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#go-nuts 08:18 -!- nullpo [n=nullpo@221x252x46x83.ap221.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #go-nuts 08:21 -!- r2p2 [n=billy@v32671.1blu.de] has joined #go-nuts 08:24 -!- scarabza [n=scarabza@84-72-140-176.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #go-nuts 08:25 -!- jA_cOp [n=yakobu@unaffiliated/ja-cop/x-9478493] has joined #go-nuts 08:25 -!- path[l] [n=path@59.162.86.164] has joined #go-nuts 08:26 -!- path[l] [n=path@59.162.86.164] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:26 -!- path[l] [n=path@59.162.86.164] has joined #go-nuts 08:27 < scarabza> greetings all - i have a quick question regarding go. what is the idea behind go, is it an alternative to C/Java, or would it be more comparable to Ruby? 08:27 -!- Iszak [i=cb3b5ece@gateway/web/freenode/x-qvhuxdngecsvinkv] has joined #go-nuts 08:27 < Iszak> has Go got a GUI library yet? 08:28 < Iszak> for windows. 08:31 -!- General1337 [n=support@71-84-247-187.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com] has joined #go-nuts 08:33 < res> scarabza: C/java? 08:36 -!- General13372 [n=support@71-84-247-187.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:45 < scarabza> res: i guess what i'm asking is go aimed at the same user space as C and/or Java? 08:47 < tanamo> C 08:48 < res> i wouldnt compare c to java in any situation, much less depict them as similar 08:48 < res> id say it has the extensability of c++ but a much cleaner syntax 08:48 < res> in many ways its just perfect 08:49 -!- vsmatck1 [n=smack@64-142-40-6.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Client Quit] 08:49 -!- vsmatck [n=smack@64-142-40-6.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #go-nuts 08:50 -!- jophish [n=jophish@hermi.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #go-nuts 08:50 -!- hcatlin [n=hcatlin@pdpc/supporter/professional/hcatlin] has joined #go-nuts 08:52 < scarabza> res: understood. :) so in your mind it could be used for low level development as with C? ie: game and operating system development 08:52 -!- preflex_ [n=preflex@95-88-118-220-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #go-nuts 08:52 -!- niekie [i=quasselc@CAcert/Assurer/niekie] has joined #go-nuts 08:53 < res> scarabza: eventually, id say so. atm c has better performance though 08:54 < Iszak> when ca we except a GUI :( 08:55 < Iszak> can* 08:55 < Iszak> I hate wireless keyboards :( 08:55 < tanamo> Iszak, there's a gtk+ binding, im not sure if it's already complete though 08:56 < Iszak> hmm 08:56 < Iszak> i'd rather it be native to go tho 08:56 < tanamo> http://github.com/mattn/go-gtk 08:56 < antarus> native how? 08:56 < vsmatck> It wouldn't be a good idea to rewrite gtk in go. That'd be duplication of work. A waste of time. 08:56 < tanamo> use that first for the mean time... 08:56 < antarus> why would anyone write a whole toolkit in go when you can write bindings to C ;) 08:57 < tanamo> just for fun i guess... hehe 08:57 < Iszak> ...because it'd be faster? more compatible? 08:57 < antarus> more compatable with what? 08:57 < Iszak> go I guess? 08:57 < res> w/go 08:58 < res> /dev/draw in go please 08:58 < Iszak> I mean I know it'd be like reinventing the wheel, but Java did it :P didn't they? 08:58 < antarus> well I think thats moreso how well the bindings are written 08:58 < antarus> Java had Sun 08:58 < tanamo> but java gui is slow right? 08:58 < res> tanamo: yea 08:58 < res> as is java as a whole 08:58 < ashaw> are unions on the cards for go? 08:58 < Iszak> that's not fair res :P 08:58 < res> Iszak: it runs in a vm, so true 08:59 < Iszak> i know but it's not /that/ bad. 08:59 < Iszak> i mean it can't be that slow to be used on mobiles. 08:59 < Iszak> and yes I know the mobile edition is strip downed 09:00 -!- preflex [n=preflex@95-88-118-220-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 09:00 < Iszak> atleast you'd think it would be.. 09:00 < tanamo> a true go gui wouldnt be possible, as long as X and Windows graphics are written in c/c++ 09:00 < ashaw> yeah. 09:01 < Iszak> well then the next best thing would to have bindings to winforms etc. 09:01 < Iszak> right? 09:01 < ashaw> I was just thinking that. 09:02 < Iszak> aha :P 09:02 < res> im looking forward to chrome os and go integration 09:02 < Iszak> unless you're on a power pc chrome os is a piece of crap? :P 09:02 < Iszak> isn't chrome os meant to be a lightweight operating system where everything is based around the browser? 09:02 < res> yea 09:03 < Iszak> not power pc.. 09:03 < Iszak> netbook 09:03 < Iszak> i mean yes it's cool - but not really a real operating system, we're programmers god damn it. 09:03 < ashaw> I have a question on go programming, could someone help me? 09:04 < Iszak> don't ask to ask, just ask :P 09:04 < ashaw> I am trying to write some software and was wondering, how one treat a float 64 like an int64 09:04 < ashaw> *how does* 09:04 -!- nighty__ [n=nighty@210.188.173.245] has quit [Client Quit] 09:05 < vegai> ashaw: you mean how does one convert a float64 to int64? 09:05 < vegai> iirc go doesn't do casting 09:05 < Iszak> err what? 09:05 < Iszak> wait maybe I'm confused - you mean type casting? 09:05 < vegai> yes, that one 09:05 < ashaw> no, I mean get access to the bit representation of a float64 as an int64 09:06 < vegai> oh 09:06 < Iszak> vegai: I thought you were saying Google Go has dynamic types :P I was thinking - wouldn't that make it MUCH slower. 09:07 < vegai> ashaw: perhaps in here: http://golang.org/pkg/math/ 09:07 < vegai> dynamic typing isn't that slow these days... if done properly 09:08 < Iszak> it's javascript really slow because of it? 09:08 < vegai> no 09:08 < Iszak> i swear it is. 09:08 < Iszak> i mean not JS as a whole. 