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00:27 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b8YOU by [Andrew Gerrand] in go/src/pkg/json/
-- json: use panic/recover to handle errors in Marshal
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00:32 < JBeshir> And so the abuse begins!
00:32 < JBeshir> :P
00:32 < jessta> abuse?
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00:33 < jessta> looks pretty good to me
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01:14 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b91zn by [Rob Pike] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/ -- testing/regexp: use recover.
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03:01 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b97kB by [Russ Cox] in go/src/ -- build script
tweaks
03:01 < plexdev> http://is.gd/b97kE by [Evan Shaw] in go/misc/kate/ -- kate:
Update for recent language changes
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10:18 < tvw> what does "implicit assignment" mean?
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10:37 < rsaarelm> tvw: I get the impression from a mailing list thread that
it refers to assignment of structs which have unexported (name starting with lower
case) fields.
10:38 < rsaarelm> If you do this outside the struct's package, the
assignment involves implicit access to the unexported field which you aren't
supposed to be able to access.
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10:39 < tvw> but isn't implicit access what you want, when you want to make
a difference between the internal representation and the methods you give to the
user of your object?
10:42 < tvw> but I think, I tried it the wrong way anyway in the sense of
how go is working.
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10:45 < rsaarelm> It seemed from the mailing list thread that the problem
comes up when you combine unexported fields and pass-by-value types (no * in
type).
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10:46 < rsaarelm> Are you doing something like that?
10:46 < tvw> yes, I had a method that was defined on a value to a struct
with unexported fields.
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10:48 < rsaarelm> So you might try to either define the method on a pointer
or make the fields exported.
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10:50 < tvw> yes, that was how it was before.  I just tried it out to test
something else and wondered how I can do something as a programmer, which is not
explicit.
10:51 < tvw> to me it sounds more as a strange access violation.
10:51 < rsaarelm> So the problem happens when you try to call the
pass-by-value method, which tries to implicitly make a copy of the value type and
fails since it's run in a context where the unexported fields can't be accessed.
10:52 < rsaarelm>
http://groups.google.com/group/golang-nuts/browse_thread/thread/46b7f1323f946874/42a5200ace743acd
Here's the mailing list thread, it's probably better than me guessing at stuff I
don't really know about.
10:53 < tvw> yes, I see.  Since I do only method calls in the other context,
I was totally surprised, that the fields are also considered beeing in this
context.
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10:54 < tvw> thanks, I came to the same result, but it is good for a newbe
to go, to get a confirmation that my thoughts are right.
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11:03 < tvw> I implemented some sort of inheritance as in Vehicle ->
(Car, Van) including methods and state for Vehicle.  Vehicle, Car and Van.
Everything is working fine.  Now I want to define a method, which accepts any
vehicle as a parameter.
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11:05 < tvw> I think, I have to make Vehicle beeing an interface rather than
beeing a struct.  What happens to the state for vehicle?
11:05 < JBeshir> It needs moving into Car and Van.
11:06 < tvw> so I need to repeat the state for each vehicle I define???
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11:07 < JBeshir> I believe there are mechanisms for including structs in
other structs.
11:07 < JBeshir> Not sure of the details there.
11:08 < tvw> yes it is.  thats how my code is in the moment without the
interface.
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11:09 < JBeshir> Then you just need to define a vehicle interface as well,
with a different name.
11:09 < JBeshir> BaseVehicle for the base structure might make sense or
something.
11:09 < tvw> OK, I will try this.  But I guess that I also have to change
the signature of the methods for Vehicle.
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11:11 < JBeshir> I'm not sure of the details.
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11:23 < tvw> Yes, it did work and was much simplier, than I thought - though
it took my two days to write this code instead of 30 minutes.  But these are my
first two days with go ;-) Thanks for your help.
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11:34 < rsaarelm> Yeah, that's a bit of traditional OO stuff you need to
unlearn.
11:35 < rsaarelm> Go does polymorphism with interfaces and implementation
reuse inheritance with struct embedding.  The two are always separate from each
othre.
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11:39 < tvw> Yes, it is different.  But to be honest: I prefer the clear
syntax of ruby over go.  But since I am using go for things where others use
C/C++, go seems to be very ok to me.
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13:42 * uriel finds the Go syntax much more clear and simple than Ruby's which is
totally shapeless and has a thousand ways to do the same thing
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14:11 < uriel> I'm sure others have seen it, but this is a really neat
little tool:
14:11 < uriel>
http://obscure-texts.blogspot.com/2010/03/what-is-this-arclight-is-tool-for.html
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15:22 < exch> is there some builtin routin to concatenate 2 slices, or do I
have to do the manual loopy thing?
