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00:03 < BleSS> is there any advantage for go-routines over libev?
00:04 < BleSS> a full-featured and high-performance event loop -
http://software.schmorp.de/pkg/libev.html
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00:10 < Eridius> is fnmatch() available from within Go?
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01:12 < nf_> and when i suggested to tallulah we install a sophisticated
surveillence system she was very enthusiastic
01:12 < nf_> uhh
01:12 < nf_> wrong window - please ignore that =)
01:14 < dagle2> Never!
01:14 < Eridius> hrm, go's regexps are very primitive, aren't they?
01:15 < KirkMcDonald> Eridius: Heh, I think the regexp package is there to
say "hey look it is possible to go regexes in Go" than anything else.
01:15 < KirkMcDonald> Er, s/than/more than/
01:15 < Eridius> it looks like it doesn't even support embedding character
classes (e.g.  [[0-9][a-z]]), which even basic POSIX regexes support
01:16 < KirkMcDonald> Wouldn't that just be spelled [0-9a-z] ?
01:16 < Eridius> KirkMcDonald: this is being a pain because Go doesn't have
Fnmatch either, so I'm trying to recreate Fnmatch by transforming the glob pattern
into a regex
01:16 < Eridius> KirkMcDonald: yeah, but in a more complicated case it
wouldn't
01:16 < Eridius> in my case I'd like to be able to embed one
dynamically-constructed character class in another, but I can't
01:16 < Eridius> in basic regexes I can say [[:alpha:][:digit:]] if I want
01:17 < KirkMcDonald> I did not think that e.g.  [:alpha:] was standard.
01:17 < Eridius> it's part of POSIX regexes
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01:17 < Eridius> man 7 re_format
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01:18 < KirkMcDonald> I guess I have more experience with Python re's than
anything else.
01:18 < KirkMcDonald> Oh, and vim.
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01:18 < Eridius> vim's regexes are not at all standard :p
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01:18 < KirkMcDonald> But they do support [:alpha:].
01:19 < KirkMcDonald> Python, on the other hand, does not.
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01:19 < Eridius> even PCRE supports [:foo:] named character classes.  What
does Python use?
01:20 < KirkMcDonald> "Even" PCRE?  :-)
01:20 < KirkMcDonald> I've always thought of PCRE as being one of the more
full-featured regex engines.
01:20 < KirkMcDonald> http://docs.python.org/library/re.html
01:20 < Eridius> yes I know PCRE is, my point was that a widely-used
"standard" regex engine supports them
01:21 < Eridius> yeah that document describes the regex format, but doesn't
say what engine it uses.  I wonder if it's actually custom to Python?
01:21 < Ycros> "standard" regexes?  lol.
01:21 < KirkMcDonald> Eridius: Python uses its own regexes.
01:21 < Eridius> Ycros: note the quotes :p
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01:22 < Eridius> why does Python use a custom engine?
01:22 < KirkMcDonald> To take advantage of Python features.
01:22 < Eridius> I thought PCRE supported an extension mechanism to do
host-language callouts, just like Perl itself provides?
01:22 < KirkMcDonald> Named groups, for example.
01:22 < nf_> Eridius: one thing that springs to mind is the ability to use a
func as a substitution
01:22 < Eridius> doesn't PCRE have named groups?
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01:23 < KirkMcDonald> Eridius: Perhaps.
01:23 < Ycros> Eridius: why not?  does it matter?
01:23 < KirkMcDonald> Eridius: I expect the reasons are also historical.
01:23 < Ycros> most languages I've used all do their own things -_-
01:23 < Eridius> nf_: PCRE has something called "callouts" which should
provide that ability
01:23 < nf_> Ycros: incompatibility?
01:23 < Eridius> really I don't see any reason for a new language to use
anything other than PCRE or Oniguruma
01:23 < nf_> Eridius: hmm.  well a regex engine seems like a pretty fun
thing to write =) maybe that's why
01:23 < Ycros> so I rarely expect anything to be consistent, anywhere, in
terms of regexes
01:23 < Eridius> nf_: yeah but it's hard to beat the performance of the
existing ones
01:24 < KirkMcDonald> Eridius: Python's re module is older than PCRE.
01:24 < skelterjohn> eridius: Not at all
http://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp1.html
01:24 < skelterjohn> the "existing ones" supplied by perl, for example, are
REALLY REALLY slow compared to the state of the art
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01:24 < Eridius> skelterjohn: PCRE is "perl-compatible".  AFAIK it's not
actually the engine Perl uses
01:25 < Eridius> but yeah, if you can beat performance of PCRE or Oniguruma,
then you should contribute back to those projects rather than spawning off a brand
new incompatible engine
01:25 < KirkMcDonald> It is not difficult to implement an engine which is
more efficient by limiting the featureset.
01:26 < Eridius> I suppose that's true, but people always want to use stuff
not provided by said limited featureset
01:26 < Ycros> Eridius: well, create bindings for one of them and implement
a go layer on top and submit a patch
01:26 < Eridius> Ycros: it would help if there was a stable Go<->C
bridge :p
01:26 < Ycros> Eridius: well, you can fix some cgo issues as well :P
01:27 < Eridius> ah hah, Python 1.5 (which introduced "re") was released in
1998, PCRE was released in 1997 :p
01:27 < KirkMcDonald> Eridius: And when was PCRE useful?
01:27 < Eridius> no clue
01:28 < Eridius> Go doesn't have the ternary operator, right?
01:28 < Ycros> nope
01:29 < Eridius> bah
01:29 < KirkMcDonald> Heh heh.
01:29 < KirkMcDonald> You can always fake it.
01:29 < Ycros> quite on purpose
01:29 < Eridius> Haskell can get away with that because it's functional, so
you can put if statements where expressions are expected
01:29 < Ycros> :P
01:29 < Ycros> aye
01:29 * Eridius doesn't like taking 4 lines to do what 1 line could have done with
a conditional expression
01:29 < Ycros> Eridius: but that is because ifs aren't statements but
expressions
01:29 < Eridius> Ycros: exactly
01:30 < Eridius> but in Go if is a statement
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01:30 < Ycros> aye
01:30 < Ycros> it doesn't bother me
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01:30 < Eridius> also, if I'm reading the language spec correctly, is it
actually legal to use a simple statement instead of a block as the body of an
"else" clause?
01:31 < skelterjohn> yes
01:31 < skelterjohn> apparently there was some internal debate on the
subject
01:31 < Eridius> weird.  Was that deliberate, or just a side-effect of how
else if was done?
01:31 < skelterjohn> but in the end, it was intentional
01:31 < Eridius> huh
01:31 < KirkMcDonald> Heh heh
01:31 < skelterjohn> seems odd to me
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01:31 < Eridius> yeah, but I suppose it's a simple way to handle else if
01:32 < KirkMcDonald> map[bool]string{true: "true expression", false: "false
expression"}[condition]
01:32 < KirkMcDonald> There!  A ternary operator.
01:32 < skelterjohn> looks efficient
01:32 < nf_> that, and enforcing the block after if solves the nested
if/else ambiguity
01:32 < Eridius> KirkMcDonald: no it's not.  It evaluates both branches
before picking one
01:32 < KirkMcDonald> Eridius: Pish-posh.
01:32 < nf_> whereas requring a block after else doesn't resolve any
ambiguity
01:32 < Eridius> nf_: you can resolve the ambiguity without requiring a
block
01:33 < Eridius> granted, you can't resolve the *visual* ambiguity if you
indent poorly, but you can handle the parsing ambiguity just fine
01:33 < Eridius> and with gofmt there should be no visual ambiguity :p
01:33 < skelterjohn> eridius: certainly, but they decided to resolve it
using required blocks.
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01:33 < Eridius> yeah I don't mind requiring blocks for if
01:33 < Eridius> I just found it odd that it's required for if but not for
else
01:33 < skelterjohn> same.
01:33 < KirkMcDonald> (map[bool]func()string{false: func()string{return
"false"}, true: func()string{return "true"}}[condition]()
01:33 < skelterjohn> *shrug*
01:33 < skelterjohn> I don't really care a lot about syntax.
01:33 < KirkMcDonald> Er, minus the leading )
01:33 < nf_> Eridius: you may easily write something you don't mean, and
miss the re-indentation
01:33 < KirkMcDonald> Er, the leading (, even.
01:33 < Eridius> KirkMcDonald: ...eww :p
01:33 < skelterjohn> kirkmcdonald: quite a mouthful
01:34 < nf_> Eridius: enforcing the block removes that
01:34 < KirkMcDonald> Isn't that clearer than condition ? "true" : "false" ?
01:34 < skelterjohn> you could write a function "Tertiary(condition,
trueThunk, falseThunk)"
01:34 < KirkMcDonald> Heh.
01:34 < Eridius> what the...  in regexp.go, type _CharClass has a field
named "char", but I can't see it actually accessed anywhere, nor can I think of a
purpose for it
01:35 < skelterjohn> might be a bit more visually appealing than a map
01:35 < Eridius> skelterjohn: yeah but Go doesn't have macros so you'd have
to manually wrap the thunks as function objects
01:35 < Eridius> so that wouldn't really be any prettier
01:36 < skelterjohn> the tertiary operator is just one of many ways to cram
too much code onto one line, so I don't mind it missing
01:36 < Eridius> ehh, it can be abused, but it's also useful
01:36 < skelterjohn> same as with any feature
01:36 < skelterjohn> line has to be drawn.
01:36 < Eridius> yeah, which is why it's odd for the ternary operator to be
singled-out
01:37 < skelterjohn> there are many features that are in other languages
that aren't in go, so ternary operators shouldn't feel lonely :)
01:37 < nf_> i don't see how it's singled out?  there are plenty of langauge
features that didn't make it into go
01:37 < nf_> (or "haven't yet")
01:37 < Eridius> most languages have at least some way of doing a
conditional as an expression
01:37 < skelterjohn> subjective bias.
01:38 < Eridius> true, but it's *my* subjectiveness :p
01:38 < skelterjohn> not saying you're being irrational
01:38 < nf_> bare in mind that every language has its individual aesthetic,
and the authors of Go evidently decided they don't like ?:
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01:39 < nf_> a big part of Go's design addresses clarity
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01:39 < nf_> and enforced style
01:39 < skelterjohn> which is why i don't really get the lack of a {} req.
for else statements
01:39 < Eridius> hrm, any reason "fallthrough" and "defer" aren't addressed
in Effective Go?
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01:39 < skelterjohn> but i can always put them in, so that's an easy one to
ignore
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01:40 < skelterjohn> eridius: because it's not the language spec.  they
picked on a few items they thought would be useful as an intro to the language.
01:40 < nf_> skelterjohn: as Eridius pointed out, it does make 'else if'
more palatable without muddying things
01:40 < skelterjohn> nf_: ah good point
01:40 < Eridius> skelterjohn: yeah, but Effective Go mentions that case
statements do not fall through.  It seems like a good place to mention the
"fallthrough" statement
01:40 < Eridius> the lack of defer, I can understand.
01:40 < nf_> Eridius: the Effective Go document is a small starting point -
there will be more written in the future along those lines
01:41 < skelterjohn> *looks up fallthrough*
01:41 < KirkMcDonald> Heh.  The first thing I did when I heard about Go was
read the spec.
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01:41 < skelterjohn> you possess a focused mind
01:42 < skelterjohn> my idea of light reading is somewhat different
01:42 < KirkMcDonald> The spec is actually quite readable.
01:42 < nf_> my idea of light reading is disassembled core dumps!
</alphanerd>?
01:42 < skelterjohn> sure, as language specs go
01:42 < KirkMcDonald> It's a brief, but exhaustive, overview of the entirety
of the language.
01:42 < nf_> KirkMcDonald: yeah the crosslinking of node types helps
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01:43 < KirkMcDonald> And the language is small enough that someone can
actually read it in one sitting.
01:43 < nf_> i like how you can literally click through the document to
parse a string in your head =)
01:43 < KirkMcDonald> Yes, the linking to the grammar is nice.
01:43 < skelterjohn> I like that feature too
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01:44 < Eridius> hrm, is there more documentation somewhere on how to use
cgo?  The command documentation is pretty sparse, and I don't see anything
anywhere else.  Am I supposed to just read the stuff in $GOROOT/misc/cgo ?
01:44 < KirkMcDonald> I have not yet used cgo.
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01:45 < skelterjohn> the only thing i'd really like to see in go (besides an
effective garbage collector) is more basic concurrency constructs
01:45 < KirkMcDonald> In my opinion, it won't be truly useful until they
solve the callback problem.
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01:45 < skelterjohn> or templates, which i could use to make nice
concurrency constructs
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01:45 < KirkMcDonald> Templates may be nice.
