--- Log opened Wed Dec 30 00:00:00 2009
--- Day changed Wed Dec 30 2009
00:00 < dho> yeah it's still doing that even for a simple enum { a, b, c, d
};
00:00 < WalterMundt> it compiles something that looks like
typeof(IDNA_SUCCESS) __cgo__42; and then checking the debug info of the latter
symbol
00:00 < dho> yeah.
00:01 < WalterMundt> ahh
00:01 < WalterMundt> I think I see it now
00:01 < WalterMundt> if you reference the enum type being typedef'd, it
generates a Cref to the TYPE
00:02 < dho> no
00:02 < dho> create test.go
00:02 < WalterMundt> no?
00:02 < dho> package enum
00:02 < dho> // enum {a, b, c, d};
00:02 < dho> import "C"
00:02 < dho> import "fmt"
00:02 < dho> func Test() { fmt.Printf("%d %d %d %d", C.a, C.b, C.c, C.d) }
00:02 < dho> does the same thing
00:02 < dho> i'll take a look at it in a bit
00:02 < dho> i gotta go home
00:03 < WalterMundt> k
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00:06 < WalterMundt> dho: try this
00:07 < WalterMundt> http://gopaste.org/view/4CzD7
00:07 < WalterMundt> you'll note the code generated is completely different
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00:07 < WalterMundt> and changes back if you comment out the declaration of
Test2()
00:08 < WalterMundt> Referring to the enum as a type via C.* (anywhere in
the cgo file) will change the way it translates members to the enum vars
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00:20 < WalterMundt> gotta go home myself, so I filed an issue:
http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=479
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01:01 < gnuvince> With the new syntax changes, the go compiler inserts
semi-colons after everyline?
01:02 < jhh> dho: great mail
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01:03 <+iant> gnuvince: sort of but not quite, the exact rules are in the
spec
01:03 < jhh> gnuvince: I think you don't have to type the semi-colons.  The
compiler doesn't want them anymore.
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01:04 < gnuvince> Cause I found out that my usual programming style messes
up the new syntax
01:04 < gnuvince> I write my if/else like this:
01:04 < gnuvince> if ...  {
01:04 < gnuvince> }
01:04 < gnuvince> else {
01:04 < gnuvince> }
01:04 <+iant> now you have to write } else {
01:05 < gnuvince> Yeah
01:05 < gnuvince> Which I hate
01:05 < gnuvince> (the else should be aligned with the if)
01:13 < jhh> you can use gofmt to change something you like into something
the go compiler likes
01:13 < jhh> (i think)
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01:59 < osmosis> how do I get started with Go on ubuntu?
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02:00 < osmosis> carriage returns matter?
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02:31 < dho> osmosis: You install it?  More specific questions are useful.
02:31 < dho> jhh: Thanks
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02:49 < dho> I wonder if the problem is that no dwarf symbols are generated
02:49 < dho> if the enum isn't given a type
02:50 < dho> that doesn't make sense.
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02:55 < dho> aha.
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03:00 < dho> except that's exactly what happens for some reason
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03:03 < dho> plot thickens.
03:03 < dho> we exit the for loop skipping the enum type.
03:03 < dho> because it is unused...
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03:14 < dho> nope.
03:14 < dho> still wrong :)
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03:38 < dho> ugh, dealing with dwarf is a pita
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03:59 < dho> Was there some data::dumper style thing for go?
03:59 < dho> I know fmt.Printf("%t"), but I'd like to know which fields have
those values
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04:06 < dho> Yeah, the problem is that there's no way to reference an
anonymous enum to get dwarf output for it.
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04:26 < dho> hrm
04:26 * dho loves being the only person in here.
04:31 < dho> I'm really not sure how to address this issue.
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04:32 < dho> iant: you don't happen to be around?
04:32 <+iant> dho: I am around
04:32 <+iant> I don't think I know anything helpful here, though
04:33 < dho> heh
04:33 < dho> more problems with enums in cgo
04:33 < dho> reading through how it actually works, cgo is really limited
and fragile.
04:33 <+iant> yeah
04:36 < dho> There's seemingly no way to get dwarf stabs for an anonymous
enum
04:38 <+iant> I assume that the enum is not used for any actual variable
04:38 < dho> And I'm fresh out of ideas.  For enum {a}; there is no way to
understand that C.a comes from an enum
04:38 < dho> You actually have to have something like
04:38 < dho> typedef enum {a} foo;
04:38 < dho> and then have
04:39 < dho> func useless() C.foo { return C.a; }
04:39 <+iant> What if you use -fno-eliminate-unused-debug-types?
