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00:21 < adu> smw: if i were you, i would use Write()
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00:45 < easytiger> anyone done anything large in go yet?
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00:56 < plexdev> http://is.gd/8Y0ry by [Andrew Gerrand] in go/doc/ --
go_mem: clarified unbuffered channel sync example
00:56 < plexdev> http://is.gd/8Y0rN by [Nigel Tao] in go/src/pkg/xgb/ -- Fix
xgb/example.go typo.
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01:12 < plexdev> http://is.gd/8Y3JP by [Charles L. Dorian] in
go/src/pkg/math/ -- math: add lgamma; in-line special cases of acosh, nextafter
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01:22 < smw> For some reason when I run this program:
http://pastebin.com/d3663d5bc the variable size is set to 4096.  That seems like a
very round number.  Anyone know what would cause that?
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02:05 < smw> For some reason when I run this program:
http://pastebin.com/d3663d5bc the variable size is set to 4096.  That seems like a
very round number.  Anyone know what would cause that?
02:06 < aho> 4kb buffer, i guess
02:07 < smw> Isn't the buffer the variable?
02:07 < smw> how would I get arround the limitation?
02:07 < anticw> it gave you 4k
02:07 < anticw> loop to get more
02:09 < smw> anticw: I am now trying that, and I am getting weird results...
02:10 < smw> let me pastebin what I have now
02:10 < smw> http://pastebin.com/d384ba092
02:12 < anticw> that code doesn't make sense
02:12 < smw> probably...
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02:12 < anticw> well, sorry, i take that back
02:13 < anticw> why not just loop reading and bail out on os.EOF & error?
02:13 < anticw> why the copy?
02:13 < smw> What do you mean?
02:13 < smw> I really do not understand this.
02:14 < anticw> each time you get get 2k
02:14 < smw> yeah
02:14 < anticw> into part
02:14 < smw> oh
02:14 < anticw> then you copy that into body ...  and update pos
02:14 < anticw> at some point you need body = body[0:pos]
02:14 < anticw> to set then len
02:14 < smw> yeah, that is not really smart.  I can take out the part
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02:17 < smw> anticw: it is still only going up to 4096
02:17 < smw> let me pastebin
02:18 < anticw> http://pastebin.com/dea2ec68
02:18 < anticw> does that work?
02:18 < smw> http://pastebin.com/d973375f
02:19 < anticw> what URL are you using?
02:19 < smw> google.com
02:19 < anticw> i just compiled the version i put up ...  it looks to work
but you get < 4k
02:19 < anticw> there isn't 4k to get
02:19 < smw> ...
02:20 < smw> so where is the 4k comming from?
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02:21 < smw> anticw: yours works...
02:22 < smw> anticw: I have no idea why mine failed though
02:22 < anticw> what os?
02:22 < anticw> i dont think you're getting 4k
02:22 < smw> amd64 linux
02:22 < anticw> strace it
02:22 < anticw> pastebin that
02:22 < smw> yours or mine?
02:22 < anticw> your code
02:23 < anticw> well, let me try what you have
02:23 < anticw> why the null byte chopping?
02:23 < anticw> what's that for?
02:24 < anticw> bbl, kids
02:24 < smw> anticw: the null chopping is so that when I print it, I don't
get garbage
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02:54 < smw> can someone tell me which library to use for running another
program from go?
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02:59 < sladegen> smw: try exec
02:59 < smw> thanks, I guess I did not see it when I looked though XD
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03:01 < sladegen> smw: btw http://go.pastie.org/838061
03:02 < smw> anticw: fixed it for me
03:02 < smw> wow.  that is useful
03:03 < sladegen> still can't account for slight difference (probably google
reacts differently to wget), anyway, silly low level language ;)
03:03 < smw> thanks for telling me about that
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03:26 < anticw> smw: you don't update the length of body after the copy
03:27 < smw> anticw: I just decided to use yours
03:27 < smw> actually, I think I will switch to sladegen's
03:27 < anticw> how is that different?
