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01:04 < emelpy> is it problematic to have multiple goroutines doing IO
simultaneously?
01:06 < slashus2> emelpy: If they are not properly synchronized, yes.
01:08 < emelpy> so i can't just start up to two goroutines that read from
the disk without making sure that only one is attempting to read at a time?
01:08 < vsmatck> You can have multiple concurrent readers.
01:08 < vsmatck> This is the readers-writers problem.
01:09 < emelpy> hmm, that's what i thought
01:09 < vsmatck> But if you write you need synchronization.
01:10 < emelpy> so having to goroutines attempting to read from the disk at
the same time won't cause a seg fault?
01:10 < tml_> are they writing to the same file?  to the same offset?  or
into different offsets, or different files even...?
01:11 < emelpy> they are reading from completely different files
01:11 < tml_> just reading/writing to "the disk" doesn't say much
01:11 < tml_> why would that be a problem then?
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01:13 < emelpy> well, i didn't think it would be but code that works
linearly is seg faulting when i parallelize it.  i'm new to go so i must be
screwing something up elsewhere
01:13 < vsmatck> I think that a lot when I program.  "why would it be a
problem if I did x".  I'm often wrong.  ;)
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01:21 < emelpy> can anyone see anything glaringly wrong with my main
function.  it works with one input file but seqfaults with two
01:21 < emelpy> http://pastebin.com/m1014aa30
01:26 < tav> anyone around?
01:27 < smw> nope
01:27 < tav> excellent =)
01:28 < tav> was hoping ppl could review and suggest improvements to
http://github.com/tav/ampify/blob/master/amp/runtime/runtime.go
01:28 < tav> the aim being to automatically detect the number of CPUs for
use with runtime.GOMAXPROCS()
01:29 < smw> tav: this is way out of my league :-P
01:29 < tav> damn
01:31 < tav> there isn't enough go code in "usage" to figure out if i'm
doing something in a stupid way or not =(
01:32 < smw> tav: doesn't this require $GOOS to be in place on the users
machine?
01:33 < smw> tav: that does not seem very practical to me...
01:33 < smw> tav: it looks like it will work on a developers machine...  but
not a users machine
01:35 < tav> hmz
01:35 < tav> good point
01:36 < Kashia> emelpy, http://pastebin.com/m61fd8957 this does not segfault
01:36 < smw> tav: this is still beyond my league.  I could not tell you if
you are doing anything right.
01:36 < tml_> tav: doesnt't syscall.OS tell the OS?
01:38 < smw> tml_: it does
01:40 < tav> aha!
01:40 < tav> thanks tml_
01:41 < tav> updated
http://github.com/tav/ampify/blob/master/amp/runtime/runtime.go with creds to you
guys in the commit msg
01:45 < Kashia> tav, how about using io/ioutil and ReadAll() to make it
smaller?
01:45 < smw> tav: you can also setup the makefile so it will choose which
function to use based GOOS.  That way it will not have to check each time.  That
is the way syscall does it
01:45 < Kashia> or wait, that'd probably be exec.Exec() :)
01:48 < tav> Kashia: exec.Run() ? (if so, that doesn't seem to provide any
line savings...?)
01:48 < Kashia> yes, forgive me, not enough sleep kills my brain :)
01:49 < tav> smw: good idea, but is it really worth it for a function like
this that won't be getting called more than a few times in a process ?
01:49 < Kashia> but it'd remove the Pipe clutter a littler, no?
01:50 < smw> tav: meh, probably not.
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01:52 < tav> Kashia: i'm looking at the exec.go source atm — and unless i'm
missing something (which is the likely case...), i don't see how it'd help remove
anything...  ?
01:53 < tav> on a related note to the Makefile splitting, has anyone had any
luck with using "foo/bar/spam" packages in the Makefiles?
01:54 < tav> despite reading
https://groups.google.com/group/golang-nuts/browse_thread/thread/374b2ff08c14410e
— i haven't been able to figure out how the Makefiles should look like now
01:55 < smw> isn't there like a quick guide on golang?
01:56 * tav looks at http://golang.org/doc/code.html again
01:56 < smw> tav http://golang.org/doc/code.html
01:56 < smw> damn it
01:56 < smw> lol
01:56 < tav> hehe
01:56 < tav> thx though!
01:56 < smw> I was beaten by the person I was trying to help.  That is a new
one :-P
01:57 < tav> well, you did provide the pointer first...
01:58 < smw> lol
01:58 * smw goes back to configuring his new arch system
01:59 < tav> arch as in the dvcs ?
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01:59 < smw> dvcs?
