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00:08 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6yhki by [Russ Cox] in go/doc/ -- spec:
mention Inf and NaN are supported at run time.
00:08 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6yhkv by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/net/ -- net:
enable UDP broadcast before it is needed (instead of after)
00:08 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6yhl7 by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/reflect/ --
reflect: fix garbage collection bug in Call.
00:08 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6yhlO by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/gc/ -- gc:
be more specific about copy type errors
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00:24 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6yl7s by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/gc/ -- gc:
more precise handling of import .
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00:56 < trevor> I believe I've hit a bug in the runtime
00:56 < trevor> http://paste.lisp.org/display/93595
00:56 < trevor> If the "runtime.Gosched()" is commented out the for loop
never completes
00:57 < trevor> Basically the goroutine that f is on never "yields"
00:57 < trevor> Is this a known bug?
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01:07 < skelterjohn> trevor: not a bug
01:08 < skelterjohn> if you only have one process available, then f() will
never yield control
01:08 < skelterjohn> the for loop never completes in any case, though if
main() returns then it will get killed automatically
01:08 < trevor> I have two processors
01:08 < skelterjohn> calling Gosched() is one way to for a gorouting to
yield
01:08 < skelterjohn> ah, but what is GOMAXPROCS set to :)
01:08 < skelterjohn> (I bet it's 1)
01:08 < trevor> Look closer at the file
01:08 < skelterjohn> (1 is the default)
01:08 < skelterjohn> ah
01:08 < skelterjohn> hm
01:09 < trevor> "calling Gosched() is one way to for a gorouting to yield"
What is another way?
01:09 < skelterjohn> what is not happening that you expect to happen?
01:09 < skelterjohn> trevor: file IO, write/read a channel
01:09 < skelterjohn> system calls
01:09 < trevor> I expect the for loop in main to complete and the program to
quit
01:09 < trevor> I would expect this even if GOMAXPROCS is set to 1
01:10 < trevor> But definitely if GOMAXPROCS is set to 2
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01:10 < skelterjohn> maybe something about the GC thread?
01:10 < skelterjohn> i don't know - worth posting to the ML
01:10 < skelterjohn> I get the same behavior
01:10 < skelterjohn> also 2 procs, GOMAXPROCS=2
01:10 < trevor> I'm making an issue right now
01:11 < skelterjohn> I suggest an ML post first
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01:11 < trevor> Why?  It seems to be a bug to me
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01:12 < skelterjohn> *shrug*
01:12 < skelterjohn> do as you will
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01:20 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6yxwF by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/ -- gc:
bug243
01:20 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6yxwX by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/ -- gc:
multiple return value at top-level invoked multiple times
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01:34 < trevor> skelterjohn:
http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.go.general
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01:36 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6yALg by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/ -- gc:
bug245
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02:25 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6yKJJ by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/test/
-- add bug246 (issue 492)
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02:35 < Junior-Rus> Hello!
02:35 < goplexian> hey Junior!
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02:40 < happy_> hi
02:41 < Junior-Rus> Please, help me.  I'm a newbie at Go. Python has
"input()" and "raw_input()" functions.  Is there a similar function in Go?
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02:42 < Junior-Rus> P.S.^ I'm a newbie in programming too =)
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02:44 < happy_> Junior-Rus: what does input() do?
02:45 < Daminvar> reader := bufio.NewReader(os.Stdin); input :=
reader.ReadString('\n'); strings.TrimSpace(input);
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02:45 < Daminvar> That'll get you the string without an appended newline.
02:45 < Daminvar> You can convert to another type from there
02:45 < happy_> does go have a scanf?
02:46 < Junior-Rus> Daminvar: Thank you!
02:46 < Daminvar> Uh, no problem.  =)
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03:02 < happy_> how do I do something for each entry in a map?
03:02 < happy_> for example.  If I could get an array of the keys, that
would work
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03:08 <+iant> happy_: for k, v := range map
03:08 < happy_> iant: thanks
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05:13 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6zg7z by [Russ Cox] in go/ -- A+C: add Petar
Maymounkov (individual CLA)
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05:22 < goplexian> I sent a small patch in today just to fix up a tiny bit
of documentation, I'm wondering though if patches only really get applied when it
fixes issues in the issue tracker, or if non-issue patches are OK as well, does
anyone here know?