03:28 < smw> http://go.pastie.org/838061
03:29 < anticw> yeah, that works, you can also use things like io.Copy
03:30 < smw> I wish someone had just told me about bytes.NewBuffer.
sladegen did not have to make an example for me :-)
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04:45 < plexdev> http://is.gd/8YHPU by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/net/ -- net:
disable UDP server test
04:45 < plexdev> http://is.gd/8YHQ8 by [Russ Cox] in
go/src/pkg/runtime/linux/ -- runtime: work around Linux kernel bug in futex
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05:01 < plexdev> http://is.gd/8YKHU by [Rob Pike] in go/src/cmd/goyacc/ --
goyacc: fix handling of / and comments in goyacc
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09:57 < Surma> Hey guys.  I don't know if I'm blind or something, but is
there a way to get all the keys used in a map (and/or traverse a map)?
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10:21 < taruti> for key,value := range mymap { ...  } ?
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16:37 < gzmask> what's wrong with my code?  I want to list files under
current directory:
16:37 < gzmask> file, _ := os.Open("./", os.O_RDWR, 0644)
16:37 < gzmask> 23 dir, _ := file.Stat();
16:37 < gzmask> 24 fmt.Print(dir);
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16:37 < gzmask> gives me : SIGBUS: bus error
16:37 < gzmask> Faulting address: 0x0
16:37 < gzmask> pc: 0x159f8
16:39 < rsaarelm> I'm pretty sure that's not the way to read directory
contents.
16:40 < rsaarelm> You're trying to read the dir as a file, and things don't
work that way at the abstraction level you're at.
16:41 < gzmask> hmm, I know, but I follow the documentation on golang.org
16:41 < gzmask> func (file *File) Stat() (dir *Dir, err Error)
16:41 < gzmask> Stat returns the Dir structure describing file.  It returns
the Dir and an error, if any.
16:41 < uriel> did you try with other mode?
16:42 < gzmask> tried func (file *File) Readdir(count int) (dirs []Dir, err
Error), doesn't work too
16:42 < uriel> what os you are on?
16:42 < rsaarelm> Ah, you are supposed to be able to use File for dirs as
well?
16:42 < gzmask> mac osX
16:43 < uriel> sounds trange, might be a bug?
16:43 < gzmask> yea, at least the documentation indicates so
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16:43 < gzmask> what OS you uses, uriel?
16:43 < uriel> linux
16:44 < gzmask> does Readdir work there?
16:45 < sinuhe> uriel: Which distro?
16:46 < uriel> gzmask: why don't you use Stat() directly?
16:46 < uriel> (os.Stat())
16:46 < uriel> sinuhe: does it matter?  and btw, I use more than just linux,
but for go hacking I use linux
16:47 < sinuhe> uriel: Curiosity only.
16:48 * uriel is learning to pick his battles, arguing over linux distros is not
one of his priorities ;)
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16:49 < gzmask> uriel: os.Stat(string) works
16:49 < uriel> (I will just say that Ubuntu, RedHat/fedora, Suse/Novell are
all awful)
16:49 < sinuhe> uriel: No flame war intended.
16:49 < gzmask> uriel: file* Stat() deosn't...  wired.  should I file a bug?
16:50 < uriel> gzmask: you might want to post to the mailing list in any
case, there is a test for File.Stat() on a 'normal' file, but not on dirs, so it
doesn't seem to be covered by the standard test suite, so there could be an
overlooked bug there
16:50 < uriel> yea, at least I would submit a patch adding a test to not
only test File.Stat() on 'normal' files
16:51 < gzmask> I tried file.Stat() on normal file.  gives empty dir array
16:51 < uriel> even if it is supposed to fail, would be good to test for
that then
16:52 < gzmask> where is the test file that uses File.Stat() uriel?
