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00:03 < smw> jshipley: I already made one
http://code.google.com/p/goconf/source/browse/
00:04 < smw> that one works.  So you can import "goconf.googlecode.com/hg"
and it should work
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00:56 < kmeyer> for a Read() method on a new io.Reader() implementation,
should I use the entire slice (i.e.  b[0:cap(b)]) or whatever its length is?
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01:07 < smw> kmeyer: on a slice, you should always read it by it's length
and not capacity.
01:08 < kmeyer> any reason?
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01:09 < smw> yeah, the whole point of the length is so that you know what
part of the slice is used.
01:09 < smw> it is assumed that anything outside of the length does not
exist and has no information
01:09 < smw> isn't that the point of a slice?
01:11 < smw> kmeyer: do you agree?
01:11 < kmeyer> sure, but the point of a reader is to put information into
the slice
01:12 < kmeyer> the reader (by the description in io.Reader) should be
assumed to trash the entire slice
01:12 < smw> oh lol
01:12 < smw> yeah
01:12 < kmeyer> so, is entire slice cap() or len()?  :P
01:12 < kmeyer> I guess that's my question
01:12 < smw> len
01:12 < kmeyer> fair enough :)
01:13 < kmeyer> if rsc yells at me, I blame you
01:13 < kmeyer> ;)
01:13 < smw> lol
01:14 < smw> The other std libs use len
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01:15 < kmeyer> alright
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01:59 < exch> uriel: http://github.com/jteeuwen/go-pkg-usb
01:59 < exch> i'm on a roll :p
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02:01 < uriel> exch: haha
02:01 < uriel> exch: haha
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02:02 < uriel> exch: less bindings, more pure Go libs ;)
02:02 < exch> hehe but this is easier :)
02:02 < smw> uriel: I wish http://godashboard.appspot.com/package
differenciated that.
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02:03 < smw> differentiated*
02:03 < uriel> smw: I have some plans in mind to remedy that, but been too
busy with real-world-crap, barely had time to keep updating
http://go-lang.cat-v.org
02:04 < smw> uriel: you run it?  can you add my lib to it?
02:04 < smw> uriel: http://code.google.com/p/goconf/
02:04 < smw> It is a fork of goconfig that actually compiles
02:04 < smw> I also added a few more features :-)
02:05 < uriel> smw: I mostly maintain all of cat-v.org
02:05 < uriel> I don't have anything to do with godashboard, but plan to
submit some patches when I get a chance
02:05 < smw> no
02:05 < smw> I mean can you add my lib to the cat-v pure libs page
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02:06 < uriel> yea, one sec
02:06 < uriel> smw: is goconfig deprecated?
02:06 < smw> I think so.  It no longer compiles.
02:07 < smw> It has not been updated since nov-2009
02:07 < smw> and that means it is ancient :-P
02:07 < uriel> hehe, indeed
02:08 < smw> uriel: also, the godashboard page is generated automatically
based on how many times people use goinstall on it.
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02:08 < uriel> smw: yea, I know that ;)
02:08 < uriel> smw: what is your name so I can add you as author?
02:08 < smw> Stephen Weinberg
02:09 < uriel> ok, done
02:09 < smw> thanks :-)
02:10 < uriel> exch: how well does go-install work for packages that use
cgo?
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02:11 < exch> no clue.  I haven't used it yet
02:12 < uriel> exch: added your libusb bindings
02:12 < exch> k thanks
02:17 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b4pq7 by [Andrew Gerrand] in go/doc/ -- spec:
typo in switch sample code, missing semicolon
02:17 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b4pqe by [Andrew Gerrand] in
go/src/pkg/crypto/rsa/ -- comment typo in crypto/rsa/rsa.go
02:17 < uriel> exch: if it is not a national security secret, what are you
building?  ;)
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02:24 < exch> nothing in particular really.  After the mp3 thing I got a
taste for making bindings :p So i'm just trolling sourceforge for stuff that may
(or may not) be useful :p
02:24 < smw> uriel: are you going to remove goconfig from the page?
02:24 < uriel> exch: you really expect us to believe that ;P
02:24 < exch> hehe you don't have to, but it's truth :)
02:24 < uriel> exch: confes, you work for apple and you are rewrriting
iTunes in Go!
02:25 < exch> haha yes.  I confess.  Dammit, how did you know?  :p
02:25 < uriel> smw: not for now, I might add a note about it being
outdated...  I usually don't like to remove things unless the author asks for it
02:25 < smw> ok
02:25 < smw> at least say it does not compile with the latest release
02:25 < uriel> exch: I could feel the the power of the
Jobsian-distortion-field
02:26 < uriel> ;P
02:26 < exch> hehe :p
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02:26 < uriel> smw: many packages don't compile with the latest release
unfortunately, so it would be a bit misleading to start marking some when I have
not tested them all
02:26 < smw> ok
02:26 < uriel> smw: but certainly I should probalby add a note to that
effect
02:26 < uriel> also some system to automatically build-test all known
packages might be good
02:27 < smw> that sounds cool
02:27 < exch> Anyone whos busy with go right now will know that many
packages/apps have a distinct chance of not working in the latest go builds :)
02:27 < smw> lol
02:27 < uriel> exch: exactly
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02:29 < smw> uriel: how hard would it be to make a build system like that?
