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00:03 < skelterjohn> keesj: For now, all linking is static.  Unless you're
using gccgo, and then I'm not really familiar with how things work.
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00:23 < goplexian> I'm starting to think there really is something wrong
with pkg/debug/gosym, the second time to day I've started getting gotest errors.
00:24 < goplexian> saying 6a: command not found
00:25 < goplexian> make: *** [debug/gosym.test] Error 2
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01:45 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6Df7h by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/time/ --
time: make tick.Stop a little more robust
01:45 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6Df7E by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/http/ --
http: handle old HTTP/1.0 unchunked "read to EOF" bodies.
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03:16 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6DwaZ by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/netchan/ --
first part of networked channels.
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04:03 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6DExE by [Ken Thompson] in go/src/cmd/6g/ --
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05:19 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6DRLA by [Ian Lance Taylor] in go/test/ken/ --
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05:19 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6DRLI by [Russ Cox] in
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Locks until needed
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05:36 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6DUsS by [Russ Cox] in 10 subdirs of
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08:27 < scarabza> greetings all - i have a quick question regarding go.
what is the idea behind go, is it an alternative to C/Java, or would it be more
comparable to Ruby?
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08:27 < Iszak> has Go got a GUI library yet?
08:28 < Iszak> for windows.
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08:33 < res> scarabza: C/java?
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08:45 < scarabza> res: i guess what i'm asking is go aimed at the same user
space as C and/or Java?
08:47 < tanamo> C
08:48 < res> i wouldnt compare c to java in any situation, much less depict
them as similar
08:48 < res> id say it has the extensability of c++ but a much cleaner
syntax
08:48 < res> in many ways its just perfect
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08:52 < scarabza> res: understood.  :) so in your mind it could be used for
low level development as with C? ie: game and operating system development
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08:53 < res> scarabza: eventually, id say so.  atm c has better performance
though
08:54 < Iszak> when ca we except a GUI :(
08:55 < Iszak> can*
08:55 < Iszak> I hate wireless keyboards :(
08:55 < tanamo> Iszak, there's a gtk+ binding, im not sure if it's already
complete though
08:56 < Iszak> hmm
08:56 < Iszak> i'd rather it be native to go tho
08:56 < tanamo> http://github.com/mattn/go-gtk
08:56 < antarus> native how?
08:56 < vsmatck> It wouldn't be a good idea to rewrite gtk in go.  That'd be
duplication of work.  A waste of time.
08:56 < tanamo> use that first for the mean time...
08:56 < antarus> why would anyone write a whole toolkit in go when you can
write bindings to C ;)
08:57 < tanamo> just for fun i guess...  hehe
08:57 < Iszak> ...because it'd be faster?  more compatible?
08:57 < antarus> more compatable with what?
08:57 < Iszak> go I guess?
08:57 < res> w/go
08:58 < res> /dev/draw in go please
08:58 < Iszak> I mean I know it'd be like reinventing the wheel, but Java
did it :P didn't they?
08:58 < antarus> well I think thats moreso how well the bindings are written
08:58 < antarus> Java had Sun
08:58 < tanamo> but java gui is slow right?
08:58 < res> tanamo: yea
08:58 < res> as is java as a whole
08:58 < ashaw> are unions on the cards for go?
08:58 < Iszak> that's not fair res :P
08:58 < res> Iszak: it runs in a vm, so true
08:59 < Iszak> i know but it's not /that/ bad.
08:59 < Iszak> i mean it can't be that slow to be used on mobiles.
08:59 < Iszak> and yes I know the mobile edition is strip downed
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09:00 < Iszak> atleast you'd think it would be..
09:00 < tanamo> a true go gui wouldnt be possible, as long as X and Windows
graphics are written in c/c++
09:00 < ashaw> yeah.
09:01 < Iszak> well then the next best thing would to have bindings to
winforms etc.
09:01 < Iszak> right?
09:01 < ashaw> I was just thinking that.
09:02 < Iszak> aha :P
09:02 < res> im looking forward to chrome os and go integration
09:02 < Iszak> unless you're on a power pc chrome os is a piece of crap?  :P
09:02 < Iszak> isn't chrome os meant to be a lightweight operating system
where everything is based around the browser?
09:02 < res> yea
09:03 < Iszak> not power pc..
09:03 < Iszak> netbook
09:03 < Iszak> i mean yes it's cool - but not really a real operating
system, we're programmers god damn it.
09:03 < ashaw> I have a question on go programming, could someone help me?