01:45 < KirkMcDonald> I like D's template semantics, and would not be
displeased if Go stole them whole-cloth.
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01:47 < KirkMcDonald> Specifically, the "template as namespace" concept, and
the single-member/same-name rule.
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01:51 < Eridius> pfft, the header doc for the misc/gmp/gmp.go file (which is
the most comprehensive documentation for cgo I've found) doesn't mention
C.CString()
01:51 < Eridius> which is apparently a function that translates a string
object into a CString suitable for giving to C funcs, and which it seems you must
also call C.free() on
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01:53 < skelterjohn> <yoda>mature, this language is not</yoda>
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01:55 < fission6> would anyone here be interested in getting a project going
for a RESTful API for Go to create web services and "native" web applications?
01:58 < JBeshir> RESTful?
01:58 * JBeshir wants Go FastCGI, that's it.  :P
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01:59 < ffission6> whats the point of FastCGI
01:59 < uriel> didn't somebody implement fcgi already?
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01:59 < JBeshir> To allow a language to fit into an existing webserver and
alongside other webapps, without needing to be special and used exclusively on its
own.
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02:00 < uriel> JBeshir: actually, there are *two* fcgi implementations:
http://go-lang.cat-v.org/pure-go-libs
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02:00 < Venom_X> yeah, there's a couple of go fcgi implementations already
02:00 < JBeshir> Any submitted for inclusion in the core library?
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02:00 < uriel> JBeshir: not afaik
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02:00 < JBeshir> Nice, still.
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02:01 < ffission6> i could see the use but why not just build the server &
application with Go, isn't that sort of the point of it
02:01 < kimelto> What's the need of fcgi?  You can serve http via the go
http pkg.  And your front servers proxy the requests to your app servers?
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02:02 < ffission6> kimelto thats my point
02:02 < kimelto> ;)
02:02 < ffission6> i mean the hope i see for Go is that its a native web
application framework (server/application/concourrancy/cluster)
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02:03 < ffission6> so with that said i would be interested in building out a
rest api/framework over Go's http
02:03 < ffission6> library
02:03 < Eridius> anybody here familiar with cgo?
02:04 < Eridius> I want to use a few #defines to create Go constants, but
the compiler claims they're not constant initializers
02:04 < ffission6> ill check back, but would be interested to take a poll
off anyone who'd be interested in building out a RESTful library for Go
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02:04 < Eridius> the generated .go file is translating C.FNM_PATHNAME into
*_C_FNM_PATHNAME.  That's not right
02:05 < kimelto> ffission6: xmlrpc or something new?
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02:05 < ffission6> nah i want to build a REST Api over top the http library
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02:06 < kimelto> yeah, but what would be the format of the serialized
objects?
02:06 < ffission6> to map URLs to Code portions/services
02:06 < kimelto> binary?
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02:07 < ffission6> oh, well as part of the libary i would hope to make the
format seamless or part of the library, ie i can request thing sin binary, YAML,
JSON, XML
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02:07 < ffission6> i think that output should be trivial and part of the
libary to easily / dynamically change
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project off, ill be back tomorrow to repole, anyone with REST experience i'd love
to hear from
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02:15 < uriel> spikebike: the sha256 code just got committed
02:15 < ffission6> kimelto: so what do you think?
02:16 < uriel> spikebike:
http://code.google.com/p/go/source/detail?r=02c4988339
02:16 < kimelto> ffission6: I have no such experience :)
02:16 < spikebike> uriel: thanks
02:17 < ffission6> ok
02:17 < ffission6> also, is there any DB libaries in the pipeline?
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02:18 < kimelto> there are wrapper for sqlite,mysql,pgsql, ...
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02:19 < ffission6> wrappers in this case meaning what?  wrappers for the db
client drivers?
02:19 < spikebike> author of the crypto/tls example code just emailed me his
source, hopefully it will work for me
02:20 < uriel> ffission6: I have not seen any sumission of any db libs, I
could have missed it...
02:20 < uriel> ffission6: most of those are bindings, which afaik means they
are unlikely to go in
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02:20 < ffission6> uriel, any submissions for a REST framework built over
http?
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02:21 < ffission6> why would they be unlikely, the db bindings, you mean
unlikely to go into the code base
02:21 < uriel> I have not seen anything, but the current http libs should
allow you to write REST-ful apps just fine IMHO
02:21 < uriel> I have not seen many (other of a couple of examples on how to
use cgo) bindings in the main go distribution
02:21 < ffission6> right, i want to be a library on top of http, but i'd
like to get involved with the Go community somehow, so how could i do that
02:22 < uriel> how?  I don't know, doing it :)
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02:22 < ffission6> ok
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02:23 < uriel> ffission6: anyway, there are plenty of db bindings
out-of-tree: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/library-bindings
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02:23 < ffission6> so what did you mean you were unsure if the db bindings
would go into the code base?
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02:24 < uriel> ffission6: and there is even one or two client
implementations in pure Go (which I assume are more likely to be accepted, if
submited):http://go-lang.cat-v.org/pure-go-libs
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02:24 < alexsuraci> ffission6: this quick package I did may be of interest:
http://github.com/vito/go-play/blob/master/gopaste/controller.go
02:24 < uriel> ffission6: I meant what I said, from what I have seen
pure-go-code is prefered over bindings to C libs
02:24 < alexsuraci> usage:
http://github.com/vito/go-play/blob/master/gopaste/gopaste.go#L44
02:24 < alexsuraci> for URL mapping, anyway
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02:25 < uriel> ffission6: I'm talking about code to be included with the
distribution, outside the main distribution people do whatever they want
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02:25 < ffission6> was any of Go written in C for lower level stuff
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02:26 < ffission6> alexsuraci i am going to review controller, thanks, i am
looking to build a simple RESTful api over top http, ill be in touch if you
interested at all.
02:28 < alexsuraci> ffission6: sure.  this tree (go-play/gopaste) powers
http://gopaste.org/, feel free to snoop.
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02:28 < Eridius> hrm, path has a neat walk method, but it only provides
pre-traversal for directories, no post-traversal (i.e.  there's no callback to say
it's exiting a directory)
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02:29 < ffission6> alexsuraci: cool..probably be around tomorro with some
questions.
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02:30 < alexsuraci> ffission6: i have finals but i'll very likely be around
at least after 2:30pm (est)
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02:43 * spikebike is interested in the neat path dir walking method and the
controller
02:43 * spikebike digs around for references
02:44 < spikebike> I to want a nice simple restful api over http
02:44 < spikebike> although to be honest http isn't required
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02:45 < alexsuraci> controller essentially just matches URLs on regexps and
calls functions with the matched URL vars as arguments to the function
02:45 < alexsuraci> also does neat things like letting things like ([0-9]+)
in the url be passed as ints to the callback function
02:45 < spikebike> cool
02:46 < spikebike> the closest analog I can thing of for what I want to do
is USENET
02:46 < spikebike> A -> B I want to publish (list of IDs)
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02:46 < spikebike> B->A I have some, please send this subset
02:47 < Eridius> huh, does Go not have any sort of line-based io reading?
02:47 < spikebike> ideally wrapped in something encrypted to prevent
sniffing and spoofing
02:47 < spikebike> the current contender is crypto/tls but crypto/rsa looks
possible
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02:52 < Eridius> ah hah, I can use bufio's Reader.ReadString
02:53 < Eridius> seems kinda hidden for such a common function though
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03:06 < spikebike> I think freenode.net needs to be replaced with a nice p2p
client
03:06 < spikebike> written in go of course ;-)
03:06 < skelterjohn> written in go
03:06 < skelterjohn> :)
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03:06 < nonexec> You should write it skelter!
03:07 < spikebike> not like allowing a couple hundred people to send on the
order of 1 msg/sec with a loose coherency would be particularly tough
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03:07 < Eridius> can a function be called higher up in a source file than
its definition?
03:08 < skelterjohn> another thing that i haven't got the time to work on
03:09 < skelterjohn> and why did you ask me instead of spikebike - it was
his idea!
03:09 < skelterjohn> eridius: yes
03:09 < Eridius> skelterjohn: awesome.  I'm having difficulty finding the
answer in the docs
03:09 < skelterjohn> easy to test
03:09 < spikebike> skelterjohn: hehe
03:09 * Eridius doesn't like testing things in compiled languages :p
03:10 < Eridius> give me a REPL, I'll test the hell out of it
03:10 < skelterjohn> get one of the many available go runners
03:10 < skelterjohn> remind me what REPL stands for
03:10 < Eridius> read-eval-print loop
03:10 < spikebike> Actually it might actually take if it was a small
portable daemon that gave the irc client the appearance of a central server
03:10 < skelterjohn> ah
03:10 < skelterjohn> don't know of any
03:11 < skelterjohn> spikebike: would be pretty easy to do
03:11 < skelterjohn> but i've already lost enough research time to go
fiddling
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03:11 < skelterjohn> ICML deadline is on 2/1/2010
03:11 < skelterjohn> so I sorta have to stop fiddling
03:12 < Eridius> hrm, any particular reason functions like
strings.HasPrefix() was written like that instead of like "foo".HasPrefix() ?
03:12 < Eridius> e.g.  why it's not func (string) HasPrefix(suffix string)
bool;
03:12 < skelterjohn> because you can't write a function with a primitive as
a receiver type
03:12 < Eridius> ahh
03:13 < Eridius> that would certainly explain it
03:13 < skelterjohn> you could "type MyString string" and then use *MyString
as a receiver
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03:13 < Eridius> can you not use MyString as a receiver?
03:13 < skelterjohn> but then having to cast would be annoying
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03:13 < skelterjohn> *MyString would be more memory efficient, since you
wouldn't have to copy the entire thing, probably
03:13 < Eridius> hrm, executing foo[0] (where foo is a string) will panic if
foo is empty, yes?
03:14 < skelterjohn> though strings are probably slices so that might not be
an issue
03:14 < skelterjohn> i imagine so
03:14 < Eridius> skelterjohn: one would assume the internal storage of a
string contains pointers to the actual data anyway
03:14 < skelterjohn> I try not to assume too much
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reference type
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03:15 < Eridius> huh, foo[x] (where foo is a string) returns a byte, not a
character?
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03:15 < skelterjohn> that question sounds suspiciously like a statement
03:16 < Eridius> according to the docs, it returns a byte.  That just
surprises me
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03:16 < JBeshir> Eridius: Yes, it does, because strings are indexed by byte.
03:16 < skelterjohn> "strings behave like arrays of bytes" says the spec
03:16 < JBeshir> Eridius: This is because indexing on *character* is an O(n)
operation
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03:16 < Eridius> JBeshir: I just find it odd that a brand new language would
make it so easy to treat strings as byte arrays, instead of as sequences of
characters
03:17 < JBeshir> Eridius: This is because Go actually cares about speed.
03:17 < Eridius> JBeshir: it's easy enough if you use UTF-16 as the internal
storage of strings
03:17 < skelterjohn> you can iterate through utf8 chars with range
03:17 < JBeshir> Eridius: No, it isn't, because UTF-16 does not mean all
characters are two bytes.
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03:17 < JBeshir> Eridius: UTF-16 is a horrible standard designed to trick
people into false assumptions, like that one.
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03:17 < Eridius> JBeshir: it does if you're iterating by codepoints instead
of characters.  "character" is too fuzzy anyway
03:17 < skelterjohn> wouldn't having the storage be something other than a
byte make it so you couldn't read in blocks from most fies?
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03:17 < JBeshir> Eridius: No, it does not.
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03:17 < JBeshir> Eridius: Only codepoints in the BMP
03:18 < adiabatic> You'd have to use UTF-32 if you want to guarantee
constant lengths…at least for now
03:18 < Eridius> JBeshir: yes, surrogate pairs will count as 2 elements, but
I think that's perfectly fine.
03:18 < Eridius> JBeshir: if you're not already aware of the issue, you're
likely to get it wrong regardless of the behavior of the string type
03:18 < JBeshir> Eridius: Cool, then you should also think it's fine that
UTF-8 characters above ASCII work just like them.
03:18 < Eridius> skelterjohn: you could read files using []byte
03:18 < JBeshir> Eridius: It's the same thing, just one wastes twice the
memory, which is also a resource Go cares about.
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03:19 < Eridius> JBeshir: it only wastes twice the memory if you're working
in ASCII.
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03:19 < JBeshir> Eridius: So it only wastes twice the memory in by far far
far and away the most common case.
03:19 < skelterjohn> who works in ASCII anymore?
03:19 < JBeshir> skelterjohn: Everyone.
03:19 < skelterjohn> </sarcasm>
03:19 < Eridius> JBeshir: I've never written a program where the bulk of the
memory went to storing strings.  Doubling the memory my strings use isn't an issue
for me
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03:19 < JBeshir> Eridius: That's cool, go use Python
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03:20 < Eridius> JBeshir: why the hell would I want to use Python?