02:29 < uriel> exch: I partially plagiarized your comment in a note in
go-lang.cat-v.org
02:29 < uriel> smw: I have no idea, haven't tried ;)
02:30 < kmeyer> smw: how much do you care about the build machine / vm ?
02:30 * smw is thinking he needs to create tests for his library
02:30 < smw> kmeyer: what?
02:31 < kmeyer> oh, I was thinking you were talking about some sort of
redlight/greenlight status page for all of goinstall or simiarl
02:31 < kmeyer> similar*
02:31 < smw> exactly
02:31 < smw> we need that :-)
02:32 < kmeyer> it needs to be built with much caution :)
02:32 < smw> yeah
02:32 < smw> I could dig up a junker
02:34 < smw> or just get a linode
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05:34 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b4DaK by [Andrew Gerrand] in go/src/pkg/big/
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07:28 < nocturnal> how come the compiler says "cannot use readData (type
[4096]uint8) as type string in function argument" when i try to use a []byte
variable as argument to func (re *Regexp) Match(b []byte) bool
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07:30 < anticw> because it's not a slice
07:31 < nocturnal> i suspected it had to do with slices
07:31 < nocturnal> thank you
07:31 < anticw> nocturnal: make a slice from the array
07:31 < nocturnal> i will have to research this, thank you for the tip
07:31 < anticw> foo,bar = readData(yourArrayThang[0:4096])
07:31 < nocturnal> ohhh
07:31 < nocturnal> thank you very much for that information
07:32 < anticw> np
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08:52 < wrtp> nocturnal, anticw: an array pointer is compatible with a slice
08:53 < wrtp> and from the error message, it looks like nocturnal was trying
to pass it as a string, not an array of byte
08:54 < wrtp> if you've got a literal [4096] array, you can pass its
address, or you can initialise it as a slice.
08:55 < wrtp> if you need it as a string, you can cast it to a string with
string(myArray)
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11:58 < HollyRain> cann't be assigned at the same time several vars.  with
same type?
11:58 < HollyRain> foo1 := foo2 := false
11:59 < HollyRain> yes, I was doing foo1, foo2 := false
12:00 < HollyRain> not possible of those ways
12:01 < HollyRain> foo1, foo2 := false, false
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12:18 < HollyRain> I'l looping a string, how to compare each char.  to
another one?
12:19 < HollyRain> for _, rune := range s {if rune == "s"} => doesn't
works
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12:20 < Kashia> what if you cast that string to an []int (or byte, if
non-unicode) ?
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12:22 < HollyRain> byte("'") => cannot convert "'" to type uint8
12:22 < Kashia> []byte("asdf")
12:22 < Kashia> as there is more than one byte in a string
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12:42 < wrtp> HollyRain: use single quotes for a character.  e.g.  for _,
rune := range s {if rune == 's'
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12:42 < HollyRain> wrtp: yes, I declared as a constant
12:42 < HollyRain> * declared it
12:43 < wrtp> so you got it working?
12:43 < HollyRain> yes
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12:44 < HollyRain> I was confused (respect to chars.  and strings) coming
from python but I learn fast
12:45 < HollyRain> a little doubt
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12:46 < HollyRain> if I have a public, and I use too a public constant (the
first letter in upper case)
12:47 < HollyRain> then that constant could be accessed/changed from
outside?
12:47 < HollyRain> if I have a public function
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12:47 < HollyRain> s/constant/variable
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12:54 < dagle> HollyRain: I don't think go speaks about chars.  Only bytes,
runes and strings.
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13:06 < wrtp> HollyRain: i understand your confusion - i was confused when i
found that python doesn't know about single-characters!
13:06 < wrtp> HollyRain: constants can't be changed
13:07 < wrtp> but constants starting with a capital letter can be accessed
from outside
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13:07 < Surma> Well, if you know the design of UTF-8 and heared Pike say
"It's all UTF-8 only", it's pretty straight forward
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13:08 < wrtp> Surma: in python, "hello"[3][0][0][0] is valid...
13:09 < Surma> I don't consider that a good thing ^^ (and I was talking
about go, maybe I misread something)
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13:10 < wrtp> HollyRain: i've just deciphered your question, and, no, local
variables in functions are never directly from outside, even if they start with a
capital letter
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13:11 < wrtp> Surma: i was just empathising with HollyRain who started with
python, so doesn't distinguish characters from strings
13:13 < dagle> pythons model is a bit strange.