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05:31 <+iant> non-issue patches are OK as well
05:32 < goplexian> thats good
05:33 < goplexian> iant: is there someone inparticular I should CC for web
patches?
05:34 <+iant> probably r@golang.org, but for the language spec probably
gri@golang.org
05:35 < goplexian> ok thanks, next time
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05:59 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6znJT by [Russ Cox] in 3 subdirs of go/src/ --
build: move GOOS, GOARCH, GOROOT lookup into central library.
05:59 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6znK9 by [Petar Maymounkov] in 3 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/ -- Significant extension to http.Response, which now adheres to the
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11:03 < Tyroll> re
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11:28 < jhh> tip doesn't compile on my darwin anymore
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11:30 < jhh> weired
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11:50 < osaunders> I'm doing: n, err := os.Stdout.WriteString("Hello,
World!\n")
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11:51 < osaunders> and n is 14 and err.String() says there was a bus error.
11:51 < osaunders> But "Hello, world!\n" is being written just fine.
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14:31 < LuitvD> cworth: only now I realize that you're a contributor to
cairo-xcb :P
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14:49 < LuitvD> geez, this seems harder than I thought...
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15:28 < DonBensch> Hello, does anyone know what linux distro the go team
uses the most at google?
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15:35 <+iant> DonBensch: we mostly use Ubuntu
15:35 < DonBensch> ok cool, ty
15:35 <+iant> I run on Fedora from time to time
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15:59 < LuitvD> aargh, why is all this so hard!
16:01 < dho> ?
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16:01 < LuitvD> I've got my (small) cairo binding
16:01 < LuitvD> only to output some png files
16:02 < LuitvD> now I want it to show this cairo surface on screen
16:02 < LuitvD> and xcb, xgb, whatever is confusing
16:02 < dho> ah
16:03 < dho> most low-level x things are
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16:31 < kerozen> LuitvD: i'm very interested too, thanks for your feedbacks
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16:45 * rogpeppe regrets that the command-line flag syntax means that init-time
variables can't depend on flags.
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16:50 * uriel regrests that -stupid-gnu-style-verbose-flags are allowed :(
16:51 * uriel regrests that -stupid-gnu-style-verbose-flags are allowed :(
16:51 < sinuhe> uriel: s/-st/--st/
16:51 < sinuhe> :)
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16:55 * LuitvD doesn't care much for flags
16:55 < mpl> uriel: you need them, because some programs have more options
than the number of letters in the alphabet ;)
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16:56 < clip9> you mean --great-self-documenting-flags
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16:59 < uriel> mpl: excapt that any such prgrams are broken by design
16:59 < uriel> mpl: plus, last I checked Go supports unicode...
17:00 < rogpeppe> i don't mind the verbose flags much - at least the
interface is consistent and reasonably simple
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17:01 < rogpeppe> but it would be great to be able to do func init() {if
debugflag {set other debug stuff}}
17:02 < rogpeppe> as it is, for anything depending on command line flags,
you have to define another init function and call it, which seems a little
retrograde
17:03 < rogpeppe> and the only reason is that the ambiguity between "-flag x
y" and "-flag=x y"
17:03 < rogpeppe> s/ that//
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17:14 < LuitvD> don't think that cairo + xgb will work...
17:15 < LuitvD> cairo-xcb might, but that's not completely my intention...
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17:19 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6BzYm by [Russ Cox] in go/include/ -- libc:
add goos, goarch, goroot.  fixes build
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17:47 < goplexian> does the gosym pkg lack proper tests?
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17:48 < goplexian> I'm trying to package Go, and the packageris failing on
the gotest for pkg gosym
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17:49 < goplexian> pkg debug/gosym
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17:58 < LuitvD> cworth: enlighten me: does cairo directly connect to xcb
with cairo-xcb, or does it only need an xcb_connection_t* for Xserver info?
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18:00 < cworth> LuitvD: I don't think I understand the question.
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18:01 < cworth> LuitvD: Is xgb an implementation of XCB in Go?
18:02 < LuitvD> kind of
18:03 < LuitvD> how does cairo-xcb work?
18:03 < LuitvD> does it directly bind to the xcb connection you have and
make it's own calls?
18:03 < LuitvD> or what?
18:04 < LuitvD> with "cairo_xcb_surface_create()" you need to provide an
xcb_connection_t, xcb_drawable_t and xcb_visualtype_t
18:04 < LuitvD> what for?
