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00:10 < yebyen> isn't there a shorthand array syntax?
00:10 < yebyen> like { e1, e2, e3 }
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00:12 < KirkMcDonald> []T{e1, e2, e3}
00:12 < kmeyer> Damn, beat me.
00:12 < yebyen> KirkMcDonald: oh
00:12 < yebyen> thanks
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03:54 < anticw> where was the non-existent map key change discussed?
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03:57 < anticw> nm, i found it...
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05:33 < meatmanek> how do you specify multiple directories with -I for
gobuild?
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06:11 < HollyRain> os there any repository for golang where to see the
changes?
06:11 < HollyRain> *is
06:12 < meatmanek> you mean the code for go itself?
06:12 < meatmanek> https://go.googlecode.com/hg/
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06:13 < HollyRain> yes, although it doesn't shows the changes
06:14 < HollyRain> I believe that there was a mirror in bitbucket or github
06:14 < HollyRain> to see if I canf find it
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06:17 < KirkMcDonald> http://code.google.com/p/go/source/list
06:18 < jessta> HollyRain: someone keeps a git mirror of it at
http://github.com/tav/go
06:18 < HollyRain> yes, I just to tinf it too :)
06:18 < HollyRain> s/tinf/find
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07:52 < wrtp> http://godashboard.appspot.com/benchmarks oh dear!
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08:03 < kmeyer> wrtp: it's been like that for a while (or, it was like that
last time I tried it)
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11:08 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b83rq by [Robert Griesemer] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/go/printer/ -- go/printer: follow-up on CL 802043
11:08 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b83rx by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/runtime/arm/
-- runtime: fix arm build, slightly.
11:09 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b83rV by [Robert Griesemer] in 3 subdirs of
go/ -- godoc: support for title and subtitle headers when serving .html docs
11:09 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b83st by [Andrew Gerrand] in 2 subdirs of go/
-- release 2010-03-30
11:09 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b83sJ by [Rob Pike] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/ -- Unicode: provide an ability to supplement the case-mapping tables
11:09 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b83td by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/unicode/ --
Unicode: fix stupid typo in comment.
11:09 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b83tk by [Andrew Gerrand] in go/ --
release.2010-03-30 part two
11:09 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b83ty by [Andrew Gerrand] in 2 subdirs of
go/misc/dashboard/godashboard/ -- godashboard: new stylesheet, build status
pagination
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11:34 < HollyRain> could be passed the name of a method from a function to
another one?
11:34 < HollyRain> for that the second function calls to that method
11:39 < Surma> HollyRain: IF that's possible, than only with something from
reflect or unsafe
11:39 < Surma> from those packages, i mean
11:40 < HollyRain> I'll see reflect
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11:44 < uriel> why not pass a function pointer?
11:44 < uriel> why not pass a function pointer?
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12:10 < Zoopee> Why do the gc/gl compilers use such variable suffixes
('6'/'8'/'5') for object files, and is there a good conventional way to define
rules building go stuff (i.e.  src->obj, objs+libs->executable) using
standard Makefiles?
12:12 < nocturnal> it's a convention from plan9
12:12 < taruti> Plan9 reasons
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12:12 < taruti> Zoopee: just define a $O suffix and use that
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12:13 < nocturnal> taruti: what's that?  some sort of environmental variable
the compiler can use?
12:13 < nocturnal> first time i hear about it
12:13 < taruti> nocturnal: look at the provided Makefiles
12:13 < nocturnal> will do
12:15 < rlab> $O defined at Make.$(GOARCH) (http://golang.org/src/Make.386
as example)
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12:16 < Zoopee> In Makefiles for C code I have rules like .c.o: (how to
build an object a source file) and then "foo: foo.o bar.o", which just work on any
architecture because the filenames are uniform.  It's sort of more difficult when
the object file and compiler/linker command names are not fixedÂ...
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12:16 < taruti> .go.$(O): ...
12:17 < tvw> gotest gives me "please create a Makefile for gotest".  But I
am not using make at all but rake.  How can I run tests without make or gotest?
12:17 < Zoopee> Defining O= sort'a works, but it's otherwise nice to just
have the "make" command work if the tools are installed somewhere in $PATH,
without requiring external definitions.
12:18 < Zoopee> The Makefiles supplied with go appear to be GNU Make
specific...
12:19 < tvw> Zopee: I am not using make or GNU Make, I just want gotest to
skip the make part.
12:20 < Zoopee> Maybe it's worth having the installation install some
Makefile.arch in a relative location that can be queried by godefs or something...
12:20 < Zoopee> BBIAB.
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12:27 < tvw> How should such a Makefile.arch look like?  Can I use a general
makefile for all my projects to satisfy gotest?