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03:20 < Eridius> my only point here is I find it odd that Go exposes the
byte storage of strings so easily, without even having to convert it to a byte
array
03:20 < JBeshir> Because you don't care about speed or memory efficiency,
and want a pretty high level language that does everything for you?
03:20 < skelterjohn> standard language to send people to when they complain
about lack of certain features
03:20 < Eridius> that's not what I said, JBeshir
03:21 < JBeshir> There's nothing much odd about it.
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03:21 < JBeshir> In seriousness, the view seems to be that making them
indexed on character allows a few other guarantees (which require O(n) to
provide), and break a whole bunch of others.
03:21 < JBeshir> Er, on byte.
03:21 < JBeshir> No, that line was right the first time.
03:21 < Eridius> I didn't say I didn't care about speed or memory
efficiency.  You don't sacrifice speed by using UTF-16, and as I said, strings
don't tend to be more than a fraction of the memory my programs use and so
doubling their size isn't a significant impact upon my memory use
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03:22 < skelterjohn> subjective bias
03:22 < skelterjohn> i've been saying that a lot
03:22 < JBeshir> Yeah, but UTF-16 also doesn't provide any guarantees that
UTF-8 doesn't.
03:22 < Eridius> indexed on UTF-8 character requires O(n).  Indexed on
UTF-16 allows O(1) indexing while still providing a character as the basic unit of
a string.  The only drawback is surrogate pairs count as two characters instead of
1
03:22 < Eridius> but that's not a brand new drawback - a non-BMP character
in the current string is, what, 3-6 bytes?
03:23 < adiabatic> Eridius: is UTF-16 O(1) if you're dealing with code
points outside the BMP?
03:23 < JBeshir> No, it isn't.
03:23 < Eridius> and if you use the range construct, it could handle
surrogate pairs just like it does UTF-8 multi-byte characters
03:23 < JBeshir> Surrogate pairs counting as two characters break things
exactly in the same ways as UTF-8 characters counting as 2+ charactrs.
03:23 < Eridius> adiabatic: it is if you don't try and count surrogate pairs
as a single codepoint
03:23 < JBeshir> i.e.  if you do it wrong.
03:23 < Eridius> JBeshir: except the breakage is *far* less common
03:24 < JBeshir> And how's that an improvement?
03:24 < JBeshir> That's just encouraging bad design
03:24 < Eridius> As long as the software I'm writing is not going to be used
in an asian country, it's extremely unlikely to ever encounter a non-BMP character
(outside of test cases)
03:24 < JBeshir> By encouraging people to ignore it because it's "uncommon".
03:24 < Eridius> you don't have to ignore it.  You can provide all the same
facilities you do now for intelligently handling strings
03:25 < Eridius> but by doing this, you remove "byte" as the basic unit of a
string, and therefore can do things like ensure that strings are always
well-formed
03:25 < JBeshir> Except for surrogate pairs, which mean that you can't do
that.
03:25 < Eridius> and allow for O(1) indexing into strings as long as the
author doesn't care about surrogate codepoints
03:25 < JBeshir> Which means that you can't do it safely, because you can't
not care about surrogate codepoitns.
03:25 < JBeshir> (Safely)
03:25 < Eridius> JBeshir: a UTF-16 string with an invalid sequence of
surrogate pairs is still well-formed
03:25 < JBeshir> I think it being easy to do things unsafely is considered a
Bad Thing.
03:26 < Eridius> The unicode spec says you must not generate UTF-16
sequences with non-paired surrogate codepoints, but it's perfectly ok to consume
such sequences
03:26 < Eridius> JBeshir: yes, and you can easily screw up a string right
now by treating it as a blob of bytes
03:26 < JBeshir> Eridius: Right.  And it's the common case and quite
obvious.
03:27 < JBeshir> Eridius: What you're suggesting is making it so you can 99%
of the time work on it okay, which makes it far easier for people to accidentally
or lazily fail to handle the 1% properly.
03:27 < Eridius> It just seems very bad form to expose the underlying byte
format of a string.  The user should be required to specify the encoding they want
in order to get a byte array from a string
03:27 < JBeshir> There is only one encoding, and it is UTF-8.
03:27 < JBeshir> Users can and do specify the encoding they want, so long as
it's UTF-8.  :P
03:27 < Eridius> JBeshir: yes, if you're ok with everything making the
implicit assumption of UTF-8
03:28 < JBeshir> AFAIK, it's strictly defined by the language.
03:28 < JBeshir> All Strings are UTF-8.
03:28 < skelterjohn> yeah - pretty explicit
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03:29 < Eridius> sure, it's documented as such, but there's nothing stopping
me from treating a string as just a random blob of bytes
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03:29 < JBeshir> In which case, you have an invalid UTF-8 string.
03:29 < JBeshir> Not sure what your point is.
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03:29 < JBeshir> UTF-16, to work safely, which is the only kind of work that
matters, is still O(n) to index, and has double the memory usage, so I don't see
any real gains there.
03:30 < Eridius> in Cocoa, an NSString uses UTF-16 as the underlying
storage, and you can't get access to that storage without specifying what encoding
you want (nor can you create an NSString from a blob of data without specifying
the data's encoding).  This makes it nigh impossible to create an invalid string
03:30 < JBeshir> That's cool, sounds really efficient and all
03:30 < Eridius> please stop claiming that UTF-16 is O(n) to index.  That's
only true if you assume that surrogate pairs should be taken into account during
indexing
03:30 < Eridius> JBeshir: it works well enough for 99% of Mac OS X apps, and
100% of iPhone apps
03:30 < JBeshir> They should, for it to be done safely, which is the only
way it counts.
03:31 < xerox> Eridius: what's an example of the 1% of the os x apps?
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03:31 < JBeshir> xerox: All Apple products
03:31 * Eridius has written Cocoa code that doesn't even think about surrogate
pairs, and Cocoa code that explicitly handles them.  The former is trivial, and
has never experienced issues.  The latter is pretty easy as well.
03:31 < Eridius> xerox: Carbon apps
03:31 < JBeshir> That's what I said
03:31 < JBeshir> >:P
03:31 < Eridius> JBeshir: err no, nearly every Apple product is Cocoa
03:32 < Eridius> even the Finder is now Cocoa, and that was only Carbon
originally to prove to third-party developers that Carbon was viable
03:32 < JBeshir> Eridius: I was joking; that's a recent development, I've
been generally horrified in the past to discover how very slow Apple has been to
update.
03:32 < Eridius> every remaining Carbon app from Apple was originally a
third-party app that was acquired by Apple
03:32 < Eridius> JBeshir: what do you mean?
03:32 < JBeshir> Eridius: OS X users continually complain about people
who're slow to port to Cocoa (and 64bit, too).  Apple have historically been one
of the biggest offenders.  It was a throwaway joke.
03:33 < Eridius> huh?  There are very few examples of Carbon apps that have
been ported to Cocoa.  Usually, that only happens by the app being end-of-lifed
and a new app being written that does the same thing
03:34 < Eridius> as for 64bit, I have no clue what you're even referring to.
People weren't encouraged to create 64bit apps until Snow Leopard, and Apple
shipped almost every single app on the system as 64bit
03:34 < JBeshir> There is no 64bit Carbon API
03:34 < JBeshir> That is the relevance
03:35 < xerox> So Carbon preceded Cocoa, and what are some apps that haven't
been ported?
03:35 < Eridius> I'm still not seeing what your point is.  And there
certainly is 64bit Carbon code - there's just no 64bit HIToolbox.  Apple did that
on purpose in order to force everybody to move off of Carbon (it will probably be
deprecated officially in a few years)
03:35 < Eridius> xerox: actually no, Cocoa preceeded Carbon
03:35 < Eridius> Cocoa is based on NeXTStep's frameworks
03:35 < JBeshir> Can we go back to you telling everyone why Go should be
more like Cocoa and require continual reencoding and encourage people to assume
their code will never see a character outside the BMP?
03:36 < Eridius> Carbon was created when third-party developers told Apple
that they weren't going to rewrite their apps for Cocoa (think apps like
Photoshop).  So Apple created Carbon in order to provide an environment that
preexisting monolithic third-party apps could easily port to
03:36 < JBeshir> Because you find the idea of looking at a string's *bytes*
right there in the open in a systems programming language horrifying for some
personal reason?
03:37 < Eridius> JBeshir: why do you keep misrepresenting my argument?  Do
you truly not understand what I'm suggesting?
03:37 < Eridius> as for looking at a string's bytes, I see no reason at all
why a language that provides a strongly-typed byte array, and an easy way to
convert between byte arrays and strings, should expose a string's underlying bytes
without requiring said type conversion
03:37 < JBeshir> Why shouldn't it?
03:37 < Eridius> it makes it too easy to treat a string as a sequence of
bytes instead of a sequence of characters
03:37 < xerox> Eridius: why was it easier to user Carbon instead of Cocoa
for those monolithic apps?
03:38 < JBeshir> Why should that be hard?
03:38 < Eridius> xerox: because Carbon was brought up on OS 9, so apps could
start using it a year or 2 before OS X was publicly available.  In addition, it
was based on C and was essentially an evolution of the existing window toolbox
APIs, so apps could be ported to it easily
03:38 < JBeshir> If you're in a systems programming language, why is it bad
that people are close to and see the actual operation of thigns?
03:38 < Eridius> whereas with Cocoa, apps have to be rewritten in Obj-C
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03:39 < Eridius> JBeshir: Go already makes it pretty trivial to convert a
string into a []byte.  If I want to see bytes, I should have to do said
conversion.
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03:39 < JBeshir> Why?
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03:39 < JBeshir> You keep asserting that you "should".  But why?
03:39 < Eridius> because otherwise it makes the string type pointless
03:40 < Eridius> the concept of a string has a meaning that's separate from
its representation as a sequence of bytes
03:40 < JBeshir> Yeah, I guess everything else the string type provides,
including immutability and efficient slicing, is pointless.
03:40 < Eridius> when I'm working with strings, I shouldn't be looking at
bytes.  If I want to look at bytes, I should be using a []byte
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03:40 < Eridius> but a string here is basically a []byte + extra functions.
It basically just makes the string type fairly useless
03:41 < JBeshir> If you really really want to be insulated from the
underlying hardware such that you can pretend that you're not actually writing on
a computer at all, I suggest Python or possibly Visual Basic
03:41 < Eridius> JBeshir: can you please stop patronizing me?
03:41 < JBeshir> Not really, because your fundamental bitch here is "I don't
like seeing how things really are, I want to be separated from the
implementation!"
03:42 < Eridius> no it's not
03:42 < JBeshir> Which calls for higher level languages than Go.
03:42 < Eridius> my complaint here is that Go has a string type, but the
string type doesn't seem to actually add anything to the language
03:42 < Eridius> it doesn't make it any easier to work with sequences of
characters
03:42 < Eridius> so what's the point?
03:42 < JBeshir> Except...  it does.
03:42 < Eridius> no, it has lots of functions that do, but you could do a
string replace of "string" with
03:43 < JBeshir> Via slicing for substrings, immutability for safety, and
the range operator.
03:43 < Eridius> ..with "[]byte" on the functions and it would be the same
03:43 < JBeshir> Not to mention the fact that you CAN optionally index on
character.
03:43 < fgb> eriduius, strings are utf-8 compliant
03:43 < JBeshir> It's O(n), because it does it properly, but you can do it.
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03:44 < Eridius> JBeshir: how do you index on character?  I'm not seeing
anything beyond strings.Runes(s)[i]
03:44 < JBeshir> I think that's it, unless there's another helper function
in there.
03:44 < Eridius> I'm actually rather surprised there isn't.
strings.Runes(s)[i] does a lot more work than necessary, unless I'm trying to
extract the last character
03:45 < JBeshir> It's still probably more efficient that a single one of the
"reencode representation of string" things in your favourite library, so you
shouldn't complain there.
03:45 < JBeshir> It's also not really necessary very often at all.
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03:45 < JBeshir> You can't break at a given character to break at so many
characters on screen safely, because some unicode codepoints combine to a single
thing onscreen.
03:46 < JBeshir> You typically need to break at the location of a given
substring, which can as easily be a byte location as a character one
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03:46 < JBeshir> Or at a byte count for storage or distribution online.
03:46 < Eridius> JBeshir: I didn't say Go should be constantly reencoding
strings.  And your trivialization of Cocoa as "[my] favorite library" is
insulting.  I didn't bring it up because I said it was my favorite library.  I
brought it up as an example of a very widely-used production-ready frameworks that
solve this problem using UTF-16
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03:46 < Eridius> you kept claiming UTF-16 has all these problems, but go
tell that to everybody writing OS X/iPhone apps and they'll laugh at you
03:47 < kuroneko> meh.  UTF-16 has problems.  should be using UTF_32.