18:06 < goplexian> anyone have any idea's about this?
18:06 < goplexian> cd debug/gosym && /BUILDROOT/google-go/gomake test
18:06 < goplexian> make[1]: Entering directory
`/BUILD/google-go/src/pkg/debug/gosym'
18:06 < goplexian> /BUILDROOT/google-go/gotest
18:06 < goplexian> sh: line 2: 6a: command not found
18:06 < goplexian> make[1]: *** [test] Error 1
18:06 < goplexian> make[1]: Leaving directory
`/BUILD/google-go/src/pkg/debug/gosym'
18:07 < goplexian> make: *** [debug/gosym.test] Error 2
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18:08 < cworth> LuitvD: Cairo-xcb makes calls directly to XCB functions,
(xcb_get_image, xcb_render_create_picture, xcb_render_composite_checked, etc.).
18:08 < LuitvD> goplexian: your assembler can't be found
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18:08 < LuitvD> goplexian: is $GOBIN in your path?
18:08 < LuitvD> (or $HOME/bin, if there's no $GOBIN)
18:09 < cworth> LuitvD: So you'll probably need Go bindings for a couple of
XCB functions, (to open the connection, and create a drawable).
18:10 < goplexian> LuitvD: it looks that is the problem from the error, but
I do not think that is actually the problem.
18:10 < LuitvD> cworth: hm...  that'll just NOT work, I guess...
18:10 < cworth> LuitvD: But after that, you should be able to share things
between your go-XCB and xgb, (since things like X drawable identifiers are just
integers).
18:10 < kfx> goplexian: if your shell can't find the assembler, that's
definitely a problem
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18:11 < LuitvD> goplexian: what do you get if you type just 6a in your
terminal?
18:13 < LuitvD> cworth: I just want Go to make a connection to the X server
with xgb, and get the cario binding to push information to xgb directly
18:13 < LuitvD> cworth: not through C
18:14 < LuitvD> cworth: or could I just share the connection between xgb and
XCB?
18:15 < cworth> LuitvD: Shared connection or separate connection doesn't
matter at all.
18:15 < cworth> LuitvD: You can't magically make cairo call go functions, of
course.  ;-)
18:15 < goplexian> LuitvD: in src/pkg/debug there are about 5 diretorys,
dwarf, elf, macho, proc, and gosym.  gotest runs fine and passes the tests for
dwarf, macho, and elf, and then fails when it gets to gosym.
18:16 < LuitvD> cworth: sure didn't expect cairo to call go functions
18:16 < LuitvD> cworth: but how do I do this practically?
18:16 < cworth> But, like I said, since all a Drawable (a Window or a
Pixmap) is on the wire is an integer, then you can definitely create XCB and an
xgb objects for the same Drawable and share things that way.
18:18 < cworth> LuitvD: What I don't know (and am looking for now) is
whether XCB gives you the function you need to create a new data structure given a
Drawable integer, (without sending protocol to ask the server to create a new
Window/Pixmap).
18:19 < cworth> LuitvD: I don't see anything obvious.  But I'm at a
conference today with Jamey Sharp, so I'll probe him a bit on what you're trying
to do.
18:20 < cworth> (Jamey being the person that has written most of XCB.)
18:21 < LuitvD> cworth: what would be the best way to get cairo's graphics
on my screen?
18:21 < LuitvD> from go?
18:21 < LuitvD> just ditch xgb and make cairo use it's standard Xlib or XCB
binding to create a window with graphics?
18:22 < LuitvD> or will I need the direct connection to the X server for,
for example, mouse and keyboard events and such?
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18:26 < LuitvD> cworth: different question: how does cairo use hardware
acceleration?
18:26 < LuitvD> only when using certain back-ends?
18:27 < LuitvD> or does it do OpenVG?
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18:30 < skelterjohn> I think the main first step we'd need is a really good
binding to openGL
18:30 < skelterjohn> then someone could come and make a nice new GUI system
on top of that
18:31 * skelterjohn checks cat-v for an opengl binding
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18:31 < skelterjohn> there is at least one - maybe i'll check it out at some
point
18:31 < skelterjohn> too busy right now though
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18:34 < goplexian> me no happy
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18:36 < skelterjohn> goplexian: ?