09:08 < Iszak> let me find it. 09:08 < res> its slow because ot has java on the name ;) 09:09 < res> ot/it 09:09 < Iszak> aha 09:09 < Iszak> that was just marketing. 09:09 < vsmatck> I like Dan Ingalls explanation of the slowness of javascript interpreters. He says it's just that no one writing those interpreters imagined that people would be running complex web applications on them. 09:09 < vsmatck> Some of the new javascript interpreters are much faster. Like google v8. 09:09 < res> yea and opera's new engine is even faster 09:10 < Iszak> tracemoneyk 09:10 < Iszak> tracemonkey* 09:10 < Iszak> fuck I hate wireless keyboards. 09:16 -!- Iszak [i=cb3b5ece@gateway/web/freenode/x-qvhuxdngecsvinkv] has quit ["Page closed"] 09:16 -!- mssm [n=mssmfs@ip-95-221-73-151.bb.netbynet.ru] has joined #go-nuts 09:17 < ashaw> sorry I went away, but I cannot see a function that does that in pkg/math 09:17 < ashaw> sorry yes I can 09:18 < vegai> first I was like "wuuhhaaa?" and then I was like "oh" 09:18 < ashaw> float64bits is it? 09:19 < ashaw> is that optimised, as it should in principal be very fast, but in practise it could be slow? 09:20 -!- niekie [i=quasselc@CAcert/Assurer/niekie] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:26 < vegai> no idea 09:34 -!- kaigan|work [n=kaigan@c-8290e255.1411-10-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #go-nuts 09:41 -!- murodes1 [n=James@124-169-129-141.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #go-nuts 09:44 -!- 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XenoPhoenix> help would be appreciated :) 15:53 -!- mssm [n=mssmfs@ip-95-221-73-151.bb.netbynet.ru] has joined #go-nuts 15:54 < vegai> go doesn't have casts 15:55 < XenoPhoenix> well surely there must be some way to abstract it to a []Obj slice? 15:56 < XenoPhoenix> as otherwise you'd never be able to do anything with an object in a Vector 15:56 < vegai> hmm, I wish there was an api search 15:59 <+iant> you can't convert []interface{} to []Obj, as the types are not compatible 15:59 <+iant> you have to cast it as you need the element 15:59 <+iant> v.At(1).(Obj) 16:00 < XenoPhoenix> ah fair enough 16:00 < XenoPhoenix> will be good if go implements some form of generics at somepoint :) 16:00 <+iant> yes 16:02 < vegai> ah, didn't know about that 16:02 -!- ericvh [n=ericvh@adsl-69-104-141-42.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:02 < XenoPhoenix> thanks for your help iant 16:06 < vegai> I suppose it's not a cast technically, though, but a conversion 16:06 -!- skelterjohn [n=jasmuth@lawn-net168-in.rutgers.edu] has joined #go-nuts 16:06 < skelterjohn> morning 16:06 < vegai> the distinction is super important, is it not :P 16:06 < vegai> howdy 16:07 -!- kaigan|work [n=kaigan@c-8290e255.1411-10-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Client Quit] 16:10 < skelterjohn> distinction from what, afternoon? 16:13 -!- jophish [n=jophish@hermi.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #go-nuts 16:13 -!- ericvh [n=ericvh@adsl-69-104-141-42.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [] 16:14 -!- ericvh [n=ericvh@adsl-69-104-141-42.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:15 < vegai> skelterjohn: casts and conversions... 16:16 < skelterjohn> oh - something that was said shortly before I joined? 16:16 < skelterjohn> I thought you were replying to me 16:17 < skelterjohn> I agree. casts and conversions are different. 16:20 < XenoPhoenix> yeah they are different 16:21 < XenoPhoenix> one assumes compatibility, one enforces it 16:21 -!- sinuhe [n=user@97-117-67-167.slkc.qwest.net] has 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#go-nuts 16:44 -!- jajamana [n=jcb@cm-84.215.40.160.getinternet.no] has joined #go-nuts 16:44 -!- iant [n=iant@nat/google/x-zwmyqxxaazwnkyzw] has joined #go-nuts 16:44 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 16:46 -!- Guest36527 [n=korfuri@eth0.korfuri.fr] has left #go-nuts [] 16:50 -!- deso [n=deso@x0561a.wh30.tu-dresden.de] has joined #go-nuts 16:53 -!- trickie [n=trickie@94.100.112.225] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:53 -!- rakd [n=rakd@219.117.252.7.static.zoot.jp] has joined #go-nuts 16:55 -!- mat____ [n=mat@prod2.absolight.net] has left #go-nuts [] 16:58 < XenoPhoenix> has any one here had much experiance constructing a Builder object for the json parser interface? 16:59 < XenoPhoenix> I'm encoutering some strange behaviour which i'm not sure how to get around 17:00 -!- Kibiz0r [n=Adium@wndsnyhed01-pool1-a130.wndsny.tds.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 17:01 < skelterjohn> I don't even really know what json is :\ 17:01 -!- r2p2 [n=billy@v32671.1blu.de] has joined #go-nuts 17:03 < dho> XenoPhoenix: no, but even if i did, i wouldn't be able to help without having a question asked 17:03 -!- mat_ [n=mat@prod2.absolight.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:03 < dho> (and it might be something people could answer without having experience with it) 17:03 < dho> don't ask to ask, just ask. 17:04 < skelterjohn> try saying that ten times fast 17:04 < jhh> ask is a strange word indeed 17:05 -!- mertimor [n=mertimor@p4FE75A38.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:05 -!- jajamana [n=jcb@cm-84.215.40.160.getinternet.no] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 17:05 < XenoPhoenix> heh, well it something quite specific, an possible long winded to explain, just bear with me i'm just checking to see if it's something stupid i've done 17:06 < skelterjohn> even if it is something specific, we have strong google-fu 17:10 < XenoPhoenix> right: http://pastebin.ca/1759139 17:10 < skelterjohn> that's definitely some go code 17:10 < XenoPhoenix> basically this is the code for a sub builder, which handles creation of a specific object from a json input 17:11 < XenoPhoenix> now when it encounters a key, which it stores the value of the key and then when it recieves the value, it puts it in it's iternal data for the correct property 17:11 -!