09:04 < Iszak> don't ask to ask, just ask :P
09:04 < ashaw> I am trying to write some software and was wondering, how one
treat a float 64 like an int64
09:04 < ashaw> *how does*
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09:05 < vegai> ashaw: you mean how does one convert a float64 to int64?
09:05 < vegai> iirc go doesn't do casting
09:05 < Iszak> err what?
09:05 < Iszak> wait maybe I'm confused - you mean type casting?
09:05 < vegai> yes, that one
09:05 < ashaw> no, I mean get access to the bit representation of a float64
as an int64
09:06 < vegai> oh
09:06 < Iszak> vegai: I thought you were saying Google Go has dynamic types
:P I was thinking - wouldn't that make it MUCH slower.
09:07 < vegai> ashaw: perhaps in here: http://golang.org/pkg/math/
09:07 < vegai> dynamic typing isn't that slow these days...  if done
properly
09:08 < Iszak> it's javascript really slow because of it?
09:08 < vegai> no
09:08 < Iszak> i swear it is.
09:08 < Iszak> i mean not JS as a whole.
09:08 < Iszak> let me find it.
09:08 < res> its slow because ot has java on the name ;)
09:09 < res> ot/it
09:09 < Iszak> aha
09:09 < Iszak> that was just marketing.
09:09 < vsmatck> I like Dan Ingalls explanation of the slowness of
javascript interpreters.  He says it's just that no one writing those interpreters
imagined that people would be running complex web applications on them.
09:09 < vsmatck> Some of the new javascript interpreters are much faster.
Like google v8.
09:09 < res> yea and opera's new engine is even faster
09:10 < Iszak> tracemoneyk
09:10 < Iszak> tracemonkey*
09:10 < Iszak> fuck I hate wireless keyboards.
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09:17 < ashaw> sorry I went away, but I cannot see a function that does that
in pkg/math
09:17 < ashaw> sorry yes I can
09:18 < vegai> first I was like "wuuhhaaa?" and then I was like "oh"
09:18 < ashaw> float64bits is it?
09:19 < ashaw> is that optimised, as it should in principal be very fast,
but in practise it could be slow?
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13:38 < ashaw> is float64bits optimised
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13:38 < ashaw> is float64bits optimised?
13:40 < uriel> define 'optimised'
13:40 < uriel> btw, this is awesome:
http://code.google.com/p/go/source/detail?r=7fc553c812
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13:42 < ashaw> one machine instruction or free.
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13:42 < uriel> why don't you look at the generated code?
13:43 < uriel> anyway, if you have a performance issue, there is only one
way to deal with it: *PROFILE, don't guess*!
13:43 < ashaw> do you know a good dissasembler for linux?
13:43 < vegai> func Float64bits(f float64) uint64 { return
*(*uint64)(unsafe.Pointer(&f)) }
13:44 < vegai> or just look at the source code, perhaps ...
13:44 < ashaw> I know that, I was wondering if the compiler optimises this
case?
13:44 < ashaw> I did look at this function
13:44 < vegai> ah, good
13:45 < vegai> well...  like uriel said then, I guess
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13:46 < ashaw> I am porting a math library to go, and I need this, and low
overhead in-lining for it to be feasable
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13:47 < ashaw> it would be so useful if there was simple preproscessor macro
support
13:48 < ashaw> it would be so useful if there was simple preproscessor macro
support
13:48 < ashaw> limited so that there is no inter header file dependancies
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13:50 < ashaw> this should not slow down compilation that much, and it would
only slow down code that used it.
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13:51 < ashaw> uriel, are you here?
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14:01 < uriel> no
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15:39 < rogpeppe> ashaw: if you want a preprocessor, run your code through
cpp :-)
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15:47 < XenoPhoenix> say I had a Vector of objects implementting the Obj
interface, how would i cast the result of calling the Data() Method on the vector
which returns a slice, into []Obj?
15:47 < XenoPhoenix> help would be appreciated :)
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15:54 < vegai> go doesn't have casts
15:55 < XenoPhoenix> well surely there must be some way to abstract it to a
[]Obj slice?
15:56 < XenoPhoenix> as otherwise you'd never be able to do anything with an
object in a Vector
15:56 < vegai> hmm, I wish there was an api search
15:59 <+iant> you can't convert []interface{} to []Obj, as the types are not
compatible
15:59 <+iant> you have to cast it as you need the element
15:59 <+iant> v.At(1).(Obj)
16:00 < XenoPhoenix> ah fair enough
16:00 < XenoPhoenix> will be good if go implements some form of generics at
somepoint :)
16:00 <+iant> yes
16:02 < vegai> ah, didn't know about that
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16:02 < XenoPhoenix> thanks for your help iant
16:06 < vegai> I suppose it's not a cast technically, though, but a
conversion
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16:06 < skelterjohn> morning
16:06 < vegai> the distinction is super important, is it not :P
16:06 < vegai> howdy
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16:10 < skelterjohn> distinction from what, afternoon?