16:53 < uriel> see src/pkg/os/os_test.go TestFstat
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16:56 < gzmask> in that code, File.Stat() doesn't get verify to return the
directory files, it just returns the file statistics
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16:56 < gzmask> anyway, os.Stat() is good enough for my purpose.  Thanks
uriel
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17:04 < uriel> gzmask: well, as I said, submiting a more complete test would
be a good idea, if you are not up to it I might give it a try myself
17:06 < gzmask> hi uriel, I am still very new to the whole corllabrating
development thing and still learning.  If you can do that, it'll be a lot faster I
guess
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17:12 < gzmask> anyone here attending Google IO this year?
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17:18 < anticw> i might
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17:30 <+iant> I'm looking at adding Go support to SWIG
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18:04 < skelterjohn> smw: perhaps google made its main page exactly 2^12
bytes?
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18:10 < russell_h> anyone have a second to help me with a *way* noob
question?
18:10 <+iant> ask your question and see what happens
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18:11 < uriel> russell_h: never ask to ask, just ask
18:12 < russell_h> how do I write an http response to an http connection?
I'm trying to make a really simple proxy, and am totally new to Go, etc.  Around
line 11: http://dpaste.org/BTw6
18:13 < uriel> "Snippet you have searched is not available (anymore)."
18:14 < russell_h> oops, missed the / : http://dpaste.org/BTw6/
18:14 < russell_h> I don't care about preserving headers at this point
either
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18:29 <+iant> russell_h: I think you want response.Write(c)
18:29 <+iant> in your HelloServer function
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18:34 < russell_h> iant: ah, I think you're right
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18:40 < russell_h> iant: thanks, its vaguely sorta working now
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18:42 < no_mind> looking at the net package documentation, I can see
functions for TCP and UDP but I cant figure out how to access raw sockets.  Any
pointers ?
18:44 < skelterjohn> not meaning to imply that you don't need raw sockets,
but...  what would you use raw sockets for?
18:44 < skelterjohn> (and I don't have any pointers for you)
18:45 < no_mind> what if I want to write a new protocol ?
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18:47 <+iant> no_mind: support for raw sockets is a TODO
18:47 < no_mind> ok
18:48 < no_mind> I was writing a SMTP client in GO. My earlier
implementations in other languages used raw sockets, so that was the first thing I
was looking for
18:49 <+iant> you're running SMTP over something other than TCP?
18:49 < no_mind> nope
18:49 <+iant> no_mind: the net package does support TCP sockets
18:49 <+iant> To me "raw socket" means a socket which is not using IP
18:50 < no_mind> iant, same here
18:50 < no_mind> iant, I was planning to write client for some other
protocols, which might not use IP
18:50 < no_mind> or tcp
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18:52 <+iant> Huh, my chat client just crashed
18:52 < xlq> not surprised
18:52 <+iant> ?
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19:05 < gzmask> try command line base chat client, iant.  perfectly suitable
for work, if you job is coding and you uses vim
19:06 <+iant> I don't use vim; the advantage of pidgin is that it aggregates
my IRC and non-IRC chats in the same interface
19:07 <+iant> there is an emacs IRC client I could use, of course
19:07 < xlq> bitlbee ftw
19:07 < dho> i really hate the pidgin irc interface.
19:08 < no_mind> Xchat still seems to be the most stable IRC client after
command line :)
19:09 < vegai> irssi + bitlbee and there you go :)
19:09 < skelterjohn> colloquy on the mac?  :)
19:10 < skelterjohn> never had any stability issues
19:10 < no_mind> or write a new Xchat client in GO!
19:10 <+iant> in fairness that is the first time that pidgin has crashed on
me in years
19:10 < xlq> an Xchat client?  O_o
19:10 <+iant> I'm usually connecting and disconnecting because I'm carrying
my laptop around
19:11 < skelterjohn> isn't Xchat a particular client?
19:11 < xlq> yes
19:11 < skelterjohn> with regards to creating a new IRC client in go...  I
haven't fooled around at all with go and UIs
19:12 < skelterjohn> I know there is a package doing some stuff with X11
19:12 < skelterjohn> but X11 apps usually look like crap on the mac
19:12 < gzmask> I use Conversation on Mac
19:13 < xlq> How can X11 look like crap?  It just draws what the client
telss it.
