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00:07 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bBhKH by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/reflect/ --
reflect: implement Set(nil), SetValue(nil) for PtrValue and MapValue
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00:07 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bBhKM by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/runtime/ -- runtime: rename cgo2c, *.cgo to goc2c, *.goc
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00:54 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bBkob by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/gc/ -- gc:
print x[y:] correctly
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01:42 < nsheretic> running go on ubuntu can anyone explain how to use types
or functions from different files in the same package?  trying to do an import
doesn't work and a compile error comes back as undefined when i try to reference
something from a different go file in the same package
01:43 < nsheretic> I have both files included in the make fille of the
package and have the package included in the make file of the source code root
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01:44 < fogus> I am here
01:45 < nsheretic> great except you don't know anything about go
01:45 < fogus> nsheretic: well, you know
01:45 < fogus> but I can certainly see your text
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03:44 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bBusu by [Evan Shaw] in 2 subdirs of go/ --
big: Add Lsh and Value; convert pidigits to use big
03:44 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bBusD by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/cmd/ -- 6l, 8l: include ELF header in PT_LOAD mapping for text segment
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04:15 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bBwm3 by [Andrew Gerrand] in go/doc/ --
go_faq: add question: Why does Go perform badly on benchmark X?
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04:32 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bBxiO by [Evan Shaw] in go/src/pkg/big/ --
big: reduce the number of allocations
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04:48 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bByaY by [Evan Shaw] in go/src/pkg/big/ --
big: eliminate redundant array lookups
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05:19 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bBzSH by [Kyle Consalus] in
go/src/pkg/strings/ -- strings: add ReadRune to Reader
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06:06 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bBCrR by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/big/ -- big:
fix build - start with zero in scanN
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09:23 < GilJ> Is there a unit testing framework for Go?
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10:07 < Archwyrm> GilJ: Looked at gotest?
10:09 < GilJ> Yeah someone msg'd it to me, thanks alot:)
10:09 < Archwyrm> Ok =)
10:13 < taruti> is there a nicer way of saying: "if(err != nil) { return }"
?
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10:24 < Archwyrm> taruti: That looks pretty concise to me..
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11:39 < chressie> taruti: to be more concise leave the parentheses away: if
err != nil { return }
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11:44 < rsaarelm> I'm not sure what a significantly nicer way could be
expected to look like, except something weird perlish "return unless err;"
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14:59 < taruti> Is there a more intuitive way of doing:
14:59 < taruti> defer func(){ err=wrap_error(err) }()
15:00 < taruti> or is that plain evil and should not be used?
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15:03 < taruti> that seems to fail silently
15:04 < rsaarelm> Looks like it should work.
15:05 < taruti> "func t() (r int) { defer func(){ r = 3 }(); r = 1; return
}" returns 1
15:05 < rsaarelm> And you could make wrap_error take a pointer
(pointer-to-pointer?) to err so that it can modify it and just do "defer
wrap_error(&err)"
15:06 < rsaarelm> Do debug printfs in the deferred closure get printed?
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15:07 < rsaarelm> Looks like a bug to me, but I'm going to leave this one to
someone who knows more about weird edge cases.
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15:13 < kmeyer> make r a pointer type
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15:15 < kmeyer> I get 3 with this code:
15:16 < kmeyer> func t() (r *int) { a := 1; r = &a; defer func(){ *r = 3
}(); return }
15:17 < kmeyer> r is copied into the environment of the defered function's
closure -- it's not a reference
15:17 < kmeyer> so it needs to be a pointer type
15:17 < kmeyer> or at least, that's my guess
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15:20 < taruti> r/err is os.Error
15:21 < taruti> btw when releasing new Go packages what is the preferred way
of licensing them?  Just using the Go license seems problematic since it mentions
google/go in dozens of places but is there a community consensus on what to use?
15:22 < uriel> taruti: use MIT/BSD license
15:22 < taruti> MIT it is then.
15:22 < uriel> the Go license is basically just that
15:25 < kmeyer> taruti: os.Error is a pointer type ;)
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17:23 < ker2x> Friendly greetings \o/
17:26 < ker2x> i'm learning go, i want to do something but i'm not sure if
it's possible
17:27 < ker2x> i want to produce random complex number, then consume it with
multiple filter and transform stage, using multiple thread, of course
17:27 < kimelto> morning!
