:3: fatal error: can't find import: fmt". Does anyone know what to do? 03:40 -!- armence [n=armence@c-67-188-229-128.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:40 -!- armence [n=armence@c-67-188-229-128.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 03:42 < uriel> Guest4292: I hope you are using gccgo... 03:43 < Guest4292> uriel: I'm using 8g. Would it make a difference? 03:43 < uriel> obviously 03:43 < Guest4292> lol. ok 03:43 < uriel> 8g is the x86 compiler 03:43 < Guest4292> It should still be able to create a x86 binary, right? 03:44 < uriel> yes, but it has to be built with 8c, which is a C compiler for x86 too 03:44 < uriel> why are you building x86 binaries on a ppc box anyway? 03:44 < uriel> doesn't sound very useful 03:45 < uriel> also, what have you set your $GOARCH to? 03:45 < Guest4292> I just wanted to see if it would compile. 03:45 < Guest4292> I got Debian installed. 03:45 < uriel> if you are on ppc, use gccgo 03:46 < Guest4292> k. I'll try it out. thx. 03:59 -!- eulenspiegel [n=irssi@p579CAE07.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 04:01 -!- plediii [n=plediii@nat-128-42-158-223.rice.edu] has quit [] 04:04 -!- Guest4292 [n=Anthony@CPE001a7062e623-CM001947479dde.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:05 -!- Associat0r [n=Associat@h163153.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #go-nuts 04:05 -!- path[l] [n=path@115.240.79.146] has joined #go-nuts 04:09 -!- plediii [n=plediii@adsl-70-141-115-163.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:19 -!- path[l] [n=path@115.240.79.146] has quit [] 04:32 -!- nightmouse [n=scheiber@c-69-247-77-241.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 04:33 -!- plediii [n=plediii@adsl-70-141-115-163.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:34 -!- [[sroracle]] [n=sroracle@c-98-215-178-14.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 04:39 -!- ekiru [n=ekiru@97.95.155.34] has joined #go-nuts 04:51 -!- Ciao [n=sroracle@unaffiliated/sroracle] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:53 -!- [[sroracle]] [n=sroracle@unaffiliated/sroracle] has quit ["<sresp.co.cc>"] 04:55 -!- fhs [n=fhs@pool-72-89-203-117.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:03 -!- zhaozhou [n=zhaozhou@linfast108.bitnet.nu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:03 -!- zhaozhou_ [n=zhaozhou@linfast108.bitnet.nu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:04 -!- Fraeon [n=kzer-za@e212-246-65-153.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 05:05 -!- plediii [n=plediii@nat-128-42-155-52.rice.edu] has joined #go-nuts 05:26 -!- anticw [n=anticw@76.126.87.56] has quit ["leaving"] 05:26 -!- anticw [n=anticw@c-76-126-87-56.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:26 -!- Xera^ [n=lol@87-194-208-246.bethere.co.uk] has quit ["( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )"] 05:28 -!- triplez [n=triplez@cm52.sigma225.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #go-nuts 05:39 -!- armence [n=armence@c-67-188-229-128.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:40 -!- slashus2_ [n=slashus2@74-137-26-8.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #go-nuts 05:46 -!- murodes1 [n=James@203-59-86-168.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #go-nuts 05:50 -!- ekiru [n=ekiru@97.95.155.34] has quit [] 05:55 -!- plediii_ [n=plediii@nat-128-42-158-223.rice.edu] has joined #go-nuts 05:59 -!- murodese [n=James@203-59-51-137.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 06:03 -!- JSharpe2 [n=jamie@5ad50265.bb.sky.com] has joined #go-nuts 06:08 -!- plediii [n=plediii@nat-128-42-155-52.rice.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:13 -!- droid001 [n=g1@p4FDCBCA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Success] 06:15 -!- droid001 [n=g1@p4FDC9B44.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:18 -!- JSharpe [n=jamie@5ad50265.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:20 -!- e1f` [n=user@141.117.1.155] has joined #go-nuts 06:20 -!- Rob_Russell [n=chatzill@206-248-157-156.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 06:21 -!- e1f [n=user@141.117.1.155] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:26 < goplexian> :) OK... someone explain interfaces to me, I dont think I get it fully. 06:27 < goplexian> my mind is to used to objects I think 06:30 -!- sliceofpi [n=sliceofp@c-98-194-205-176.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:47 -!- clearscreen [n=clearscr@e248070.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:51 < uriel> OO damages the brain 06:51 < goplexian> ah, that would explain the problem 06:52 < uriel> goplexian: http://research.swtch.com/2009/12/go-data-structures-interfaces.html 06:52 -!- Bytecode_ [n=bytecode@c-24-8-248-65.