19:13 < gzmask> I think he mean X11 app doesn't integrate well on Mac OS
19:14 < gzmask> like Command/Control key binding, look/feel etc.
19:14 < no_mind> oops I meant IRC client :)
19:15 < skelterjohn> also, all X11 windows are attached to the X11
application
19:15 < skelterjohn> so things like cmd-tabbing through them doesn't work
the same as other os x apps
19:16 < skelterjohn> it could also be that the X11 libraries people use for
UIs tend to look dumb on the mac
19:16 < skelterjohn> when every other window i see looks slick and modern
19:17 < no_mind> X11 needs some modernization
19:18 < skelterjohn> the ideas behind it are great
19:18 < skelterjohn> i love being able to use my lab's workhorse computer
from other linux machines with no trouble
19:18 < skelterjohn> and from my mac with some inconvenience
19:19 < skelterjohn> and it's really apple's fault for having the command
key for shortcuts rather than the control key
19:20 < gzmask> but the control key's position is so wrong compare to
command key
19:20 < skelterjohn> control = pinky
19:20 < skelterjohn> no problem
19:20 < gzmask> try control+z if you have big hands
19:20 < smw> anyone know if there is a smtp lib?
19:20 < skelterjohn> pinky-ring finger
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19:21 < smw> smtp client*
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19:21 < skelterjohn> and my hands are plenty big.  i figure.  i dunno
haven't really done comparisons
19:21 < skelterjohn> but i guess you're right
19:21 < gzmask> after I became a mac user, I mapped my control key to win
key
19:21 < skelterjohn> using the thumb on command is a bit more ergonomic
19:21 < gzmask> and feels a lot better that way
19:21 < skelterjohn> since it doesn't immobilize or limit any of your other
fingers
19:23 < skelterjohn> but it's really only an issue for me when i have both
schemes on the same computer, like with X11 on os x
19:23 < no_mind> smw, I guess nope, that is why I am writing one :)
19:23 < skelterjohn> i don't know how X11 integration works on windows, if
at all
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19:29 < KirkMcDonald> I think the answer is "with Cygwin."
19:32 < skelterjohn> what about remote desktop sort of stuff
19:32 < skelterjohn> on my mac i can "ssh -X" to a linux machine, and it
will all work
19:32 < skelterjohn> can i do that with cygwin?
19:34 < smw> no_mind: I was just about to write one.  I read through the RFC
:-(
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19:35 < no_mind> smw, I guess my client should be available over weekend.  I
have managed to negotiate a connection with SMTP server.
19:36 < smw> no_mind: are you going to submit it as a std lib?
19:36 < KirkMcDonald> skelterjohn: I believe so.
19:36 < skelterjohn> well, that's good, then
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19:37 < no_mind> smw, yes, wither as a standard lib or over
go-lang.cat-v.org .
19:38 < no_mind> smw, I will push the code in git repo tomorrow, so ping me
to get the details of git repo.  You can test as the code is developed
19:38 < smw> cool
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19:59 < vegai> hmh, my pre-existing older system-wide installation of go is
preventing a successful building of a more recent release...
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20:01 < vegai> or actually, it builds fine but all the tests fail
20:08 < plexdev> http://is.gd/91Enr by [Russ Cox] in go/ -- add Mark
Zavislak (Google) to CONTRIBUTORS
20:08 < plexdev> http://is.gd/91EnL by [Mark Zavislak] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/crypto/ -- crypto package documentation fix
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20:20 < gzmask> how do I get golang on edge?  hg update instead of hg update
release?
20:24 < vegai> yeah, releases are just tags?
20:25 < gzmask> my guess is that release sets you back to some stable
version number
20:26 < gzmask> I am used to subversion so I duno a bout the branch thing
20:26 < vegai> that question mark of mine was misplaced
20:26 < vegai> I meant to assert, not ask :)
20:27 < vegai> and tags are just what they sound like, names for specific
revisions
20:28 < gzmask> ok cool.  I took away the release tag and the compilation
result gives 0 bugs.  all cool now.  b4 it was 2 known bugs
20:29 < vegai> hg summary will tell you about the revision you're at
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20:30 < gzmask> yea it does
20:30 < gzmask> what happen if I commit my code revision?