18:37 < goplexian> oh just learning the joys of building packages
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18:37 < Luit> my connection just wandered off...
18:38 < Luit> cworth: I didn't catch anything after you told me Jamey wrote
most of XCB)
18:38 < Luit> cworth: did any messages from me come through after that, and
did I miss any?
18:38 < dho> 13:30 < LuitvD> or does it do OpenVG?
18:39 < Luit> oh, right
18:40 < Luit> 4 messages before that my connection was already lagging like
hell
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18:41 < Luit> HA!
18:41 < LuitvD> beat that, ghost
18:46 < goplexian> woot!  \o/
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18:51 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6BU3a by [Russ Cox] in 5 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/ -- hash: document that Sum does not change hash state
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18:51 < Luit> this stupid ghost keeps coming back
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18:52 < Luit> AND STAY AWAY THIS TIME, GHOST!
18:53 < goplexian> just for the record, gosym doesn't have any trouble, I
think probably I just ran the build script a dozen to many times and something got
weird, I grabed fresh sources and it works as it should
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18:54 < goplexian> one things for sure though, fast compile times certain
when building a package
18:54 < goplexian> certainly help*
18:55 < LuitvD> :)
18:56 < LuitvD> fast builds always help, everything
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18:59 < ntome> hi
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19:00 < ntome> when doing some "listener, err := net.ListenTCP(...)", how do
I "test" err ?
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19:01 < LuitvD> if err != nil {}
19:01 < LuitvD> for example
19:02 < ntome> LuitvD: I thought it was a "value", no pointer
19:02 < ntome> the documentation says it's an interface
19:02 < KirkMcDonald> ntome: And interfaces may be nil.
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19:03 < ntome> KirkMcDonald: ok, the tutorial didn't mention that
19:03 < ntome> thanks
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19:04 < ntome> is there a way to make the compiler less stubborn when it
comes to unused imports or vars ?
19:04 < dho> import _ "unused"
19:04 < ntome> make it a warning, not an error
19:04 < ntome> dho: same for vars ?
19:04 < dho> no
19:04 < dho> comment those out.
19:05 < ntome> damn
19:05 < ntome> er, in fact it's the same for vars
19:06 < ntome> thanks
19:06 < dho> is it?  good to know
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19:11 < skelterjohn> there are no warnings in go
19:11 < skelterjohn> this is on purpose
19:12 < skelterjohn> you can do the same for vars too
19:12 < skelterjohn> "_ = 5" compiles
19:12 < skelterjohn> import _ "unused" <- shouldn't do this - it still
links unused and executes its init() method
19:13 < skelterjohn> you should just comment out an import you don't want
19:13 < skelterjohn> typing // is nearly as easy as _
19:13 < skelterjohn> same number of keys anyway
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19:18 < ntome> needs multiline imports
19:19 < skelterjohn> ?
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19:19 < skelterjohn> well, i suppose if you do: import ("a";"b")
19:19 < skelterjohn> that could have problems
19:19 < ntome> yeah
19:19 < skelterjohn> don't do it that way though :) gofmt will separate it
for you
19:20 < ntome> cannot a TCPListener be cast to interface Listener?
19:21 < badsect_r> is there an eclipse plugin for go?  Or at least a syntax
highlighting file for gedit?
19:21 < skelterjohn> ntome: what's the relevant package?
19:21 < skelterjohn> badsect_r: yes to both
19:21 < ntome> skelterjohn: net
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19:21 < skelterjohn> badsect_r: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/text-editors/
19:21 < badsect_r> skelterjohn, awesome.  Where?  :-)
19:21 < badsect_r> thanks
19:22 < skelterjohn> TCPListener has no Listen method
19:22 < skelterjohn> unless it is from a super-struct
19:22 < ntome> skelterjohn: nor does Listener
19:22 < ntome> http://golang.org/pkg/net/#Listener
19:22 < skelterjohn> http://golang.org/pkg/net/#Listener
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19:22 < skelterjohn> yes it does
19:22 < ntome> I see 3
19:22 < ntome> Accept, Close, Addr
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19:22 < skelterjohn> oh wait
19:22 < skelterjohn> i'm misreading
19:22 < skelterjohn> sorry
19:23 < ntome> (yeah the doc is not too easy to read :) )
19:23 < skelterjohn> a *TCPListener can be cast to a Listener interface
19:23 < skelterjohn> not a TCPListener though
19:23 < skelterjohn> that might be the problem
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19:24 < ntome> trying
19:24 < LuitvD> DAMN IT!!!