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17:12 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b5ptG by [Roger Peppe] in go/src/pkg/strconv/
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17:43 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b5rKa by [Robert Griesemer] in 2 subdirs of
go/test/ -- bug265: test case for issue 700
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18:28 < HollyRain> how to pass a variable to a regexp?
18:29 < HollyRain> regexp.Compile("[^\\\'\"%s ]*'") %s =>
unicode.White_Space
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18:29 < HollyRain> do I have to use Sprintf to pass all that expression?
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18:46 < HollyRain> how to print chars.  ins unicode.ASCII_Hex_Digit ? type
[]unicode.Range
18:48 <+iant> HollyRain: yes, you would have to use fmt.Sprintf to pass a
variable to a regexp; it's often easier to use a raw string literal for a regexp
because there is no backslash quoting
18:48 < HollyRain> ah, ok
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18:52 < HollyRain> for _, rune := range unicode.White_Space {
fmt.Print(rune) }
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18:56 < anticw> why is there an underscore there?  not that it matters but
it stands out as being different to what is most commonly done
18:57 < anticw> iant: is there some way inside the runtime to cleanly find
the boundaries of the text segment?
18:57 < anticw> (for lack of special symbols and a linker map or similar)
18:57 <+iant> In principle, sure, but I don't think anything is currently
exposed to Go code
18:58 < anticw> i meant inside the runtime (c code)
18:59 <+iant> if you look at runtime/symtab.c you will see access to the
symbol table
19:01 <+iant> and the symbols "data", "etext", and "end" are defined by the
linker
19:01 <+iant> I don't know if there is a "start" symbol, though
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19:17 < korboz> why does cgo arranges structs padding on its own?  i mean,
couldn't you leave that to the compiler?
19:18 <+iant> cgo needs to produce a struct which has the same layout in gcc
and 6g/8g
19:19 <+iant> it uses the padding to ensure that
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19:24 < kfx> that's for the serializer, right
19:25 <+iant> cgo is a program which lets Go code call C code
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19:26 < korboz> iant: oh, gotcha, i was forgetting about the 6g/8g
compatibility
19:26 < korboz> does cgo support nested structs?  i don't see anything in
the code related to it.
19:27 <+iant> I don't know offhand; give it a try and see what happens
19:27 < korboz> i get a 0 instead of 1 :P
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20:16 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b5CMm by [Russ Cox] in 4 subdirs of go/src/ --
runtime: more malloc statistics
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20:33 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b5E9k by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/godoc/ --
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20:50 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b5Fiv by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/strings/ --
strings.FIelds: slight simplification.
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21:37 < smw> does anyone know where I can find documentation on making test
programs for packages?
21:37 < anticw> effective go i think has it
21:38 < smw> ok
21:38 < KirkMcDonald> smw: I have a thing in my optparse library:
21:38 < KirkMcDonald>
http://code.google.com/p/optparse-go/source/browse/Makefile
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21:38 < KirkMcDonald> smw: See the last rule I crammed in there.
21:38 < smw> ok
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21:39 < smw> KirkMcDonald: also, I fixed the things you hate about
configparser
21:39 < KirkMcDonald> And of course there's also a regular ol'
optparse_test.go in there.
21:39 < KirkMcDonald> smw: Neat..
21:39 < smw> KirkMcDonald: http://code.google.com/p/goconf
21:39 < KirkMcDonald> s/\.\././
21:39 < smw> lol
21:40 < smw> It also compiles unlike goconfig :-P
21:40 < KirkMcDonald> Compiling is an excellent bullet point on the feature
list.
21:40 < smw> lol
21:41 < smw> I was putting all the differences from goconfig
21:41 * smw uses lol too much and promises not to use it the rest of the day
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21:58 < defectiv> so i tried to implement the smallest iterator syntax i
could, with a package called "times", that is used like : times.n(42).do(some
function)
21:58 < defectiv> can anyone think of a way i could have done that more
simply?  is there any way to create a function that is called by default if i pass
parameters to the package name?  like in this case times(params)
21:59 < defectiv> i probably should have just done times.do(42, some
function)
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21:59 < Kashia> import (.  "times") n(42).do()
22:00 < defectiv> oh, sweet!
22:00 < defectiv> although maybe not so sweet, if you like modularity.
22:00 < Kashia> you asked for it :P
22:01 < defectiv> i was hoping to be able to call the package with virtually
no arguments.
22:01 < defectiv> wishing there was some syntax that would let you refer to
some default function if you just called the package as a function.
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22:02 < Kashia> if you only have a single function in the times package (and
call it Times)...  :)
22:02 < defectiv> you are kidding me!