- BunzOfSteel [n=bunz@pool-173-56-111-193.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:11 < XenoPhoenix> you can see that type is set inside the String(s string) method when encountered 17:12 < XenoPhoenix> if I trace here, I can see that it is the correct value and that it is being set 17:13 < XenoPhoenix> however, when I try and read this in the Flush Method (counting flushes to ensure we only execute on the final flush before this Builder is abandoned) it is at a default value of an empty string 17:13 < XenoPhoenix> and all the other properties are at default values too 17:13 < skelterjohn> your method receiver is not a pointer 17:13 < XenoPhoenix> this didn't happen when I use a similar builder for another sub object 17:13 < skelterjohn> whatever happens to ob in that method won't be reflected outside the method 17:14 < skelterjohn> make the receiver type *objectBuilder 17:14 < skelterjohn> for all of those methods 17:14 < jhh> sharp eye 17:14 < skelterjohn> otherwise when you call the method, it makes a copy of the object builder, acts on that, and then throws out the copy 17:15 < skelterjohn> jhh: only because i've had this discussion before with someone else :) 17:15 < XenoPhoenix> hahah I told you I would have done something stupid :P 17:15 < XenoPhoenix> been coding too much today :P 17:15 -!- Guest28767 [n=eharmon@eharmon.net] has left #go-nuts [] 17:15 < XenoPhoenix> thx guys 17:15 < skelterjohn> not stupid. 17:16 -!- Guest28767 [n=eharmon@eharmon.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:16 < skelterjohn> the fact that calling a method with receiver type (*a) and type (a) looks the same when you invoke it on an object of type "a" is confusing, to me 17:16 < XenoPhoenix> well its careless consdiering all my other objects are ok! ah well solved now :) 17:17 < jhh> do you understand why that causes working on a copy? 17:17 < skelterjohn> if you have "func (a *A) foo() {...}" and "func (a A) foo() {...}", what happens with "var a A = ...; a.foo()"? 17:17 < XenoPhoenix> jhh Yeah I understand, I just completely missed that i'd not made them pointers 17:17 -!- Guest28767 [n=eharmon@eharmon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:17 * skelterjohn goes off to write a test to see 17:18 < jhh> I mean, I know that behaviour, but I don't udnerstand why it has to be like that 17:18 < XenoPhoenix> skelterjohn: Surely it will slap your for having too methods with teh same name? 17:18 < skelterjohn> you can have methods with the same name and different receivers 17:18 < skelterjohn> for instance, if you want to ahve two different structs implement the same interface, this is required 17:18 -!- Guest93082 [n=eharmon@eharmon.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:19 -!- tomestla [n=tom@AToulouse-151-1-91-191.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #go-nuts 17:19 < XenoPhoenix> now that's interesting, now I've change them over it's saying that my objectBuilder is not implementing json.Builder, "missing Int64(i int64)" 17:19 < skelterjohn> but you're right 17:20 < skelterjohn> won't let me redeclare it.... 17:20 < XenoPhoenix> func (ob *objectBuilder) Int64(i int64) { ob.Float64(float64(i)); 17:20 < XenoPhoenix> }it is there ^^ 17:20 < skelterjohn> objectBuilder doesn't implement it. but *objectBuilder does :) 17:20 < skelterjohn> in your assignment, you need to do &ob, etc 17:20 < XenoPhoenix> oh gah it's going to be one of those days isn't it 17:20 * XenoPhoenix goes off hunting references 17:21 -!- Guest93082 [n=eharmon@eharmon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:21 -!- eharmon [n=eharmon@eharmon.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:21 < skelterjohn> So, to report, I can have "func (a A) foo()" and "func (b B) foo()", but not also "func (a *A) foo()" 17:22 < skelterjohn> not sure i like that 17:22 < XenoPhoenix> yeah that's as I suspected 17:22 < skelterjohn> I'd much rather have a.foo() invoke func(a A) foo() 17:22 < XenoPhoenix> I did wonder what's goign to happend in the case where you have two different interfaces both with a method of the same name and you want to implement both of them on the same object... 17:22 < skelterjohn> and a->foo() invoke func (a *A) foo() 17:23 < skelterjohn> XenoPhoenix: that is no problem, that just works 17:23 < skelterjohn> the object satisfies both interfaces, so you can label it with either one 17:23 < XenoPhoenix> really? even if both the methods have the same name and different signatures? 17:23 < skelterjohn> wait 17:24 < skelterjohn> oh different parameter lists 17:24 < XenoPhoenix> yar 17:24 < skelterjohn> in that case, no, it can only do one 17:24 < skelterjohn> if they have the same parameter list, it can do both 17:24 < XenoPhoenix> see that strikes me as a flaw 17:24 < skelterjohn> lack of function overloading is discussed in the FAQ 17:25 < skelterjohn> i disagree, too, but i like the fact that they go for "streamlined" instead of "feature-rich" 17:25 -!- shasbot [n=shasbot@ip70-171-218-55.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:26 < jhh> http://pastebin.com/m3022c415 17:27 < jhh> trying to understand why one would want to copy the object the method is being called on 17:27 < skelterjohn> it's more like, why limit it to only allowing pointers? 17:28 < jhh> yeah but why does not using a pointer mean working on a *copy* 17:28 < skelterjohn> you have pointers and you have copies 17:28 < skelterjohn> what other choice is there? 