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00:02 < plexdev> http://is.gd/7fE0x by [Nigel Tao] in 2 subdirs of
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00:18 < plexdev> http://is.gd/7fH7S by [Dean Prichard] in 4 subdirs of
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01:20 < plexdev> http://is.gd/7fSDS by [Ken Thompson] in go/src/pkg/reflect/
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01:36 < plexdev> http://is.gd/7fVFn by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/io/ -- io:
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01:52 < plexdev> http://is.gd/7fYI3 by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/reflect/ --
move comment on StringHeader to fix godoc output.
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02:24 < plexdev> http://is.gd/7g4Lx by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/ -- two
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03:33 < gtaylor> so are there any MUD servers written in Go yet?
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04:52 < hstimer> can I allocate a vector of 4 billion structs?
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04:56 <+iant> hstimer: no, only 2 billion
04:56 < hstimer> iant: why?  what is the top bit used for?  why aren't we
using 64 bit?
04:58 <+iant> actually, I'm wrong, it is 4 billion; it is a uint32
04:58 <+iant> sorry
04:59 <+iant> we are using 32-bit because slices are used a lot, but slices
with more than 4 billion elements are extremely rare
04:59 <+iant> if you need that many elements, you should use a different
data structure
04:59 < hstimer> which one?
04:59 <+iant> one that is suited for your applicatoin
05:00 <+iant> there isn't a general purpose one yet
05:00 < hstimer> a really big vector is suited perfectly -- not sparse, all
elements used
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05:02 < hstimer> of course it will suck if the gc is going to scan the
vector repeatedly
05:02 <+iant> well, it would have to if the vector elements contain pointers
05:02 <+iant> otherwise it won't
05:02 < hstimer> same with the new gc?
05:03 <+iant> with the new gc it should only need to scan when releasing the
vector
05:03 <+iant> at least that is the intention
05:03 < hstimer> better
05:03 < hstimer> :)
05:04 < hstimer> any eta on new gc?
05:04 <+iant> not that I know of
05:04 < hstimer> k.  thanks
05:15 < dissipate> what kind of programs is go good for?  is a replacement
for python?
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05:19 < dissipate> can you write a decent 3D engine in Go?
05:19 <+iant> I hope so
05:20 < dissipate> iant, what do you mean by 'i hope so?'
05:20 <+iant> I hope that it is possible to write a decent 3D engine in Go
05:20 <+iant> I can't think of any reason why you couldn't
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05:21 < dissipate> iant, and this would basically replace the crufty C++
based 3D engines?  is that the idea?
05:21 <+iant> It would be an alternative, at any rate
05:22 < dissipate> i guess i'm just not understanding which languages Go is
supposed to compete with.  C, C++, python, Java, all of the above?
05:22 <+iant> Go is aiming for the space between C/C++/Java and Python/Ruby
05:22 <+iant> it is fast to compile, and it runs fast too
05:22 <+iant> and it is (we think) easy to write
05:23 < dissipate> with no pointer arithmetic i don't think you could write
an OS in it.
05:23 < hstimer> I was hoping that it was aiming for c/cpp and
java/python/ruby
05:23 <+iant> you can pointer arithmetic if you need it via import "unsafe",
but it's awkward
05:24 < dissipate> hstimer, all of the above, eh?
05:24 <+iant> hstimer: yes, Java is really a group by itself--it's compiled,
but it isn't compiled to machine code
05:24 < hstimer> :)
05:24 < hstimer> and it is almost as big a pain as c++
05:25 < dissipate> java stinks.  c++ stinks, i'm not sure about ruby but
python is great, and c is mediocre.
05:25 < anticw> iant: so, wrt to finalizers ...  the reason for making it
runtime.XXX not new(x, Y) is because the later makes it a formal language
requirement?
05:25 < dissipate> hstimer, that's why they invented jython
05:25 < anticw> and the goal at this stage is just to make it implementation
dependant?
05:26 <+iant> anticw: I think Rob's argument was more that you could set the
finalizer after the object was initialized in a way that required finalization
05:26 <+iant> anticw: it shouldn't be implementation dependent
05:27 < anticw> iant: and presumably the finalizers will take 'x interface
{}' or something as their only argument?
05:27 <+iant> yes, I guess it would have to be something like that
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05:29 < dissipate> i want to run the go compiler on the plan 9 operating
system
05:29 < dissipate> anyone done this yet?
05:30 < anticw> i think someone is working on a port
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05:32 < dissipate> anyone here run Rob Pike's plan 9 os?
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08:00 < uriel> dissipate: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/os-ports
08:00 < uriel> dissipate: or in other words, Sape has allegedly a port
mostly working
08:00 < uriel> when will it be released, god knows
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09:12 < zeroXten> morning
09:17 < dissipate> zeroXten, good morning
09:24 < zeroXten> heya dissipate
09:26 < dissipate> zeroXten, so what brings you to go?
09:27 < zeroXten> hmmm, curiosity ;)
09:28 < zeroXten> i'm a sysadmin, not a developer so my C isnt particulary
strong.  I do like/need to code stuff from time to time and Go seems like a good
way to do certain stuff
09:28 < dissipate> yep, same here.
09:28 < zeroXten> ah cool
09:29 < dissipate> i thought maybe other scripting languages would be good
for sysadmin stuff.
09:29 < dissipate> python, perl, bash
09:31 < zeroXten> yeah, i probably use perl and bash the most..  a little
python and a little ruby
09:31 < zeroXten> i used Go to make a store-and-forward http MITM thingy for
a OTP system
09:34 < dissipate> cool
09:34 < dissipate> i haven't delved into go too much.  just skimming some of
the info.