04:39 < dho> well that would require me to know every -foption <_<
04:40 < dho> I'll try that.
04:40 <+iant> you don't read the gcc manual regularly??
04:40 < dho> haha
04:40 < dho> poor you :)
04:40 < dho> oh my gooses
04:40 < dho> you are a god.
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04:41 <+iant> now you can find out what else breaks when you use that....
04:42 < dho> Well, no way to do that without putting it in, I guess.
04:42 * dho doesn't have a comprehensive cgo suite.
04:42 < dho> although
04:46 < dho> Seems to be OK if you don't reference the types
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10:45 < JPascal> iant, http://pastebin.com/m7e0839bb
10:46 < JPascal> Can`t build after hg pull ....  make
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15:20 < dho> morning john
15:21 < dho> and john.
15:21 < dho> <_<
15:22 < binaryjohn> Morning
15:23 < dho> I wish Russ wasn't out, it's making it a real pain in the ass
for me to work on cgo
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15:45 < skelterjohn> hi dho
15:48 < dho> You don't happen to use cgo for anything do you?
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16:04 < ShadowIce> who can I kick for LC_CTYPE != C -> application
crashs?  ^^
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16:05 < dho> is this with gc or gccgo
16:05 < ShadowIce> gc
16:05 < dho> do you have a simple program to demonstrate the crash
16:06 < ShadowIce> sadly no...
16:06 < ShadowIce> but it's quick to reproduce
16:06 < dho> So it won't do it just by having a simple package main func
main() {}?
16:08 < ShadowIce> no, it looks like there's a string that gets its memory
freed too soon, but I can't reproduce it yet
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16:10 < dho> I don't see Go actually using CTYPE anywhere except for setting
it in e.g.  gotest and cgo
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16:12 < ShadowIce> it has to do with gotest (sort of)
16:12 < dho> You are providing next to no useful information.
16:13 < ShadowIce> sorry, trying to watch 26c3 stream at the same time ^^
16:13 < ShadowIce> if you want to reproduce it:
16:13 < ShadowIce> 1) git clone git://github.com/skybrian/Gongo.git
16:13 < ShadowIce> 2) cd Gongo, 3) gotest
16:14 < dho> ok
16:14 < ShadowIce> 4) set LC_CTYPE to something not C (and the other LC_
stuff as well) and run ./6.out
16:14 < dho> What other LC_ stuff?
16:14 < dho> I don't use it.
16:14 < dho> So you will have to remind me
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16:15 < dho> WalterMundt: I fixed your problem last night :P
16:15 < WalterMundt> dho: Very nice.  I saw your first...four?  comments but
at last check it was still a WIP
16:15 < dho> haha
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16:15 < ShadowIce> http://pastebin.com/m12852cc0 <-- that's what I have
16:15 < dho> it was very frustrating
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16:16 < WalterMundt> I would have tried to synthesize the type into the test
compile so as to get DWARF symbols.  Maybe add a "typeof(someexpr);" line for the
expressions so you get debug info on their types
16:17 < dho> ShadowIce: so it only faults sometimes?  what os?  (i'm
assuming amd64)
16:17 < WalterMundt> lemme read the bug
16:17 < ShadowIce> Linux/AMD64
16:17 < ShadowIce> no, it faults always
16:17 < ShadowIce> if you run gotest it will set LC_ALL and LC_CTYLE to C,
so it won't happen in that case
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16:18 < skelterjohn> dho: no i don't use cgo for anything
16:18 < ShadowIce> if you run the executable with different LC the last test
crashes
16:18 < dho> ShadowIce: works for me.
16:18 < dho> what version of go are you running?
16:18 < dho> (hg identify in $GOROOT)
16:19 < ShadowIce> f2bcfd1ad575 tip
16:19 < WalterMundt> yay for obscure compiler flags
16:19 < dho> ShadowIce: what sort of linux?
16:19 < dho> it doesn't happen here.
16:19 < ShadowIce> Gentoo
16:19 < ShadowIce> did you change the LC?
16:19 < dho> Yes.
