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00:12 < ki0wa> notte
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00:19 < ptolomy2> Simple parallel ascii mandelbrot set renderer with new
complex type: http://pastie.org/862408
00:20 < ptolomy2> Pretty much exactly 2x faster on my machine w/
GOMAXPROCS=2.
00:20 < nf> ptolomy2: cute ;)
00:22 < nf> ptolomy2: it takes so little time, how have you benchmarked it?
00:23 < ptolomy2> Very non-scientifically.  'time ./8.out'
00:25 < ptolomy2> nf: Out of curiosity, how long does it take on your
machine?
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00:26 < nf> i modified it to make it do more calculation
00:26 < nf> it takes 2.044s single-threaded, 1.082s with GOMAXPROCS(2)
00:27 < nf> nice!
00:30 < ptolomy2> Is there a profiler that works with Go?
00:32 < defectiv> that mandelbrot thing is sweet.
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00:46 < exch> am I missing some update?  the mandelbrot thing fails on
undefined 'real' and 'imag' references
00:46 < ptolomy2> You need bleeding-edge compiler.  The complex support for
8g just went in a bit ago.
00:47 < exch> fair enough
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01:05 < kmeyer> or an amd64 machine ;)
01:08 < cbeck> I'm poking at an annoying thing, given 'type T float64', I
can use '+' to add two T's, but cannot call a function which takes a float64 with
a T
01:08 < cbeck> Is there a safe way around this?
01:08 < KirkMcDonald> cbeck: float64(some_T_value)
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01:09 < KirkMcDonald> I wonder if D's distinction between a 'typedef' and an
'alias' would make any sense in Go.
01:10 < cbeck> KirkMcDonald: The idea was to implement a bastardized generic
system
01:10 < KirkMcDonald> That is, an alias of a type is semantically equivalent
to the original type, but a typedef defines a new type (much as Go's "type"
declarations do).
01:10 < cbeck> KirkMcDonald:
01:11 < cbeck> err
01:11 < cbeck> Right that is the behaviour I was looking for, which is why
it seems a bit inconsistant that operators work, but functions do not
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01:52 < ak2> anticw: there?
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01:52 < ak2> i need some help/tips/pointers on concurrency in go
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01:53 < anticw> ak2: yes
01:53 < anticw> ak2: btw; effective go is very good
01:53 < anticw> and so are the tutorials
01:53 < anticw> almost everything is covered there
01:53 < anticw> it's well worth the time
01:53 < ak2> anticw: i need some more information than they give..  i went
through them
01:54 < ak2> ok, i was using only effective go for the concurrent stuff
01:54 < ak2> didnt see the tutorial..
01:54 < anticw> what's the problem?
01:54 < ak2> just looking at it now to see if it covers what i'm looking for
01:55 < ak2> so, basically..  i want multiple threads to go do stuff..  and
then want to wait for each of them separately
01:55 < ak2> as in..  if thread one comes back, do some stuff for it..  if
thread 2 comes back do some stuff for it
01:55 < ak2> in no specific order of them coming back
01:55 < ak2> how do i implement that?
01:58 < anticw> well...  couple of things
01:58 < anticw> firstly, are the threads IO bound or CPU bound?
01:58 < anticw> if the latter you need to tweak GOMAXPROCS
01:59 < anticw> as for the threads ...  dont think threads
01:59 < anticw> just use a goroutine to spawn off the work and a channel to
return it
01:59 < ak2> they are CPU bound
01:59 < ak2> and yes, i'm thinking goroutines
02:00 < ak2> so, when i use a goroutine
02:00 < ak2> lets say go func() {
02:00 < ak2> /do something
02:00 < ak2> chan<-1
02:00 < ak2> }
02:00 < plexdev> http://is.gd/a5G4B by [Ken Thompson] in 2 subdirs of go/ --
1.  decommit complex(float) conversion
02:00 < ak2> now, wherever i put <-chan..  it'll wait for it
02:01 < ak2> i want it to wait for that routine only for a block of
statements..  but execute the rest in the meanwhile
02:02 < anticw> what does that mean?  you're waiting or not waiting?