03:47 * kuroneko ducks :)
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03:47 < Eridius> simple example for why strings-as-byte-arrays sucks: if I
want the 2nd character of a string, I can't just say str[1].
03:47 < Eridius> and as I said before, strings.Runes(s)[1] will do _far_
more work than necessary
03:47 < JBeshir> Right, you can't, but the second character of a string
doesn't give you much of any use.
03:48 < JBeshir> As I said, it could be a codepoint that's intended to be
added to the previous codepoint to apply accenting or similar crap
03:48 < Eridius> no?
03:48 < Eridius> only if the entire string is meant for display
03:48 < Eridius> and if you are talking about combining marks, UTF-8 vs.
UTF-16 is suddenly irrelevant
03:48 < JBeshir> Precisely, it is.
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03:49 < Eridius> e.g.  your arguments about how UTF-16 sucks are pretty
irrelevant
03:49 < JBeshir> Nope, they aren't.  UTF-8 vs UTF-16 is irrelevant in terms
of any advantages of UTF-16, but one has double the RAM usage and tries to hide
that it can't actually be safely used that way to trick people.
03:49 < kuroneko> eh?
03:50 < Eridius> eh?  You're talking about combining marks and making
assumptions of all-ASCII strings in the exact same sentence.
03:50 < JBeshir> No assumption, merely a common case estimation of RAM
usage.
03:50 < kuroneko> actually, I would argue it does make life substantially
easier when playing with combining marks
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03:51 < fgb> btw, if I'm not mistaken runes are 32bits now in plan9port and
in go
03:51 < Eridius> JBeshir: once you start using other languages than English,
the RAM delta goes waaay down.  And in some languages, UTF-16 will be smaller than
UTF-8
03:51 < JBeshir> Eridius: It does, yes, but English is the common case.
03:51 < kuroneko> with a string as an array of glpyhs, you're guaranteed
that s[x+1] is the succeeding glyph to s[x]
03:52 < Eridius> JBeshir: combining marks are rare in English.  Once you
start talking about them as a serious issue, you have to drop your assumption of
using English
03:52 < JBeshir> Eridius: My point, anyway, is that, and this has been given
as the big reason on the mailing list, indexing by character is very very rarely
useful, and has big overheads either in terms of representation (which requires
conversion for usage, often) or indexing.
03:52 < kuroneko> which is quite relevant when dealing with combining
characters
03:52 < JBeshir> Eridius: ...no.  That's not how things work.
03:52 < Eridius> not in your world, certainly
03:52 < JBeshir> Eridius: You can discuss performance characteristics based
on the common case, while requiring that things work in all cases.
03:53 < Eridius> JBeshir: I don't disagree
03:53 < JBeshir> Eridius: Cool, then I'm right.
03:53 < fgb> relax
03:53 < Eridius> and now you've lost me again.
03:54 < JBeshir> Eridius: I'm saying that UTF-16 has worse performance
characteristics in far and away the most common case, but doesn't offer any
guarantees that UTF-8 doesn't for "all cases".
03:55 < Eridius> yes, you keep saying that, but you have yet to explain why
you're claiming that.  Every time I give you a counter-argument to a point, you
either patronize me, or you change what you're arguing about.
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03:55 < JBeshir> I've explained it at some length.
03:55 < kuroneko> JBeshir: and your claim is blatantly false.
03:55 < JBeshir> kuroneko: Which?
03:55 < Eridius> no, you've given me numerous arguments, but haven't
actually supported any of them with anything more substantive than their original
declaration
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03:55 < kuroneko> well, for UTF-16 maybe not, but UTF-32, which is an
extension of the principle are
03:56 < JBeshir> kuroneko: Yes, UTF-32 is something different, thanks.
03:56 < Eridius> kuroneko: UTF-32 does have a serious drawback, which is
that in nearly every single case it is using vastly more RAM than either UTF-8 or
UTF-16
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03:56 < Eridius> and it doesn't solve the combining mark problem either.
03:56 < kuroneko> Eridius: maybe, but ram is cheap, strings ought not to be
the bulk of your code
03:56 < Eridius> kuroneko: yes thank you, I argued that point earlier
03:56 < JBeshir> Eridius: Yes, this is because if you disagree with a claim
used to back up an argument you're supposed to dispute it.
03:56 < JBeshir> This is how reasoning works.
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03:56 < kuroneko> it makes for faster point slicing by far
03:56 < JBeshir> You start from commonly agreed postulates and show a
result.
03:57 < Eridius> I'm just saying UTF-32's only real benefit over UTF-16 is
no surrogate pairs, but since you have to handle combining marks anyway, surrogate
pairs really aren't a problem in UTF-16
03:57 < kuroneko> and you don't suffer word size performance penalties for
point by point comparison
03:57 < JBeshir> Thus, an argument is made by laying out your postulates and
showing the conclusion, and if people disagree with the postulates you then
recurse.
03:57 < Eridius> JBeshir: saying "I disagree" isn't the same thing as
backing up your claim
03:57 < kuroneko> at least, not on the 32bit machines >_>
03:58 < Eridius> JBeshir: your postulates are what other people would call
conclusions.  You aren't backing them up
03:59 < anticw_> kuroneko: ram is cheap, caches are not
03:59 < Eridius> ugh, ok, this has taken 45 minutes so far.  I'm going back
to working on my code.
03:59 < JBeshir> Eridius: There's no separation betwen postulates and
conclusions.  Postulates are merely previous conclusions or assumed ones used to
reason for further ones.
03:59 < JBeshir> Eridius: And I feel I have quite well justified my
reasoning.
04:00 < JBeshir> Eridius: You can always post to the list, and maybe someone
will be kind enough to copy and paste whatever they said to the last three people
who did.
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04:00 < kuroneko> anticw_: cache exhaustion is about the only reasonable
call against I've ever heard, and I don't think it's a significant enough issue to
discourage serious use
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04:00 < kuroneko> ow.
04:00 < kuroneko> damn you freenode!  damn you!
04:00 < Eridius> JBeshir: if the argument given on the list is as
well-founded as yours, then it won't answer anything.
04:01 < JBeshir> Eridius: And if your argument never progresses beyond "ew,
bytes" I wonder if anyone will even bother to reply to it
04:01 < spikebike> yeah hard to imagine 1 byte per char vs 2 byte per char
strings being a big issue these days
04:01 < skelterjohn> i declare an end to this argument.
04:01 < Eridius> JBeshir: I gave plenty of justification for my position,
you just ignored it.
04:01 < skelterjohn> !
04:01 < skelterjohn> i said an end!
04:01 < spikebike> typically doubling/halving cache sizes have relatively
minor effects
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04:01 < JBeshir> Eridius: No, I replied as to how it was wrong, justified,
and then moved on.
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04:01 < anticw_> kuroneko: i've written a couple of email processors ...
i've not deeply consider i18n issues (laziness mostly) but they would care if all
strings were 4x the space
04:01 * JBeshir moves on now.
04:01 < skelterjohn> *hiss*
04:02 < kuroneko> anticw_: whereas I care about utf-8 giving me the shits
when having to do point-slicing on strings for i18n safe code
04:02 < anticw_> i understand that argument, that's partly why i've ignored
it in places myself
04:03 * spikebike looks for a path.walk example
04:03 < Eridius> JBeshir: you never actually addressed my original argument.
You simply patronized me, and then went back to reciting your tired list of why
UTF-16 sucks
04:03 < kuroneko> whereas all the justifications for utf-8 I've seen revolve
around endian-safe encodings, which is fine for interchange, but why are you
wasting my CPU time when I slice/iterate?  and libc compatibility
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04:04 < kuroneko> which shouldn't be an issue in go-land
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04:05 < Eridius> UTF-8's main benefit is if you know you're working in
ASCII, it's pretty trivial to use.  But once you start talking about the drawbacks
of UTF-16 (e.g.  surrogate pairs), you've left that assumption behind
04:05 < Eridius> and if you're handling multi-byte codepoints and combining
marks and the like, the same APIs you use would almost certainly handle surrogate
pairs in UTF-16 anyway
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04:06 < Eridius> if you're not indexing into specific characters, your
arguments against UTF-16 go away.  And if you are, you need those APIs anyhow
04:06 < Eridius> here's a quick example of why UTF-16 would be significantly
better for me than UTF-8 - I want to get the last character of a string
04:06 < Eridius> in UTF-16, that's trivial.  Read the last unichar.  If it's
a low surrogate character, grab the previous codepoint as well.
04:07 < Eridius> In UTF-8 I have to read potentially 6 bytes out of the
string, and reading multiple bytes is significantly more common than hitting a
surrogiate pair
04:07 < Eridius> hell, with my use case (testing the last char), I don't
even care if I find a surrogate pair.  I can just grab the last unichar and test
on that
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04:10 < Eridius> hrm...  is there no way to treat a string as a []byte
without copying the bytes?
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04:11 < JBeshir> No, because strings are immutable and arrays of bytes are
not.
04:11 < Eridius> JBeshir: yes I know, but it means I can't do a byte-wise
search of a string
04:12 < Eridius> well, I suppose I could use for i := range len(s);
04:12 < spikebike> added 51 changesets with 214 changes to 184 files
04:12 < Eridius> and then index into the string
04:12 < spikebike> damn
04:12 < Eridius> it's just irritating that I can't use bytes.IndexByte()
04:12 < spikebike> that's just since yesterday
04:13 < Eridius> granted, I could just search for "/" instead and screw the
potential performance implications, but hey, I thought strings were really just
UTF-8 byte arrays for performance reasons?
04:13 < JBeshir> What's the performance difference here?
04:13 < JBeshir> What're you trying to do?
04:14 < Eridius> I want to know if the string contains a slash.  As a slash
is an ASCII character, I have no need to split the string into runes and compare
each rune.
04:14 < skelterjohn> "for i := range len(s)" this isn't python
04:14 < uriel> Eridius: use an index and a counter
04:14 < Eridius> nor do I need to do substring-searching, because that
implies a more complicated algorithm for doing substring matching that may not be
ideal for searching for a single byte
04:14 < skelterjohn> or does range <int> work?
04:14 < Eridius> skelterjohn: I was just assuming there.  I don't know if
that's actually legal
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04:14 < Eridius> skelterjohn: I could say for i := 0; i < len(s); i++
04:15 < uriel> Eridius: exactly
04:15 < skelterjohn> yeah - range isn't a function that makes a list
04:15 < Eridius> skelterjohn: no, it's a keyword
04:15 < skelterjohn> it's a function that takes a list (or list-like thing)
and iterates
04:15 < Eridius> and one could define the semantics of range on an int as
giving a list from 0 to int-1
04:15 < Eridius> that would be perfectly reasonable semantics
04:15 < skelterjohn> one could
04:16 < Eridius> according to the language spec, it can't be an int.  But
that's ok, I was just using that to illustrate my point
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04:18 < JBeshir> Eridius: Then yeah, the only way to do it is to index over
until you find it.
04:18 < JBeshir> Substring searching works for non-ASCII characters.
04:19 * Eridius ponders..  func Iter(max int) { c := make(chan int); go func() {
for i := 0; i < max; i++ { c <- i } }; return c }; for i := range
Iter(len(s))
04:19 < Eridius> JBeshir: yes, substring searching does.  But in my
use-case, I only need to search for "/"
04:19 < JBeshir> Yep.
04:20 < Eridius> oh maybe I should close(c); in that Iter func
04:20 < JBeshir> (This is also a common case, as separators are often ASCII)
04:20 < Eridius> JBeshir: I'm mildly surprised there's no
strings.IndexByte() function for this purpose
04:20 < Eridius> which is why I wanted to be able to convert the string to a
[]byte without copying, so I could use bytes.IndexByte
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04:25 < anticw_> when is the semi-change slated to be done?
04:26 < Eridius> oh hrm, vector doesn't have a way of creating a new Vector
from a slice?  That's somewhat irritating
04:26 < anticw_> it looks like there are patches for most of it floating
about but not commited
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05:21 < timmcd> Hello!
05:21 < fgb> Elloh!
05:24 < e1f> has the go rant been posted?  "why google's go is a bore"
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05:24 < JBeshir> e1f: There's about 100 of them on the mailing list.
05:25 < e1f> oh i see
05:29 < uriel> we need a new rant: "why lazy ignorant people that whinne
about what they don't know or understand are such a bore"
05:32 < e1f> i thought this one was pretty good
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05:39 < nf> e1f: I found some of the ad hominem stuff in it a bit
off-putting
05:40 < uriel> I didn't find the ad hominem off-putting, what was
off-putting was all the missinformed babling
05:40 < Ycros> what go rant
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05:40 < uriel> "hey, this language is not like the languages I'm used to!
and it doesn't have feature XXX and yy, and zzz, so it sucks!"