16:20 < dho> i've a lolnux workstation at work, it's running centos
5.whatever
16:20 < dho> doesn't crash.
16:20 < dho> ever
16:20 < dho> WalterMundt: yeah.
16:21 < ShadowIce> LC_ALL="de_DE.utf8" ./6.out <-- this crashes here,
maybe you don't have that local and it defaults to C or so
16:21 < dho> WalterMundt: iant said to me last night, `what, you don't spend
hours every day reading gcc manuals?'
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16:22 < dho> ShadowIce: That locale is in /usr/lib/locale
16:22 < dho> so
16:22 < WalterMundt> dho: well, I suppose you could for quite a while
without running out
16:22 < WalterMundt> though I won't speculate as to your sanity level
afterwards
16:23 < dho> i'm sure haha
16:23 < dho> WalterMundt: you don't happen to have anything that uses _Bool
16:23 < dho> do you?
16:23 < WalterMundt> I don't know what _Bool is so, no
16:23 < dho> C99 boolean type
16:23 < ShadowIce> dho: http://pastebin.com/m1ed6c4d
16:23 < WalterMundt> ahh.  ok.  I'm not up on most of the C99-isms
16:23 < dho> would like to have someone test it
16:23 < dho> with a patch
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16:26 < dho> ShadowIce: yeah, dunno
16:26 < dho> i don't see that
16:26 < dho> file an issue
16:26 < dho> You'll probably want to paste your uname in because Linux/amd64
clearly doesn't cut it for reproducing :)
16:27 < ShadowIce> Linux norad 2.6.31-gentoo-r6 #5 SMP PREEMPT Mon Dec 21
11:35:02 CET 2009 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+
AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
16:27 < dho> in the issue
16:27 < ShadowIce> I'll try it on some other PCs here :)
16:28 < dho> WalterMundt: just out of curiosity though, if I have a cgo file
with e.g.
16:29 < dho> package foo /* int bla = 1; */ import ( "C" "fmt" ) func Bar {
fmt.Printf("%d\n", C.bla); }
16:29 < dho> is that supposed to print out 1
16:29 < dho> or am I doing something wrong
16:30 < WalterMundt> I don't know.  That's the behavior I'd expect, but I
don't consider myself an authority on the topic, and I can see why it might break
16:31 < WalterMundt> It looks to me like cgo's variable handling is mainly
designed to deal with externs from C libs
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16:34 < keet> is there something similar to C's scanf in go?
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16:35 < dho> WalterMundt: sure, ok
16:35 < dho> misunderstanding on my part
16:36 < WalterMundt> what does it do, anyway?
16:36 < dho> what does what do?  cgo?
16:36 < WalterMundt> your line of cgo
16:36 < dho> crash
16:36 < WalterMundt> ahh
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16:36 < dho> That's fine in that case.
16:37 < ShadowIce> dho: can't reproduce it on my laptops (linux/386, single
core)...and the crash disappears here if I set GOMAXPROCS to 1
16:37 < dho> you didn't say that GOMAXPROCS was not set to 1
16:37 < dho> but it still works for me with GOMAXPROCS=4
16:38 < ShadowIce> I have it at two
16:39 < dho> still works
16:40 < keet> how do I read (formatted) input from stdin?  I just want to
know if there's a straightforward simple thing like scanf
16:41 < mauke> WHAT
16:41 < mauke> scanf is the opposite of straightforward and simple
16:41 < SoniaKeys> lol
16:42 < keet> ok then how do I read stuff from console in go..  I'm pretty
new to it
16:42 < dho> you can use a bufio.Reader on os.Stdin
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16:46 < dho> er
16:46 < dho> where the fuck is stdbool.h on linux
16:46 < dho> the only one i can find is at
/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-linux/4.1.1/include/stdbool.h
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16:46 < WalterMundt> that may be it; it's possible that the distro has it
packaged by compiler version
16:47 <+iant> that's the one, it is considered to be a compiler header file
16:47 < mauke> yeah, basically
16:47 < dho> weird.
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16:47 * dho wonders why cgo's throwing a syntax error now
16:47 <+iant> stddef.h is the same way
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16:47 < dho> oh, right.
