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01:16 < meatmanek> so I'm having an issue with gobuild
01:16 < meatmanek> "ERROR: No files found for package trie/trie."
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01:17 < meatmanek> and of course I don't see anything that links against
"trie/trie"
01:18 < meatmanek> hah just kidding.
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01:19 < meatmanek> okay back to my older error
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01:37 < plexdev> http://is.gd/apMgA by [Russ Cox] in 4 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/ -- hash/crc64: new package implementing 64-bit CRC
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02:24 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aq2oR by [Robert Griesemer] in 2 subdirs of
go/ -- godoc: support for multiple packages in a directory
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03:14 < hstimer> so how do i do a multi-line interpreted string literal?
auto ; (which I wanted) is kind of making things difficult
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03:17 < kmeyer> hstimer: `
03:18 < hstimer> i need interpreted, not non-interpreted
03:18 < hstimer> but thanks anyway :-)
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03:29 < kmeyer> ahh
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04:04 < hstimer> I think 6g has an interpreted string bug
04:05 < hstimer> I change just any one character in the string and it goes
away
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04:05 < hstimer> If I leave the string alone I get n [invalid string] error
at runtime
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04:09 < hstimer> hmmm.....  if switch from print() to fmt.Print() no runtime
error
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09:25 < nocturnal> are the variables defined within an interface available
locally to all functions declared in the same interface?
09:27 < nocturnal> like type foo interface { var bar bool; SetBar() bool }
and func SetBar() bool { bar = true } or should the function call foo.bar ?
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09:31 < nocturnal> oh nevermind i just looked at the net.go source to
understand more about how interfaces work
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12:15 < bortzmeyer> I need to pass configuration info from the main program
to another routine.  I hesitate between a map (indexed by config items such as
"debug-level") or a struct.
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12:25 < bortzmeyer> The problem with maps is that there is only one type on
the right-hand side.  But some config variables are integers, some strings.
12:29 < Kashia> map[string]interface{}
12:31 < bortzmeyer> Kashia: OK, good idea.  I always forget that interface{}
can be used to say "any type"
12:31 < bortzmeyer> The problem with structs is that they are more rigid.
Every field needs a value and creating/deleting a field changes the API.  I think
I'll try maps with Kashia's idea.
12:32 < Kashia> well, it only changes the api side on the setter-side (not
user side) if you use reflection
12:32 < JBeshir> bortzmeyer: Unless you lowercase the field and keep it in
its own package.
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12:38 < bortzmeyer> JBeshir: sorry, did not get it.  Another try?
12:39 < bortzmeyer> Kashia:I am still a beginner, I forget reflection, too.
Thanks.
12:40 < JBeshir> bortzmeyer: I don't believe that a field is accessible
outside the current package if it is lowercase.
12:41 < bortzmeyer> JBeshir: Even with reflect's "mystructptr.FieldByName"?
12:41 < Kashia> I think you can read but not set.
12:42 < JBeshir> bortzmeyer: I don't know about using reflection, but in
that case I think you'd be deliberately sidestepping the supported API anyway.
12:42 < bortzmeyer> Well, nice discussion, I hesitate now more than I did at
the beginning :-)
12:42 < Kashia> lol
12:42 < bortzmeyer> Thanks to all, I'm going to test both solutions, now.
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12:42 < Kashia> well, the whole point here is information sharing, not
hiding
12:43 < Kashia> now it's just a matter, on how rigid/safe/open/unsafe the
system should be
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14:32 < exch> could anyone enlighten as yo how I would access the flag
fields in this struct in Go? http://c.pastebin.com/ZGEbihJ6
14:32 < exch> specifically the fields marked with :1, :6 and :16
14:32 < exch> no idea what those things mean
14:33 < exch> the regular fields work fine it seems, except those..  cgo
complains they don't exist
14:37 < exch> apparently they are used to define the explicit layout of each
bit in an integer..  that still doesnt allow me to access them through cgo though
:(
14:43 < Kashia> pack the first 32 bits in a uint32_t and access them via
bit-ops
14:44 < Kashia> the number after the dots are the number of bits the field
has
14:45 < exch> yea I figured as much.  hmm i'll puzzle around a bit
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14:47 < Kashia> http://c.pastebin.com/GbXGXsPH like that
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14:48 < exch> hmm thanks!