05:40 < JBeshir> The rant sucks and fails because it's hosted on a site
which uses inpage popup ads.
05:41 < e1f> well, i ignored the ad hominem
05:41 < JBeshir> So I refuse to read it, or even visit that site again.
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05:41 < jessta> JBeshir: good cal
05:41 < jessta> *call
05:41 < uriel> JBeshir: heh, that too, I was rather disapointed because I
liked the html style of the page
05:41 < e1f> oh i didn't notice any ads
05:41 < e1f> i have js off
05:41 < e1f> it looked quite plain to me
05:42 < JBeshir> It looked plain right up until some dating site shit
appeared on top of the text.
05:43 < e1f> yeah, looks like 1 line of js
05:43 * e1f though everyone used the noscript plugin
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05:44 < Ycros> mmm, I don't, there are a lot of useful javascript-heavy
sites out these
05:44 < Ycros> there*
05:45 < e1f> the idea is to turn js on when the site doesn't work
05:45 < e1f> as most sites "work" withough js
05:46 < uriel> NoScript is a gift from heaven
05:46 < JBeshir> As someone who has dabbled in web design, I hate NoScript
05:46 < uriel> now somebody please port it to chrome :)
05:47 < JBeshir> And am tempted to say "You crippled your own browser, I
refuse to support you."
05:47 < uriel> I hate people that hate NOScript, any properly built site
will work just fine with js disabled
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05:47 < JBeshir> uriel: Depends on your definition of "properly built".
05:47 < JBeshir> My issue is that HTML is really really limited, and
JavaScript is quite powerful.
05:47 < uriel> no, JS scriples the web, and sites that require js cripple
themselves
05:47 < jessta> e1f: I used to use noscript, but guessing when a site wasn't
working due to javascript can get annoying
05:47 < JBeshir> Erm, that's not what the word "cripple" means.
05:48 < JBeshir> So long as everyone has to code for NoScript people,
everyone is limited to straight HTML, and its limitations.
05:48 < fgb> now the dude in the list thinks I'm an expert in 6a just
because I recalled a bit of 8086 asm...
05:48 < JBeshir> And I hate those limitations, because it's a very very
shoddily designed markup format.
05:48 < JBeshir> And they're arbitrary and basically random.
05:48 < uriel> JBeshir: wrong, JS should be *optional*
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05:49 < JBeshir> uriel: I'd like you to point to the line which is wrong.
05:49 < uriel> if your site doesn't work fine with JS disabled, it is
broken, period (and same goes for CSS)
05:49 < JBeshir> uriel: Because I get the impression you're yelling "wrong"
just to make your point, and can't actually cite a line in which I said the
opposite.
05:49 < jessta> yeah, JS should be optional, seperation between data and
application
05:50 < uriel> 05:48 < JBeshir> So long as everyone has to code for
NoScript people, everyone is limited to straight HTML, and its limitations
05:50 < uriel> .
05:50 < uriel> this is clearly *wrong*
05:50 < jessta> if you're going to use JS then you should still make all the
data and API available
05:50 < uriel> you are not limited to straight HTML, but straight HTML
should *work*, if you add js on top, it should be optional
05:51 < JBeshir> And thus, everyone is limited to straight HTML for
everything that matters.
05:51 < JBeshir> uriel: My point is that that model is shit, shouldn't be
that way, can't be that way for a few true webapps which need AJAX to communicate
with the backend server, and every NoScript person is preventing people from
moving on to having websites work like real applications.
05:51 < jessta> JBeshir: you generation simple HTML with a javascript
redirect to your javascript pages
05:52 < fgb> uriel, stop feeding the troll
05:52 < uriel> JBeshir: it should be that way, it is that way, and thank god
it is that way, or the web would be even worse than it is already
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05:52 < uriel> fgb: sorry :(
05:52 < fgb> JBeshir, stop feeding the troll ;)
05:52 < fgb> heh
05:52 < fgb> uriel, np, it was a good chance to make a stupid joke
05:52 < JBeshir> uriel: I assume you don't believe that YouTube should
exist, then?
05:52 < JBeshir> Since it isn't straight HTML with optional JS?
05:53 < uriel> JBeshir: are you seriously using youtube as an example of a
well designed and well built site?!??!?!
05:53 < jessta> JBeshir: I want youtube with straight HTML and links to
video files
05:53 < uriel> what jessta said, plus I'd be ok if they use a <video>
tag
05:53 < JBeshir> uriel: No, I'm using it as an example of a website that you
just said shouldn't exist, doesn't exist (heh), and thank god that it doesn't.
05:54 < uriel> JBeshir: every bit of functionality in youtube could be
provided with sane simple clean html without js
05:54 < fgb> of course I'd like to get the flash url and do something like
hget http://youtube.com/84023423/flash | flashplayer
05:54 < uriel> and the site would be infinitely more usable
05:54 < fgb> but they have show you the advs!
05:54 < JBeshir> We could move forward a lot if we could use AJAX for things
that *mattered*, and it's getting to the point that I think we can, and just tell
NoScript people to uncripple their browsers.
05:55 < JBeshir> Supporting no JS people is more annoying than supporting
IE6
05:55 < fgb> jbeshir, writing a browser is a PIA
05:55 < uriel> JBeshir: what many people thinks is 'forward' turns out to be
quite backwards
05:55 < JBeshir> Basic things like image rollovers require stupidass
approaches in pure HTML.
05:55 < fgb> so give us a chance!
05:55 < jessta> JBeshir: seriously NoScript doesn't prevent you from
creating AJAX crap
05:55 < uriel> every time I middle click on a link and it messes things up
because it is not really a link but a bunch of js, I want to punch somebody in the
face
05:56 < jessta> JBeshir: it just means that you have to generate simple html
as well
05:56 < Ycros> JBeshir: I honestly don't try to support no-js people a lot
of the time, because if you're using NoScript then you've deliberately done that
05:56 < scoopr> isn't image roll-over trivial in css
05:56 < fgb> in any case, this is not about go/golang...  is it?
05:56 < JBeshir> scoopr: Not trivial, no, quite annoying.
05:56 < uriel> or every time I get to some content, and I can't bookmark it,
because it is all AJAX and shit and
05:56 < JBeshir> scoopr: Also has portability issues, although many just to
IE6.
05:56 < JBeshir> uriel: And those are design issues totally unrelated to
pure HTMLness
05:56 < JBeshir> uriel: And more related to the same stupid design that led
to people using frames
05:57 < JBeshir> (People not giving a shit about it working in the browser
properly, basically)
05:57 < scoopr> well yeah, :hover works only for <a> in ie6, I guess
05:57 < uriel> JBeshir: thing is, with NoScript enabled, I have zero of
those problems
05:57 < scoopr> jbeshir, http://www.romancortes.com/ficheros/meninas.html ;)
05:57 < timmcd> What if we just ditched JS altogether and browsers start
supporting Ruby for the scripting?  Yaay!
05:57 < timmcd> Or perhaps Lua...
05:57 < JBeshir> timmcd: No.
05:57 < Ycros> timmcd: yeaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no
05:57 < JBeshir> timmcd: I would formally refuse to ever touch the web
again.
05:57 < Ycros> that won't happen
05:57 * uriel sighs
05:57 < timmcd> Lol
05:57 < nf> timmcd: why would we want to do that?  JS is a great language
05:57 < Ycros> and if it does it will take years and years and years and
years
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05:58 < timmcd> nf: Ruby and Lua can be fun too!  ^_^
05:58 < timmcd> I do like JS tho, and am loving messing around with
<canvas>
05:58 < Ycros> what would be better is a bytecode vm - but we already have
that in java, hurr
05:58 < JBeshir> Ycros: And something better in most common JS engines now.
05:58 < JBeshir> (By common, I mean...  FF and Chrome, I think, but close
enough)
05:59 < Ycros> I mean, Java, Silverlight, Flash, NaCL - all trying to run
stuff in the browser
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06:03 < jessta> Ycros: yeah, I'm amazed that 'web application' are so
recent, Java had networking in ~1996, was widely available and embedable in
webpages and for some reason hardly anybody used it
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06:03 < JBeshir> I wonder why.
06:03 < jessta> you reckon html,css,javascript is better than java?
06:04 < jessta> I hate java, but compared with current web design it's
awesome
06:04 < nf> it was slow at the time, as were networks
06:04 < JBeshir> Hmm, touche, but Java's still way too fat.
06:04 < nf> also the VM doesn't load on a lot of machines now
06:04 < jessta> ..and javascript is still slow now
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06:04 < nf> for example it won't load on my linux workstation here!  no
applets work
06:05 < jessta> JBeshir: java isn't any more fat than your web browser
06:05 < nf> javascript is fast enough for many applications, as is
demonstrated by its success
06:05 < JBeshir> jessta: I don't mean speed so much as RAM and startup
times.
06:05 < Ycros> nf: aye
06:05 < jessta> yeah, I mean those too
06:05 < JBeshir> Back in, hmm, 2002~?
06:05 < JBeshir> Java took 30 seconds to *start* embedded into a website.
06:06 < jessta> java's startup time compared to firefox is pretty damn good
06:06 < JBeshir> To be fair, that's not really a statement about Java.
06:06 < nf> java has come a very long way, and is pretty fantastic these
days
06:06 < JBeshir> I'm saying that the startup page embedded into a site kinda
impeded usage of it taking off, though.
06:07 < jessta> yeah, because you're starting java on demand, where as the
web browser is already loaded
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06:07 < JBeshir> Right.
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06:07 < Ycros> flash is fast.  It's used in places java used to be used now
06:07 < jessta> but if the web browser didn't have javascript, css, etc.
you'd just load Java when you loaded the web browser anyway
06:08 < Ycros> though it hasn't had a decent UI toolkit up until recent
times
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06:08 < JBeshir> Browsers would have a better language, and five times the
RAM usage.
06:08 < Ycros> and now microsoft are pushing silverlight on us, which is
just more of the same (but supports better languages ;))
06:08 < JBeshir> On the bright side, fewer static websites.
06:08 < JBeshir> Ycros: Silverlight isn't more of the same, it's evil.
06:08 < Ycros> no, it's more of the same
06:08 < Ycros> JBeshir: some websites are fine static
06:09 < Ycros> ie.  mostly text stuff
06:09 < jessta> JBeshir: are you trying to tell me that java uses more RAM
than a similar javascript application?
06:09 < nf> silverlight is closed with proprietary dev tools.  that's evil
enough fo me
06:09 < JBeshir> jessta: I'm saying a browser using it heavily would, yeah.
And it wouldn't surprise me, actually.
06:09 < Ycros> but web applications are great
06:09 < JBeshir> Ycros, nf: They're doing deliberately shoddy Linux
implementations to make people create websites which only work on Windows.
06:09 < Ycros> nf: yeah, somewhat, there is the moonlight open source
implementation for linux
06:09 < JBeshir> This has been DIRECTLY STATED by Ballmer.
06:09 < uriel> wow, you guys still at it?
06:09 < JBeshir> It's evil.
06:09 < Ycros> hur
06:10 < Ycros> it's a nice piece of technology, but I wouldn't use it myself
06:10 < JBeshir> Ycros: Yeah, he seriously said it as business strategy in
an interview.  I was like "...what?  Did he actually say that?"
06:10 < Ycros> uriel: sure, we're nuts
06:10 < anticw_> uriel: S/N is well down
06:10 < Ycros> JBeshir: wow, that's fairly harsh
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06:11 < Ycros> it's a shame microsoft employ so many awesome technical
people
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06:11 < JBeshir> It was part of "Why IE helps Windows"
06:11 < Ycros> heh
06:11 < JBeshir> "Sure, you can make crossplatform Silverlight applications,
but it'll be easier and prettier to do them just for Windows." was the gist of it.
06:11 < JBeshir> Then you rely on programmer laziness and liking of shiny...
06:11 < Ycros> yeah.
06:11 < Ycros> I used to work as a C# programmer
06:12 < JBeshir> Extend, embrace, extinguish, but with their own software
for once.
06:12 < Ycros> we talked about a linux port, maybe, but I knew it wouldn't
happen because mono just wouldn't run our app
06:12 < JBeshir> Instead of someone else's.
06:12 < Ycros> the API coverage on mono is poor
06:12 < JBeshir> And yet, people still claim C# is crossplatform...
06:12 < Ycros> and we had a lot of cases where we interface with the C
windows APIs
06:12 < JBeshir> It's more of the same, really.
06:12 < nf> anyone here interested in Go under NaCl ?