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:53 < goplexian> mmhmm thats what i'm looking for! 06:57 < goplexian> Separate question, why did the developers decide to make the plan9 type compilers as well as the gccgo compiler? Are they planning to drop one of them eventually? Are they two completely independent code-bases or are they sharing code? 06:58 < uriel> the reasons have been discused elsewhere 06:58 < uriel> ken wrote the plan9 compilers, so that choice is not very surprising 06:59 < uriel> (I personally fucking love how cross-compiling works on ken-style compilers, and it is sad no other compilers do things that way) 06:59 < uriel> also ken's compilers are fucking insanely fast, which seems to have been one of the main goals for Go 07:00 < uriel> as for gccgo, I think the goal of having multiple compilers is an obvious one 07:00 < uriel> it makes much sense to have multiple implementations for a given language, just like it is good to port a kernel to multiple architectures 07:01 < uriel> it makes sure you are not making any stupid asumptions about the environment/tools you are using 07:01 < uriel> about sharing code, iant has said he wants to make gccgo use the same runtime as gc 07:02 < uriel> but I have also heard there are plans to rewrite the runtime in Go itself, and then there is the whole thing with a completely new concurrent garbage collector 07:02 < uriel> so I guess iant is just waiting for that stuff to take shape before switching gccgo over 07:02 < uriel> also iant has said he wants the gccgo frontend to be independent of gcc so people could use it for a llvm frontend or whatever 07:03 < uriel> I think that is pretty much all i know 07:03 < goplexian> but isnt the "multi-arch" requirement already being met by the plan9 compiler? (6g, 8g, 5g)? Wouldn't gccgo also require multiple versions for multiple architectures? 07:05 < uriel> ? 07:05 < uriel> I made an analogy with arches, it is not the same thing 07:05 < uriel> also gccgo is a gcc *frontend* 07:06 < uriel> it uses the standard gcc backend, afaik it should work for any platform gcc supports 07:06 -!- clearscreen [n=clearscr@e248070.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #go-nuts 07:06 < goplexian> OK that makes more sense, I thought there would probably need to be some porting involved for different platforms. 07:08 -!- djanderson [n=dja@hltncable.pioneerbroadband.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:11 < goplexian> I guess it could also be taken as sign they really want Go to succeed, you don't make multiple compilers just for fun. 07:13 -!- kanru [n=kanru@61-228-164-59.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #go-nuts 07:19 -!- rndbot [n=bot@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:24 -!- kanru [n=kanru@61-228-164-59.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit ["WeeChat 0.3.1-dev"] 07:26 -!- Bytecode_ [n=bytecode@c-24-8-248-65.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:27 -!- Hertta [n=ptr@188.72.205.52] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:31 -!- illya77 [n=illya77@135-184-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #go-nuts 07:34 < gnuvince> uriel: what's your association with the Go project? Just a fan or do you work on it at Google? 07:44 -!- keeto [n=keeto@121.54.92.149] has quit [] 07:44 < uriel> gnuvince: fanboy and court jester 07:45 < uriel> (or 'none whatsoever' if you prefer it) 07:45 < gnuvince> ok 07:45 < uriel> other than maintaining http://go-lang.cat-v.org 07:47 < gnuvince> Can you tell me if it's possible to use gotest outside of $GOROOT or if I need to write my code in $GOROOT/src/pkg if I want to use it? 07:49 -!- grizzlysmit [n=grizzlys@123-243-91-241.tpgi.com.au] has joined #go-nuts 07:49 -!- grizzlysmit [n=grizzlys@123-243-91-241.tpgi.com.au] has left #go-nuts [] 07:49 -!- tokuhiro_______2 [n=tokuhiro@s230.GtokyoFL21.vectant.ne.jp] has quit ["Tiarra 0.1: SIGTERM received; exit"] 07:49 < uriel> I think that has been asked in the mailing list before 07:50 < uriel> IIRC putting your stuff in $GOROOT/src/pkg/ is the best option at the moment 07:50 < uriel> but I could be wrong 07:50 < gnuvince> OK 07:50 < gnuvince> I began writing my usual test-a-language program, but couldn't write the tests 07:51 < gnuvince> Or rather, run them 07:51 < uriel> actually 07:51 < uriel> I'm probably wrong 07:51 < uriel> it is all about the makefiles.. 07:51 < uriel> but I find putting stuff in $GOROOT/src/pkg/ simple and easy enough, so.. 07:51 -!- stalled [n=411@unaffiliated/stalled] has quit [] 07:51 < gnuvince> ok 07:52 < gnuvince> I'll do that... tomorrow 07:52 < gnuvince> :) 07:52 -!- wollw [n=dshere@75-101-22-68.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit ["leaving"] 07:53 < uriel> have fun 08:09 -!- maacl [n=mac@0x573526c8.virnxx17.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #go-nuts 08:10 -!- maacl [n=mac@0x573526c8.virnxx17.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Client Quit] 08:10 -!- ako [n=nya@f051181010.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 08:11 -!- maacl [n=mac@0x573526c8.virnxx17.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #go-nuts 08:12 -!- maacl [n=mac@0x573526c8.virnxx17.