19:24 < dho> tcpl.(Listener)
19:24 < dho> is how you cast interfaces
19:24 < skelterjohn> dho: going from the struct to the interface here, I
think
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19:24 < skelterjohn> var l Listener = &myTCPListener
19:24 < ntome> dho: no, i want to cast TO interface, not from
19:24 < LuitvD> my home network is now completely isolated from the internet
19:24 < dho> ah.
19:25 < skelterjohn> LuitvD: I disagree
19:25 < skelterjohn> unless I am somehow on your home network
19:25 < skelterjohn> or are you not home
19:25 < skelterjohn> that could also explain it
19:25 < LuitvD> this is my mobile phone I'm chatting with
19:25 < ntome> ok, my struct had a *net.Listener field
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19:26 < ntome> if I put a net.Listener in, won't it copy the TCPListener ?
19:26 < skelterjohn> i don't understand the question
19:26 < skelterjohn> when you say a *net.Listener field, is it named?
19:26 < ntome> yes
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19:27 < Luit> ah, there's my home network's internet connection again
19:27 < ntome> but it won't cast *TCPListener to *Listener
19:27 < skelterjohn> what do you mean, "won't it copy the TCPListener"?
19:27 < ntome> it will cast *TCPListener to Listener
19:27 < skelterjohn> right
19:27 < skelterjohn> that makes sense
19:27 < ntome> but doing this, it will copy, right ?
19:27 < skelterjohn> uh
19:27 < LuitvD> let's see
19:27 < skelterjohn> I don't see how adding a variable, of any sort, would
change this
19:28 < skelterjohn> but it could be I don't have all the context
19:28 < ntome> I did not add a variable
19:28 < ntome> I'll pastebin if you want
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19:29 < ntome> http://codepad.org/Y04MRdDf
19:29 < ntome> (I'm doing the tutorial exercises)
19:30 < ntome> it's in CreateServer
19:30 < skelterjohn> what's the error?
19:31 < skelterjohn> code looks reasonable to me at first glance
19:31 < skelterjohn> compile-wise
19:31 < ntome> here, there's no error, but the idea there is a copy of the
listen bothers my mind :)
19:31 < ntome> listener*
19:31 < skelterjohn> listener is a TCPListener*
19:31 < skelterjohn> or *TCPListener, I mean, in go-speak
19:32 < skelterjohn> so you're just copying a pointer
19:32 < ntome> when putting it in the struct, there is a copy?
19:32 < skelterjohn> of the pointer
19:32 < skelterjohn> not of the underlying object
19:32 < skelterjohn> that is never copied
19:32 < ntome> that's not what I understood from the tutorial
19:33 < ntome> it repeated interfaces were not pointers but values
19:33 < skelterjohn> the net.Listener is an interface, which only wraps what
implements it (in this case a *TCPListener)
19:33 < skelterjohn> yeah - it's a value of a *TCPListener :)
19:33 < skelterjohn> *TCPListener is what implements tha tinterface
19:33 < skelterjohn> not TCPListener
19:33 < ntome> ah
19:33 < skelterjohn> if you look at the receiver methods for Addr, etc
19:34 < skelterjohn> they have a *TCPListener receiver type
19:34 < ntome> I think I'm starting to understand
19:34 < skelterjohn> so that's what implements it
19:34 < skelterjohn> this kind of thing caught me up at first, when i was
learning go
19:34 < skelterjohn> but it all makes sense
19:34 < ntome> ok, there was a confusion between pointer receivers and
direct receivers
19:34 < skelterjohn> sure
19:35 < skelterjohn> you *could* have a func (TCPListener) Addr(whatever)
19:35 < skelterjohn> and then that *would* copy the whole TCPListener object
19:35 < skelterjohn> i think
19:35 < ntome> the tutorial said that
19:36 < skelterjohn> i sorta feel like the interface would have to only
store a pointer, because when you pass the interface around the compiler doesn't
know the underlying type
19:36 < skelterjohn> and would only provide code to copy the known-size type
pointer
19:36 < ntome> but the interface doesn't know if it's *TCPListener that
implements, or TCPListener
19:37 < skelterjohn> ntome: right, but when you instantiate the interface,
you pass it a *TCPListener.  if you tried to pass it a TCPListener, the compiler
would puke since TCPListener doesn't implement Listner
19:37 < skelterjohn> Listener
19:37 < Luit> Let's just keep this (my mobile) on for when my home network
disconnects again
19:37 < ntome> hum, gtg, I'll be back in an hour or two, thanks for
enlightening me skelterjohn :)
19:37 < skelterjohn> np
19:38 < LuitvD> ugh, I hate this network trouble
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19:41 < LuitvD> sharing a single ADSL connection with over 20 people is a
bit too much without enterprise-grade load-balancing on the router and switches
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19:42 < skelterjohn> that's why i'm a hermit
19:42 < LuitvD> it only works when either everyone's out for the day, or
everyone knows what they can do with this connection (or actually, what they
can't)
19:43 * LuitvD looks at people not capping their torrent upload rate and
connection rates
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20:33 < keesj> is cgo required to create a working go runtime?