02:02 < anticw> do you want to poll for it?
02:04 < ak2> yes, i'm waiting
02:04 < ak2> but...
02:04 < anticw> ak2: i'm not understanding sorry
02:04 < ak2> let me explain again
02:05 < ak2> lets say there are 3 goroutines
02:05 < ak2> and there are 3 blocks of code independent of eachother
02:05 < ak2> when goroutine1 completes, execute block1...  so on and so
forth
02:05 < ak2> and none of them depend on eachother
02:06 < ak2> but when all of them are done, the final result includes
information from block1,2,3
02:08 < anticw> so have all of them signal there are done on a channel ...
nad get three results from it
02:08 < anticw> s/nad/and/
02:08 < ak2> so, use a single channel
02:08 < ak2> and have each one of them put into it
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02:09 < ak2> and then since i know how many to read from channel, just try
to read them..
02:09 < ak2> is that what you are saying?
02:09 < ak2> channels can have a struct type in them right?  not just ints
or bools
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02:22 < anticw> ak2: how many goroutines are there?
02:23 < anticw> if you spawn 10 of them ...  read 10 results
02:25 < ak2> ok
02:25 < ak2> thats what i was thinking...
02:25 < ak2> any other way of doing it?
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02:26 < anticw> sure
02:26 < anticw> but that seems simplest and robust, so i would do that
02:26 < ak2> ok
02:26 < ak2> just curios on how else it could be done
02:26 < ak2> s/curios/curious
02:26 < ak2> i'll do it this way though..  seems straight forward
02:27 < anticw> well...  i have a priority queue that uses semaphores to
block consumers until data is available
02:27 < anticw> so i can have n readers and m suppliers and have it block
nicely
02:27 < ak2> ok
02:27 < ak2> can you share the code?
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02:29 < anticw> umm, later i guess ...  it's not something i would suggest
though
02:29 < anticw> basically it's using something people shouldn't use :-)
02:30 < anticw> the point is in this case i don't need to know about n/m ...
i just feed/drain and deal with EOF
02:30 < anticw> also ...  are you really sure you want to see something that
has:
02:30 < anticw>
02:30 < anticw> type iHeap struct { sema uint32 // used to block readers
storlk sync.Mutex // storage lock stor []int // storage
02:30 < anticw> }
02:30 < anticw> formatting
02:30 < anticw> gah
02:31 < anticw> there is a semaphore and a lock ...  so well, whilst this
makes sense for me, it's probably a bit heavy handed
02:31 < ak2> :)
02:31 < ak2> i wouldnt mind trying it out
02:31 < ak2> or rather..  trying to understand it
02:32 < ak2> for the implementation, i'll take your first suggestion about
reading the channel N times
02:35 < ak2> anticw: see this
linkhttp://blog.notdot.net/2009/11/Recursion-and-concurrency-with-Go
02:35 < ak2>
http://blog.notdot.net/2009/11/Recursion-and-concurrency-with-Go
02:36 < ak2> in the third block of code, he says return move{player, score}
02:36 < ak2> i dont understand whats happening there
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02:40 < ak2> uh
02:40 < ak2> understood
02:40 < ak2> poor notations!
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02:47 < anticw> isn't it just spawning goroutines for n-way branching in
three and blocking on the result?
02:50 < ak2> yes
02:50 < ak2> i understood on reading it again
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03:01 < anticw> bbl, kids
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04:16 < anticw> ak2: back
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04:34 < ak2> i got it working...
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08:18 < kmeyer> taruti: agl is registered as the channel founder
08:18 < taruti> and not on irc
08:18 < taruti> being on #go-nuts made it impossible to change nicknames
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08:18 < taruti> 10:07 [Freenode] -!- taruti #go-nuts Cannot change nickname
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09:20 < plexdev> http://is.gd/a6Ydm by [Andrew Gerrand] in
go/src/pkg/template/ -- template: add ParseFile, MustParseFile, and associated
tests
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10:24 < nocturnal> i'm having trouble understanding multiple return values.
mainly the net.LookupHost function.  looking at the documentation it is my
understanding that := will implicitly cast the left hand values when returned from
the right hand function?