17:28 < jhh> true 17:28 < skelterjohn> aside from an under-the-hood-pointer-that-looks-like-a-value 17:29 < jhh> oop taught my mind a weired way of thinking I come to notice 17:29 < skelterjohn> but reference types can be confusing in C++, imo. 17:30 < jhh> "a = b" means copying b into a, why should it be different with b.foo()... 17:31 -!- gyjoe 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things straight in my head 17:34 -!- Demp [n=Demp@bzq-109-66-2-94.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:35 < jhh> only if i think about the realization it's getting consistent 17:37 < jhh> if i think about stuff on the stack, it's clear, but if i just stare at a function, i'm not really convinced 17:37 < skelterjohn> I don't think many functions get written that have non-pointer receiver types 17:38 -!- Demp_ [n=Demp@109.66.2.94] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:39 < skelterjohn> i wish "width" and "height" had the same number of letters 17:39 < skelterjohn> then my GUI code would be better aligned 17:40 -!- Fl1pFl0p [n=FlipFlop@unaffiliated/fl1pfl0p] has joined #go-nuts 17:44 -!- nsf [n=nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has joined #go-nuts 17:45 -!- jdp [n=justin@nj-67-237-6-47.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:46 -!- skelterjohn [n=jasmuth@lawn-net168-in.rutgers.edu] has left #go-nuts [] 17:46 -!- skelterjohn [n=jasmuth@lawn-net168-in.rutgers.edu] has joined #go-nuts 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B) 17:46 < skelterjohn> excellent. 17:48 -!- p4p4 [n=P4p4@24.106.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:50 -!- JSharpe2 [n=jamie@5ad673f4.bb.sky.com] has joined #go-nuts 17:51 -!- Venom_X [n=pjacobs@cpe-67-9-131-167.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [] 17:57 -!- Venom_X [n=pjacobs@cpe-67-9-131-167.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 18:00 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6Gdmc by [Russ Cox] in go/lib/codereview/ -- codereview: accommodate recent change to ui.prompt 18:03 -!- exiquio [n=ghost@c-67-164-136-59.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit ["That's it for today"] 18:07 -!- JSharpe [n=jamie@5ad93947.bb.sky.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:11 -!- snearch [n=olaf@g225056187.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 18:13 -!- exiquio [n=ghost@c-67-164-136-59.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:15 -!- p4p4 [n=P4p4@248.121.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has joined #go-nuts 18:25 -!- Gracenotes [n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:32 -!- goplexian [n=user@d154-20-0-9.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:34 -!- path[l] [n=path@59.162.86.164] has quit [] 18:41 -!- Gracenotes [n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has joined #go-nuts 18:43 -!- Demp_ [n=Demp@bzq-79-179-15-10.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:46 -!- JPascal [n=jpascal@78-106-197-161.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #go-nuts 18:49 < goplexian> question, I'm getting an error saying 6g cant find import go/parser, I've moved my GOROOT directory, but I've pointed $GOROOT to the new location, shouldn't it be able to find it? 18:51 < jhh> are you absolutely sure, $GOROOT has the correct value? (did you print it out?) 18:52 < goplexian> yep 18:52 < uriel> goplexian: you might need to rebuild 18:52 < goplexian> the directory is now owned by root though, does that matter? 18:52 < skelterjohn> chmod -R a+r $GOROOT 18:52 < jhh> well you should be able to read it 18:52 < skelterjohn> (sudo) 18:53 < goplexian> skelterjohn: I'm trying to package go for a distrobution 18:53 <+iant> it should work to move $GOROOT; make sure that $GOROOT/pkg/${GOOS}_${GOARCH} is there and readable 18:53 < skelterjohn> then that line needs to be part of the install script 18:54 -!- path[l] [i=UPP@120.138.102.34] has joined #go-nuts 18:54 < goplexian> iant: maybe thats the problem I dont have goos and goarch, i thought I didnt need them since the package would already be built 18:54 <+iant> no, you still need them 18:55 < goplexian> ok 18:55 <+iant> Russ is working on eliminating that requirement but I don't think all the changes are in yet 18:56 < goplexian> works! \o/ 19:03 -!- Demp_ [n=Demp@bzq-79-179-15-10.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:05 -!- Demp_ [n=Demp@bzq-79-181-44-174.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:06 < dho> iant: couldn't that be baked into the binary by the compiler based on how it was compiled? 19:06 < dho> or is he doing it some other way 19:06 <+iant> dho: yes, that is what Russ is doing 19:07 < dho> ok 19:07 -!- Demp [n=Demp@bzq-109-66-2-94.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:08 -!- aho [n=nya@e179089245.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 19:09 -!- carllerche [n=carllerc@c-69-181-129-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:10 -!- JPascal [n=jpascal@78-106-197-161.broadband.corbina.ru] has left #go-nuts [] 19:10 < goplexian> as long as they dont bake in GOROOT I'll be happy :) 19:10 -!- Demp [n=Demp@bzq-79-178-37-96.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:12 -!- bortzmeyer [n=stephane@central.sources.org] has joined #go-nuts 19:16 -!- buidangchung [n=chatzill@118.71.31.205] has joined #go-nuts 19:17 -!- buidangchung [n=chatzill@118.71.31.205] has left #go-nuts [] 19:18 -!- Demp_ [n=Demp@bzq-79-181-44-174.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:20 -!- codedread [i=180dd699@gateway/web/freenode/x-qkcrtfsmtohukdxb] has joined #go-nuts 19:20 -!- codedread [i=180dd699@gateway/web/freenode/x-qkcrtfsmtohukdxb] has left #go-nuts [] 19:23 -!