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02:37 < pssw0rt> go sucks
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02:46 < exch> thanks for that brilliant and enlightening insight :p
02:47 < freetz> he should really list his concerns on the issues list...
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03:26 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aJebu by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/runtime/ --
runtime: lock finalizer table accesses
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03:42 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aJf09 by [David Symonds] in go/misc/vim/ --
Add new complex types, functions and literals to Vim syntax file.
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04:24 < hstimer_> can you defer functions that return values?  defer _ :=
os.Close(f)
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04:26 <+iant> you can just write defer os.Close(f)
04:26 <+iant> the return value will be discarded
04:30 < hstimer_> cool.  thx
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05:01 < BlackBook> Having problems with net.LookupHost -- I must be doing
something dumb...
05:01 < BlackBook> http://pastebin.com/dV1n75tA
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05:08 * BlackBook downloads wireshark
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05:11 < BlackBook> Anyone care to point out the obvious thing I'm screwing
up?
05:11 < cbeck> It's working for me
05:12 < cbeck> Might be wonky DNS on your network
05:12 < BlackBook> So it's not the code, it's something in the local network
then.
05:12 < anticw> BlackBook: what os?
05:12 < BlackBook> OS X.
05:12 < cbeck> I'm on linux
05:12 < anticw> there has been noise about LookupNet failures
05:12 < anticw> on OS X
05:13 < anticw> disable the firewall ...  does that help?
05:14 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aJjZl by [Robert Griesemer] in
go/src/pkg/image/jpeg/ -- image/jpeg: fix typos
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05:21 < BlackBook> anticw, indeed.  But not really a useful solution, alas.
At least I'm not screwing up the really simple code.
05:21 < anticw> does that help?
05:21 < anticw> if it does it would be good to know
05:21 < BlackBook> yes, the code works with the firewall disabled.
05:22 < anticw> ok, so we should try to figure out why it works on way and
not the other
05:23 < BlackBook> yup.
05:24 < anticw> can you tcpdump it working?
05:24 < anticw> and maybe not working?
05:24 < anticw> tcpdump -s2000 -w working.pcap port 53
05:24 < anticw> and similar
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05:25 * BlackBook puts away wireshark
05:26 < BlackBook> Okay, let me generate some data.
05:26 < anticw> if there is something obvious about a working (fw off),
non-working (fw on) and working (fw on, from ping) case then maybe there is a
simple fix
05:26 < anticw> the mcapple i have here shows no problems
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05:36 < BlackBook> anticw, http://www.stremler.net/temp/GoLang/pcap/
05:36 < BlackBook> (or http://www.stremler.net/temp/GoLang/pcap.tar)
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05:39 < anticw> BlackBook: is this 10.6 ?
05:39 < BlackBook> anticw, 10.5
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05:42 < anticw> BlackBook: do you know if the packets seen inbound make it
to the go app?
05:42 < BlackBook> anticw, it does not appear so, as the app just sits there
until it times out.
05:42 < anticw> but you never traced it?
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05:43 < BlackBook> anticw, not yet.  I'm just fooling around getting a feel
for the language, haven't gone into looking up Dscript syntax.
05:46 < BlackBook> anticw, Nor am I very familiar with the toolset yet.
05:46 < anticw> dtrace i think
05:46 < anticw> or ktrace
05:46 < anticw> i always forget
05:46 < BlackBook> Dtrace is the tool, Dscript is the language used by
Dtrace.
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05:48 < anticw> you dont need to go that far
05:49 < BlackBook> I need to set *some* probes.
05:50 < anticw> no
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06:02 < anticw> BlackBook: sorry, i thought there was some wrapper to make
it work like ktrace ...  i was sure i used it in the past
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06:02 < anticw> i'm pretty forgetful now though so who knows
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06:23 < BlackBook> anticw, I'm sure there is, somewhere.  :)
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07:04 < BlackBook> anticw, thanks for the heads-up on the firewall.
07:06 < anticw> BlackBook: np, ill try to make a note to debug this here
07:06 < anticw> BlackBook: i dont see it, but i have a local nameserver
07:07 < anticw> i dont see why that should matter but who knows
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10:30 < nocturnal> can you have multiple receivers for a function?
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10:35 < uriel> nocturnal: ?