10:24 < nocturnal> but when i do cname, addrs, err := net.LookupHost(foo)
the compiler says "cname declared and not used"
10:25 < nocturnal> for cname and addrs
10:25 < nocturnal> and when i pre-declare those variables as string and
[]string it says it twice
10:27 < nocturnal> can anyone point me to what i should study in the
language specs to understand this better?
10:28 < bortzmeyer> "cname declared and not used" refers to the fact that
you assign a value to it but never *use* it *afterwards*.
10:28 < nocturnal> ooohh
10:28 < nocturnal> thanks
10:28 < nocturnal> wow that compiler sure is strict
10:29 < usausa> nocturnal: If you want to declare a variable and not use it,
then call the variable "_"
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10:33 < nocturnal> usausa: ahh i see, i've seen that used in some example
code but never had it explained if it was special or not
10:33 < nocturnal> thank you very much
10:34 < nocturnal> i was just talking to my co-worker about this issue
10:34 < nocturnal> the _ variables solves it for me
10:40 < usausa> "_" is definitly special.  The other thing that you may not
be understanding is that ":=" declares the variable on its left hand side.
10:44 < rsaarelm> The tricky part is when some of the lhs variables for :=
are defined already and some aren't.
10:46 < rsaarelm> Does it just redeclare them all then?
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10:53 < manveru> heya
10:54 < manveru> does anyone know what []string means?  it's an array
containing strings, right?
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10:56 < manveru> but if i try: "for arg := range os.Args {
os.Stdout.WriteString(arg) }", go tells me: "cannot use arg (type int) as type
string in function argument"
10:56 < manveru> why would the range yield ints instead of strings?
10:58 < manveru> oh, i think i got it
10:58 < manveru> range yields both the index and the element
10:58 < m1ndwarp> I'm actually trying the web server example
http://golang.org/doc/effective_go.html#web_server
10:58 < manveru> should've checked the language spec earlier :)
10:58 < m1ndwarp> and get the following error: server.go:32: cannot convert
http.URLEscape(v.(<nil>)) (type string) to type []uint8 in conversion
10:58 < m1ndwarp> anyone have any idea what is going wrong?
10:59 < m1ndwarp> (that's the line in func UrlHtmlFormatter)
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12:04 < nf> rsaarelm: go won't ever redeclare a var
12:05 < nf> (i don't think)
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12:49 < guaqua> anyone else having trouble building go on 386 linux?
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13:24 < uriel> guaqua: no, what problem are you having
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14:56 < alouca> Hello!
14:56 < alouca> Is there a possibility to define a variable while evaluating
statements using exp/eval?
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15:16 < alouca> Is there a possibility to define a variable while evaluating
statements using exp/eval?
15:17 <+iant> I really don't know the status of exp/eval; what happens when
you try defining a variable?
15:18 < alouca> i meant pass some data from the parent program to the
evaluating statement
15:18 <+iant> can you just build a string to evaluate?
15:18 <+iant> including the value you want to pass in the string?
15:19 < alouca> yes i could, but ideally i would like it to be fast.
rebuilding the code + recompiling is quite heavy
15:20 <+iant> exp/eval doesn't compile the code, it just interprets it
15:21 <+iant> in any case, as far as I know.  code passed to exp/eval can't
refer to variables in the calling program
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15:25 < alouca> hm.  is there a possibility to dynamically load compiled
code or not yet?
15:25 <+iant> not yet
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15:26 < alouca> ok great!  thanks
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16:22 < ampleyfly> is it possible to convert the return values of a function
that returns several things (on the same line as the call)?
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16:28 < rsaarelm> Don't think so.
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17:22 < gzmask> iant you there?
17:23 < gzmask> Do you know what is the current state of the O3D project?