- chachan [n=chachan@ccscliente156.ifxnetworks.net.ve] has joined #go-nuts 19:24 -!- yesudeep [n=user@unaffiliated/yesudeep] has joined #go-nuts 19:28 -!- Demp [n=Demp@bzq-79-178-37-96.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:29 -!- Demp [n=Demp@bzq-79-178-37-96.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:29 -!- yesudeep [n=user@unaffiliated/yesudeep] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:30 -!- ni| [n=james@users.vu.union.edu] has quit ["leaving"] 19:31 -!- ni| [n=james@dontpanic.union.edu] has joined #go-nuts 19:39 -!- rakd [n=rakd@219.117.252.7.static.zoot.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 19:42 < keesj> I need some input to create a debian package of the current hg tip. I would like to have something like a version number and if possible even a name or several names for the compiler and what is located in the /pkg directory. in my search I did not find debian packages yet for "go-lang" 19:42 < keesj> or golang go go-compiler-0.1 and go-runtime-0.1?? 19:43 < skelterjohn> there is nothing official other than checking out the source, atm 19:43 < skelterjohn> as far as i know, anyway 19:48 -!- jdp [n=justin@nj-67-237-6-47.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:51 -!- mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #go-nuts 19:52 < goplexian> Does src ever need to be in GOROOT after things have been compiled, or could it be removed at that point along with misc, and doc 19:53 < nsf> goplexian: depends on what you want to do with compiled tools 19:53 < nsf> cgo requires few src/runtime headers 19:53 <+iant> it can be removed if you don't want to run godoc 19:53 <+iant> yeah, or cgo 19:53 < nsf> godoc as far as know requires something too 19:53 < nsf> yep ) 19:53 -!- afurlan [n=afurlan@scorpion.mps.com.br] has joined #go-nuts 19:54 < goplexian> Ok then I think its probably better not to touch it 19:54 < nsf> we decided to do so too in archlinux eventually 19:55 < vegai> hmm? 19:55 < nsf> vegai: well, godoc is still broken in arch PKGBUILDs 19:55 < nsf> :D 19:55 < vegai> oh, ok. Bugreports, please :P 19:55 < vegai> or is this some other package than mine 19:56 < nsf> vegai: just look at the go-hg AUR package, even though it fails to build for some reason, Andres made things right in it 19:57 < nsf> he ended up doing this: cp -r $srcdir/build $pkgdir/opt/go 19:57 < goplexian> heh, i was planning to put things into opt originally as well, but its actually very bad practice 19:57 -!- Demp [n=Demp@bzq-79-178-37-96.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:57 < goplexian> so I'm not doing that anymore 19:58 -!- Demp [n=Demp@bzq-79-178-37-96.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:58 < goplexian> opt really shouldnt be touched by the distrobution itself, if you are planning for these packages to be included in one 19:58 -!- Eridius [n=kevin@growl/Eridius] has joined #go-nuts 19:58 < nsf> goplexian: I'm sure it is temporary decision 19:59 < goplexian> We should have a discussion some time about where things should go, on the mailing list, to help standardize packaging a bit 20:00 < nsf> I'd like see that kind of talk too :) 20:00 < nsf> to see* 20:00 * skelterjohn is eager to see the "beta/experimental language" mindset get replaced by the "product" mindset 20:01 < vegai> nsf: I actually talked with Andres when I made the package in community 20:02 < nsf> vegai: I'm aware of that.. well, talking is a right thing to do instead of making zillion of AUR packages 20:03 < vegai> nsf: have you tried it? I mean the community package 20:03 < nsf> but he changed the way of packaging Go recently (see last comment in go-hg AUR package) 20:04 < nsf> i didn't try your package, but I'm sure it works 20:04 < nsf> I checked out your PKGBUILD though 20:04 < nsf> vegai: well, I can check it now :D 20:05 -!- rrr [i=rrr@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x9230E18F] has quit [] 20:06 -!- fgb [n=fgb@190.246.85.45] has joined #go-nuts 20:09 < nsf> vegai: ok, your package contains what I was proposing, but here how it is: go compiler works, cgo works, godoc doesn't.. 20:09 < vegai> ah, godoc. Ok. 20:09 < nsf> so it's definitely a progress, but not the end :D I think it is reasonable to do what Andres did eventually 20:10 < vegai> hm, Andres now includes everything in go-hg 20:10 < nsf> yep 20:10 -!- p4p4 [n=P4p4@248.121.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [SeaMonkey 2.0a3/20090223135443]"] 20:10 -!- rndbot [n=bot@wikipedia/Gracenotes] has joined #go-nuts 20:10 < vegai> I tried that out too, but... it increases the package size by about 6x 20:11 < vegai> and unpacked size to about 250MB from 40M 20:11 < nsf> uh.. :) 20:11 < vegai> all those statically compiled binaries ... 20:11 < nsf> well, maybe we should continue to fix dependency issues 20:11 < nsf> godoc requires few templates from lib/godoc 20:11 < nsf> and probably something else :D 20:12 < nsf> vegai: but we certainly can omit testing binaries 20:13 < nsf> maybe it will be easier to exclude unneccesary bloating things? 20:14 < vegai> maybe. 20:14 -!- ericvh [n=ericvh@adsl-69-104-141-42.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:14 -!- Kashia [n=Kashia@port-92-200-177-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #go-nuts 20:15 < nsf> uh.. :) 20:16 < vegai> find -size 2M -delete ? :P 20:17 < vegai> I guess none of the 8.outs would be needed, for one 20:17 -!- Fl1pFl0p [n=FlipFlop@unaffiliated/fl1pfl0p] has left #go-nuts [] 20:18 -!- jophish [n=jophish@hermi.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 20:18 < nsf> I guess I'll do few experiments with that tomorrow 20:18 -!- jophish [n=jophish@hermi.