10:36 < uriel> you can have multiple readers from a channel
10:36 < uriel> and functions can return multiple values
10:36 < uriel> not sure if either is what you were asking for
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10:57 < nocturnal> uriel: i meant receivers, func (r receiverType) fooBar {
}
10:57 < nocturnal> but i'll just try a small example program that uses r
receiverType, r2 receiverType
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12:09 < nocturnal> testpaket.go:25: method has multiple receivers
12:09 < nocturnal> hmm obviously you can't
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12:56 < uriel> nocturnal: are you confusing methods with functions?
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13:10 < nocturnal> uriel: perhaps, i was never so good at the english terms.
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13:10 < nocturnal> but i've answered my own questions by simple trial and
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17:06 < quotron> http://pastie.org/872319
17:06 < quotron> is there a way to make this work?
17:06 < quotron> (besides using a type switch)
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17:13 < dagle> quotron: You want to find the struct A in B?
17:13 < Beoran> fmt.Println("y: ", e.(B).A.y)
17:14 < Beoran> if e is a B you must dynamically cast it to B
17:14 < dagle> I don't think he meant it like that.
17:14 < Beoran> however, oneway to solve this is by creating an accessor
17:14 < dagle> I think he is wanting to convert any type that contains A.
17:14 < dagle> To A.
17:14 < quotron> isn't B supposed to also work as A? or did i get this
completely wrong?
17:15 < quotron> to be clear, what i want is some way to emulate
specialization.
17:15 < Beoran> quotron, B /can/ work as a, but only for accesors
17:15 < Beoran> for methods I mean
17:15 < Beoran> so I'd do
17:16 < Beoran> func (a *A) X() { return a.x } ; func (a *A) Y() { return
a.y }
17:16 < Beoran> then define your interface
17:17 < Beoran> type HasXY interface { X() (int) ; Y() (int) ; }
17:17 < Beoran> and pass that instead
17:17 < Beoran> if you really want to go fully generic, you'll have to use
the reflect package
17:18 < quotron> the accessor thing is a bit clumsy but might work better
for what i want, thanks
17:20 < Beoran> quotron, in Ruby , you need an accessor for /every/ class
variable o want to be visible on the outside.
17:21 < Beoran> the overhead of an accessor is low,so I think it's a good
approach
17:21 < jA_cOp> You can also use method_missing though
17:21 < quotron> what bothers me is the duplication
17:21 < Beoran> it has the benefit that it ensures that the people who use
the struct can't do unexpected things with it.  They have to go trhough the
accessors you provide
17:22 < jA_cOp> quotron, the attr_reader, attr_writer and attr_accessor
"global" functions are there to alleviate that
17:22 < Beoran> well, for a GUI I'm writing on top of SDL, I'm also writing
a niny object system
17:23 < Beoran> jA_cOp, we're still talking Go language here, not Ruby,
though (ruby was just an example)
17:23 < jA_cOp> err, I guess you were referring to Go
17:23 < quotron> jA_cOp: are you talking about go?
17:23 < jA_cOp> ya
17:23 < jA_cOp> nay
17:23 < jA_cOp> but I do still think it's worth being explicit about your Go
type interfaces
17:24 < Beoran> if you're willing to pay the price, it's possible to
implement a generic smalltalk/ruby like object system using the reflect package
17:25 < Beoran> I use a map[Message] Method where Method is type Method
func(args ...interface{}) (interface{}) adnd Message can be an int or a string
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17:28 < ni|> hey, i've made a few document changes and have done hg change
and it has been pasted to the issues list -- however i haven't gotten an email to
golang-dev
17:29 < Beoran> Look here to see how I did it:
http://github.com/beoran/fungo/blob/master/gui/hanao.go
17:29 < quotron> thanks Beoran
17:29 < ni|> http://codereview.appspot.com/584041
17:30 < Beoran> it's Zlib license, so feel free to nick it, but give me
credit :)
17:30 < quotron> actually, i'm having these problems with a little game that
i'm trying to do.  i might use your library :)
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17:31 < Beoran> qtron oh, a fellow game programmer
17:32 < Beoran> quotron, what os are you on, and is it 64 bits.
17:32 < Beoran> I need someone to test for me the 64 bits mode
17:32 < Beoran> I have a hunch that keyboard events won't work well there
17:32 < quotron> linux, but here it's 32bit, at home i have a 64bit machine
17:32 < Beoran> quotron, if you could test it at home and sens me a bug
report rthough github that would be fine :)
17:33 < Beoran> what kind of game are you programming, in fact
17:33 < quotron> Beoran: sure, but it will be a long way until i have
something to draw on the screen :P
17:33 < Beoran> oh, I see
17:33 < quotron> trying to implement my first roguelike
17:34 < Beoran> but there is a test program included in fungo
17:34 < Beoran> ah, I see
17:34 < Beoran> well, you could start by using curses, though
17:34 < Beoran> has that been wrapped???