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06:14 < Ycros> yeah, if I need crossplatform I lean towards Python...  and
maybe Qt for the UI
06:14 < anticw> nf: a little
06:15 < nf> i still haven't found any wonderful use-case for NaCl
06:15 < Ycros> yeah
06:15 < nf> something that has a graphical user interface and requires a lot
of cpu time ?
06:15 < Ycros> can NaCl interact with the browser DOM?
06:15 < nf> i'm not sure about that
06:15 < nf> i think to an extent
06:16 < nf> not like js though
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06:17 < nf> i don't see any api support here, but i may not be looking hard
enough:
http://nativeclient.googlecode.com/svn/data/docs_tarball/nacl/googleclient/native_client/scons-out/doc/html/index.html
06:17 < jessta> I doubt it does
06:17 < jessta> but why would it need to?
06:18 < nf> to provide a back-end to some web app?
06:18 < nf> eg, client-side image resizing before uploading somewhere?
06:19 < nf> the form etc could all be html/js, the back-end handled by an
NaCl-wrapped program
06:20 < uriel> nf: what about writinga DOOM in Go for NaCl ;)
06:20 < Ycros> jessta: you can interact with flash from js
06:20 < Ycros> I'm not sure about flash -> DOM
06:20 < jessta> ...why wouldn't the NaCI just submit the form it self
06:20 < Ycros> jessta: for example
http://www.schillmania.com/projects/soundmanager2/
06:21 < jessta> why mix html and NaCI?
06:21 < Ycros> jessta: flash handles the sound on that page, but has no UI
at all - JS and html provide all the UI
06:21 < jessta> but why would you do that?
06:21 < uriel> what does Flash have to do with anything?
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06:22 < nf> uriel: cute, but i'd rather write a new game in Go =)
06:22 < jessta> your page is either a web application or a html page
06:22 < uriel> anyway, if you use NaCL, I think for the most part it makes
little sense to interact with the rest of the page, better to limit it to embeded
specialized components
06:22 < uriel> like games
06:22 < jessta> a mix is retarded
06:22 < uriel> nf: heh, that is cool too
06:22 < uriel> jessta: indeed
06:23 < nf> jessta: why?  we embed web applications in normal web pages all
the time
06:23 < jessta> your web application communicates with your web server over
a REST api of some kind, and you publish this API so other people can use it in
their applications
06:23 < nf> do i ? !?
06:23 < jessta> you should
06:23 < jessta> because it's far less retarded
06:24 < nf> you've come to the crux of the argument, i think
06:24 < nf> it's the difference between "should" and "do"
06:24 < nf> idealism vs pragmatism
06:24 < jessta> mixing data and code is crazy
06:24 < nf> of course we *should* be using something more elegant than
html/css/js, but we have come very far with just that
06:25 < jessta> your web application, evn if you make it in javascript,
shouldn't be compatible with NoScript
06:25 < JBeshir> I'd just like to interject that out of the three, JS is the
most sane
06:25 < JBeshir> Why must you deny me it, people, why?  :(
06:25 < nf> i think you need to incrementally approach the ideal.  the
creation of Go was definitely in that spirit
06:26 < nf> JBeshir: it's more a matter of selectively choosing who you
should allow to run code in your browser
06:26 < nf> and it is true, that for accessibility reasons your site should
still function with JS disabled.  of course this doesn't apply to rich JS
applications
06:26 < JBeshir> nf: My view on that is that it's far better to restrict
behaviours than "code".
06:27 * spikebike would like to see source for a restful api in go
06:27 < JBeshir> My view on that is that said accessible versions should
expect to be very limited, and shouldn't expect to *look good*.
06:27 < nf> JBeshir: our browsers currently do a poor job at giving that
kind of fine-grained control, so people that aren't happy with the default have to
opt for the extreme (noscript)
06:27 < JBeshir> Could always adopt Yahoo's model of A, C, X browsers.
06:27 < JBeshir> And just throw NoScript in as C automatically.
06:28 < JBeshir> "You don't want JS? Cool, you get the text-only, no
formatting version of the site."
06:28 < nf> see i wish i could ask that of almost every website
06:28 < nf> because 95% of the sites i visit, all i want is the content
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06:34 < spikebike> nf yeah same here, cept for some google sites
06:34 < spikebike> maps, docs, and related
06:36 < JBeshir> But there's so many better ways to present and sort
information than via flat pages of text...
06:36 < jessta> indeed
06:36 < jessta> there are
06:37 < jessta> but it's likely that the way I want to use the information
is different from the way you think I want to use the information
06:37 < jessta> so providing an API to the information is the best thing
06:38 < nf> jessta: for programmers, maybe
06:38 < nf> but most people are users, not programmers
06:38 < uriel> everyone knows users can't read!
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07:04 < rog> mornin
07:05 < rog> really is morning here
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07:09 < jessta> nf: users will use what they are provide, i.e your ajax web
app
07:09 < jessta> *provided
07:10 < jessta> or maybe they'll use another app developed by someone else
that uses the same data in a different way
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10:19 < BleSS> if I develop on a Mac and deploy on a Debian Linux box, will
a compiled file work?  Or will I have to build compilation into the deployment
process?
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10:30 < uriel> BleSS: good question, I think you will have to set your $GOOS
accordingly
10:31 < uriel> cross compiling accross hardware platforms should certainly
work
10:31 < uriel> crosscompiling across OSes might be trickier
10:32 < uriel> in any case, why not just build go on the server?  gc is
really fast and uses little resources, you can build a huge project as part of the
deployment process and not even notice
10:33 < BleSS> uriel: yes, itt's true, I was thinking that would not been
possible to use it to web development, thanks!
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10:33 < nf> i suspect you'd need to link against system libraries specific
to linux for it to run under linux
10:34 < nf> it'd be possible to set up a cross-compilation environment under
os x, but probably easier to just run linux in a vm if you must compile on that
machine
10:34 < uriel> given that there are plans to have Go in app engine, I would
expect the way to do it will be to upload the code and it will get automatically
compiled on the server
10:34 < uriel> nf: not really, because the go runtime doesn't call libc at
all
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10:35 < nf> okay, so why couldn't i just compile an amd64 elf and have it
run under 64-bit linux anywhere?
10:35 < uriel> I think Go includes the syscall tables for each os, so it is
probably possible to just set your $GOOS and build for another os
10:35 < uriel> nf: why you couldn't?  no idea, it should work
10:35 < uriel> that certainly should work
10:35 < nf> so in the case of appengine, they might not require server-side
compilation
10:36 < uriel> nf: they will, because they will want to check that your code
is safe
10:36 < uriel> otherwise you could just as well upload any binary
10:36 < uriel> I guess that the package unsafe will also be unabailable
10:36 < nf> interesting.  but it would be non-trivial to check that go
source is safe, would it not?
10:36 < nf> maybe they'll leverage some of the NaCl work to sandbox it?
10:37 < uriel> I don't know, not necessarily, they just will limit your
APIs, just like they do in python
10:37 < nf> i'm curious to find out :)
10:38 < uriel> more tricky would be the question of runtime lifetime, how
they keep you from running too many goroutines and how will they force you to
serve a page under x seconds
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10:39 < nf> they must already have that resolved for other technologies,
though
10:39 < uriel> I guess they could do the equivalent of sticking GOMAXCORES
to 1, and then kill your program in case it runs over the deadline for a request
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10:40 < uriel> well, java and python are really not concurrent at all
10:40 < uriel> (certainly not on app engine)
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10:40 < uriel> but Go programs would have the benefit of instantaneous
startup, so killing and reusing instances should be feasible
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10:43 < nf> but not very efficient :S
10:44 < BleSS> another problem in Go for adoption in web development is the
lack of low-level implementations as database drivers
10:44 < nf> i'm not overly familiar with the way appengine is structured -
and i'm sure that a lot of it depends on other scalable resources being available
in a persistent way - but in my experience with web apps you tend to reduce
latency by keeping processes primed to serve requests
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10:45 < nf> BleSS: while this is true, appengine provides a specific set of
external resources than general web dev
10:45 < uriel> BleSS: I don't think that will be an problem for app engine
*cough* big table *cough*
10:46 < uriel> BleSS: and thre are plenty of libs to access databases
elsewhere: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/library-bindings
10:46 < uriel> plus a few clients in go itself:
http://go-lang.cat-v.org/pure-go-libs
10:46 < BleSS> ok, but not everybody will want to use/develp on app engine
;)
10:46 < uriel> BleSS: see ^^^^^^
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11:19 < BleSS> to learning go I wanted to build a module to query data from
a file data base, but it is not necessary to use a data base since that those data
only are going to read, so
11:19 < BleSS> is there any object serialization as pickle in python?
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11:29 < r2p2> because there is no function in the sort package for sorting
chars in a string - i wanted to implement the data interface functions ->
"cannot define new methods on non-local type string" :(
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11:37 < exDM69> r2p2: there was a trick to it by creating a type alias or
whatever it was called
11:37 < exDM69> you create a new type that is equal to string and then add
interfaces to that
11:37 < exDM69> I'm sure you'll find it in the docs somewhere
11:38 < r2p2> ah cool idea
11:38 < r2p2> thx
11:38 < uriel> BleSS: gob
11:38 < uriel> blah, left already
11:38 < uriel> exDM69: it is not a 'trick' it is the way to do things
11:39 < uriel> it is very nice that you can add methods to any type, but
only those inside your package
11:39 < uriel> (that is one of the things I *hate* about ruby, everything
monkey patches everything, you have no clue what interface anything implements, or
where the implementation comes from)
11:40 < uriel> type MyString string // is clean and simple enough
11:40 < r2p2> i try it...
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11:41 < alc> you can take a look at pkg/sort/sort.go.
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11:42 < r2p2> nice solution | invalid argument s (type *mystring) for len
11:42 < r2p2> ah *s - i am silent =)
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12:12 < vigith> i am stuck with go installation on Mac OX 10.4.11..
http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=242 is the exact issue i am facing..
is there any solution for this yet :-)
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12:19 < uriel> not AFAIK, you could try gccgo...
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12:37 < klimek> hi there
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12:56 < rog> http://codereview.appspot.com/179057
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12:57 * rog is quite please with it.
12:57 < rog> s/please/pleased/
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12:59 < r2p2> hm sry - what means "sort.Sort(sort.Interface(word)) used as
value" the used as value?
12:59 < uriel> r2p2: *nice*
13:01 < r2p2> uh sort returns noting :(
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13:32 < taruti> hmm, 6g does not ship mk?
13:33 < uriel> taruti: ?
13:33 < uriel> if you are asking if Go uses mk, the answer is not
13:33 < taruti> uriel: is there a reason?
13:33 < uriel> ask russ and co.
13:34 < uriel> i'd love if they had used mk, but I gues Makefiles work
already, and introducing an extra dependency was not worth the trouble
13:34 < taruti> of course I can use gnu makefiles to shoot myself in the
foot
13:34 < uriel> well, building Go code is a bit simpler than building C, so..
13:34 < taruti> had to touch c++ and now Go seems very inviting for a change
:)
13:35 < uriel> also I wouldn't be surprised if we end up seeing some make
replacement for Go take over at some point
13:35 < uriel> taruti: hahaha...  no shit :)
13:35 < Ycros> someone in here was writing a build system
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13:35 < Ycros> it's up on github.  somewhere.
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13:37 < uriel> there are a couple, but I expect it will be some time before
something takes over as the standard build tool
13:37 < uriel> (hell, we might be writing Makefiles forty years from now...
it sure beats auto*hell)
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14:06 < rog> uriel: did you see my godef cmd?
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14:27 < BleSS> is possible to build/use named pipes or unix domain sockets?
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14:38 < rog> BleSS: good question.  try grepping the source for "socket"
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14:47 < klimek> I'm currently playing around with integrating go into cmake
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14:49 < BleSS> rog: there is support for unix domain sockets, in net module
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14:50 < klimek> is there anybody working on some unittesting support (like
expect) to get standard output without having to write lots of duplicate code?
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14:53 < taruti> got a nice standalone Makefile with cross-compilation and
separate object directories :)
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15:08 < fission6> where can i find simple examples of Go programs,
specifically how to make a small webserver
15:08 < rog> BleSS: cool
15:10 < dho> does flag support multiple flags with the same name?
15:10 < JBeshir> fission6: Try the built-in one.
15:10 < JBeshir> The one in the standard library.
15:10 < fission6> there is an example, is that what your saying
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15:11 < dho> hm, no it doesn't.
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15:15 < fission6> JBeshir: ?
15:15 < uriel> rog: yes, I thought it was a great idea!
15:15 < JBeshir> fission6: The standard library includes a HTTPD
15:16 < rog> uriel: have you tried it?