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #go-nuts 20:18 < skelterjohn> find is way too powerful a tool 20:19 < nsf> vegai: and I have your email ;) 20:19 < vegai> yeah, gnu find has a disturbing amount of features :P 20:19 < vegai> there are 84 8.outs after a full build, ranging from 688K to 2092K 20:19 < nsf> you can kill them, yeah 20:20 < vegai> ah, that's what you referred to back there. Test binaries 20:20 < nsf> actually I'm sure you can even not build them 20:21 < nsf> make by default does 'build' and 'run' targets.. and all tests are being built in 'run' I think 20:22 < nsf> so, we should explicitly call 'make build' 20:22 -!- mssm [n=mssmfs@ip-95-221-73-151.bb.netbynet.ru] has joined #go-nuts 20:23 < nsf> at least we should try that :D 20:24 < nsf> I didn't dig a lot Go's makefiles 20:25 < vegai> that's fine. I'll just remove them 20:25 < vegai> after a successful build 20:26 < nsf> well, I'm sure building tests in a -hg build is a good thing, but in a release.. anyway it is in 'community' you'll build it just once, so you're right, it really doesn't matter 20:27 -!- rares_ [n=rares@c-98-231-186-250.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:27 -!- rares_ [n=rares@c-98-231-186-250.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:28 -!- rares_ [n=rares@c-98-231-186-250.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:28 -!- rares_ [n=rares@c-98-231-186-250.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:28 -!- cw [n=cw@71.6.196.126] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:28 -!- plainhao [n=plainhao@mail.xbiotica.com] has quit [] 20:29 -!- ako [n=nya@f050249092.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 20:31 -!- ayo [n=nya@f051153016.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 20:31 -!- ikke [n=ikkibr@unaffiliated/ikkebr] has quit [] 20:31 -!- General1337 [n=support@71-84-247-187.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com] has joined #go-nuts 20:34 -!- aho [n=nya@e179089245.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:34 -!- tyr42 [n=tyr_god_@CPE0022b0b261a1-CM0012254318f6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #go-nuts 20:36 -!- ako [n=nya@f050249092.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:47 -!- afurlan [n=afurlan@scorpion.mps.com.br] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:49 -!- General13372 [n=support@71-84-247-187.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:54 -!- webbpa [n=chatzill@adsl-99-35-31-167.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:56 -!- bortzmeyer [n=stephane@central.sources.org] has quit [Client Quit] 20:59 -!- skelterjohn [n=jasmuth@lawn-net168-in.rutgers.edu] has quit [] 21:03 -!- skelterjohn [n=jasmuth@lawn-net168-in.rutgers.edu] has joined #go-nuts 21:09 -!- jajamana [n=jcb@cm-84.215.40.160.getinternet.no] has joined #go-nuts 21:12 -!- oal [n=olav@5.79-160-122.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:15 -!- ericvh [n=ericvh@adsl-69-104-141-42.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:17 -!- ayo [n=nya@f051153016.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #go-nuts [] 21:18 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6GS3U by [Ken Thompson] in go/src/cmd/6g/ -- part 2 of sudoaddable optimization 21:18 -!- aho [n=nya@f051153016.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 21:19 -!- sd1 [n=sd3@64-121-0-139.c3-0.smt-ubr1.atw-smt.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #go-nuts 21:20 -!- mibster [n=r00t@unaffiliated/mib4ever] has joined #go-nuts 21:21 -!- sd1 [n=sd3@64-121-0-139.c3-0.smt-ubr1.atw-smt.pa.cable.rcn.com] has left #go-nuts [] 21:23 -!- zlu [n=zlu@193.253.159.184] has joined #go-nuts 21:23 < zlu> hi everyone 21:23 < zlu> i'm new to go and trying to install it on os x (snow leopard). and i get this doing "make all" 21:23 < zlu> --- FAIL: quick.TestCheckEqual 21:23 < zlu> fIntptr: #34: failed on input (*int)(0x23ba60). Output 1: (*int)(0x23ba78). Output 2: (*int)(0x23baa0) 21:23 < zlu> FAIL 21:23 < zlu> make[2]: *** [test] Error 1 21:23 < zlu> make[1]: *** [testing/quick.test] Error 2 21:24 < zlu> make: *** [run] Error 2 21:24 < zlu> does anyone know how i could correct this? 21:24 <+iant> I don't know what the problem is, but if you get to that point the compiler and libraries have been built 21:24 < ntome> zlu: it's only the tests, so it's not really serious, the compilers are built 21:24 <+iant> and you can use them 21:25 <+iant> if that problem is repeatable, please open an issue for it 21:25 -!- ESphynx [i=ESphynx@216.66.142.24] has joined #go-nuts 21:25 -!- ESphynx [i=ESphynx@216.66.142.24] has left #go-nuts [] 21:32 < jhh> go compiled fine for me on snow leopard this morning 21:33 < skelterjohn> does "hg pull -u" get the tip? 21:33 -!- cw [n=cw@parsec.stupidest.org] has joined #go-nuts 21:33 -!- Eridius [n=kevin@growl/Eridius] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:34 < skelterjohn> oh wow - i get a compile error when i try to build go now 21:35 <+iant> skelterjohn: does "hg diff" show anything? 21:35 < skelterjohn> no 21:35 -!- mbarkhau [n=koloss@p54A7EDB2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:35 < skelterjohn> hg diff doesn't print anything 21:35 < skelterjohn> it's the sort package that gets the compile error 21:35 <+iant> I'm trying a build with tip now 21:36 < skelterjohn> i'm on os x leopard 21:36 < skelterjohn> not snow leopard 21:36 <+iant> I get a compile error too, the tree may be broken 21:37 < skelterjohn> ok, i will refrain from cluttering the issue list then 21:39 -!