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17:35 < quotron> not that i know of, but someone might have done it
17:35 < quotron> it's popular enough
17:35 < ni|> nvm i can see he has it
17:35 < quotron> and yeah, until i have the art work, i'll have to suffer
with curses
17:36 < Beoran> http://github.com/jabb/gocurse
17:36 < Beoran> or, you could use my lib with SDL and use the ttf functions
:)
17:37 < Beoran> oh, and there are free open source roguelike tiles available
17:37 < quotron> oh, you have ttf
17:37 < quotron> i'll do that
17:39 < Beoran> http://rltiles.sourceforge.net/
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17:39 < Beoran> those tiles atre not that pretty, but good enough for
starting out
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17:40 < Beoran> and I just happen to be working on a tile.Map also :)
17:40 < Beoran> although for a rogualike a tile.Layer will be enough, I
guess.
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17:44 < quotron> hah, those tiles are familiar :)
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17:47 < rajmahendra> I like to install Go in my fedora how can i install ?
17:47 < Beoran> quotron, yes, but why not use them for starting?  :)
17:48 < Beoran> rajmahendra, first you need to install hg (mercurial)
17:48 < Beoran> then you have to pull the golang repository and compile
17:48 < rajmahendra> Beoran, can you give me the commands i am new to
fedora.
17:48 < Beoran> it's all described well on the web page here:
17:49 < Beoran> http://golang.org/doc/install.html
17:49 < rajmahendra> thank you :)
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17:49 < Beoran> in stead of apt-get , use yum install, though
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17:50 < Beoran> apt-get is debian/ubuntu specific
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17:52 < rajmahendra> Can i use Web development with Go i am a Java
programmer
17:52 < nocturnal> http package is pretty nice
17:52 < nocturnal> i can't wait to use it for something
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17:53 < uriel> if you are 'a Java programmer' it will probably require a
considerable amount of 'unlearning'
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17:55 < Beoran> java types are like branches of a tre.  Go types are like
trees in a mixed forest.
17:55 < rajmahendra> uriel i can do unlearning for google :)
17:55 < KirkMcDonald> Google?  Never heard of it.
17:56 < Beoran> I know dozens of programming languages, but Go is so far the
second most convenient language I have used, (Ruby is nr 1).  And it's the most
convenient one that is compiled to machine code.
17:57 < KirkMcDonald> Ruby makes me nervous.
17:57 < uriel> rajmahendra: I wouldn't do much unlearning for google's sake,
you could end up stuck with some really evil fucked up shit (wave for example)
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18:01 < jankoprowski> Hi
18:02 < Beoran> KirkMcDonald, Ruby is very Japanese: designed in the first
place to e convenient for the programmer.  Secondly, slightly crazy.
18:02 < Beoran> hi, jankoprowski
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18:03 < Beoran> I also think Python is typically Dutch: quite hung up on
rules and doing it their own way
18:03 < Beoran> but clean
18:04 < jankoprowski> I have question to testing
18:04 < jankoprowski> I can't make file
18:04 < jankoprowski> for make.cmd
18:04 < Beoran> yes?
18:04 < jankoprowski> with testing
18:04 < jankoprowski> When my Makaefile
18:05 < jankoprowski> err, Makefile
18:05 < jankoprowski> include make.cmd
18:05 < dagle> I wanted to program a project in lisp.  But everybody looked
strange at me when I said that.  :S
18:05 < Beoran> hmmm, jankoprowski I don't tink I quite understand what is
going wrong.  Could you pastie some
18:05 < jankoprowski> yeap
18:05 < Beoran> dagle list is the language with the most powerful semantics
and the must useless syntax
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18:05 < Beoran> lisp I mean
18:06 < dagle> Beoran: Well, no body have done anything more then a couple
of hello world-like examples.
18:06 < dagle> Of us.
18:07 < dagle> I want to try to do something bigger in it.