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16:15 < vegai> skelterjohn: casts and conversions...
16:16 < skelterjohn> oh - something that was said shortly before I joined?
16:16 < skelterjohn> I thought you were replying to me
16:17 < skelterjohn> I agree.  casts and conversions are different.
16:20 < XenoPhoenix> yeah they are different
16:21 < XenoPhoenix> one assumes compatibility, one enforces it
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16:30 < skelterjohn> more accurately...  a cast is a relabeling of an
existing object
16:31 < skelterjohn> a conversion creates a new object with the new label
using the old object as a reference
16:31 < skelterjohn> and i don't mean pointer-style reference.  just the
english language word.
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16:36 < skelterjohn> well I suppose that could vary depending on the
language
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16:58 < XenoPhoenix> has any one here had much experiance constructing a
Builder object for the json parser interface?
16:59 < XenoPhoenix> I'm encoutering some strange behaviour which i'm not
sure how to get around
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17:01 < skelterjohn> I don't even really know what json is :\
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17:03 < dho> XenoPhoenix: no, but even if i did, i wouldn't be able to help
without having a question asked
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17:03 < dho> (and it might be something people could answer without having
experience with it)
17:03 < dho> don't ask to ask, just ask.
17:04 < skelterjohn> try saying that ten times fast
17:04 < jhh> ask is a strange word indeed
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17:05 < XenoPhoenix> heh, well it something quite specific, an possible long
winded to explain, just bear with me i'm just checking to see if it's something
stupid i've done
17:06 < skelterjohn> even if it is something specific, we have strong
google-fu
17:10 < XenoPhoenix> right: http://pastebin.ca/1759139
17:10 < skelterjohn> that's definitely some go code
17:10 < XenoPhoenix> basically this is the code for a sub builder, which
handles creation of a specific object from a json input
17:11 < XenoPhoenix> now when it encounters a key, which it stores the value
of the key and then when it recieves the value, it puts it in it's iternal data
for the correct property
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17:11 < XenoPhoenix> you can see that type is set inside the String(s
string) method when encountered
17:12 < XenoPhoenix> if I trace here, I can see that it is the correct value
and that it is being set
17:13 < XenoPhoenix> however, when I try and read this in the Flush Method
(counting flushes to ensure we only execute on the final flush before this Builder
is abandoned) it is at a default value of an empty string
17:13 < XenoPhoenix> and all the other properties are at default values too
17:13 < skelterjohn> your method receiver is not a pointer
17:13 < XenoPhoenix> this didn't happen when I use a similar builder for
another sub object
17:13 < skelterjohn> whatever happens to ob in that method won't be
reflected outside the method
17:14 < skelterjohn> make the receiver type *objectBuilder
17:14 < skelterjohn> for all of those methods
17:14 < jhh> sharp eye
17:14 < skelterjohn> otherwise when you call the method, it makes a copy of
the object builder, acts on that, and then throws out the copy
17:15 < skelterjohn> jhh: only because i've had this discussion before with
someone else :)
17:15 < XenoPhoenix> hahah I told you I would have done something stupid :P
17:15 < XenoPhoenix> been coding too much today :P
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17:15 < XenoPhoenix> thx guys
17:15 < skelterjohn> not stupid.
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17:16 < skelterjohn> the fact that calling a method with receiver type (*a)
and type (a) looks the same when you invoke it on an object of type "a" is
confusing, to me
17:16 < XenoPhoenix> well its careless consdiering all my other objects are
ok!  ah well solved now :)
17:17 < jhh> do you understand why that causes working on a copy?
17:17 < skelterjohn> if you have "func (a *A) foo() {...}" and "func (a A)
foo() {...}", what happens with "var a A = ...; a.foo()"?
17:17 < XenoPhoenix> jhh Yeah I understand, I just completely missed that
i'd not made them pointers
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17:18 < jhh> I mean, I know that behaviour, but I don't udnerstand why it
has to be like that
17:18 < XenoPhoenix> skelterjohn: Surely it will slap your for having too
methods with teh same name?