15:16 < uriel> was going to add it to http://go-lang.cat-v.org but given
that its on its way to the distribution didnt bother
15:16 < fission6> right but is there a server example, i know there is
http...maybe you are saying something different
15:16 < rog> uriel: it needs testing!
15:16 < uriel> not yet, I'm busy with other stuff and kind of waiting for
the semicolon storm to pass
15:16 < rog> uriel: i dunno if they'll accept it
15:16 < uriel> (we have a real snow storm here, and have much snow to shovel
around)
15:16 < uriel> I hope so, seems like a nice addition
15:17 < rog> uriel: but it's really great being able to just click on any
name anywhere in the source and to be taken to its definition
15:17 < rog> particularly if it's buried three unnamed structures deep!
15:17 < uriel> rog: didn't look closely, but I guess it uses plumbable
output, right?
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15:18 < rog> yup - there's an rc script that means you can just click on a
name, middle click "def" and it'll print or plumb the result
15:18 < uriel> awesome
15:20 < rog> it takes stdin too, so it'll work on your current (edited)
version of a source file (as long as it can be parsed)
15:21 < fission6> fission6: The standard library includes a HTTPD what do
you mean by this are you referring to import http?
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15:21 < rog> uriel: the clean type system has been a joy to work with.
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15:22 < rog> uriel: not to mention full closures - i chose to write it in
"lazy" style, which makes it quite efficient & easy to write.
15:22 < rog> (it only translates the types that it needs to)
15:23 < uriel> very nice (sorry, a bit busy at the moment, but really
looking forward to start using it once I have a proper dev environment setup)
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15:50 < fission6> i am looking for a link someone dropped in here last night
to some Google Go code for controller.go package, anyone have the link from the
scrollback
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15:51 < rog> oops.  acme address # offset != file offset!
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15:52 < uriel> fission6: probably it is somewhere in
go-lang.cat-v.org/go-code ;)
15:52 < fission6> thanks
15:52 < kimelto> morning!
15:55 < fission6> ah i see i found it in the irc logs
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16:15 < klimek> if I write type X interface{}, is X an "interface type"?
16:15 < klimek> (because I cannot define methods on it...)
16:17 < uriel> yes
16:17 < klimek> shoot
16:17 < klimek> so I have to create a strcut with one member that's an
interface?
16:17 < klimek> s/strcut/struct/
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16:52 < rog> klimek: yes.  but that's usually no hassle.
16:53 < rog> there's no runtime overhead, i believe
16:54 < rog> it's the same for pointer types - you have to wrap 'em in a
struct if you want to give 'em methods
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16:54 < klimek> rog: oh, it was more for the sake of being able to use
paranthesis for construction
16:55 < klimek> I'd like to add a little more unit testing support, but it
looks like this would be really hard
16:55 < rog> klimek: if you care, define a constructor function
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16:55 < klimek> rog: thought of that, too
16:55 < rog> what's your difficulty?
16:56 < klimek> if I write something like expect(1, Equals{2}, t) I cannot
get the line number and the actual expression from within the method
16:56 < klimek> which is what I usually duplicate when writing those
"checks" manually
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16:57 < rog> i don't think you can get the actual expression
16:58 < rog> but you can get the line number
16:58 < klimek> oh, how?
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16:58 < klimek> looked through the packages, but couldn't find anything
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16:58 < rog> http://golang.org/pkg/runtime/#Caller
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17:00 < klimek> rog: cool, is there already a stack trace method already?
17:00 < klimek> (that just gives the whole stack as nicely formatted string)
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17:02 < rog> klimek: i dunno.  Caller is the only thing i've heard about.
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17:04 < dho> How do I print the contents of a bytes.Buffer?
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17:05 < rog> print(buf.Bytes())
17:05 < dho> thank you
17:05 < rog> or, probably print(buf)
17:06 < dho> no, that doesn't work.
17:06 < rog> no you're righ
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17:06 < rog> t
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17:06 < rog> it should probably implement String()
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17:12 < rog> anyone here use p9p acme to edit go?
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17:16 < tor7> rog: I use acme to edit almost everything, including go,
unless it's on a remote machine
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17:17 < rog> tor7: do you want to try out my new godef tool?
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17:17 < rog> tor7: it's great for browsing the source tree...
17:17 < tor7> the ctags like thing?  sure.
17:17 < rog> tor7: but it needs more testing!
17:18 < rog> tor7: it's a lot more than ctags
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17:18 < tor7> rog: is it acme specific or will it work with, say, wily and
vi as well?
17:19 < rog> the only thing acme specific about it is a shell script that
comes with it
17:20 < rog> (which looks at the selection in the current window and invokes
godef with that)
17:20 < rog> currently it just prints the file & line number, but it could
plumb it
17:20 < rog> it'
17:20 < rog> oops
17:21 < rog> it's quite useful that it prints it when browsing a lot because
it makes it easy to go back to where you were before
17:21 < tor7> file:line sounds good to me, I'm used to tags :)
17:21 < tor7> and grep -n, or ack (horrible perl, but handy tool)
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17:22 < taruti> Is there a reason crypto/tls uses TLS_RSA_WITH_RC4_128_SHA
and does not support something like TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA ?
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17:27 < fission6> if i have a method, how do i have it interface
17:28 < fission6> do i just call it the same as something that already
exists?
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17:29 < rog> fission6: can you rephrase that?
17:29 < fission6> yea i am confused about interfaces and how i specify what
i am interfacing with in a methods signature
17:30 < rog> if a type implements some methods, then it's compatible with
any interface type that requires the same methods with the same types
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17:32 < fission6> can interfaces only be declared on types
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17:40 < fission6> is "type" in Go similar in some regards to Class in Java
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18:08 < rog> iant: i managed to get my "more ambitious" go
definition-finding tool working.  http://codereview.appspot.com/179057
18:08 <+iant> rog: very good; I see that rsc is reviewing
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18:09 < rog> iant: i should have put you on the list too
18:09 <+iant> rsc is a very reliable reviewer
18:09 < rog> that's very true!
18:11 < rog> just seen his review
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18:30 < taruti> The faq mentions protocol buffers, but I cannot find the
implementation.  Where is it?
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18:34 < skelterjohn> I think that there should be a go compiler for the ps3
cell processor
18:34 < skelterjohn> they're always talking about how hard it is for them to
program to the ps3's capability...
18:34 < skelterjohn> comes from using posix threads i'm sure
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18:43 < ukl> hello.  I'm trying the following when writing an insert()
function for a simple binary tree structure: http://gopaste.org/view/o1PDN the
problem is, while the Println statement inside the function spits out what I
expect, the pointer that was the "caller" hasn't changed afterwards
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18:46 < taruti> ukl: do you know C? (just to make explaining easier?)
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18:47 < ukl> taruti: it's been a while but it should be sufficient
18:47 < taruti> ukl: think of a C routine void insert(tree *ptr) { ptr =
foobar; }
18:48 < ukl> yes
18:48 < taruti> the ptr is passed by value and thus the ptr is modified but
the ptr-value in the calling code is not modified.
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18:49 < ukl> but isn't the pointer-value the point where it points to?  oh,
I see
18:49 < ukl> but still I can't think up the solution
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18:51 < taruti> ukl: type BinTree *BinTreeNode; type BinTreeNode struct {
...  }; func (*binTree) insert(c string, f int) { ...  }
18:51 < taruti> or somesuch
18:52 < ukl> taruti: oh...  ok, separating types
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19:21 < dho> Anybody played much with cgo?
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19:31 < skelterjohn> haven't really looked into cgo yet
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19:32 < poul> ...
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19:34 < ukl> taruti: I tried what you suggested but ended up with "invalid
receiver type *binTree"...  using "func (t binTree) insert..." yields the same
error...  strange
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19:38 < taruti> ukl: s/binTree/BinTree/
19:38 < ukl> taruti: I used binTree everywhere...  does that matter?
19:38 < ukl> It's consistent
19:38 < taruti> then not if you used that consistently
19:38 < taruti> do you have the source somewhere?
19:39 < ukl> one second
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19:41 < ukl> http://gopaste.org/view/q032a contains kind of a mess right
now, tho
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19:44 < tor7> t := new(binTree) is wrong
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19:45 < tor7> that's the same as new(*binTreeNode).  which means your t is
of the type **binTreeNode
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19:45 < ukl> hmm ok
19:46 < tor7> don't try to hide pointers by abusing the type declarations :)
19:46 < ukl> I didn't mean to, really...  I just had this whatever-by-value
problem some 30 minutes ago
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19:54 < ukl> tor7: http://gopaste.org/view/N6Ys0 here's a minimal example of
what I hoped would work; I didn't succeed at fixing it so far
19:54 < ukl> it compiles just fine, a call to insert() just doesn't change
anything
19:55 < ukl> taruti suggested that I mixed up something with pointers and
their values, what is probably right, but I don't seem to be able to fix it
19:55 < tor7> yeah, you're modifying t (the receiver) in insert
19:55 < tor7> but that's just changing what the pointer points to, locally
19:55 < ukl> what's the proper way?
19:55 < ukl> like, t = insert(t, ..) ?
19:56 < ukl> (given a modified func of course)
19:56 < tor7> ukl: give me a min
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19:58 < ShadowIce> uhm, question here....will t == nil (line 21) ever be
true?  Is that possible?
19:59 < tor7> ukl: http://gopaste.org/view/05PGU something like that should
work
20:01 < tor7> ukl: the receiver is just like any other argument once inside
the function body
20:02 < ukl> tor7: thanks a lot
20:03 < ukl> taruti: thanks a lot to you, too :)
20:03 < ukl> got to go...  bye
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20:04 < Eridius_> nick Eridius
20:05 < Eridius_> ack
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20:05 < Eridius> Does the "exp" group of packages mean "experimental"?
20:05 < JBeshir> I think so.
20:05 < tor7> Eridius: yes
20:06 < Eridius> hrm.  I need to iterate a vector, and there's a neat
exp/iterable package, but I don't want to use experimental stuff.  I guess I can
just use for foo := range vector.Iter()
20:07 * Eridius was thinking last night about how to iterate arbitrary stuff,
decided a function Iter() <-chan interface{}; seemed like a good way to do it,
was quite happy to see that, in fact, that _is_ the right way
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20:09 < skelterjohn> Eridius: that seems to be becoming the idiomatic way to
do it, though at the moment GC makes that impractical if done a lot
20:09 < Eridius> oh?  why is that?
20:10 < skelterjohn> Vector.Iter(), for instance, will spawn a goroutine
that dumps things into the channel
20:10 * Eridius could also use vector.Do, but likes the chan idea
20:10 < Eridius> well yes, that's what I would assume
20:10 < skelterjohn> if, before it is done, that channel is forgotten, then
that goroutine is just sitting there
20:10 < skelterjohn> blocking forever
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20:10 < skelterjohn> (for now)
20:10 < Eridius> ah, you mean if I break on it
20:10 < skelterjohn> if you do range v.Iter() and break before the end, yeah
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20:11 < Eridius> although if I close the channel before my break it should
be fine
20:11 < skelterjohn> strictly speaking, you're not supposed to do that
20:11 < skelterjohn> close(ch) is considered a sender functionality
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20:11 < Eridius> would it hurt anything if I did?
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20:11 < skelterjohn> "supposed to do that" is a bit of a weasely thing to
say though
20:11 < Eridius> hrm, vector.Do() won't allow breaking either
20:11 < skelterjohn> i don't think so, no
20:11 * Eridius wants to iterate over a vector, and break when he's found what he
wants to find
20:12 < skelterjohn> there are two ML threads devoted to this - one is on
the front page right now (untethered goroutines) the other one, if you search for
"close iter" or osmething similar you should find it
20:13 < Eridius> ah right, ML. I should actually pay attention to that
20:13 < tor7> Eridius: for i := 0; i < v.Len(); i++ { n := v.At(i); ...
20:13 < tor7> that will always work ;)
20:14 < Eridius> I suppose, but it just feels ugly
20:14 < Eridius> also, I had another thought last night.  Slices make it
easy to append to the end without a lot of reallocating (as long as you give
sufficient capacity).  But they seem absolutely terrible for adding/removing
elements from the beginning
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20:14 < tor7> does your vector need to dynamically grow?  if not, consider
just using a slice instead.
20:14 < Eridius> which I suppose is probably why vector doesn't have
Shift/Unshift
20:14 < JBeshir> Eridius: So take a slice from the middle of the array
20:14 < JBeshir> I think that'll work.
20:14 < Eridius> tor7: I am using a vector to make construction of this
object easy
20:15 < Eridius> (the vector is hidden behind an API)
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20:15 < Eridius> JBeshir: well, I'm not using arrays directly, just slices.