It hasn't been updated since Oct 2009
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18:17 < guaqua> uriel: didn't build earlier, builds now.  can't remember the
error
18:17 < guaqua> it was quite early in the build, some .c -file
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18:27 < exch> Does Go support some form of type attributes for functions?  I
know it works for struct fields, but I need em on functions
18:28 < kmeyer> type attributes?
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18:28 < exch> in a struct you can do this: type foo struct{ a string "yay" }
18:28 < exch> 'yay' is now a type attribute
18:28 < exch> it's used by the xml Marshaller for one
18:29 < kmeyer> oh, huh
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18:30 < anticw> exch: the spec only talks about them for fields
18:30 < exch> hmm bummer
18:30 < kmeyer> where does it talk about them?
18:30 < kmeyer> I'm curious to read more
18:30 < exch> I found em by reading through the source when I was doing my
last.fm webservice api wrapper
18:30 < kmeyer> heh
18:31 < anticw> kmeyer: http://l:8000/doc/go_spec.html#Struct_types
18:32 < anticw> gah
18:32 < kmeyer> heh
18:32 < anticw> golang.org ->
18:32 < anticw> into that
18:32 < kmeyer> thanks
18:32 < exch> would be nice if I could do something like custom attributes
in C#: [WebMethod] void Foo(){ ...  }.  makes it easier to find specific methods
with varying signatures in a package
18:32 < exch> ah well.  I'll figure something out
18:33 < anticw> http://golang.org/doc/go_spec.html#Struct_types
18:33 < anticw> "A field declaration may be followed by an optional string
literal tag, which becomes an attribute for all the fields in the corresponding
field declaration.  The tags are made visible through a reflection interface but
are otherwise ignored."
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18:34 < kmeyer> yeah, just got there
18:35 < kmeyer> hrm.
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19:14 < defectiv> are receivers treated a little differently than arguments?
that is, if i have a method whose receiver needs to be of type myInt a basically
identical function that accepts a myInt as an argument instead, is it true that i
can call the_function(3) but if i want to call the method i have to do
myInt(3).the_method
19:15 < defectiv> AND a basically identical function
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20:12 < hstimer> when did the ...  become optional in array initialization?
i.e.  var a = [...]int{1, 2, 3} now you can do var a = []int{1, 2, 3}
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20:15 <+iant> hstimer: those are two different things
20:15 <+iant> one creates a value of type [3]int, the other creates a value
of type []int
20:17 < hstimer> so 2 different types but the same capacity and the same len
20:18 <+iant> yes, in a sense
20:19 <+iant> [3]int is an array, for which the capacity and the length are
always the same
20:20 < hstimer> []int has the same cap and len
20:20 <+iant> yes
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20:42 < plexdev> http://is.gd/a9DH5 by [Russ Cox] in go/test/ -- fix amd64
build (golden.out)
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20:46 < tire0011> i have a problem with the go tutorial day3 "channels in
go"
20:47 < tire0011> I writen: go pump(ch1)
20:47 < tire0011> fmt.Println("the main ",<-ch1)
20:47 < tire0011> suck(ch1)
20:47 < tire0011> fmt.Println("the main ",<-ch1)
20:48 < tire0011> the print lines "the main 1" works
20:48 < tire0011> but suck prints nothing
20:48 < tire0011> exuse me there must be a "go" for the suck method
20:49 < tire0011> without go it woks but with not why?
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20:53 < bortzmeyer> May be because the main program exited before the
goroutine had any chance to print something?