17:18 < skelterjohn> you can have methods with the same name and different
receivers
17:18 < skelterjohn> for instance, if you want to ahve two different structs
implement the same interface, this is required
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17:19 < XenoPhoenix> now that's interesting, now I've change them over it's
saying that my objectBuilder is not implementing json.Builder, "missing Int64(i
int64)"
17:19 < skelterjohn> but you're right
17:20 < skelterjohn> won't let me redeclare it....
17:20 < XenoPhoenix> func (ob *objectBuilder) Int64(i int64) {
ob.Float64(float64(i));
17:20 < XenoPhoenix> }it is there ^^
17:20 < skelterjohn> objectBuilder doesn't implement it.  but *objectBuilder
does :)
17:20 < skelterjohn> in your assignment, you need to do &ob, etc
17:20 < XenoPhoenix> oh gah it's going to be one of those days isn't it
17:20 * XenoPhoenix goes off hunting references
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17:21 < skelterjohn> So, to report, I can have "func (a A) foo()" and "func
(b B) foo()", but not also "func (a *A) foo()"
17:22 < skelterjohn> not sure i like that
17:22 < XenoPhoenix> yeah that's as I suspected
17:22 < skelterjohn> I'd much rather have a.foo() invoke func(a A) foo()
17:22 < XenoPhoenix> I did wonder what's goign to happend in the case where
you have two different interfaces both with a method of the same name and you want
to implement both of them on the same object...
17:22 < skelterjohn> and a->foo() invoke func (a *A) foo()
17:23 < skelterjohn> XenoPhoenix: that is no problem, that just works
17:23 < skelterjohn> the object satisfies both interfaces, so you can label
it with either one
17:23 < XenoPhoenix> really?  even if both the methods have the same name
and different signatures?
17:23 < skelterjohn> wait
17:24 < skelterjohn> oh different parameter lists
17:24 < XenoPhoenix> yar
17:24 < skelterjohn> in that case, no, it can only do one
17:24 < skelterjohn> if they have the same parameter list, it can do both
17:24 < XenoPhoenix> see that strikes me as a flaw
17:24 < skelterjohn> lack of function overloading is discussed in the FAQ
17:25 < skelterjohn> i disagree, too, but i like the fact that they go for
"streamlined" instead of "feature-rich"
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17:26 < jhh> http://pastebin.com/m3022c415
17:27 < jhh> trying to understand why one would want to copy the object the
method is being called on
17:27 < skelterjohn> it's more like, why limit it to only allowing pointers?
17:28 < jhh> yeah but why does not using a pointer mean working on a *copy*
17:28 < skelterjohn> you have pointers and you have copies
17:28 < skelterjohn> what other choice is there?
17:28 < jhh> true
17:28 < skelterjohn> aside from an
under-the-hood-pointer-that-looks-like-a-value
17:29 < jhh> oop taught my mind a weired way of thinking I come to notice
17:29 < skelterjohn> but reference types can be confusing in C++, imo.
17:30 < jhh> "a = b" means copying b into a, why should it be different with
b.foo()...
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17:31 < jhh> i don't really know if that's straight
17:31 < skelterjohn> i don't see any inconsistencies with having non-pointer
receiver types
17:32 < skelterjohn> i think of "func (a A) foo(b B) {...}" as some sugar
for "func foo(a A, b B) {...}"
17:32 < skelterjohn> my irc client turns B) into a lame sunglasses wearing
smiley
17:32 < jhh> a.foo means i want foo to operate on a, right?  if i want to
operate on a copy, i operate on a copy.
17:32 < skelterjohn> a.foo() is sugar for foo(a) :)
17:33 < jhh> hmkay
17:33 < jhh> but it's also namespacing
17:33 < jhh> (ummm)
17:33 < skelterjohn> now, there are differences between reality and what i'm
saying
17:33 < mpl> skelterjohn: I think "lame" could also apply to your irc client
:)
17:33 < skelterjohn> like function overloading...if it was just sugar we
couldn't ahve func (a A) foo() and func (b B) foo()
17:34 < skelterjohn> so it's just a way that i think about it to get things
straight in my head
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17:35 < jhh> only if i think about the realization it's getting consistent
17:37 < jhh> if i think about stuff on the stack, it's clear, but if i just
stare at a function, i'm not really convinced
17:37 < skelterjohn> I don't think many functions get written that have
non-pointer receiver types
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17:39 < skelterjohn> i wish "width" and "height" had the same number of
letters
17:39 < skelterjohn> then my GUI code would be better aligned
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17:46 < skelterjohn> tried to turn dumb smilies off...  B)
17:46 < skelterjohn> excellent.