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:12 -!- maacl 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Seems like this will make any interfacing with other things much more painful.. 18:36 < taruti> or is it just "glibc sucks" attitude from Plan 9? :) 18:36 < dagle1> A little I think. 18:37 < jessta> but glibc does suck 18:37 < JBeshir> taruti: They're statically compiled, and linking libc while statically compiling would be big, I believe. 18:38 -!- zhaozhou [n=zhaozhou@linfast108.bitnet.nu] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 18:39 -!- __ed [i=bitch@anal-co.it] has quit ["changing servers"] 18:40 -!- __ed [i=bitch@anal-co.it] has joined #go-nuts 18:41 < taruti> JBeshir: not much larger. 18:42 -!- Dejv [n=Dejv@ip4-83-240-24-145.cust.nbox.cz] has joined #go-nuts 18:43 < taruti> jessta: not supporting interacting with C libraries (which need libc), nsswitch.conf or pam sucks too. 18:43 < JBeshir> taruti: See "cgo" 18:43 < taruti> JBeshir: "cgo" does not really help. 18:44 < taruti> JBeshir: C libraries tend to want to link with libc 18:44 < taruti> or am I missing something 18:44 < JBeshir> I think you're missing something. 18:44 -!- aaront [n=aaront@d24-141-25-171.home.cgocable.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:44 -!- gkmngrgn [n=gkmngrgn@unaffiliated/gkmngrgn] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:46 -!- __ed [i=bitch@anal-co.it] has quit ["changing servers"] 18:46 -!- __ed [i=bitch@anal-co.it] has joined #go-nuts 18:46 < taruti> JBeshir: if I want to e.g. use libssl with cgo. libssl depends on glibc. Thus I would end up with both glibc and the go libc replacement. 18:47 < taruti> (or some other library in place of libssl) 18:48 < JBeshir> taruti: cgo generates two Go files, and two C files, one for 6g and one for gcc. 18:48 < taruti> JBeshir: and the final executable? 18:49 < JBeshir> taruti: I dunno. 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Go has the Go way, I suspect (but have no clue) that the goal is to have Go libs to do everything that is needed 20:57 -!- __ed [i=bitch@anal-co.it] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:57 -!- __ed [i=bitch@anal-co.it] has joined #go-nuts 20:58 < taruti> uriel: it would be quite nice to have these things system-wide instead of just Go doing things in different ways from the rest of the OS. 20:58 -!- aaront [n=aaront@unaffiliated/aaront] has quit ["And that's all he wrote..."] 20:59 < taruti> uriel: I agree that the linux way is stupid in certain ways, but until we get better things interacting with it would be nice. 20:59 < uriel> taruti: why? 21:00 -!- nu-eve [n=chatzill@89.130.223.225] has joined #go-nuts 21:00 -!- iwikiwi [n=iwikiwi@202.3.77.160] has joined #go-nuts 21:02 < taruti> uriel: e.g. we use a kerberos+afs setup (over a vpn) that in linux is quite tied up with pam+nsswitch.conf things and this leaves Go in the dark. (9p just does not do enough in the situation) 21:03 < uriel> really, does anyone use afs for anything? 21:03 < uriel> the thing is beyond insane 21:03 -!- bronchmx [n=x@85.100.123.109] has joined #go-nuts 21:03 -!- __ed [i=bitch@anal-co.it] has quit ["changing servers"] 21:03 -!- __ed [i=bitch@anal-co.it] has joined #go-nuts 21:03 < GeoBSD> afs ? 21:04 < uriel> and I still don't see what it has to do with anythig, open()/read()/write()/... sycalls will work just fine form Go 21:04 < uriel> GeoBSD: indeed 21:04 < uriel> GeoBSD: it makes NFS look small and thin 21:04 < GeoBSD> ahhh 21:04 < spikebike> uriel yeah, then again there's nothing that's a functional equiv 21:05 < taruti> (afs *is* overcomplicated) 21:05 < taruti> but there is no alternative really :( 21:05 < uriel> taruti: again, what are you trying to do that Go can't do? 21:06 < taruti> uriel: e.g. displaying group-things. 21:07 < uriel> taruti: uhu? like what? 21:07 < taruti> uriel: basically implementing "chgrp foo /tmp/bar" 21:07 < uriel> taruti: there are syscalls for that 21:08 < taruti> uriel: nope. 21:08 < uriel> nope? 21:08 -!- stivioo [n=stivio@201.226.140.46] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:08 < uriel> how it hapens? it is some kind of magic voodoo incantation then? 21:08 < taruti> uriel: libc uses nsswitch.conf to do foo -> someNumber and the syscall wants someNumber. 21:08 < uriel> oh, you mean that crap 21:08 < uriel> (god unix's uid system is retarded, I keep forgeting) 21:09 < taruti> :P 21:09 < GeoBSD> make a driver ? 21:09 < taruti> yes, having them as group names in the syscall interface would be saner, but unix *is* ugly in that regard. 21:09 -!- __ed [i=bitch@anal-co.it] has quit ["changing servers"] 21:09 < uriel> taruti: really, that seems a rather far fetched use case anyway, and all it would take is a one line C function you could call using cgo 21:10 -!- __ed [i=bitch@anal-co.it] has joined #go-nuts 21:10 < taruti> uriel: and that C function in turn depends on glibc and thus we get double 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