18:07 < Beoran> I tried to write some scheme macros for the Gimp ...  no fun
:p
18:07 < dagle> But I guess it will end up being written in java.  :/
18:07 < Beoran> dagle Ruby has several semantical features of lisp :)
18:07 < jankoprowski> http://pastebin.com/7PNLBLE7
18:07 < Beoran> and it's syntax is more palatable
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18:08 < Beoran> and there is Jruby which works fine on the JVM
18:09 < jankoprowski> My make file told me there is no rule to make test
18:09 < jankoprowski> but there is file with test
18:10 < uriel> jankoprowski: http://golang.org/cmd/gotest/
18:10 < Beoran> hmm..  strange.  I'm afraid that I had the same problem and
haven't found a solution for it yet :p
18:10 < jankoprowski> test
18:10 < jankoprowski> It looks like
18:10 < jankoprowski> test work only for make.pkg
18:10 < jankoprowski> And doesn't work for make.cmd
18:11 < jankoprowski> When last line of makefile include make.pkg
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18:11 < jankoprowski> all works well but!
18:11 < jankoprowski> I don't get "lab" binary file
18:19 < jankoprowski> So ...
18:19 < jankoprowski> Is this true
18:19 < jankoprowski> The only way
18:20 < jankoprowski> is to make unit tests
18:20 < jankoprowski> is create package
18:20 < jankoprowski> ?
18:20 < uriel> shouldn't pretty mcuh everything be in a package?
18:21 < Beoran> uriel, aha!  indeed!
18:21 <+iant> unit tests can be in the same package or in a different test
package
18:21 < jankoprowski> This is strange
18:22 < jankoprowski> When i write something
18:22 < jankoprowski> this is program
18:22 < jankoprowski> not lib
18:22 < jankoprowski> and I need main() in binary
18:22 < jankoprowski> I can't do this in package
18:22 < jankoprowski> so I must write external package
18:22 <+iant> In Go, everything is in a package
18:22 <+iant> even main() is in the package called "main"
18:23 <+iant> most Go tests today do not use a main() function, they use the
testing package
18:23 <+iant> and the gotest script
18:24 < jankoprowski> I can't get it
18:24 < jankoprowski> w8
18:24 < ShadowIce> would it be possible to write tests inside the main
package and use gotest?
18:25 < jankoprowski> iant: I can't
18:25 < jankoprowski> iant: When my makefile is for package
18:25 < jankoprowski> I don't get
18:25 < jankoprowski> executable file
18:26 < jankoprowski> iant: So it isn't what i need
18:26 < jankoprowski> I need executable file
18:28 < KirkMcDonald> Write a second makefile.
18:29 < KirkMcDonald> (Okay, that may not be a very good solution.)
18:29 < jankoprowski> So I must have
18:30 < jankoprowski> program\main.go with Makefile.cmd and
program\lib\Makefile.pkg ?
18:31 < ShadowIce> you could use gobuild, maybe...  ;)
18:32 < jankoprowski> What is gobuild?
18:32 < jankoprowski> I don't see anything like this in
http://golang.org/cmd/
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18:32 < ShadowIce> http://code.google.com/p/gobuild/
18:33 < jankoprowski> ShadowIce: This smell like workaround
18:33 < jankoprowski> I'am extremly curious of Google guys appointment
18:34 < KirkMcDonald> So what does gobuild do?  Crawl all of the .go files
under a directory tree, and look for 'package' lines?
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18:34 < ShadowIce> KirkMcDonald: sort of, it parses all .go files and build
a dep-graph, then looks for what it must compile and creates either executables or
.a files
18:34 < ShadowIce> +s
18:35 < KirkMcDonald> ShadowIce: What does "all .go files" mean in this
context?
18:36 < ShadowIce> all files that end in ".go"
18:36 < KirkMcDonald> Yes, but where?  Under a given directory?
18:37 < KirkMcDonald> Recursively looking through subdirectories?
18:37 < ShadowIce> yes
18:37 < KirkMcDonald> Then yes, that's what I said.
18:37 < ShadowIce> starting with the current dir
18:38 < jankoprowski> So
18:38 < ShadowIce> yes, but it doesn't "look for package lines", or at least
not in the code I wrote
18:38 < KirkMcDonald> I can think of at least one problem with this
approach.
18:38 < jankoprowski> When I create package?
18:38 < KirkMcDonald> ShadowIce: It doesn't?  Then how does it know which
.go files belong to which package?
18:38 < ShadowIce> it uses go/parser
18:38 < jankoprowski> buy :)
18:38 < KirkMcDonald> Same thing.