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18:00 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6Gdmc by [Russ Cox] in go/lib/codereview/ --
codereview: accommodate recent change to ui.prompt
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18:49 < goplexian> question, I'm getting an error saying 6g cant find import
go/parser, I've moved my GOROOT directory, but I've pointed $GOROOT to the new
location, shouldn't it be able to find it?
18:51 < jhh> are you absolutely sure, $GOROOT has the correct value?  (did
you print it out?)
18:52 < goplexian> yep
18:52 < uriel> goplexian: you might need to rebuild
18:52 < goplexian> the directory is now owned by root though, does that
matter?
18:52 < skelterjohn> chmod -R a+r $GOROOT
18:52 < jhh> well you should be able to read it
18:52 < skelterjohn> (sudo)
18:53 < goplexian> skelterjohn: I'm trying to package go for a distrobution
18:53 <+iant> it should work to move $GOROOT; make sure that
$GOROOT/pkg/${GOOS}_${GOARCH} is there and readable
18:53 < skelterjohn> then that line needs to be part of the install script
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18:54 < goplexian> iant: maybe thats the problem I dont have goos and
goarch, i thought I didnt need them since the package would already be built
18:54 <+iant> no, you still need them
18:55 < goplexian> ok
18:55 <+iant> Russ is working on eliminating that requirement but I don't
think all the changes are in yet
18:56 < goplexian> works!  \o/
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19:06 < dho> iant: couldn't that be baked into the binary by the compiler
based on how it was compiled?
19:06 < dho> or is he doing it some other way
19:06 <+iant> dho: yes, that is what Russ is doing
19:07 < dho> ok
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19:10 < goplexian> as long as they dont bake in GOROOT I'll be happy :)
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19:42 < keesj> I need some input to create a debian package of the current
hg tip.  I would like to have something like a version number and if possible even
a name or several names for the compiler and what is located in the /pkg
directory.  in my search I did not find debian packages yet for "go-lang"
19:42 < keesj> or golang go go-compiler-0.1 and go-runtime-0.1??
19:43 < skelterjohn> there is nothing official other than checking out the
source, atm
19:43 < skelterjohn> as far as i know, anyway
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19:52 < goplexian> Does src ever need to be in GOROOT after things have been
compiled, or could it be removed at that point along with misc, and doc
19:53 < nsf> goplexian: depends on what you want to do with compiled tools
19:53 < nsf> cgo requires few src/runtime headers
19:53 <+iant> it can be removed if you don't want to run godoc
19:53 <+iant> yeah, or cgo
19:53 < nsf> godoc as far as know requires something too
19:53 < nsf> yep )
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19:54 < goplexian> Ok then I think its probably better not to touch it
19:54 < nsf> we decided to do so too in archlinux eventually
19:55 < vegai> hmm?
19:55 < nsf> vegai: well, godoc is still broken in arch PKGBUILDs
19:55 < nsf> :D
19:55 < vegai> oh, ok.  Bugreports, please :P
19:55 < vegai> or is this some other package than mine
19:56 < nsf> vegai: just look at the go-hg AUR package, even though it fails
to build for some reason, Andres made things right in it
19:57 < nsf> he ended up doing this: cp -r $srcdir/build $pkgdir/opt/go
19:57 < goplexian> heh, i was planning to put things into opt originally as
well, but its actually very bad practice
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19:57 < goplexian> so I'm not doing that anymore
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19:58 < goplexian> opt really shouldnt be touched by the distrobution
itself, if you are planning for these packages to be included in one
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19:58 < nsf> goplexian: I'm sure it is temporary decision
19:59 < goplexian> We should have a discussion some time about where things
should go, on the mailing list, to help standardize packaging a bit
20:00 < nsf> I'd like see that kind of talk too :)
20:00 < nsf> to see*
20:00 * skelterjohn is eager to see the "beta/experimental language" mindset get
replaced by the "product" mindset
20:01 < vegai> nsf: I actually talked with Andres when I made the package in
community
20:02 < nsf> vegai: I'm aware of that..  well, talking is a right thing to
do instead of making zillion of AUR packages
20:03 < vegai> nsf: have you tried it?  I mean the community package
20:03 < nsf> but he changed the way of packaging Go recently (see last
comment in go-hg AUR package)
20:04 < nsf> i didn't try your package, but I'm sure it works
20:04 < nsf> I checked out your PKGBUILD though
20:04 < nsf> vegai: well, I can check it now :D
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20:09 < nsf> vegai: ok, your package contains what I was proposing, but here
how it is: go compiler works, cgo works, godoc doesn't..
20:09 < vegai> ah, godoc.  Ok.