20:54 < tire0011> no i set a endless loop with for i := 0; ; i++ {}
20:54 < bortzmeyer> Where is the code?  I do not find this example in
http://golang.org/doc/go_tutorial.html
20:55 < tire0011> the tutorial is at the go/src/doc
20:56 < tire0011> page 16
20:56 < tire0011> lets pump some data
20:58 < tire0011> document GoCourseDay3.pdf
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21:04 < bortzmeyer> Endless loops change nothing because the main routine is
always busy, it does not yield to goroutines
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21:04 < tire0011> okay what must i do
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21:04 < bortzmeyer> Try with ticker := time.Tick(10 * 1000000) then
<-ticker to force the main routine to wait
21:04 < bortzmeyer> It works for me
21:05 < tire0011> i try it
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21:13 < plexdev> http://is.gd/a9LdQ by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/8g/ -- fix
386 a[i] = cmplx(r, j)
21:15 < tire0011> thanks bortzmeyer --> works fine
21:17 < bortzmeyer> Mother of all channels FAQs.  Always wait the goroutines
:-)
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21:20 < nnark> I'm new to Go. Is it a good alternative to shell scripting?
21:20 < cbeck> Not really
21:20 < cbeck> Imo
21:20 < bortzmeyer> nnark: Interesting question.
21:21 < bortzmeyer> nnark: using Python or a similar language would seem
more...  usual
21:21 < cbeck> I know I write all my sysadmin scripts in c with fork/execs
and pipes
21:22 < Kashia> lol
21:22 < nnark> bortzmeyer: are you familiar with shell scripting?
21:22 < bortzmeyer> cbeck: then, you're unusual :-) and you may consider Go
21:22 < Kashia> sorry, I thought he was being sarcastic..
21:22 < cbeck> I was
21:22 < bortzmeyer> nnark: yes, I manage Unix machines and this implies
writing shell scripts
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21:23 < nnark> bortzmeyer: ah, fantastic.  for example i have a script that
does spell checking using pipes and temp files.  tr -cs 'A-Za-z' '[\n*]' | sort -u
21:24 < nnark> | comm -23 - wordlist
21:24 < KirkMcDonald> I would not describe Python as a shell script
replacement, either...
21:24 < Kashia> ah, and you want to pack that into 200 lines of Go? ;)
21:24 < KirkMcDonald> Depending on the script, of course.
21:24 < nnark> Kashia: are you referring to my script?
21:25 < Kashia> ah yes :P
21:25 < bortzmeyer> nnark: I don't think that translating your script to Go
would make it 1) More readable 2) More efficient 3) Easier to write
21:25 < nnark> bortzmeyer: so what are the real advantages of Go? I started
to gravitate towards it after reading about it on TechCrunch
21:26 < nnark> how bad would it be if I tried writing that script in Go as
my first app?
21:27 < tire0011> advantage is the concurrency
21:27 < bortzmeyer> tire0011: +1
21:27 < nnark> tire0011: yeah, I read about that too
21:27 < bortzmeyer> Yes, Go really shines when you write a network server
(because it is highly concurrent)
21:28 < tire0011> there exist not really a language in there you can write
programms easy concurrency
21:28 < tire0011> not only network alos gui applications
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21:30 < nnark> so this one line script will translate into hundreds of lines
of Go? maybe i should be a bit more careful with switching.
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21:33 < tire0011> are thre any beginns with gui classes, maybe a message box
or buttons
21:38 < nnark> any suggestions on where to begin to explore converting that
script?
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21:40 < tire0011> have you already work with the tutorials?
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21:42 < ahihi> is there a standard way to read a line from a File?
21:43 < KirkMcDonald> ahihi: See the bufio package.
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21:45 < ahihi> nice, thanks
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22:28 < nnark> would any synergistic effects occur with running Go on a
cluster?
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23:09 * uriel wonders WTF are "synergistic effects"
23:10 < KirkMcDonald> That when you leverage your core competencies so as to
maximize shareholder value.
23:10 < dho> uriel: if go and a cluster would complement each other
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23:28 < uriel> KirkMcDonald: hahahahaha!
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23:31 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aaf4c by [Robert Griesemer] in 2 subdirs of
go/ -- godoc: provide mode which shows exported interface in "source form"
23:31 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aaf4q by [Robert Griesemer] in go/doc/ --
go_spec.html: fix typo and link
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23:48 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aaik3 by [Robert Griesemer] in
go/src/cmd/godoc/ -- godoc: change -x to -src, update doc.go (missed in previous
CL)
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