01:59 < tav> distributed version control system
01:59 < smw> no
02:00 < smw> as in the linux distro
02:00 < tav> ah!
02:00 < smw> kubuntu ticked me off for the last time.
02:00 < smw> so I installed arch without knowing what I was getting myself
into
02:01 < smw> did you know that they have a different package for keyboard
and mouse drivers for X?!
02:01 < smw> lol
02:01 * smw stops ranting
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02:02 < tav> nope
02:02 < tav> ^ in response to kbd/mouse drivers
02:03 < smw> tav: you can imagine how anoying it was trying to figure out
why keyboard and mouse did not work ;-)
02:04 < tav> heh
02:04 < tav> how *does* one install the package when those don't work ?
02:04 < tav> i guess they do provide a shell ?
02:04 < smw> of course
02:05 < smw> bash is a necessity.  It is considered important enough that
even arch installs it by default
02:06 * tav wonders if bash is on the iphone by default
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02:12 < tav> araujo: what kind of things are you interested in?
02:12 < tav> perhaps port sass to go?  =)
02:12 < tav> http://sass-lang.com/
02:13 < araujo> tav, GUI , some system programming
02:13 < smw> is there a way to use dbus in go?
02:14 < smw> I would also like to see a copy of shutils from python
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04:35 < plexdev> http://is.gd/7saPf by [Ian Lance Taylor] in go/test/bugs/
-- Fix expected string.
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04:58 < tav> hmz
04:59 < tav> is there a way to compile files without it complaining that
modules/variables are unused ?
05:00 < tav> i find that to be the biggest cause of productivity slow down
in trying things out
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05:35 <+iant> tav: you can use a variable by adding a statement like "_ = v"
at the end of the function
05:35 <+iant> the special name underscore is a sink variable
05:36 < tav> iant: yup, been using that trick
05:37 < tav> hmz
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05:38 < tav> maybe my approach is retarded, but i tend to try one approach,
and then just comment out and try another which leaves some dangling
variables/packages
05:39 <+iant> the underscore method is the only way to avoid the error,
unfortunatley
05:39 < tav> but that requires having to then (a) comment out the unused
packages and (b) renaming some variables using the _ approach
05:40 <+iant> you can use the underscore trick with unused packages too, as
in import _ "fmt"
05:40 < tav> but then to try something else, sometimes requires reverting
the changes back
05:40 <+iant> yes
05:40 <+iant> well, you never have to revert the _ = a changes
05:40 <+iant> those are always OK
05:40 < tav> aha!
05:40 < tav> that bit hadn't occurred to me — thanks!
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05:42 < tav> on an aside iant: any chance you could tell me if
http://github.com/tav/ampify/blob/master/amp/runtime/runtime.go and
http://github.com/tav/ampify/blob/master/amp/command/command.go are idiomatic or
whether i should use a different approach in places?
05:45 <+iant> tav: seems fine to me
05:46 < tav> thanks
05:50 < anticw> iant: is there any reason we dont have a compiler flag to
avoid bounds checking?
05:52 <+iant> anticw: 6g/8g actually do have such an option, albeit
undocumented: -B
05:53 < anticw> iant: heh, sorry, i should have looked harder
05:53 < anticw> thanks
05:57 < anticw> iant: btw, i'm starting to see long and a little painful GC
times at the moment
05:57 < anticw> mostly it's ok, but sometimes it feels like java from the
old days when the universe has to stop and regather itself for 5s or so
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05:58 <+iant> that can definitely happen--that's why we are rewriting the GC
05:58 <+iant> if there is a good time, you can force a GC by calling
malloc.GC
05:59 < anticw> iant: yeah, there is never a good time, or else i would do
that
06:00 <+iant> let's see, there is also a GOGC environment variable
06:00 < anticw> iant: it's 700MB of data streaming down and ends up being
about 1.2GB of data stored in core when it's near done ...  the streaming,
decompression, sorting and merging of the data is all done over multiple
goroutines
06:00 < anticw> iant: well, part of the problem is that the streaming of the
data has 2.9M lines ...  so things like line, err := br.ReadString('\n')
06:00 < anticw> probably makes a LOT of little allocations
06:00 < anticw> i could tweak the code to reuse some buffers/state
06:01 <+iant> I expect that would help
06:01 < anticw> but that seems pointless given the GC might/should get
better in time
06:01 <+iant> there is that, yes
06:01 < anticw> yeah, but for now i want to avoid that
06:01 < anticw> i mean, java really really sucked in terms of it's GC once
...  now, well, i dont think i could claim that
06:01 < anticw> i dont really use java but plenty of people i know do and
there is a lot at work, and i never see it stammer like it once used t
06:01 < anticw> to
06:03 < anticw> the worst it seems is about 7s ...  at which point the GC
has to scan ~1.5GB of ram to release ~500MB or so ...  keeping the rest as
millions of strings
06:04 < anticw> ok, so about 18M strings ...  so it's not doing too badly
06:06 < anticw> iant: aiui the proposed GC will potentially be fully async
and not require stopping any goroutines right?