14:51 < manveru> Kashia: :)
14:52 < manveru> finally got bored of php?
14:52 < Kashia> bored?
14:52 < Kashia> php annoys me since years now, no bore ;)
14:52 < manveru> lol
14:52 < manveru> true that :(
14:53 < Kashia> but you didn't think I'd miss the new language on the block
;)
14:53 < manveru> awesome, now i have someone i can annoy with questions
about go :)
14:53 < Kashia> same as you :P
14:53 < Kashia> lol
14:53 < Kashia> sure sure
14:53 < manveru> heh
14:53 < manveru> yeah...  i'm a language-addict :|
14:55 < manveru> i assume if go goes into gcc, it's automatically working
fine with llvm?
14:55 < Kashia> no, go uses its own compiler
14:55 < Kashia> but there is also a gcc frontend
14:56 < manveru> afaik gcc will support go
14:56 < Kashia> well, the basic stuff works
14:56 < Kashia> but iirc the garbage collector is missing right now
14:57 < Kashia> which of course for some programs might be fatal :P
14:57 < manveru> uh oh
14:57 < manveru> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gcc.devel/111603
14:57 < manveru> this i meant
14:58 < Kashia> ah, well that sounds like the official side
14:58 < Kashia> but that gcc frontend existed for a while now
14:58 < manveru> i'll learn go by writing oxid in it
14:59 < Kashia> ah :)
14:59 < manveru> nothing better to learn a language than to write a language
in it :)
14:59 < Kashia> that was that small language, wasn't it?
14:59 < Kashia> aye
15:00 < Kashia> I like Gos strictness about types...
15:00 < manveru> yeah
15:01 < manveru> i hate types in C :P
15:01 < Kashia> I think you'll like the interface type..
15:02 < manveru> how is testing done in go?
15:03 < Kashia> there is a testing module
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15:03 < Kashia> one write a bunch of: func TestCoffee(t *testing.T) {}
15:04 < Kashia> it's simple, nothing fancy
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15:09 < manveru> you got a rakefile for building?
15:09 < Kashia> no, but there are standard makefiles
15:10 < Kashia> http://pastie.org/867916
15:12 < Kashia> one copies those everytime one makes a new package/command
15:17 < manveru> Kashia: http://pastr.it/16707
15:18 < Kashia> ah yes, that is the easy part :P
15:18 < manveru> heh
15:18 < manveru> what's harder?
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15:18 < Kashia> the provided makefile also does testing and coverage and cgo
(go - c interface stuff)
15:19 < manveru> hmm
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15:20 < manveru> don't have src...
15:20 < manveru> guess nobody used that yet
15:20 < manveru> will update pkgbuild in a bit, rake does well enough for
now
15:21 < Kashia> src?  you mean those makefiles are missing from your
package?
15:22 < manveru> yeah
15:22 < Kashia> ...  that's hilarious :P
15:22 < manveru> heh
15:22 < manveru> i made the original version, so i shouldn't complain
15:22 < manveru> been maintained by someone else since3
15:22 < Kashia> ah *g*
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15:55 < manveru> Kashia: how do i call something like
http://golang.org/pkg/ebnf/#Grammar.Parse
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15:58 < manveru> ah, i think i have it
15:59 < manveru> what's a []byte...
16:00 < manveru> got that too
16:00 < Kashia> :)
16:01 < Kashia> I found the ebnf package to be...  surprisingly..
featureless :)
16:02 < manveru> heh
16:02 < manveru> and i got my first segfault :P
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16:07 < manveru> so i guess it's not safe to just printf anything
16:07 < Kashia> are you using fmt.Printf() ?
16:07 < manveru> yeah
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16:08 < Kashia> ah.
16:08 < manveru> is there anything like inspect?
16:09 < Kashia> Printf("%v") I think
16:09 < Kashia> Printf("%v", obj)
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16:09 < manveru> hmm
16:09 < manveru> guess i need a p function
16:10 < manveru> can i do a format without output?
16:10 < Kashia> Sprintf
16:10 < manveru> alright :)
16:10 < manveru> and what's the equivalent of def foo(*args)
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16:11 < Kashia> func foo(args ...) or foo(args ...int)
16:11 < Kashia> the former is only inspectable via reflection (it's a
struct), the latter is a []int
16:12 < manveru> ok...