16:47 < dho> semicolons matter in c <_<
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16:53 < WalterMundt> heh
16:53 < WalterMundt> they matter in Go too, even the implicit ones.  func
foo() \n { ...  still catches me because that is one place where I'm accustomed to
putting the brace on a new line
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16:56 < dho> hm
16:57 < dho> still not sure what i'm doing wrong.  created a libtest.so that
has a symbol `foo' which is a boolean set to true
16:57 < dho> have TARG=ctest, CGOFILES=test.go, CGO_LDFLAGS=-ltest
16:57 < dho> libtest.so => /usr/lib64/libtest.so (0x00002b29c87d1000)
16:57 < dho> still segfaults when I try to call it's function to print the
bool
16:58 < WalterMundt> strange
16:58 < WalterMundt> does the cgo-generated code look sane?
16:58 < dho> var _C_foo *_C__Bool
16:58 < dho> looks ok to me
16:58 < dho> type _C__Bool bool
16:58 < dho> so
16:59 < WalterMundt> and elsewhere there's a #pragma dynld _C_foo ...
16:59 < WalterMundt> I believe
16:59 < dho> _cgo_defun.c:#pragma dynld ctest·_C_foo foo
"/home/devon/golang/pkg/linux_amd64/ctest.so"
16:59 < dho> which again finds the libtest.so in the right place
16:59 < WalterMundt> yeah
16:59 < WalterMundt> I wonder what &C.foo would do
17:00 < dho> http://gopaste.org/view/nS68H
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17:01 < dho> [devon@hoko gotest]$ 6g main.go; 6l main.6; ./6.out
17:01 < dho> %t(*ctest._C__Bool=<nil>)
17:01 < dho> heh
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17:01 < WalterMundt> nil, huh?  That doesn't sound right...
17:02 < WalterMundt> oh
17:02 < WalterMundt> try changing it from bool foo = true; to "extern bool
foo;"
17:02 < dho> oh, right
17:03 < dho> nope :\
17:05 < WalterMundt> okay, you've hit the limit of any help I can give, I
think
17:05 < dho> on your cgo stuff, if you nm the _cgo_.so, what symbols do you
get?
17:06 < WalterMundt> I;ll check
17:08 < WalterMundt> http://gopaste.org/view/8y5s3
17:09 < dho> hm, weird.
17:10 < dho> does libidn have anything exported that isn't a function or an
enum?
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17:13 < WalterMundt> nope
17:13 < WalterMundt> or rather, nothing I'm using at least, can't say 100%
17:13 < WalterMundt> since I only really need the three functions there and
the enums to go with them
17:13 < dho> I guess that's not typically horrendously useful in C anyway
17:14 < dho> er, with shared libraries
17:14 < WalterMundt> yeah, it's usually only old non-threadsafe libs that
have so-linked externs
17:15 < WalterMundt> since in general having global data that you actively
expect outside code to tinker with is no longer considered good practice
17:16 < dho> eh, good enough then i guess
17:16 < dho> [devon@hoko gotest]$ 6g main.go; 6l main.6; ./6.out
17:16 < dho> true
17:16 < dho> false
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17:23 < Brandon\wcr> Just curious, anyone here ever attempt to make a
baseball simulator?
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17:41 < jhh> a good day to you sirs
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18:08 < dho> how does one get rid of an entry in an array?
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18:26 < dho> Well.
18:27 < dho> I think I have something that fixes most of hte outstanding cgo
issues.
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18:50 < jhh> dho: did your recipeing work out?
18:50 * skelterjohn is curious too
18:57 < dho> I didn't play with it last night, was working on cgo
19:07 < dho> I left it struggling to figure out how to get things like
19:07 < dho> OFILES=(list)
19:07 < dho> %.$O: %.c
19:07 < dho> and then generating the %.c if they're not there
19:08 < dho> it's kind of hard to express that in such a format
19:13 < jhh> and regenerate even if they are there if their source changed
:/
19:17 < jhh> cgo effectively creates 3 object files?
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19:20 < jhh> i think i'll try working on a parser
19:23 < asyncster> wow, just discovered bufio.ReadString
19:32 < dho> jhh: what's the third?
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19:33 < jhh> i have no idea.  i thought you said something about go, 6c and
gcc or so
19:34 < dho> you get two
19:34 < dho> the gc and cc stuff are compiled together
19:34 < dho> and then you get the .so that is compiled with gcc
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19:47 < jhh> ah okay
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20:02 < dho> oh god, not again.