20:31 < gzmask> does it branch from the default?
20:32 < gzmask> I guess I need to password to commit lol
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20:37 < skelterjohn> i do "hg pull -u"
20:37 < skelterjohn> i think that's the most recent commit
20:39 < gzmask> is there a documentation team working on docs?  The docs for
libraries are really lacking
20:39 <+iant> no
20:39 <+iant> but specific complaints, or even better patches, would be
helpful
20:40 * gzmask like : func Open(name string, flag int, perm int) (file *File, err
Error)
20:40 * gzmask Open opens the named file with specified flag (O_RDONLY etc.) and
perm, (0666 etc.) if applicable.  If successful, methods on the returned File can
be used for I/O.  It returns the File and an Error, if any.
20:40 < gzmask> what is other flags?
20:41 <+iant> gzmask: http://golang.org/pkg/os/#Constants
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20:42 < dho> gzmask: they're the same as arguments to open(2)
20:42 < dho> But I agree, a lot of the documentation could use work.
20:44 < gzmask> ahh i see.  If the document style is consistent then I will
probably get used to it and know how to search around.  Now I am more used to the
Rdoc from ruby world, and something like rails guide style docs(scenario based) is
really nice to newbs like me too
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20:47 < gzmask> Hey iant, it feels like your are from google?  coz you know
these stuff so well.  are you working with golang as your full time job?
20:47 <+iant> yes, I work at Google, and, yes, Go is my full time job
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20:49 < gzmask> I see...  is it true that google is using bloom box to power
their data center?  are you guys planning on releasing some more info at Google IO
at May?
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20:50 <+iant> I don't actually know anything about a bloom box at Google; I
saw the article and I have no reason to think it is wrong, but I don't know
20:50 <+iant> Google is a big company
20:51 <+iant> we will be doing a Go presentation at Google I/O, but I doubt
we will be revealing anything new
20:51 <+iant> we are doing development in the open, so there won't be any
surprises for people who are following the project
20:52 < gzmask> ah, I guessed so...  kinda hoping some native client news
from Google IO lol
20:52 <+iant> I think the holdup there is on the Native Client side, they
have to implement something for us to do function pointers for closures
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20:54 < gzmask> it feels like for now the native client team is focusing on
C codes
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20:54 < dho> iant: What does that require, out of curiosity?
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20:54 < dho> I mean, theoretically you can't do async processing in C if
that's not supported
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20:56 <+iant> the issue isn't function pointers as in C, it's taking the
address of a function literal which refers to variables in the enclosing function
20:56 <+iant> which you can't do in C
20:56 <+iant> in Go that is implemented using a little executable trampoline
created at runtime
20:56 < dho> Oh, I see.
20:56 < skelterjohn> trampoline, lol
20:56 < dho> and the safety stuff disallows that
20:56 <+iant> right
20:56 < skelterjohn> i bet that means something to people in the know
20:56 <+iant> skelterjohn: it's a standard term, believe it or not
20:56 < dho> skelterjohn: fairly standard terminology
20:56 < skelterjohn> i don't doubt it
20:56 < skelterjohn> i'm just not in the know
20:57 < skelterjohn> and it sounds funny to me :)
20:57 < dho> it's just a `jumping point'
20:57 < dho> essentially
20:57 < KirkMcDonald> I am much more satisfied with Go's solution to this
particular problem than D's.
20:57 < dho> hence the name :)
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20:57 < KirkMcDonald> That is, D has separate 'function' and 'delegate'
types, and Go just has func types.
20:58 < dho> iant: where is that code, actually?
20:59 < dho> runtime/machdep?
20:59 <+iant> runtime/*/closure.c
20:59 < dho> I've been way out of the loop lately
20:59 < dho> girlfriend left and i've been going through a miniature
personal crisis
20:59 <+iant> sorry to hear that
20:59 < dho> still need to fix the freebsd testbeds and stuff
21:00 < dho> why's that implemented in C?