06:06 <+iant> right
06:06 <+iant> at least, I think so
06:06 < anticw> s/think/hope/ ?
06:06 < anticw> :)
06:07 < plexdev> http://is.gd/7sojW by [Rob Pike] in go/doc/devel/ -- the
package global name space problem is addressed; update road map
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06:24 < plexdev> http://is.gd/7sqM4 by [Rob Pike] in go/src/cmd/godoc/ --
Fix redirection if the page is in a subdirectory.
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06:34 < drhodes> besides satisfying the signature requirements of an
interface, are there any other restrictions that would be keep a type from being
recognizable as a valid argument?
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06:38 < anticw> drhodes: if the requirements aren't met the compiler tells
you what is missing
06:38 < drhodes> cannot use x (type *module.X) as type *module.MyInterface
in function argument
06:38 < anticw> drhodes: what error(s) are you seeing?
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06:39 < anticw> is that the exact text or somehting you paraphrased?
06:39 < drhodes> I generalized it
06:39 < drhodes> test_connections.go:34: cannot use clist (type
*choice.ChoiceList) as type *connections.Flowable in function argument
06:40 < anticw> both are interfaces?
06:40 < plexdev> http://is.gd/7stbL by [Rob Pike] in go/doc/devel/ -- add
link to go build dashboard.
06:40 < anticw> ie.  ChoiceList isn't a type type that implements the
Flowable interface?
06:41 < drhodes> Flowable is an interface.  ChoiceList has a method with
signature that exists in Flowable
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18:04 < hstimer> has anyone written a webserver in go yet?
18:07 < jA_cOp> well golang.org is hosted in Go :V
18:09 < donpdonp> http://www.getwebgo.com/
18:09 < donpdonp> is a web framework, not sure if thats what you mean or
something more like apache
18:10 < hstimer> just a simple static file server
18:10 < donpdonp> id like that too
18:10 < donpdonp> add V8 to do server-side processing of javascript in the
.html files
18:11 < donpdonp> and that would rock.
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18:12 < hstimer> webgo will probably work for me
18:12 < XniX23> hello again
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18:33 < Discoloda> is there a blog post about reading binary formats in go?
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18:37 < Discoloda> or anything about how to do it quickly
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18:48 < plexdev> http://is.gd/7uM4V by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/ -- gc:
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19:34 < plexdev> http://is.gd/7uWdb by [Petar Maymounkov] in
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19:34 < plexdev> http://is.gd/7uWds by [Russ Cox] in go/misc/dashboard/ --
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20:50 < mrx1> Hi. I'm wondering if there is any freeware usable app written
in Go? I would like to see how well it works :)
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20:52 < bortzmeyer> There is a good Twitter client
http://codingrobots.org/p/gotweet/doc/tip/www/index.wiki
20:55 < mrx1> Are there any views for GUI libraries for Go ?
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20:56 < tml_> mrx1: it's probably too early in the language lifespan for
that
20:56 < araujo> I think there are already gtk+ bindings
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21:02 < uriel> mrx1: 'freeware'?
21:02 < uriel> I have no clue what that means, but there are plenty of Go
apps: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/go-code
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21:03 < uriel> and what are 'views for GUI libraries'?  As araujo pointed
out, there are bindings for a some toolkits:
http://go-lang.cat-v.org/library-bindings
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21:08 < tml_> the gtk+ binding is probably more or less pointless to do
manually now when there will be introspection in gtk+ soon, exactly to make it
easier to create bindings
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22:09 < Discoloda> im getting a bad ref count ...
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22:39 < Discoloda> http://pastebin.com/m1a997518
22:40 < Discoloda> happens in encoding/binary
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22:41 < smw> Discoloda: the source would probably help people.  I have never
seen it before
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22:46 < Discoloda> http://pastebin.com/d658a1be in Load
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23:22 < plexdev> http://is.gd/7vIhg by [Russ Cox] in 5 subdirs of go/ --
nacl: fix build, finally fixed 8l convergence bug
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23:53 < plexdev> http://is.gd/7vOEo by [Rob Pike] in 13 subdirs of go/ --
Change type of Printf's args to ...  interface{}
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23:56 < smw> does ...  T work now?
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