20:02 < skelterjohn> heh
20:02 < dho> two /ignores fixes that right up.
20:03 < skelterjohn> i don't think my client's ignore list filters
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20:04 < dho> ah
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20:07 < skelterjohn> definitely doesn't
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20:08 < skelterjohn> she/he is only in this room.  I wish she/he would read
what is said now and then.
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20:12 < dho> 15:35 [freenode] -!- channels : #ironpython #jython #jquery-ui
#jquery #go-nuts #pypy #django-cms #django
20:12 < dho> was from yesterday
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20:45 < jhh> why are there no moderators here?
20:46 < asyncster> i dont think freenode is big on mods in general
20:47 < dho> the google people can have chanserv set their mode to +o in the
channel
20:48 < dho> see also
20:48 < dho> /quote chanserv access #go-nuts list
20:48 < WalterMundt> the general Freenode policy is that channel owners
should only invoke the op role when needed to fix things
20:49 < WalterMundt> it's not a rule, but a lot of Freenode channels follow
it
20:49 < dho> I like pissing people off by setting +o and leaving it.
20:49 < dagle> :)
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21:08 < asyncster> woohoo just created another library:
http://github.com/hoisie/gostache
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21:21 < dho> asyncster: what does your web framework do that src/pkg/http
doesn't?
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21:22 < asyncster> for basic web stuff, it does routing by regular
expressions
21:22 < asyncster> and now it supports fastcgi and scgi
21:22 < asyncster> soon it'll have session support
21:23 < asyncster> but right now it's pretty basic
21:23 < dho> http supports regexp mappings
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21:26 < asyncster> yeah, the goal is to be quick and simple
21:27 < asyncster> i used the http server interface and its a little clunky
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21:28 < asyncster> dho didnt you submit a patch to web.go ? :)
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21:30 < dho> yeah I did.
21:30 < dho> I haven't actually used it yet :)
21:30 < dho> much like I've submitted a lot of bugfixes to Go, and haven't
used Go much yet :)
21:30 < asyncster> haha
21:31 < asyncster> i think theres only one site out there that runs web.go :
http://getwebgo.com/
21:32 < skelterjohn> heh
21:33 < asyncster> dho: oh, web.go supports regex groups in patterns, which
get passed as arguments to handler functions
21:34 < dho> ok
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21:39 < asyncster> dho hows the freebsd project doing?
21:39 < asyncster> i used to be a huge fbsd user back in the day
21:44 < dho> it works
21:44 < dho> not a whole lot to do after that :)
21:44 < dho> i could probably go through and implement more syscalls
21:48 < asyncster> hmm
21:49 < asyncster> im sure something interesting will pop up
21:49 < dho> well, I need to churn a bit more discussion from the go team
about how to handle versioning
21:49 < dho> FreeBSD 9 will be out at some point in the not too distant
future and it has some improvements that go can take advantage of
21:49 < dho> some of those will end up back in 8.1 as well, I believe
21:50 < dho> (like enhancements to kqueue/kevent)
21:50 < dho> iant brought up some discussion on that, but it's a complicated
thing.  you don't really want to check for that sort of stuff at runtime to see
what you should use.
21:50 < dho> or i don't at least.
21:50 < dho> i also don't want to litter the source tree
21:51 < dho> and i don't want to litter the source code
21:51 < dho> so, it'll be interesting to see what we work out.
21:51 < asyncster> hm
21:51 < yoyo__> #psychology
21:51 < dho> philosophy, really.
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21:52 < asyncster> yeah compile time would be ideal
21:52 < asyncster> i haven't really worked with that stuff though
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21:56 < asyncster> anyone know a good tool that does stress tests on web
servers?
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21:56 < asyncster> esp.  something that simulates real requests
21:57 < asyncster> maybe even crawls the site and requests links off of the
site
22:00 < dho> ab is reasonable
22:00 < dho> wget can do the latter
22:00 < dho> don't run it on the same machine
22:01 < asyncster> hm yeah
22:01 < WalterMundt> hehe, I wrote a little tool in Go that just slams a
single URL to test maximum throughput, but that's hardly a realistic test
22:05 < oal> Can Go be used to create everything C++ can?
22:06 < dho> software is software.
22:06 < jhh> ask Alan Turing ;)
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22:10 < oal> jhh: Alan Turing?