21:00 <+iant> dunno
21:01 < dho> I don't think it's particularly easier to read :\
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21:04 < dho> probably some of the math is a pain in the ass.
21:07 < skelterjohn> happens.
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21:19 < gzmask> cannot convert b (type [10]uint8) to type string in
conversion
21:19 < gzmask> I used string(byte_array), but what is the correct way?
21:22 < Kashia> I think it works with a slice of butes (not array)
21:22 < Kashia> bytes*
21:24 < smw> gzmask: and a slice can probably be made with []byte(something)
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21:24 < smw> so string([]byte(something))
21:24 < gzmask> slice works.  ty
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21:28 < Kashia> I'd do string(b[0:])
21:28 < Kashia> (instead of a second cast)
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21:30 < Eridius> you could also just do string(&b)
21:31 < Eridius> taking the address of an array gives you a slice
21:33 < gzmask> but I don't understand why we can't type cast an array of
bytes to string.  This doesn't feel smart and feels very C-like
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21:35 < Macpunk> well, any given array of bytes isn't necessarily a string
21:35 < Macpunk> and you'd have to pick an encoding, right?  or would it
just assume it's Unicode whatever
21:35 < Eridius> gzmask: maybe you should ask about it on the mailing list?
21:36 < Eridius> Macpunk: strings are utf8
21:36 < Eridius> Macpunk: you can cast a slice of bytes, at which point it
treats it as utf8, or a slice of ints, which it treats as runes
21:37 < skelterjohn> not being able to type cast a byte array to a string
sounds c-like?
21:37 < skelterjohn> eh?
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21:38 < skelterjohn> since in C a string is an array of bytes, I don't
follow
21:38 < Eridius> yeah I don't get the "not C-like" complaint
21:38 < gzmask> I mean type casting should be smarter
21:38 < Eridius> but regardless, if you think you should be able to cast an
array of bytes to a string, ask about it on the mailing list.
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21:39 <+iant> A string is really a sequence of bytes
21:39 <+iant> and you can cast an array of bytes to a string
21:40 <+iant> so I'm not sure I understand the objection
21:41 < gzmask> try this code iant: var b [10] byte; fmt.Print(sring(b));
21:41 < gzmask> gives : cannot convert b (type [10]uint8) to type string in
conversion
21:41 < Eridius> gzmask: it's trivial to convert an array to a slice
21:41 < gzmask> still one more thing to remember
21:42 <+iant> var b [10]byte; fmt.Print(string(&b))
21:42 < Macpunk> Eridius, I see.  I was trying to get at what skelterjohn
said.  :P
21:42 < Macpunk> quite informative though, thank you :-)
21:42 <+iant> but I see what you mean, you can convert a slice but not an
array
21:42 < Eridius> iant: I noticed the other day that taking hte address of an
array is never defined in the spec, just mentioned in one example
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21:43 < gzmask> and I am suggesting this might help people to get in golang
programming easier.  Not that the "&" sign is causing any problem for me now
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21:44 < Eridius> then the requirement to take a specific type makes sense
21:44 < Eridius> though it really takes 2 different slice types..
21:44 <+iant> Eridius: it's in the Assignment compatibilty section
21:44 < Eridius> iant: I can look again, but I couldn't find it the other
day
21:45 < Eridius> I would have expected it to be mentioned in the address
operator section
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21:47 <+iant> Eridius: it probably should be there too, yes
21:47 <+iant> in assignment compatibility it says "V is a pointer to an
array and T is a slice type...."
21:48 <+iant> then down under conversions it says that a conversion succeeds
if it is assignment compatible
21:48 <+iant> but I agree that it should be mentioned in the address
operator sectin
21:48 < Eridius> ah hah
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21:55 < plexdev> http://is.gd/922Cu by [Anthony Starks] in go/misc/bbedit/
-- misc/bbedit: treat predeclared identifiers as "keywords"
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