20:09 < nsf> so it's definitely a progress, but not the end :D I think it is
reasonable to do what Andres did eventually
20:10 < vegai> hm, Andres now includes everything in go-hg
20:10 < nsf> yep
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20:10 < vegai> I tried that out too, but...  it increases the package size
by about 6x
20:11 < vegai> and unpacked size to about 250MB from 40M
20:11 < nsf> uh..  :)
20:11 < vegai> all those statically compiled binaries ...
20:11 < nsf> well, maybe we should continue to fix dependency issues
20:11 < nsf> godoc requires few templates from lib/godoc
20:11 < nsf> and probably something else :D
20:12 < nsf> vegai: but we certainly can omit testing binaries
20:13 < nsf> maybe it will be easier to exclude unneccesary bloating things?
20:14 < vegai> maybe.
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20:15 < nsf> uh..  :)
20:16 < vegai> find -size 2M -delete ? :P
20:17 < vegai> I guess none of the 8.outs would be needed, for one
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20:18 < nsf> I guess I'll do few experiments with that tomorrow
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20:18 < skelterjohn> find is way too powerful a tool
20:19 < nsf> vegai: and I have your email ;)
20:19 < vegai> yeah, gnu find has a disturbing amount of features :P
20:19 < vegai> there are 84 8.outs after a full build, ranging from 688K to
2092K
20:19 < nsf> you can kill them, yeah
20:20 < vegai> ah, that's what you referred to back there.  Test binaries
20:20 < nsf> actually I'm sure you can even not build them
20:21 < nsf> make by default does 'build' and 'run' targets..  and all tests
are being built in 'run' I think
20:22 < nsf> so, we should explicitly call 'make build'
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20:23 < nsf> at least we should try that :D
20:24 < nsf> I didn't dig a lot Go's makefiles
20:25 < vegai> that's fine.  I'll just remove them
20:25 < vegai> after a successful build
20:26 < nsf> well, I'm sure building tests in a -hg build is a good thing,
but in a release..  anyway it is in 'community' you'll build it just once, so
you're right, it really doesn't matter
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21:18 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6GS3U by [Ken Thompson] in go/src/cmd/6g/ --
part 2 of sudoaddable optimization
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21:23 < zlu> hi everyone
21:23 < zlu> i'm new to go and trying to install it on os x (snow leopard).
and i get this doing "make all"
21:23 < zlu> --- FAIL: quick.TestCheckEqual
21:23 < zlu> fIntptr: #34: failed on input (*int)(0x23ba60).  Output 1:
(*int)(0x23ba78).  Output 2: (*int)(0x23baa0)
21:23 < zlu> FAIL
21:23 < zlu> make[2]: *** [test] Error 1
21:23 < zlu> make[1]: *** [testing/quick.test] Error 2
21:24 < zlu> make: *** [run] Error 2
21:24 < zlu> does anyone know how i could correct this?
21:24 <+iant> I don't know what the problem is, but if you get to that point
the compiler and libraries have been built
21:24 < ntome> zlu: it's only the tests, so it's not really serious, the
compilers are built
21:24 <+iant> and you can use them
21:25 <+iant> if that problem is repeatable, please open an issue for it
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21:32 < jhh> go compiled fine for me on snow leopard this morning
21:33 < skelterjohn> does "hg pull -u" get the tip?
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21:34 < skelterjohn> oh wow - i get a compile error when i try to build go
now
21:35 <+iant> skelterjohn: does "hg diff" show anything?
21:35 < skelterjohn> no
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21:35 < skelterjohn> hg diff doesn't print anything
21:35 < skelterjohn> it's the sort package that gets the compile error
21:35 <+iant> I'm trying a build with tip now
21:36 < skelterjohn> i'm on os x leopard
21:36 < skelterjohn> not snow leopard
21:36 <+iant> I get a compile error too, the tree may be broken
21:37 < skelterjohn> ok, i will refrain from cluttering the issue list then
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21:40 < jhh> that's a funny error
21:41 < jhh> a bunch of files have a syntax error near runtime in line 2?
heh
21:42 < skelterjohn> especially since, in at least one (sort/sort.go) the
word "runtime" never appears
21:42 < skelterjohn> and line 2 is a comment
21:42 <+iant> skelterjohn: actually it failed when I ran "make all" but it
works when I run "bash all.bash"
21:42 < skelterjohn> interesting
21:42 <+iant> the difference between the two being that the latter cleans
but the former doesn't
21:42 < dho> waitwat?