- mibster [n=r00t@unaffiliated/mib4ever] has left #go-nuts [] 21:40 < jhh> that's a funny error 21:41 < jhh> a bunch of files have a syntax error near runtime in line 2? heh 21:42 < skelterjohn> especially since, in at least one (sort/sort.go) the word "runtime" never appears 21:42 < skelterjohn> and line 2 is a comment 21:42 <+iant> skelterjohn: actually it failed when I ran "make all" but it works when I run "bash all.bash" 21:42 < skelterjohn> interesting 21:42 <+iant> the difference between the two being that the latter cleans but the former doesn't 21:42 < dho> waitwat? 21:42 < skelterjohn> i see 21:42 < skelterjohn> thanks iant 21:43 < dho> iant: make all calls all.bash 21:43 -!- Zuu [i=zuu@unaffiliated/zuu] has joined #go-nuts 21:43 <+iant> dho: I'm looking at the Makefile, and it appears to call make.bash and then run.bash 21:43 < dho> build.bash? 21:44 * dho on crack? 21:44 < skelterjohn> all.bash compiles fine, for me 21:44 < dho> oh 21:44 < dho> Er. 21:44 < dho> why doesn't make.bash clean? 21:44 <+iant> good question 21:44 < dho> because it should. 21:44 < dho> line 82 21:44 < dho> i made that makefile 21:44 < skelterjohn> lol 21:45 <+iant> hmmm, that's true 21:45 <+iant> unfortunately now I've trashed my directories 21:45 < dho> i'm convinced there's some issue with it 21:46 < dho> because people come in not-too-infrequently with build issues solved by trashing and checking out 21:46 < skelterjohn> oh neat, I no longer fail tests when GOMAXPROCS is 2 21:46 < skelterjohn> used to be I'd have to set it to 1 for testing 21:47 <+iant> I fixed ken/chan.go 21:47 < skelterjohn> or maybe it was added to the list of known bugs 21:47 < skelterjohn> cool 21:47 < skelterjohn> that was the one 21:47 < dho> ok cool 21:47 < dho> `syntax error near runtime' yes? 21:47 <+iant> dho: yes 21:47 < jhh> in line 2 21:47 < skelterjohn> hehe 21:47 < dho> the bad part is that it did run clean.bash. 21:48 <+iant> ouch! 21:48 < happy> dho: sometimes just a make clean will fix problems 21:48 < dho> make clean calls clean.bash 21:48 < dho> like i said, i wrote that makefile 21:48 < skelterjohn> happy: sure, but they want the makefiles to work right every time :) 21:48 <+iant> dho: the word "runtime" makes me think the problem is in cmd/gc/runtime.go 21:48 -!- r2p2 [n=billy@v32671.1blu.de] has left #go-nuts [] 21:49 <+iant> that file is used to generate builtin.c 21:49 < dho> did russ commit that middle-dot-to-period garble? 21:49 < happy> skelterjohn: that would be nice 21:49 <+iant> he committed some part of it 21:49 < dho> ...what a pain! 21:49 < dho> re-running make gets it to work again 21:49 < happy> skelterjohn: I do not even know why it does not work. I just updated now. And got an error. Then updated after make clean and it worked 21:50 < skelterjohn> happy: right - that's what dho and iant are discussing 21:50 < dho> you don't even need make clean, you can just run make twice. 21:50 < nsf> oh, btw, I had created a bindings for my C lib recently.. which uses 'select' internally.. how Go decides when to create a separate thread for a goroutine? because obviously it works with my lib 21:50 < nsf> and I didn't even use GOMAXPROCS 21:50 < dho> this is the first time net.TestDialGoogle has ever failed for me. 21:50 < jhh> is there a file, where "package runtime" appears in the second line? 21:51 -!- carllerche [n=carllerc@c-69-181-129-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 21:51 < dho> jhh: everything imports runtime 21:51 -!- pure_x01 [n=pure@c83-248-3-188.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #go-nuts 21:51 < dho> iant: isn't there some magic to get something listed by deps.bash? 21:52 < dho> maybe some new file isn't following some weird `inserted into the makefile in this way' restriction 21:52 -!- dju_ [i=dju@89-158-236-229.rev.dartybox.com] has joined #go-nuts 21:52 < jhh> set +x ? 21:52 <+iant> I'm willing to bet it has something to do with src/cmd/gc/{builtin.c,builtin.c.boot,runtime.go} although I don't know what 21:52 < dho> maybe 21:52 < dho> yeah 21:52 < dho> that's what i'm thinking 21:52 -!- nullpo [n=nullpo@221x252x46x83.ap221.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #go-nuts 21:53 -!- damjan [n=damjan@legolas.on.net.mk] has left #go-nuts ["Konversation terminated!"] 21:53 < dho> I'm willing to bet it's easy enough to reproduce by checking out release and pulling. 21:53 -!- carllerche [n=carllerc@c-69-181-129-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:54 -!- JSharpe2 [n=jamie@5ad673f4.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:54 -!- amacleod [n=amacleod@c-75-69-45-62.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Bye Bye"] 21:54 * dho tests with hg update release and hg update 21:55 < dho> INTERESTING. 21:55 < dho> /home/devon/golang/src/cmd/gc/builtin.c:3: error: expected `,' or `;' before `runtime' 21:55 < dho> /home/devon/golang/src/cmd/gc/builtin.c:82: error: expected `,' or `;' before `unsafe' 21:55 <+iant> oy, mkbuiltin uses the installed compiler to build the new builtin.c 21:55 -!- Wiz126 [i=Wiz126@72.20.220.31] has joined #go-nuts 21:55 -!- mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.14/2009090900]"] 21:55 < dho> yep 21:55 < dho> iant: not sure how to get around that one. 21:57 < dho> mmm 21:57 -!- dju [i=dju@89-158-236-229.rev.dartybox.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:59 < dho> this does have the side-effect that you can't revert from tip to release. 21:59 <+iant> you can still run make twice, I think 22:00 <+iant> I sent mail to the list 22:03 -!- deso [n=deso@x0561a.wh30.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:03 -!- trevor [n=trevor@adsl-70-143-44-82.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:03 -!- cmarcelo [n=cmarcelo@enlightenment/developer/cmarcelo] has quit ["leaving"] 22:04 < dho> i can't. 22:04 < dho> from tip->release 22:05 <+iant> why doesn't the new make regenerate builtin.c with the release version of the compiler? 