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12:28 < uriel> actually it is not 'Plan 9 reasons', the reasons are
portability and croscompiling-friendliness
12:28 < taruti> well they do come from Plan9
12:29 < taruti> and not really enough
12:29 < uriel> the system is explained in
http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/compiler
12:29 < taruti> (i.e.  cross-compiling for many different operating systems
is not nice with the O-suffix)
12:30 < uriel> they come from wanting to handle cross compilation cleanly
and elegantly (and the compilers actually predate Plan 9 and were originally
written in Research Unix if I'm not mistaken)
12:31 < uriel> taruti: and yes, when you have multiple OSes and multiple
arches it is a bit trickier, but still a huge improvement
12:32 < taruti> personally I would profer foo.go -> .$GOOS.$GOARCH/foo.o
12:38 < nocturnal> simply said, plan9 is an os made to run on more than one
architecture so they have file name extensions to differentiate between compiled
files for different archs in the same cluster.
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12:43 < tvw> OK, I wrote a little makefile linking to rake for each rule
gotest requires.  So far so good.  What I wonder: what is the importpath rule for.
12:48 < Zoopee> nocturnal/taruti: but doesn't that break by the eventual
executable filenames (which are just plain program filenames, without "6" or
whatever in them)?
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12:49 < Zoopee> The way I always dealt with it was by having separate
directories for arch independent stuff, and for arch-dependent stuff.  Actually
the Plan9 model should work great with that as you can overlay/union them.
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12:55 < Zoopee> Basically, something like
/usr/ldist/{common,i386,ip32,sun4,mipsel,axp} (with optionally another level under
that for different OSes, i.e.  386bsd/darwin/linux/sunos/irix/ultrix, in there).
Then if you have the same stuff installed for i386 and axp, your
/usr/ldist/{i386,axp} trees look alike.
12:55 < Zoopee> /usr/ldist/i386/bin/foo and /usr/ldist/axp/lib/libfoo.a, but
/usr/ldist/common/bin/quux.sh since it is architecture independent.
12:57 < Zoopee> uriel: and then in a plan9-like FS union, you have, say,
/usr/local = union(/usr/ldist/common,/usr/ldist/i386).
12:59 < Zoopee> Distinguishing those at the directory level, rather than at
the level of every single file, makes more sense as you only need to be in the
right root directory, and don't need to worry about filenames.  Also, the short
scheme of single-digit architecture aliases seems like it would get confusing, and
not really scale for more than a few architectures.
13:08 < tvw> does anybody have an example makefile for a simple project that
uses all tasks gotest requires.  I cannot find any examples on the web and
googling for go or gotest brings a lot of funny results not at all related to go.
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13:21 < uriel> tvw: you probably can find a few at
http://go-lang.cat-v.org/go-code
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13:34 < tvw> uriel: thanks.  those make dependencies make a painful start
for someone who never used make nor go.  I think those examples will help me a
lot.
13:35 < uriel> no problem, using make for go is rather simple compared to C
13:37 < tvw> maybe it is: what was strange to me is that gotest calls make.
I expected "make test" would call gotest.
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16:41 < tvw> is there a way to avoid the "declared but not used" error?
16:41 < tvw> something like donothing(p)
16:45 < Surma> This is rather a compiler thing.  afaik, there's no flag to
turn this behaviour off, though
16:47 < tvw> Surma: I thought there would be some way to explicitly not use
the variable just declared just to satisfy the compiler.
16:47 < Surma> well for variables there's _
16:47 < fwiffo> tvw: _ = var
16:48 < tvw> fwiffo: thanks
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18:43 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b8D19 by [Russ Cox] in 7 subdirs of go/ -- gc:
implement panic and recover
18:43 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b8D1h by [Russ Cox] in go/test/ -- test for
panic and recover
18:45 < rsaarelm> We got exceptions just now?
18:45 < Surma> hopefully not
18:45 < rsaarelm> Recover probably isn't quite the same as excp handling
since no-one's calling it that, but still.
18:46 < Surma> well.  I like the os.Error-passing and the occasional
panicking much more comfortable than exceptions
18:46 < Surma> s/like/find/
18:47 < rsaarelm> Based on the commit message above, we just got the new
recover from panic system that's been discussed in the mailing list.
18:49 < kmeyer> part of it
18:49 < kmeyer> I think the runtime implementation may still be missing?
18:50 < kmeyer> hm, maybe not
18:50 < rsaarelm> Well there are unit tests that use recover now.
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18:51 < kmeyer> yeah, that's what changed my mind ;)
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18:56 < d_b> Is it possible to nest packages in go?
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19:02 < d_b> ??
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19:10 < rsaarelm> I don't think so.
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runtime: make type assertion a runtime.Error, the first of many
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regexp: use panic/recover to handle errors
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go/src/pkg/tabwriter/ -- tabwriter: use panic/recover to handle errors
23:08 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b8Uej by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/gc/ -- gc:
fix alignment on non-amd64
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23:41 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b8W9w by [Robert Griesemer] in go/doc/ -- go
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