18:38 < jankoprowski> Good night :]
18:38 < ShadowIce> (which looks for those lines ;))
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18:38 <+iant> jankoprowski: all the existing Go packages have tests
18:39 <+iant> whoops, too late
18:39 < KirkMcDonald> ShadowIce: Consider a package which contains a
directory with a number of examples.
18:40 < KirkMcDonald> Each example consists of a single .go file, each
belonging to its own 'main' package, each containing its own main function.
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18:42 < ShadowIce> that wouldn't be a problem.  If you just call "gobuild"
it'll give you a list of possible targets, or if you call "gobuild -a" it will
build all examples
18:42 < ShadowIce> the only problem occures if there are two files belonging
to the main package and both of them have something with the same name
18:42 < ShadowIce> and no main function of course
18:42 < KirkMcDonald> Ah.
18:42 < KirkMcDonald> I see.
18:43 < KirkMcDonald> I would also predict issues if you just have
extraneous files sitting around.
18:45 < ShadowIce> only for files with main functions.  If you have for
example two versions of a file from package "file" that are just copies of each
other you'll run into problems
18:46 < KirkMcDonald> Or two files, both claiming to be part of package
"pkg", which both define a function "foo", yes?
18:46 < ShadowIce> exactly
18:47 < KirkMcDonald> Or a file which claims to be part of package "pkg",
which you don't actually want any more, but which defines an init() function
which...  does stuff.
18:47 < ShadowIce> yep
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18:51 < KirkMcDonald> Or: You have a package with a number of users, and at
some point you remove a feature, and this involves removing a source files
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18:51 < KirkMcDonald> But one of your users was lazy and just extracted the
tarball with the new version of the source over the old version's source.
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18:52 < KirkMcDonald> So then *their* package, which uses the removed
feature, continues to work!
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18:52 < KirkMcDonald> (Or at least appears to work, or in any even
compiles.)
18:53 < KirkMcDonald> But then users of this other package complain that it
no longer builds, because they have a proper version of that first package.
18:53 < KirkMcDonald> s/any even/any event/
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20:36 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aKXss by [Conrad Meyer] in
go/src/pkg/crypto/sha512/ -- sha512: add sha384 (truncated version)
20:36 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aKXsv by [Anthony Starks] in go/misc/bbedit/
-- misc/bbedit: support for cmplx, real, imag
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20:52 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aKYln by [Petar Maymounkov] in
go/src/pkg/http/ -- http: add ParseQuery
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fix IPMask.String not to crash on all-0xff mask
21:24 < plexdev> http://is.gd/aL0kF by [Robert Griesemer] in 4 subdirs of
go/ -- godoc: initial support for showing popup information
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21:31 < marcozeta> good evening to evryone
21:32 < marcozeta> and thank you @iant
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21:34 < marcozeta> I have some trubles with interfaces
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21:39 <+iant> marcozeta: what is your question?
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21:40 < marcozeta> I defined an interface, than I implement interface's
method fot other types but they didn't became implementation of that interface
21:40 < marcozeta> i post my code to be clear
21:40 < marcozeta> just a moment
21:43 < marcozeta> http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1894063537
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21:43 < marcozeta> here is the code
21:44 < marcozeta> bin.cakephp.org is a tool to temporary publishing of
source doce snippet
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21:45 <+iant> what goes wrong?
21:45 < marcozeta> you can see note at the begging of the page
21:46 < marcozeta> anyway the problem is that it doesn't compile
21:46 <+iant> you are using *PacketComposite where you should just use
PackageComposite
21:46 < marcozeta> Packet didn't became a PacketInterface implementation
evenif I implement for Packet the right method
21:46 <+iant> *PackageComposite is a pointer to an interface value
21:46 <+iant> you just want an interface value
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21:53 < marcozeta> I found out
21:53 < marcozeta> I implemented the method, but I forget to declare p1, p2,
p3 as PacketComposite (the interface) and than create the Packet with
21:53 < marcozeta> p1 = new(Packet)
21:54 < marcozeta> now it's compiling
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21:56 < marcozeta> ...  and it works
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21:56 < marcozeta> it was an attempt to implement Composite design pattern
in Go language
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23:54 < hstimer> any reason why min and max are included somewhere?  or am I
just not finding them?
23:54 < hstimer> s/are/aren't/
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23:56 < hstimer> ah, it looks like people are defining their own.  odd
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