22:06 < dho> because the release version hasn't been built yet 22:07 <+iant> the first time, sure, but doesn't it work the second time? Or does it fail to build 6g at all? 22:07 < dho> the failure is in gc 22:07 -!- prip [n=_prip@79.36.128.226] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:07 < dho> mkbuiltin doesn't fail, but the resulting builtin.c was generated by the new compiler 22:08 <+iant> right 22:08 < dho> and so you'd have to copy builtin.c.boot to builtin.c 22:08 <+iant> but does it go on to build and install 6g with the wrong builtin.c? 22:08 <+iant> or does it fail to build 6g? 22:08 < dho> it fails to build gc 22:08 < dho> 16:58 < dho> /home/devon/golang/src/cmd/gc/builtin.c:3: error: expected `,' or `;' before `runtime' 22:08 < dho> 16:58 < dho> /home/devon/golang/src/cmd/gc/builtin.c:82: error: expected `,' or `;' before `unsafe' 22:08 < dho> because the builtin.c is now invalid 22:09 <+iant> those errors come when building gc, or when building the Go libraries? 22:09 < dho> gc. 22:09 <+iant> bother 22:10 <+iant> I guess we need to force the copy of builtin.c.boot to builtin.c 22:10 < jhh> bison also complains about shift/reduce conflicts 22:10 < dho> jhh: it's been doing that for a while. 22:11 < dho> there's a ticket with that in the comments but i'm not sure it's been addressed or fixed 22:11 < dho> iant: but how do we tell if we need to force the copy? :\ 22:11 <+iant> no idea 22:11 < dho> i replied to your mail 22:11 < dho> short of version information in gc, i don't have any clue. 22:12 <+iant> of course, for 99% of users, using builtin.c.boot is the right thing to do 22:12 < dho> yeah 22:14 < dho> http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=406 22:15 < dho> is the issue where i comment on the shift/reduce conflicts. 22:15 < dho> I get them for both cc.y and gc.y, and i posted the state reports 22:16 -!- rogpeppe [n=rog@92.26.188.22] has quit [] 22:16 < jhh> do you figure it's worth thinking about how to resolve them? 22:16 < dho> russ says they should not happen, so yes. 22:17 < jhh> i 22:17 < jhh> i'm surprised the parser does work with those conflicts 22:18 -!- snearch [n=olaf@g225056187.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:19 -!- Boggy-B [n=rh275@raptor.ukc.ac.uk] has joined #go-nuts 22:19 < dho> Yeah, I still get it. 22:19 < dho> bison -y -d go.y 22:19 < dho> conflicts: 3 shift/reduce 22:19 < dho> go.y:953.9-956.9: warning: rule useless in parser due to conflicts: non_expr_type: '(' non_expr_type ')' 22:19 < dho> bison -y -d cc.y 22:19 < dho> conflicts: 3 shift/reduce 22:20 < dho> I don't know how to read the report files really 22:20 < goplexian> dho you're a cgo kinda guy right, which files inside go/src does cgo require, is it just the go/src/libcgo directory, or is it others as well, I'm talking about after building. 22:20 -!- pure_x01 [n=pure@c83-248-3-188.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Client Quit] 22:21 < dho> yes but I don't really understand the question 22:21 < jhh> i have bison 2.4.1 too 22:21 < dho> jhh: I guess it's a difference between 2.3 and 2.4 22:21 < dho> russ says they use 2.3 with their ubuntu there 22:21 -!- skelterjohn [n=jasmuth@lawn-net168-in.rutgers.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:21 -!- skelterjohn [n=jasmuth@lawn-net168-in.rutgers.edu] has joined #go-nuts 22:21 < goplexian> dho: just trying to figure out what can be removed/moved from go/src without breaking cgo/godoc 22:22 -!- mbarkhau [n=koloss@p54A7EDB2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:22 < jhh> maybe they changed something about some transformation rules. i'll look into the logfiles 22:22 < dho> ok 22:22 < dho> hrm 22:23 < dho> goplexian: Yes, libcgo is needed; also obviously runtime 22:24 -!- prip [n=_prip@host50-130-dynamic.36-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #go-nuts 22:24 -!- stalled [n=411@unaffiliated/stalled] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:25 < dho> I don't know about godoc 22:26 < dho> But I'd guess that whatever it has for its imports is sufficient 22:26 < goplexian> oh duh, thanks i'll check out the imports 22:26 < dho> np 22:29 < jhh> that's funny. bison writes german logfiles for me. feels weired 22:29 < dho> heh 22:30 < dho> nls ftl 22:31 -!- jajamana [n=jcb@cm-84.215.40.160.getinternet.no] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 22:32 -!- ptolomy2 [n=chatzill@216.239.45.130] has joined #go-nuts 22:32 -!- stalled [n=411@unaffiliated/stalled] has joined #go-nuts 22:36 < jhh> that's a decent amount of work to get through that 22:36 < dho> ? 22:37 < jhh> i would actually have to understand the grammar 22:37 < jhh> i guess 22:38 < jhh> it's easy to find the points of conflict, but it's hard to pinpoint it in the grammar and harder to fix it 22:38 < dho> I don't even understand why state 154 is a conflict 22:38 < dho> like, it doesn't give any information about why it thinks it is 22:40 < jhh> for me it's 8, 50 and 494 22:41 < jhh> in 8 it's at position "import_package . import_there" and doesn't know if to shift or reduce on LIMPORT 22:41 -!- frem [n=frem___@66.185.70.58] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:42 < jhh> why are our states numbered differently? 22:42 < jhh> :) 22:42 -!- gnuvince_ [n=vince@212.201-ppp.3menatwork.com] has joined #go-nuts 22:42 < dho> they're not, I just don't know how to read it :) 22:44 < jhh> i'll look at to tomorrow, good night! 22:44 -!- gnuvince [n=vince@70.35.164.104] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:46 -!- imsplitbit [n=imsplitb@64.39.4.132] has quit [] 22:46 < dho> nite! 22:52 < keesj> nsf: so you crearted a archlinux package? 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