I figure if I need that I can wrap it in an API that keeps an offset into the
slice
20:15 < Eridius> JBeshir: the problem with just using a slice directly, even
if it points into the middle of hte array there's no way to say "expand this slice
from the front"
20:15 < JBeshir> You can't say -1?
20:15 * JBeshir doesn't know
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20:16 < JBeshir> I suspect you might be right, given that it's a single
length and capacity
20:16 < Eridius> which also makes me wonder, if I do something like foo :=
make([]byte, 100000); foo = foo[len(foo)-10:]; will the slice keep the entire
backing array rooted even though most of it is now inaccessible?
20:16 < Eridius> hrm, lunchtime
20:16 < JBeshir> Yes, I believe it will.
20:16 < tor7> Eridius: copy(s, s[1:]); s = s[0:len(s)-1]; will chop off the
first element and not lose any memory
20:16 < Eridius> that's rather unfortunate
20:16 < Eridius> tor7: yes but it will also copy every element
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20:31 < fission6> are types similar to Java Classes in some regard?
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20:32 < skelterjohn> not really
20:32 < tor7> fission6: no.  but pointers to structs and interface types are
the closest you will get, in different ways.
20:32 < fission6> tor7: i could see t hat
20:32 < skelterjohn> you can pretend you have classes, but it's not the same
20:32 < fission6> agreed
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20:33 < fission6> so are types the only thing you can declare as interface
20:33 < tor7> pointers to structs act much as classes in java, but no
inheritance.
20:33 < tor7> and I don't understand that question at all
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20:34 < fission6> where can the interface keyword be used is it only when
declaring types
20:35 < tor7> type Reader interface { ...  bunch of methods ...  } is how
you define an interface.  any value that satisfies the interface (i.e.  provides
the methods) can then be used as if its type is Reader.
20:36 < tor7> fission6: yes, just like the keyword struct.
20:36 < fission6> why would it be a bunch of methods
20:36 < tor7> because that's what an interface is.
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20:37 < tor7> fission6: http://golang.org/doc/go_tutorial.html
20:37 < taruti> fission6: what are you trying to do?
20:38 < tor7> fission6: sorry, wrong link.
http://golang.org/doc/go_spec.html is what I meant.
20:38 < fission6> ah this is good, illr eview
20:39 < tor7> fission6: if you don't know C, then Go will not be an easy
language to pick up.
20:40 < fission6> no i do, its just that i havent written c/c++ for nearly 8
years
20:40 < fission6> trying to recall a few things
20:40 < fission6> interface is the only thing right now thats not sitting
well
20:41 < tor7> the source to the library is out there, it helps a lot to just
read through that to see how things work in real code
20:42 < fission6> yea actually i did that for a few libraries
20:42 < tor7> you can think of an interface value as a struct { Type *type;
void *value; } in C
20:42 < fission6> and most made sense
20:42 < tor7> where the Type contains the runtime type info, such as a list
of the methods
20:43 < tor7> much like vtables in C++
20:44 < tor7> and an interface type is a way to state which methods are
valid for a given object
20:44 < tor7> anyway, the spec states it better than I can :)
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20:45 < fission6> the other idea i am currently trying to understand is
receivers
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20:48 < taruti> they are just extra syntax
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20:48 < tor7> they're a bit more than that, they're the way to do dynamic
dispatch of methods on interface values
20:49 < taruti> http://golang.org/doc/go_spec.html#Method_declarations
explains it quite nicely
20:49 < tor7> for a statically typed value, they're just convenient syntax
sugar though
20:49 < fission6> taruti: thats what i was reading actually right now
20:49 < fission6> which does clear it up
20:50 < fission6> so if i have an interface type do i have to implement the
methods i interface, what happens if i dont
20:53 < skelterjohn> if you don't, then the compiler won't let you treat
instances of that struct as representatives of that interface
20:53 <+iant> an interface type only has method signatures, you don't define
methods on an interface type itself
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20:55 < fission6> whats the point of putting just method signatures, what
going on in the background, how does it actually know what to implement
20:57 <+iant> fission6: an interface type is a set of methods
20:57 < fission6> right i see that
20:57 <+iant> you can have a value of interface type
20:57 < fission6> what is that given me for an instance of that type
20:57 < tor7> so that you will know which methods you can call on an
interface value
20:57 <+iant> to actually assign something to that variable, you need to
assign a value which has methods which meet the interface
21:00 < fission6> so its sort of like a base class, kind off
21:00 < fission6> of*
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21:00 < tor7> it's closer to a java interface actually
21:01 < tor7> (since you mentioned java earlier)
21:01 < tor7> it's a promise that the value (or object, or struct) has a
given set of methods
21:01 < fission6> ok, thats a good way to look at it
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21:02 < fission6> what do you mean by value, i just want to make sure i am
defining value the same way you are
21:02 < tor7> value, the contents of a variable or result of an expression
21:03 < fission6> so not just an instance of a typr
21:03 < fission6> type
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21:03 < tor7> it's the same, isn't it?
21:04 < tor7> every value has a type
21:04 < fission6> hey thats whta i was checking
21:04 < fission6> ok i think things are much clearer thanks tor7
21:04 < tor7> glad to have helped
21:05 < fission6> oh yea
21:05 < fission6> im sure ill have more questions as i make my way through
21:06 < fission6> also what was the decision to wrap the lower parts of Go
around c libs for system calls, rather than create a new system lib?
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21:07 <+iant> just for bootstrapping purposes, really
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21:11 < fission6> http://golang.org/doc/effective_go.html#interface_methods
what i dont understand in their examples here is how the type Count knows to
implement ServerHTTP
21:12 <+iant> In what sense?  I mean, in the simple sense, it clearly knows,
because the method is written there in the source code
21:13 < tor7> fission6: it's inferred by the methods it implements.
21:13 < tor7> there is no need to explicitly state that a type implements an
interface
21:13 < fission6> oh is all this suppose to be in the same package
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21:14 < tor7> no, it has nothing to do with packages
21:15 < fission6> well how does inferre, if i dont say that type Counter
struct { Handler; n int; }
21:15 < KirkMcDonald> fission6: It implements the interface by virtue of
having the methods defined in the interface.
21:16 < fission6> methods defined in the interface.  where is that happening
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21:16 < KirkMcDonald> fission6: Perhaps I misunderstood the question.
21:16 * KirkMcDonald reads the link more closely.
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21:17 < KirkMcDonald> fission6: I guess I don't understand the question.
21:17 <+iant> fission6: func (ctr *Counter) ServeHTTP(c *http.Conn, req
*http.Request) {
21:17 <+iant> there's the method required by the interface
21:17 <+iant> for the type Counter
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21:18 <+iant> any type which implements a method with that name and those
parameter types will satisfy the interface
21:18 < fission6> right, but where do you see this portion, "required by the
interface for the type Counter"
21:18 <+iant> that does not need to be stated in the program
21:18 < fission6> ok
21:18 < taruti> hmm, googling does not provide any hints for the protocol
buffers.
21:18 < KirkMcDonald> fission6: See the bit: type Handler interface {
ServeHTTP(*Conn, *Request); }
21:18 < KirkMcDonald> fission6: So there is this interface named Handler.
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21:18 < fission6> i hear ya but i dont understand how this doesn't lead to
colliding with other methods with the same signatures in idfferent packages, there
is no scope to it
21:18 < taruti> maybe it is well-hidden or the mention in the faq is just
vaporware
21:19 <+iant> collisions are possible, yes
21:19 <+iant> taruti: unfortunately the answer is none of the above
21:19 < KirkMcDonald> fission6: In practice this is not really a problem.
21:19 <+iant> we're somehow stalled on the protocol compiler release process
21:19 <+iant> the code exists, it just hasn't been pushed out
21:19 <+iant> apparently the protocol compiler developers have some sort of
plugin interface or something
21:19 <+iant> and we are supposed to use that
21:19 < fission6> hmmm, i guess the linker merges it all for wherever it
sees methods with exact signatures?
21:19 < KirkMcDonald> (I mean, heck, I'm coming to Go from Python, which has
the same "problem," but moreso, and it seems to work out alright.)
21:20 <+iant> fission6: the linker is not really involved at this level
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21:20 <+iant> fission6: you can't have two methods with the same signature
for the same type
21:20 <+iant> you can have two methods with the same signature for different
types
21:20 <+iant> those are not merged
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21:20 < fission6> ok
21:21 < taruti> iant: yes, but the protoc svn has nothing of the plugin
architecture (just vague mentions on the ml), and the go stuff appears to be
hidden too.  Is there any sort of timetable for this?
21:21 < fission6> func (ctr *Counter) ServeHTTP(c *http.Conn, req
*http.Request) { so for this i dont understand how it "knows" that this ServeHTTP
is the exact method from the http package
21:21 < taruti> just would like to avoid duplicating work if possible.
21:21 < KirkMcDonald> As I understand it, accessing a method via an
interface is done via a vtable when possible, and via reflection otherwise.
21:21 <+iant> taruti: excellent question to which I do not know the answer
21:22 <+iant> taruti: my insight into the protocol compiler open source
release process is limited
21:22 <+iant> taruti: and actually I don't know if the plugin interface is
written or just designed
21:22 <+iant> maybe we can just release the protocol compiler changes as a
patch or something....
21:22 < taruti> iant: so "probably no go support at least in the next month"
:)
21:22 <+danderson> taruti: the best would be to ask this on the protocol
buffers mailing list.  Kenton (the primary google developer for protocol buffers)
is quite responsive and open about roadmaps.
21:22 <+iant> taruti: can you open an issue for this if there isn't one
already open?
21:23 <+iant> danderson: good suggestion
21:23 <+iant> fission6: the ServeHTTP method on the Counter type is not the
exact method from the http package; it's not in the http package at all
21:23 < taruti> iant: ok, will do.
21:24 <+iant> fission6: but since Counter has a ServeHTTP method, it meets
the requirements of http.Handler
21:24 <+iant> any type with a ServeHTTP method with those parameter types
would meet the requirements of http.Handler
21:24 <+iant> in java terms, it implements the interface, you just don't
have to explicitly say "implements http.Handler"
21:24 < fission6> ok, and than that allows that type to do what...
21:25 <+iant> it means that given a value of type Counter, you can assign
that value to a variable of type http.Handler
21:25 < KirkMcDonald> Counter?  Or *Counter?
21:25 <+iant> *Counter, yes
21:26 <+iant> thanks
21:27 < fission6> http.Handle("/counter", ctr);
21:27 < fission6> and thats what they are doing here by passing in ctr,
correct
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22:28 < Eridius> one would assume the zero value for a string is "", but I
can't actually find that defined anywhere
22:28 < KirkMcDonald> Eridius:
http://golang.org/doc/go_spec.html#The_zero_value
22:29 < KirkMcDonald> " Each element of such a value is set to the zero
value for its type: false for booleans, 0 for integers, 0.0 for floats, "" for
strings, and nil for pointers, functions, interfaces, slices, channels, and maps."
22:30 < Eridius> KirkMcDonald: ah hah, thanks.  I looked at other parts of
the spec, but missed the explicit "zero value" section at the end
22:30 * Eridius expected zero values to be defined where the types themselves were
defined, but apparently not
22:33 < plexdev> http://is.gd/5p4nL by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/ -- gc:
var x, ok = m[y]
22:33 < plexdev> http://is.gd/5p4nQ by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/ -- gc:
double-check usage of ...
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23:35 < plexdev> http://is.gd/5p8xP by [Robert Griesemer] in 28 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/ -- 1) Change default gofmt default settings for
23:35 < plexdev> http://is.gd/5p8xS by [Rob Pike] in 2 subdirs of go/doc/ --
update tutorial.
23:36 < plexdev> http://is.gd/5p8yp by [Robert Griesemer] in 35 subdirs of
go/ -- 1) Change default gofmt default settings for
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go/src/pkg/ -- 1) Change default gofmt default settings for
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23:41 < alexsuraci> oo, gofmt switchover.
23:42 < alexsuraci> nice, spaces for alignment too.
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23:42 <+iant> apparently we saved 51114 semicolons
23:44 < KirkMcDonald> From what?
23:44 < KirkMcDonald> Certain destruction?
23:45 <+iant> A HORRIBLE FATE
23:45 <+iant> which must be left unspecified to avoid shocking the reader
23:45 < KirkMcDonald> But that's even more shocking!
23:45 < spikebike> just imagine all the unemployed ";"'s
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23:52 < plexdev> http://is.gd/5p9ua by [Robert Griesemer] in 14 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/ -- 1) Change default gofmt default settings for
23:52 < plexdev> http://is.gd/5p9uc by [Robert Griesemer] in 14 subdirs of
go/ -- 1) Change default gofmt default settings for
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23:58 < anticw> looks like the semi-change is done
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