20:33 < skelterjohn> runtime package is written mostly in C
20:33 < skelterjohn> so I think so
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20:36 < keesj> I didn't see so much C code yet.  also I was under the
impression code genetated did not depend on for example libc
20:36 < keesj> (can't really look but the files generate are staticly linked
and not that big)
20:37 < skelterjohn> I have no experience with cgo, sorry
20:37 < keesj> no problem !
20:37 < skelterjohn> pinging dho, he knows about this kind of stuff
20:38 <+iant> cgo is not needed for the Go runtime, it's only needed if you
want to link against external libraries
20:38 < skelterjohn> iant: is all the C code in runtime built in a special
way, then?
20:39 <+iant> yes, it's built with 6c, a C compiler equivalent to 6g
20:39 < skelterjohn> oh - does that mean if you compile your C code with 6c,
you don't have to use cgo?
20:39 <+iant> yes
20:39 < skelterjohn> interesting
20:39 <+iant> but 6c doesn't know how to read all the /usr/include headers
20:39 < skelterjohn> though i suppose that doesn't help for making existing
library bindings
20:40 <+iant> right
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20:42 < dho> pong
20:42 < skelterjohn> sorry - iant answered the relevant questions :)
20:42 < dho> not all
20:42 < dho> you can't just call 6c-generated code from go
20:43 < dho> You still have to name it in the mangled fashion
(package-middledot-function)
20:43 < dho> And you still need to provide an exports.go
20:43 < skelterjohn> ah interesting
20:43 < dho> runtime is a *great* example of how to make C and go code
interoperate
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20:43 < skelterjohn> can you even use the dot in regular gcc compiled c
code?
20:44 < skelterjohn> or is that a plan9-ism
20:44 < keesj> I am trying to make a package for maemo containing the
compiler and such.  The maemo sdk contains a qemu who doens't like the generated
arm code
20:44 < dho> if it reads utf, sure
20:44 < dho> i dunno
20:44 < skelterjohn> well, it might be able to read utf but not allow that
as an identifier name
20:44 <+iant> skelterjohn: you can't use the dot in gcc compiled code; you
have to use an asm redeclaration
20:44 < skelterjohn> eek
20:44 < dho> another confusing bit is that the files called e.g.  malloc.cgo
or semaphore.cgo etc are not actually used with cgo
20:44 <+iant> yeah, that is kind of weak
20:45 <+iant> but cgo2c came first
20:45 < dho> They pass through a utility to translate a hybrid c/go source
into c.
20:45 < dho> that cgo2c yeah
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20:45 < dho> ideally, nobody's looking into the runtime anyway
20:45 < dho> well, not ideally, but theoretically
20:45 < skelterjohn> I'm certainly not
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20:46 < skelterjohn> i ain't no hacker
20:46 < dho> but if you're just skimming over the contents of the source
tree, it's kind of odd.