22:11 < youngbull> I'm guessing that would be "is go Turing complete?" but I
guess C capabilities > Turing complete
22:11 <+iant> youngbull: no, the point of "Turing complete" is that it is
complete
22:11 <+iant> any system which is Turing complete can emulate any other
system which is Turing complete
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22:12 < youngbull> oh ok, never really read that much about that
22:13 <+iant> the Church-Turing hypothesis is that humans are also Turing
complete and can thus be simulated by any sufficiently large computer
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22:15 < dho> I'm not sure I'd agree with that hypothesis
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22:16 < dho> turing completeness describes traits of a system.  therefore,
turing-completeness of a human would describe a set of traits of a human, but it
is by no means a comprehensive list of those traits :)
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22:19 <+iant> Another way to say it is to ask whether a human can do
anything which a computer can not do
22:19 <+iant> I think it remains an open question
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22:20 < dho> Sure, we can ignore instructions :)
22:24 < jhh> it doesn't need much to emulate me.
22:25 < jhh> Pentium III might be sufficient.
22:28 < skelterjohn> dho: the "complete" part means that it's comprehensive
22:28 < skelterjohn> the turing part means that it can do things that other
turing complete things can do
22:28 < skelterjohn> so human's can be turing capable, and i'm sure they
are, without being turing complete
22:29 < skelterjohn> humans
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22:31 < dho> that or math doesn't answer everything :)
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22:33 < skelterjohn> i believe that the universe is turing complete :)
22:33 < skelterjohn> and that, as you put it, math answers everything
22:34 < jhh> do you have a turing capability proof?
22:34 < skelterjohn> sure - you, as a human, can follow directions written
on paper to do what a turing machine would do to its infinite tape
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22:35 < skelterjohn> since a human can describe exactly a turing machine and
the process it goes through, a human is capable of emulating that process.
22:36 < jhh> ah okay, then my laptop can as well, so that's the boring half
of the proof
22:36 < skelterjohn> yes
22:36 < jhh> for some reason i started thinking about how to use planets to
calculate
22:36 < skelterjohn> not sure where you're going with that :)
22:36 < jhh> me neither
22:37 < dho> skelterjohn: there's a critical philosophical difference
between can and does.
22:37 < skelterjohn> sure?
22:38 < skelterjohn> a human can certainly emulate a process that isn't
turing complete
22:38 < skelterjohn> the question is whether or not a human can do something
a turing machine can't do
22:38 < dho> sorry, there's a critical difference between capability and
completeness that i read over.
22:39 < dho> I think so, and I will leave you with burden of proof :)
22:39 < skelterjohn> all you have to do is give a counter-example ;)
22:39 <+iant> I don't think anybody knows how to either prove or disprove
the hypothesis
22:40 < dho> I think that the fact that most people don't know about it,
don't care, or both, serves to the fact that it's a totally uninteresting point,
even if it could be proved :)
22:40 < skelterjohn> i disagree strongly
22:40 <+iant> well, that is true of most philosophy, yet people keep working
on it
22:41 < dho> iant: yep
22:41 < skelterjohn> "most people" do not determine what is or is not
interesting, since "interesting" is subjective to the viewer
22:41 < dho> as they do most other philosophies
22:41 < WalterMundt> I find all kinds of things fascinating that would bore
most people to death.  Type systems in programming languages, for example.
22:42 < skelterjohn> most people find calculus uninteresting.  yet without
it the human race will be extinguished when or before our sun dies
22:42 < rbancroft> humans don't really suffer from the halting problem
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22:43 < dho> rbancroft: humans halt :)
22:43 < dho> unless you count offspring
22:43 < dho> and the autistic
22:43 < skelterjohn> rbancroft: so you're saying that a human can always
determine whether or not a program will complete?