21:42 < skelterjohn> i see
21:42 < skelterjohn> thanks iant
21:43 < dho> iant: make all calls all.bash
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21:43 <+iant> dho: I'm looking at the Makefile, and it appears to call
make.bash and then run.bash
21:43 < dho> build.bash?
21:44 * dho on crack?
21:44 < skelterjohn> all.bash compiles fine, for me
21:44 < dho> oh
21:44 < dho> Er.
21:44 < dho> why doesn't make.bash clean?
21:44 <+iant> good question
21:44 < dho> because it should.
21:44 < dho> line 82
21:44 < dho> i made that makefile
21:44 < skelterjohn> lol
21:45 <+iant> hmmm, that's true
21:45 <+iant> unfortunately now I've trashed my directories
21:45 < dho> i'm convinced there's some issue with it
21:46 < dho> because people come in not-too-infrequently with build issues
solved by trashing and checking out
21:46 < skelterjohn> oh neat, I no longer fail tests when GOMAXPROCS is 2
21:46 < skelterjohn> used to be I'd have to set it to 1 for testing
21:47 <+iant> I fixed ken/chan.go
21:47 < skelterjohn> or maybe it was added to the list of known bugs
21:47 < skelterjohn> cool
21:47 < skelterjohn> that was the one
21:47 < dho> ok cool
21:47 < dho> `syntax error near runtime' yes?
21:47 <+iant> dho: yes
21:47 < jhh> in line 2
21:47 < skelterjohn> hehe
21:47 < dho> the bad part is that it did run clean.bash.
21:48 <+iant> ouch!
21:48 < happy> dho: sometimes just a make clean will fix problems
21:48 < dho> make clean calls clean.bash
21:48 < dho> like i said, i wrote that makefile
21:48 < skelterjohn> happy: sure, but they want the makefiles to work right
every time :)
21:48 <+iant> dho: the word "runtime" makes me think the problem is in
cmd/gc/runtime.go
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21:49 <+iant> that file is used to generate builtin.c
21:49 < dho> did russ commit that middle-dot-to-period garble?
21:49 < happy> skelterjohn: that would be nice
21:49 <+iant> he committed some part of it
21:49 < dho> ...what a pain!
21:49 < dho> re-running make gets it to work again
21:49 < happy> skelterjohn: I do not even know why it does not work.  I just
updated now.  And got an error.  Then updated after make clean and it worked
21:50 < skelterjohn> happy: right - that's what dho and iant are discussing
21:50 < dho> you don't even need make clean, you can just run make twice.
21:50 < nsf> oh, btw, I had created a bindings for my C lib recently..
which uses 'select' internally..  how Go decides when to create a separate thread
for a goroutine?  because obviously it works with my lib
21:50 < nsf> and I didn't even use GOMAXPROCS
21:50 < dho> this is the first time net.TestDialGoogle has ever failed for
me.
21:50 < jhh> is there a file, where "package runtime" appears in the second
line?
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21:51 < dho> jhh: everything imports runtime
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21:51 < dho> iant: isn't there some magic to get something listed by
deps.bash?
21:52 < dho> maybe some new file isn't following some weird `inserted into
the makefile in this way' restriction
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21:52 < jhh> set +x ?
21:52 <+iant> I'm willing to bet it has something to do with
src/cmd/gc/{builtin.c,builtin.c.boot,runtime.go} although I don't know what
21:52 < dho> maybe
21:52 < dho> yeah
21:52 < dho> that's what i'm thinking
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21:53 < dho> I'm willing to bet it's easy enough to reproduce by checking
out release and pulling.
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21:54 * dho tests with hg update release and hg update
21:55 < dho> INTERESTING.
21:55 < dho> /home/devon/golang/src/cmd/gc/builtin.c:3: error: expected `,'
or `;' before `runtime'
21:55 < dho> /home/devon/golang/src/cmd/gc/builtin.c:82: error: expected `,'
or `;' before `unsafe'
21:55 <+iant> oy, mkbuiltin uses the installed compiler to build the new
builtin.c
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21:55 < dho> yep
21:55 < dho> iant: not sure how to get around that one.
21:57 < dho> mmm
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21:59 < dho> this does have the side-effect that you can't revert from tip
to release.
21:59 <+iant> you can still run make twice, I think
22:00 <+iant> I sent mail to the list
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22:04 < dho> i can't.
22:04 < dho> from tip->release
22:05 <+iant> why doesn't the new make regenerate builtin.c with the release
version of the compiler?
22:06 < dho> because the release version hasn't been built yet
22:07 <+iant> the first time, sure, but doesn't it work the second time?  Or
does it fail to build 6g at all?