22:02 < defectiv> then i can just do times(args) and it's like calling
times.Times(args) ?
22:02 < Kashia> no, I still mean the . import :)
22:03 < defectiv> oh.  :)
22:03 < Kashia> I just mean that the 'modularity' is the same either way
22:04 < defectiv> how so?  what if main already had simething called Times
in it?
22:04 < defectiv> the idea is to have the beauty of namespacing.
22:04 < defectiv> i can create some package that you can use in a very
concise way without having to alter the package.
22:04 < Kashia> well, as you can't (afair) use variable names the same as
imports...
22:04 < defectiv> this isn't a big deal, i was just wondering.
22:05 < defectiv> use variable names as imports?
22:05 < Kashia> import "times"; var times = 25
22:05 < defectiv> you would import "times" times_foo
22:06 < defectiv> so it wouldn't interfere with your local var.
22:06 < defectiv> but that only requires changing the package name locally,
not anything inside the package.
22:06 < Kashia> of course.  I just mean that there are all kinds of
conflicts.
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22:07 < Kashia> but you are right, that if one could "rename" an external
function it would be "helpful" sometimes
22:08 < defectiv> i don't want to be able to rename an external function.
just the package, which i can already do.
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22:08 < defectiv> i just want a way to call some function within that
package automatically when i say package(args)
22:08 < defectiv> but i can't
22:09 < defectiv> it's sort of a stupid thing for me to want.  i just like
that it's concise.  it doesn't really do anything novel.
22:09 < Kashia> well, you want to use a method from a foreign package
22:09 < defectiv> but i don't want to call that method.  i want to call the
package.
22:09 < Kashia> aye, I did get that :P
22:09 < defectiv> :)
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22:09 < Kashia> if there was a syntax like "use Func from pkg" and then do
Func() inside your code..
22:10 < Kashia> doesn't python do something like that?
22:10 < Kashia> that'd be more generic than a package(args)
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22:23 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b5L6r by [Robert Griesemer] in
go/src/pkg/go/ast/ -- go/ast: generalized ast filtering
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22:24 < vpm> hi
22:25 < Eridius> hi
22:26 < smw> hi
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22:40 < smw> how do you make a multiline string variable declaration?
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22:49 < HollyRain> what's wrong with this one?  var whitespace []byte =
{'\t', '\n', '\v', '\f', '\r', ' ', 0x85, 0xA0}
22:50 < Eridius> don't you have to say []byte{...} as the actual value?
22:50 < KirkMcDonald> Yeah, reverse the = and the []byte.
22:51 < Eridius> whitespace := []byte{...}
22:51 < KirkMcDonald> (Unless it is a package-level variable.)
22:51 < KirkMcDonald> (Then you need the 'var' instead of :=.)
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22:53 < HollyRain> now yes, thx
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23:07 < nowhere_man> hi all
23:07 < nowhere_man> I just discovered about Go
23:08 < nowhere_man> as I know some people in Google have an interest in
security and especially in object-capability, I'm wondering if this was considered
in the design of Go...
23:08 < nowhere_man> (ocaps, I mean)
23:17 < skelterjohn> what does object-capability mean
23:17 < skelterjohn> or ocaps
23:18 < skelterjohn> and as for security, it does a number of things that
make it very difficult to have buffer overflow errors, i suppose
23:19 < KirkMcDonald> skelterjohn:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capability-based_security
23:20 < skelterjohn> is that something like a mutex?
23:20 < KirkMcDonald> No.
23:20 < skelterjohn> after skimming one paragraph of the wiki
23:20 < skelterjohn> heh
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23:21 < KirkMcDonald> You have a thing which objects can do, like (say)
accessing a particular file.
23:21 < KirkMcDonald> Some objects are permitted to do this, some are not.
23:21 < KirkMcDonald> So to the objects which may do it, you give them a
"capability" which permits the operation.
23:22 < skelterjohn> it discusses tying this into the OS
23:22 < KirkMcDonald> Yes.
23:23 < KirkMcDonald> nowhere_man: To answer your question: No, Go has no
particular support for capabilities.
23:24 < nowhere_man> skelterjohn: ocaps are just taking objects a little bit
further
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23:24 < nowhere_man> you just prohibit static attributes and two objects can
only communicate if they have a reference/pointer to each other
23:25 < skelterjohn> i feel like that is not "just" what there is :)
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23:25 < nowhere_man> skelterjohn: it's like Go
23:25 < nowhere_man> (the game)
23:25 < nowhere_man> the rules are simple, the strategies infinite
23:26 < nowhere_man> the beauty with ocaps is that a security policy is just
some arrangement of a graph of objects
23:26 < nowhere_man> and you can create and compose policies
23:27 < nowhere_man> it's like a programming language for security, in some
sort
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