22:43 < dho> skelterjohn: yes, i can complete it by turning off the computer
:)
22:44 < skelterjohn> there are number sequences that people have yet to
prove if they converge to any value or not, for instance
22:44 < rbancroft> skelterjohn: no, just simply that a human always halts
eventually :)
22:44 < WalterMundt> I don't think a non-halting human has been proven
impossible
22:45 < skelterjohn> 2nd law of thermodynamics, or something
22:45 < WalterMundt> well, short of things like the heat death of the
universe anyway
22:45 < skelterjohn> there you go
22:45 < skelterjohn> all humans halt :)
22:45 < skelterjohn> (probably)
22:45 < WalterMundt> but then, we say all kinds of things are turing
complete that don't actually have unlimited memory and time to process
22:45 < skelterjohn> since the heat-death of the universe is a probabilistic
theory
22:45 < skelterjohn> it's just....really really likely
22:46 < dho> i wish that proofs and guarantees weren't so important
22:46 < skelterjohn> they aren't if you ignore them
22:46 < WalterMundt> Well, when I think about it, I wonder if, even once it
happens, there isn't a chance that the matter will unbalance itself enough to draw
together again
22:46 < dho> skelterjohn: that's also not true
22:46 < skelterjohn> important being a subjective measure, again
22:47 < dho> but it isn't.
22:47 < WalterMundt> but I'm not even a casual physics student, so I try not
to expose too much of my ignorance in such matters
22:47 < skelterjohn> WalterMundt: the idea is that once all particles stop
moving, they can never start again
22:47 < dho> until someone flicks the marble again
22:48 < WalterMundt> hmm.
22:48 < skelterjohn> as long as that someone isn't a particle, sure
22:48 * dho finds debates about things that nobody knows for sure mostly pointless
and uninteresting
22:48 < skelterjohn> hard to know something for sure if you don't start out
not knowing for sure
22:48 < WalterMundt> doesn't a non-moving universe imply the absence of
heat?  I thought the problem of thermodynamics is that the energy in the universe
is getting inexorably converted to heat and then spread out.
22:49 < skelterjohn> we're crossing the threshold of "i have a clue" here
22:50 < WalterMundt> okay, we can give dho a reprieve then I suppose
22:50 < rbancroft> scientific theories are generally discussed in laymans
terms as though they are proven true and cannot be wrong, however that is never
the case
22:50 < skelterjohn> rbancroft: certainly, since there are at least two
theories that can never be proven wrong
22:50 < skelterjohn> the western god, and the flying spaghetti monster
22:50 < WalterMundt> rbancroft: even so, oftentimes laypeople think they can
overturn well-established theory with a bit of heavily metaphor-influenced
armchair thought experimentation
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22:52 < rbancroft> WalterMundt: true.  the climate change debate is an
exhausting example of that
22:52 < WalterMundt> my comments above about thermodynamics would likely be
in that category if I was actually trying to say they were sufficiently informed
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22:54 < rbancroft> skelterjohn: well not even going there.  those aren't
scientific theories, just philosophical possibilities
22:55 < skelterjohn> the main difference is intent
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22:56 < dho> rbancroft: depends who you ask.
22:56 < dho> though probably not for the flying spaghetti monster.
22:59 < rbancroft> dho, well, for the most rational believers, imo, god is
untestable
22:59 < rbancroft> the less rational, well they have yet to produce any
solid evidence
22:59 < rbancroft> miracles and so forth
22:59 < skelterjohn> it's like string theory
22:59 < dho> it's burden of proof again
23:00 < dho> rbancroft: you have yet to produce any solid evidence contrary
to their claims as well
23:00 < dho> You can certainly believe in the Christian God and not accept
that the world is 4,000 years old or whatever
23:00 < rbancroft> dho: thats fine, but its not a scientific question
23:01 < dho> bleh
23:01 * dho does something useful and chews out qtvali
23:02 < WalterMundt> useful?
23:02 < WalterMundt> well, maybe it will help your blood pressure
23:02 < skelterjohn> theraputic, perhaps
23:02 < rbancroft> dho: I think it was dawkins who mentioned how the curtain
of ignorance has been moved farther back over the years
23:03 < rbancroft> dho: and god was always used to explain what couldn't
otherwise be explained
23:04 < rbancroft> he's always floating back there somewhere.  as our
knowledge increases, his use is more and more diminished
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23:06 < dho> skelterjohn: hence useful :)
23:06 < skelterjohn> not to me!  :)
23:08 < jhh> why is goyacc so c'ishly using no channels but rather loads of
global variables
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23:09 < skelterjohn> probably because it was a translation
23:09 < skelterjohn> easier to make sure it has no bugs if you just emulate
C code that you know works
23:09 < skelterjohn> i did that for a bunch of stuff in gomatrix :)
23:09 < dho> same reason that the roff port on plan 9 is unmaintainable
23:09 < dho> direct translation of pdp-11 asm to c
23:10 < dho> ..and it's roff
23:10 < skelterjohn> jhh: since you can actually grok LALR parsing, you
should make a more go-ish version of yacc ;)
23:11 < jhh> are you serious?