15:22 < exch> *routine
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15:36 < wrtp> exch: t := make([]T, len(s1) + len(s2)); copy(t, s1);
copy(t[len(s1):], s2)
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15:36 < wrtp> no loop necessary
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15:37 < exch> ah nice
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runtime: correct memory leak in select
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20:20 < quag> While using a vector to store structs, how do I get a slice of
the structs?
20:20 < quag> vec.Data() will return []interface{}, but I can't seem to cast
the []interface{} back to my []Struct type
20:20 < quag> hmmm...  must be missing something
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20:25 < KirkMcDonald> There's a word for that, but I can't remember it.
20:26 < KirkMcDonald> Damn.  But, basically, while a Struct is an
interface{}, this does not mean that a []String is an []interface{}.
20:26 < KirkMcDonald> Er.
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20:26 < KirkMcDonald> s/String/Struct/
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20:29 < quag> I think I know the word you are thinking of
20:29 < quag> C# recently added smarter support for it
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20:29 < quag> and it is complicated
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20:30 < quag> Is the only option to create a new array, and copy over each
of the items?
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20:40 < leimy> I got a Segfault trying to call .String() on an err returned
from exec.Run
20:40 < leimy> http://paste.lisp.org/display/97214
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20:41 < leimy> Oh it's an os.Error
20:43 < leimy> Is this a known issue I've not found yet, a new one, or did I
do something incorrectly?
20:47 < HollyRain> at the end, is better use tabs or spaces?  I know that
there was an discussions about it but I don't know about the decission
20:48 < KirkMcDonald> HollyRain: Spaces, of course.
20:48 < leimy> Use a proportional fount and an editor with elastic tab
stops.
20:48 < leimy> just kidding :-).
20:48 < HollyRain> KirkMcDonald: 3 or 4?
20:48 < leimy> 2
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20:49 < KirkMcDonald> HollyRain: Whatever gofmt does, which I seem to
remember is 4.
20:49 < KirkMcDonald> Might be 2.
20:49 < leimy> looks like 8 here
20:49 < HollyRain> leimy: no please, like in ruby, it makes the code very
ugly, it makes it all together
20:50 < HollyRain> leimy: then, it's because is using tabs
20:50 < leimy> oh right!
20:50 < leimy> that's the default
20:50 < HollyRain> leimy: then, the default is tabs?
20:51 < leimy> I don't know, I use emacs with the go mode :-)
20:51 < leimy> whatever it does seems ok :-)
20:51 < leimy> looks like real tabs to me.
20:51 < HollyRain> ok
20:52 < leimy> I've known of and known some of the go developers (online at
least) for a good while, and I suspect they'd advocate tabs...  though I
understand the reasons people want spaces.
20:53 * leimy is one of those condescending plan 9 using sorts.
20:53 < KirkMcDonald> The extent to which I don't actually care about
indentation styles is vast.
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20:53 < KirkMcDonald> For this reason, I really like the idea of gofmt.
20:53 < leimy> KirkMcDonald: yeah, I just do whatever people typically want
around their codebase.
20:53 < leimy> I figure if it's that big of a deal, someone needs something
else to worry about.
20:54 < leimy> Like right now I'm surprised by this segfault
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20:54 < leimy> I've tried it on 32bit linux and 64bit mac os, and it's the
same.
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21:01 < leimy> oh crap
21:02 < leimy> I just saw what I did I think...  :-)
21:02 < leimy> yep
21:02 < leimy> that was dumb
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21:02 < leimy> os.Error has to be checked against nil.
21:02 < leimy> duh
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21:46 < uriel> 20:53 * leimy is one of those condescending plan 9 using
sorts.
21:46 < uriel> a plan 9 user that uses emacs?  *interesting*
21:46 < uriel> 20:53 < KirkMcDonald> The extent to which I don't
actually care about indentation styles is vast.
21:46 < uriel> KirkMcDonald: you are wise
21:47 < uriel> (ok, sorry for the snipping of backlog, I should go sleep
instead ;P)
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21:47 < dagle> :P
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22:43 < plexdev> http://is.gd/balPo by [Robert Griesemer] in
go/src/pkg/debug/macho/ -- debug/macho: don't crash when reading non-Mach-O files
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22:59 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bana9 by [Robert Griesemer] in
go/src/pkg/debug/macho/ -- debug/macho: fix error message format
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