16:12 < Kashia> I like how you can force the type of the variable arguments
16:12 < manveru> and is there an equivalent of enumerable?
16:12 < Kashia> not in the sense of 'grouping of integers'
16:13 < manveru> uhm
16:13 < Kashia> if you just want to generate numbers, check out iota
16:13 < manveru> no, as in iteration methods
16:13 < Kashia> ah, lol
16:13 < Kashia> too much C in my head
16:13 < manveru> each/map/inject/sort/select...
16:13 < manveru> i saw range, but it does only iteration
16:13 < Kashia> check out the exp/iterator I think
16:14 < Kashia> http://golang.org/pkg/exp/iterable/
16:14 < Kashia> iterable it was
16:14 < manveru> got it already :)
16:14 < Kashia> felt the need to correct my mistake ;)
16:14 < manveru> uh
16:14 < manveru> wordy stuff...
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16:16 < manveru> what's this type interface{} thing...
16:17 < Kashia> that would be Object in Ruby
16:17 < manveru> and i can't iterate that?
16:17 < manveru> oxid.go:5: cannot range over objects (type interface { })
16:17 < Kashia> it is basically 'any type which implements the empty
interface' (which is any object)
16:17 < Kashia> an interface is a single object, no 'range'
16:18 < manveru> so (objects ...) isn't an array?
16:18 < Kashia> no, it is a struct like I said :P
16:18 < Kashia> handling a foo(arg...) is slightly ugly
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16:21 < manveru> why do elements of an array have only a common type...
16:21 < manveru> i don't know what type the arguments have...  that's the
whole point of the function
16:21 < Kashia> use []interface{}
16:22 < Kashia> later you can find out what is behind the interface
16:22 < manveru> oxid.go:13: cannot use "grammar: " (type ideal string) as
type []interface { } in function argument
16:22 < manveru> oxid.go:13: cannot use grammar (type ebnf.Grammar) as type
[]interface { } in function argument
16:23 < manveru> func p(objects ...[]interface{}){
16:23 < Kashia> ah, eh, skip the []
16:23 < Kashia> then you cast: objects[0].(string)
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16:24 < Kashia> or use a switch to find out tye types: switch
objects[0].(type) { case int; case string }
16:24 < manveru> i simply map the array through sprintf and join to a string
16:24 < manveru> and output that
16:24 < manveru> at least that's the plan :)
16:25 < Kashia> ah, well that should be easier
16:25 < Kashia> doesn't this work?  func p(args ...interface{}) { str :=
fmt.Sprintf(args) }
16:25 < manveru> don't i need the %v?
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16:26 < Kashia> eh, probably
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16:27 < Kashia> hmm..  are you looping over the arguments instead of passing
them straigt into Sprintf?
16:29 < manveru> oxid.go:8: []interface { } is not iterable.Iterable
16:29 < manveru> missing Iter() <-chan interface { }
16:30 < Kashia> well, it is correct :P
16:31 < Kashia> however, you can cast a []interface{} to a vector.Vector
16:31 < manveru> it's an array...  why can't it iterate?
16:31 < Kashia> you can, but iteration is a library thing, arrays are a
language feature
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16:34 < manveru> http://golang.org/src/pkg/exp/iterable/array.go#L9
16:35 < manveru> boilerplate alarm :
16:35 < manveru> :(
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16:36 < Kashia> well, one thing in Go you can't do, is creating methods on
built in types
16:36 < Kashia> and to be honest, I'm glad, do not produce another Rails ;)
16:37 < manveru> no, i meant, it repeats the same code for all three types
16:37 < manveru> it could just share that so people could add new types
easily
16:37 < Kashia> ah, yes, it does not have Generics either
16:37 < manveru> generics?
16:37 < Kashia> C++ template
16:37 < Kashia> C++ templates*
16:37 < manveru> why would you need that?
16:38 < Kashia> to share the code?
16:38 < manveru> what are functions for, again?
16:38 < Bombe> Generics are type variables, C++ templates are a different
beast.
16:39 < Kashia> but yah, manv is right, a single function could be shared by
all
16:40 < Kashia> hmm..  maybe not, unsure how one would do the := range
16:40 < manveru> ?
16:41 < Kashia> what would the function definition look like?