23:11 < skelterjohn> call it go compiler compiler (gcc).  I don't think that
name is taken yet.
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23:11 < skelterjohn> jhh: am I serious?  in that if you did, I'd think that
was great.  but no, i don't reasonably expect you to.
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23:13 < jhh> heh
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23:25 < WalterMundt> why port yacc to Go at all if it's just going to do the
same thing?
23:26 < skelterjohn> because they you can use go code with it
23:26 < skelterjohn> remember, yacc embeds C code in a compiler
23:26 < skelterjohn> goyacc does the same except it embeds go code
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23:30 < WalterMundt> I've usually written recursive descent parsers when I
need them because said generated code was just too ugly to integrate.  I used yacc
for a college course and never wanted to again.
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23:31 < skelterjohn> it's hard to beat yacc for efficient compilers
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23:31 < WalterMundt> *nods* granted, but that's rarely been a big part of my
objectives.  I'm certainly not arguing that it's useless
23:31 < skelterjohn> and if you're familiar enough with it, you can create a
compiler really quickly and know that it will be fast, to boot
23:34 < WalterMundt> *nods* I just couldn't get past the globals and
generally archaic conventions I guess
23:34 < skelterjohn> it's pretty old school
23:34 < WalterMundt> otoh, I did programming competitions and can whip up a
decent recursive descent parser in a day or two for a syntax that's amenable to
that parsing method
23:35 < skelterjohn> but it caught on, and it's too hard to make something
that is all of "as fast", "as easy to use" and "is as wide-spread"
23:35 < jhh> but recursive descend parsers are harder to maintain, are they
not?
23:35 < WalterMundt> they have plenty of disadvantages; for software you
plan to use and maintain over the long haul they're not an awesome choice
23:36 < skelterjohn> a recursive descent parser LL(k) is really easy to
write and understand, imo
23:36 < WalterMundt> I used javacc a time or two as well.  That takes some
inspiration from yacc but generated threadsafe OO code
23:36 < jhh> i had the same thought: i write a recursive descend parser
faster than i understand yacc
23:36 < WalterMundt> IIRC anyway, been awhile
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23:37 < WalterMundt> Does goyacc dispense with the prefixing?  One of the
things I like least about old-school C is the lack of namespacing
23:38 < WalterMundt> or rather, the emulation of namespaces by identifier
prefixes
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23:38 < skelterjohn> i got stopped with goyacc when i realized it didn't
come with a golex and I'd have to rewrite the tokenizer :)
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23:39 < WalterMundt> lol
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23:41 < plexdev> http://is.gd/5H9Us by [Robert Griesemer] in go/misc/xcode/
-- More Xcode support.
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23:46 < WalterMundt> huh, I doubt units.y will work
23:46 < WalterMundt> the embedded Go code didn't get updated for the
semicolon change
23:47 < skelterjohn> the removed semicolons don't cause errors if they're
there
23:47 < skelterjohn> they're just ignored
23:47 < WalterMundt> that doesn't necessarily mean old programs will work
23:47 < WalterMundt> this ine has type \n Var struct { ...
23:48 < WalterMundt> which will confuse the new parser because it will
inject a ; after the "type", no?
23:48 < skelterjohn> ah
23:48 < skelterjohn> um
23:48 < skelterjohn> i don't know the ; injection rules
23:48 < skelterjohn> only after certain kinds of elements
23:48 < skelterjohn> but that is certainly bad style and should be fixed
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23:48 < skelterjohn> easy way to get your name in the authors list if you
have the time :)
23:49 < WalterMundt> I might fix it up later, about to head out atm
23:49 < dho> i wonder when the next language is going to come out so that
all the whiny people will leave the list
23:52 < jhh> i could practice submitting something to the src dir with that
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23:56 < jhh> but units.y happens to work
23:57 < WalterMundt> okay, working is good
23:57 < WalterMundt> I wonder if keywords aren't in the auto-semicolon-able
class of things
23:58 < skelterjohn> i think it's an inclusory list, rather than an
exclusory one
23:58 < skelterjohn> it's in one of the ML posts
23:58 <+iant> it's also in the language spec
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