09:34 < dissipate> so far it seems very cool.  definitely heads and
shoulders above c++ or java.
09:35 < dissipate> im also checking out the plan9 operating system, another
creation of rob pike's
09:36 < zeroXten> can't say..  have only ever used java to write a simple
android app and Processing...  never used c++ iirc
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13:28 < wwkeyboard> What is the predominant way to do testing in go?
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13:33 < LuitvD> wwkeyboard: like debugging or unit-tests?
13:33 < wwkeyboard> unit-tests
13:33 < wwkeyboard> I found gospecify
13:33 < wwkeyboard> is that the 'rspec' of the go world?
13:34 < LuitvD> dunno
13:34 < LuitvD> but there is a testing framework
13:34 < LuitvD> http://golang.org/doc/go_faq.html#How_do_I_write_a_unit_test
13:37 < wwkeyboard> thanks
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15:58 < LuitvD> there, I'm done with Java
15:59 < LuitvD> must be the ugliest code I've ever written
16:03 < MissPiggy> ....
16:03 < MissPiggy> still on this java hate stuff
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16:04 < MissPiggy> for what 3 days running?
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16:27 < hstimer> how fast is the go interpreter compared to lua?
16:27 <+iant> Go is not normally interpreted
16:27 <+iant> are you asking about the exp/eval package?
16:27 <+iant> that's a good question, no idea
16:28 < hstimer> yes; the exp/eval pack
16:28 < hstimer> change of subject; gc
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16:29 < hstimer> if I have a vector of 4 billion structs and there are just
ints in the struct, is the current gc smart enough not to walk the entire vector?
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16:30 <+iant> yes
16:30 < hstimer> yea!
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18:54 < LuitvD> hi!
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19:10 < smw> hi
19:10 < LuitvD> :)
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19:12 < LuitvD> I really need some time off
19:12 < LuitvD> I'm completely depleted
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19:22 < dagle> Hmmm.  Is +R really needed anymore?
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21:02 < plexdev> http://is.gd/7jvZB by [Devon H. O'Dell] in go/src/pkg/math/
-- math: Change veryclose to close for Sinh and Exp tests.
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21:19 < plexdev> http://is.gd/7jzlR by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/time/ -- fix
bug in tick
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22:04 <+iant> what did happen to gopaste.org?  Did Alex give up on it or
did it just fail for some reason?
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22:05 < LuitvD> iunno
22:05 < LuitvD> shame Go won't work on my server
22:05 < LuitvD> I'd build a new gopaste in a heartbeat
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22:08 < dho> iant: I don't know :\
22:08 < dho> Don't think anyone does.  It's a pity, really.
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22:15 < LuitvD> if only the xen issues could be solved...
22:16 < LuitvD> (stupid para-virtualisation)
22:16 < dho> I just emailed alex
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22:17 < LuitvD> I thinks it's a case of unfortunately peanut butter
22:17 < emelpy> Hey guys, I am having trouble building Go. I found a ticket
that mentions the exact same issues i am having
(http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=157) but there doesn't seem to be a
resolution.  Anyone have any ideas for me?
22:18 <+iant> you are getting "can't create output file" for a .o file?
22:18 < emelpy> yep
22:19 < emelpy> I'm on OS X Snow Leopard
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22:19 <+iant> what happens if you do "touch Users/tof/go/src/lib9/foo.o" ?
22:20 <+iant> sorry, touch /Users/tof/go/src/lib9/foo.o
22:21 < emelpy> ah, i get permission denied
22:22 < dho> did you check out as root and then exit root's shell before
building or something like that?
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22:22 < dho> (did you literally type touch /Users/tof/go/src/lib9/foo.o and
your $GOROOT is not /Users/tof/go?)
22:23 < emelpy> nah, i changed /Users/tof/go to my actual go root
(/Users/cmadd/Code/go)
22:23 * LuitvD throws a one-man-applause
22:24 < dho> emelpy: then it must be the former?
22:24 < emelpy> yeah, it looks like i ran "sudo hg clone -r release
https://go.googlecode.com/hg/ $GOROOT"
22:24 < emelpy> would that be my problem?
22:25 < dagle> emelpy: Why sudo?
22:25 < dho> emelpy: yes
22:25 < dho> please feel free to update the ticket to explain what happened;
perhaps it can be closed.
22:25 < emelpy> ah, i put sudo in because i was originally try to install it
in a protected directory
22:25 < emelpy> it's actually not my ticket
22:26 < dho> yes
22:26 < dho> but it's likely the same issue
22:26 < emelpy> just someone else that must have done the same as me
22:26 <+iant> I added a comment to the issue saying that the reporter ran
the chmod in the wrong place
22:26 < dho> ok
22:26 < dho> cool
22:27 < LuitvD> lol
22:27 < LuitvD> I'm gone
22:27 < emelpy> so should delete my go directory and checkout again without
sudo privileges?
22:27 <+iant> that's not the only way to fix it, but it would be a good idea
to do that in any case
22:27 < LuitvD> chown -R cmadd $GOROOT
22:27 < LuitvD> ?
22:27 < LuitvD> is that right?
22:28 < LuitvD> (with sudo ofc.)
22:29 < emelpy> LuitvD: That worked for me.  Thanks :)
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22:30 < emelpy> also thanks dho and iant.  i'm now up and running
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