16:41 < manveru> func my_common_happy_iterable(some_range_like
[]interface{}){
16:41 < Kashia> ah, but you can't cast a []int to a []interface{}
16:41 < manveru> oO
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16:42 < manveru> so i don't cast...  i just take whatever happens to have a
type that can be iterated with range?
16:42 < manveru> func my_common_happy_iterable(some_range_like){
16:43 < Kashia> what would that be?
16:44 < manveru> A "for" statement with a "range" clause iterates through
all entries of an array, slice, string or map, or values received on a channel.
16:44 < manveru> so range knows what types it handles...  isn't that enough?
16:44 < Kashia> it does
16:44 < Kashia> but it does so for each type singely ;)
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16:45 < manveru> oO
16:46 < Kashia> because some_range_like is done in the iterable.All(i
Iterable)
16:47 < Kashia> but to be of type Iterable one has to implement the Iter()
function
16:47 < manveru> yeah
16:47 < manveru> but the body of Iter is the same for all arrays
16:47 < manveru> no matter what's the type inside
16:47 < Kashia> the range function isn't really the problem, the problem is
you can't write a function which takes different types
16:48 < manveru> i thought interface covers all types?
16:49 < Kashia> ah yes, but as one can't cast a []int to []interface{} ...
16:50 < manveru> so you make one separate for int?
16:50 < Kashia> that is what they do, yes :)
16:50 < Kashia> hence the copy/pasting :P
16:50 < manveru> but they don't make one for interface?
16:51 < Kashia> they didn't?
16:51 < manveru> string, float, byte, int
16:51 < Kashia> in the Vector class they just copy the whole file and
replace all interface{} by int
16:51 < manveru> wtf
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16:51 < Kashia> and Vector by IntVector
16:52 < manveru> that's just crazy :|
16:52 < Kashia> that is the lack of generics :P
16:52 < manveru> more like a lack of type inference
16:54 < Kashia> hmm...  I'm not sure.
16:54 < manveru> oh well, so i cannot use map if i don't know the type
16:54 < Kashia> ah, but you can
16:54 < manveru> and i can't iterate without lots of boilerplate
16:55 < manveru> that's enough for today :)
16:56 * Kashia pats manv
16:56 < manveru> gn8
16:56 < Kashia> night :)
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18:29 < visof> hello
18:30 < visof> can "go" be alternative of c language ?
18:33 < cbeck> visof: That really depends what you're doing with it
18:34 < visof> what are the things that c can do and go can't ?
18:34 < visof> or C can do it better
18:36 < cbeck> visof: Well, the first big difference is that Go is garbage
collected, C of course is not
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18:37 < cbeck> Go uses a runtime thread of execution, C doesn't
18:38 < cbeck> my terminology in the above is bass ackwards, my apologies
18:38 < cbeck> Talk to me post coffee
18:39 < smw_> visof: C has nicer pointer manipulation.  Go is safer because
it doesn't.  It depends on what you are doing
18:40 < dagle> If you really need pointer stuff there is always unsafe.
18:40 < smw_> I know
18:53 < pdelgallego> Hi anyone knows if Go has apply as a Mentor
Organization to the Google Summer of Code?
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19:02 < ni|> hey guys anyone thought of using go for MPI?
19:03 < kmeyer> I'm sure that never ocurred to anyone
19:03 < ni|> why is that?
19:03 < ni|> i know there is built in concurrency but does that apply for a
cluster
19:03 < dagle> Sure does.
19:03 < kmeyer> look at netchan in the stdlib
19:04 < ni|> ok, so you are saying i can use go-lang for my cluster
computations?
19:04 < ni|> nice.
19:04 < dagle> ni|: Yes.
19:04 < ni|> goodbye MPI for now
19:05 < dagle> Just start x threads on each node.  Bind to netchan and
distribute the work.
19:06 < ni|> wow thats nice
19:06 < ni|> so i can do a map->reduce implemenatation
19:08 < ni|> thanks guys
19:08 < dagle> Shouldn't be that hard to implement something like what
erlang has to distribute threads ( not really threads, I know) across servers.
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19:24 < ni|> dagle: this package has yet to be written is what you are
saying?
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19:24 < ni|> because i would like to write that
19:25 < dagle> ni|: I haven't heard of any implamentations atm.
19:26 < ni|> ok thanks
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23:56 < kmeyer> is there a way to define a constant array/slice?
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