22:07 < dho> the failure is in gc
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22:07 < dho> mkbuiltin doesn't fail, but the resulting builtin.c was
generated by the new compiler
22:08 <+iant> right
22:08 < dho> and so you'd have to copy builtin.c.boot to builtin.c
22:08 <+iant> but does it go on to build and install 6g with the wrong
builtin.c?
22:08 <+iant> or does it fail to build 6g?
22:08 < dho> it fails to build gc
22:08 < dho> 16:58 < dho> /home/devon/golang/src/cmd/gc/builtin.c:3:
error: expected `,' or `;' before `runtime'
22:08 < dho> 16:58 < dho> /home/devon/golang/src/cmd/gc/builtin.c:82:
error: expected `,' or `;' before `unsafe'
22:08 < dho> because the builtin.c is now invalid
22:09 <+iant> those errors come when building gc, or when building the Go
libraries?
22:09 < dho> gc.
22:09 <+iant> bother
22:10 <+iant> I guess we need to force the copy of builtin.c.boot to
builtin.c
22:10 < jhh> bison also complains about shift/reduce conflicts
22:10 < dho> jhh: it's been doing that for a while.
22:11 < dho> there's a ticket with that in the comments but i'm not sure
it's been addressed or fixed
22:11 < dho> iant: but how do we tell if we need to force the copy?  :\
22:11 <+iant> no idea
22:11 < dho> i replied to your mail
22:11 < dho> short of version information in gc, i don't have any clue.
22:12 <+iant> of course, for 99% of users, using builtin.c.boot is the right
thing to do
22:12 < dho> yeah
22:14 < dho> http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=406
22:15 < dho> is the issue where i comment on the shift/reduce conflicts.
22:15 < dho> I get them for both cc.y and gc.y, and i posted the state
reports
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22:16 < jhh> do you figure it's worth thinking about how to resolve them?
22:16 < dho> russ says they should not happen, so yes.
22:17 < jhh> i
22:17 < jhh> i'm surprised the parser does work with those conflicts
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22:19 < dho> Yeah, I still get it.
22:19 < dho> bison -y -d go.y
22:19 < dho> conflicts: 3 shift/reduce
22:19 < dho> go.y:953.9-956.9: warning: rule useless in parser due to
conflicts: non_expr_type: '(' non_expr_type ')'
22:19 < dho> bison -y -d cc.y
22:19 < dho> conflicts: 3 shift/reduce
22:20 < dho> I don't know how to read the report files really
22:20 < goplexian> dho you're a cgo kinda guy right, which files inside
go/src does cgo require, is it just the go/src/libcgo directory, or is it others
as well, I'm talking about after building.
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22:21 < dho> yes but I don't really understand the question
22:21 < jhh> i have bison 2.4.1 too
22:21 < dho> jhh: I guess it's a difference between 2.3 and 2.4
22:21 < dho> russ says they use 2.3 with their ubuntu there
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22:21 < goplexian> dho: just trying to figure out what can be removed/moved
from go/src without breaking cgo/godoc
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22:22 < jhh> maybe they changed something about some transformation rules.
i'll look into the logfiles
22:22 < dho> ok
22:22 < dho> hrm
22:23 < dho> goplexian: Yes, libcgo is needed; also obviously runtime
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22:25 < dho> I don't know about godoc
22:26 < dho> But I'd guess that whatever it has for its imports is
sufficient
22:26 < goplexian> oh duh, thanks i'll check out the imports
22:26 < dho> np
22:29 < jhh> that's funny.  bison writes german logfiles for me.  feels
weired
22:29 < dho> heh
22:30 < dho> nls ftl
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22:36 < jhh> that's a decent amount of work to get through that
22:36 < dho> ?
22:37 < jhh> i would actually have to understand the grammar
22:37 < jhh> i guess
22:38 < jhh> it's easy to find the points of conflict, but it's hard to
pinpoint it in the grammar and harder to fix it
22:38 < dho> I don't even understand why state 154 is a conflict
22:38 < dho> like, it doesn't give any information about why it thinks it is
22:40 < jhh> for me it's 8, 50 and 494
22:41 < jhh> in 8 it's at position "import_package . import_there" and
doesn't know if to shift or reduce on LIMPORT
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22:42 < jhh> why are our states numbered differently?
22:42 < jhh> :)
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22:42 < dho> they're not, I just don't know how to read it :)
22:44 < jhh> i'll look at to tomorrow, good night!
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22:46 < dho> nite!
22:52 < keesj> nsf: so you crearted a archlinux package?
22:53 < keesj> off now...
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