20:46 < dho> keesj: unfortunately, all my arm experience is StrongARM
20:46 < dho> so i doubt i'm of much help
20:47 < dho> but I believe the ARM code generated is arm5, and big-endian
20:47 < keesj> the code runs well on the N900't cortex-a8 but not on the
Sheeva's plug (arm9) for example
20:47 < dho> i may be wrong.  kaib can tell you more
20:47 < ntome> skelterjohn: thinking during my meal, I think I fully
understood the interface stuff :)
20:47 < keesj> probably all little-endian just like the x86 machines
20:48 < skelterjohn> ntome: hehe excellent
20:48 < skelterjohn> ntome: it's a bit tough to grok at first not because
it's complicated, but because it's different
20:48 < skelterjohn> i think it's a good way to do things though
20:48 < dho> keesj: in any case, my recollection is that only one endianness
is supported
20:49 < dho> i thought it was big-endian, because the nslu2 doesn't work and
i thought that was little endian
20:49 < dho> but i guess i'm backwards
20:49 * skelterjohn thinks everyone should be the same endian
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20:49 < ntome> skelterjohn: hehe yeah
20:49 < keesj> indeed and everybody should start counting from 0 and not 1
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20:50 < skelterjohn> well that's just silly
20:50 < skelterjohn> counting from zero is an artifact of how array memory
is laid out.  nothing fundamental about that
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20:53 < keesj> I don't know.  it's a source of errrors :p
20:53 < ntome> well, it seems we can't do "if something \n { ...  }", you
have to put the opening brace on the same line
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20:54 < skelterjohn> ntome: that's right
20:54 < keesj> ntome: it also written here in the second paragraph .it might
be a good read ! http://golang.org/doc/go_tutorial.html
20:55 < ntome> keesj: I read the pdf tutorials
20:56 < skelterjohn> that web page is kept a bit more up to date
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21:08 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6ClOU by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/ld/ -- ld:
unused variable
21:08 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6ClP0 by [Russ Cox] in
go/src/pkg/compress/zlib/ -- compress/zlib: add example to doc comment
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21:12 < ntome> http://golang.org/pkg/regexp/ oh the engine is so poor :(
21:13 < skelterjohn> ntome: why do you say that?
21:14 < ntome> well, other regex engine propose many more features
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21:18 < imsplitbit> I thought I saw a PCRE go pkg somewhere out there on the
web
21:20 < ntome> oooh nice
21:20 < skelterjohn> http://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp1.html <- why go
doesn't use PCRE
21:21 < imsplitbit> http://github.com/jteeuwen/go-pkg-pcre
21:21 < imsplitbit> I haven't used it so I cannot say how good or bad it is
21:21 < imsplitbit> but if the builtin doesn't suit you then start there and
make it better
21:22 < ntome> skelterjohn: the case described is a case that doesn't happen
often i guess
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21:27 < skelterjohn> I'm not really an expert on what people like to do with
regexps, but I believe one thing you can't do with the stuff described in the link
I posted is put callbacks in, which you can do with PCRE?
21:28 < skelterjohn> this is just me trying to remember things that were
said in this chatroom a month or so ago :)
21:29 < ntome> no, there are lookaheads, backreferences, and more
21:29 < skelterjohn> "one thing", not "the only thing" :)
21:29 < skelterjohn> or do you mean you can do that stuff with the DFA?
21:29 < ntome> ok
21:30 < ntome> ah, misread
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22:16 < jhh> ever seen something like that?  http://pastebin.com/m4feb0c06
22:17 < jhh> looks like exp/draw/x11 is too old?
22:18 < jhh> make install didn't rebuild the .6 file
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22:20 < dho> exp doesn't get built
22:20 < dho> you have to build those manually if you'd like to use them
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22:38 < jhh> weird thing was 'make install' in src/pkg/exp/draw/x11 didn't
rebuild it, only installed it
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22:43 < skelterjohn> needs gb ;)
22:43 < keesj> gb?
22:44 < skelterjohn> a go builder project that jhh, dho and I had been
discussing at one point.  I don't know the current status.
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22:49 < keesj> I am still very new to go but I have currently two little
project in mind
22:49 < keesj> none relate to building a builder :p
22:49 < keesj> I am thinking of a small init process for in a iniramdisk and
some app using the framebuffer
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22:50 < keesj> anybody going to FOSDEM btw?
22:51 < skelterjohn> what's FOSDEM?
22:53 < mpl> skelterjohn: http://fosdem.org/2010/
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22:57 < keesj> it's a pretty nice developers oriented conference in Belgium
22:57 < ntome> a set of conference
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23:17 < keesj> well 700k for hello it a big large to start the init project
:p
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23:25 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6CM1y by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/ -- gc:
const debug bool = false
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