17:29 < ker2x> ex : random number -> quick rejection of some number ->
complex rejection of number that passed the 1st stage -> more complex filter
-> iterate and transform (heavy math) -> write result
17:29 < ker2x> i expect that more than 50% of produced number will be
rejected before the last stage
17:31 < ker2x> is it possible to have a thread that write endlessly in a
buffered channel ? and block when the buffer is full, and refill it while it's
consumed
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17:34 < ker2x> meep ?
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17:40 < taruti> I wrote some crypto envelope code in Go that was missing
from what I needed @
http://bitbucket.org/taruti/go-crypto-envelope/src/tip/envelope.go if anyone wants
to review it.  (it still needs some eyes before publishing)
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18:05 < manveru> ker2x: yes, it is
18:05 < ker2x> ha, thx :)
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18:06 < manveru> you simply make a channel with your desired buffer size,
the producer can then put random numbers in there and the consumer just pops them
when it's ready
18:07 < manveru> lemme know if you need help with that, goroutines and
channels are pretty straightforward though
18:09 < manveru> hrm
18:10 < manveru> if i have an interface I and a struct S that satisfies
interface I, why can't i take an argument *I and pass &S as parameter?
18:11 < KirkMcDonald> Those two pointers have nothing to do with each other.
18:12 < KirkMcDonald> Notice that, typically, you write it so that *S
satisfies I, rather than S.
18:12 < manveru> right, i did that too
18:12 < JBeshir> manveru: It's because an interface containing S is a
different thing to S.
18:12 < JBeshir> manveru: An interface is like a superpointer
18:13 < JBeshir> Which also points to a function table for the type
18:13 < KirkMcDonald> The type *I isn't all that useful.
18:13 < manveru> but if i cannot pass &S, how is the function supposed to
mutate the argument?
18:13 < KirkMcDonald> Or, it is, but it's more like a pointer-to-a-pointer.
18:13 < JBeshir> You can pass O.
18:13 < JBeshir> *I
18:13 < manveru> oh, cast?
18:13 < KirkMcDonald> manveru: No, don't cast it.
18:13 < JBeshir> No, not cast.
18:13 < JBeshir> (In fact, you can't do that)
18:14 < KirkMcDonald> var i I = s; f(&i)
18:14 < manveru> aha!
18:14 < manveru> so i simply do fun F(x I) and call F(&S)
18:14 < manveru> given that *S satisfies I
18:14 < KirkMcDonald> Yes.
18:14 < JBeshir> If I is satisfied by *S, that would make sense.
18:15 < manveru> ok, thanks
18:15 < manveru> is there some convention that functions that have no
side-effects should not be defined on *S but S instead?
18:16 < manveru> s/functions/methods/
18:16 < JBeshir> I don't think so.  It would be a curious convention for
"const".
18:16 < manveru> heh
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18:16 < JBeshir> I actually think it'd be interesting.
18:16 < JBeshir> Has big efficiency issues, though.
18:17 < manveru> yeah, i wondered about that
18:17 < manveru> afaik everytime you define a method on S, *S is copied and
passed?
18:18 < manveru> (on calling it)
18:18 < JBeshir> No, every time you define a method on S, S is copied and
passed.
18:18 < JBeshir> Like a normal function parameter.
18:18 < manveru> ok...
18:18 < manveru> so even the pointer is copied and passed, but that has less
overhead?
18:18 < JBeshir> Yes, assuming *S is smaller than S
18:19 < JBeshir> And that is normally true.
18:19 < manveru> ah, alright
18:20 < manveru> i'm still struggling with the type system, but it makes
sense slowly
18:21 < JBeshir> manveru: Basically, an interface is a tiny pointer to a
function table, plus either the data of the type or a pointer to it, depending on
whether what it is defined on fits in a smallish space.
18:21 < JBeshir> From my recollection.
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18:35 < manveru> hmm, seems like rand is always seeded the same
18:36 < manveru> does anyone have an example for Source?
18:38 < manveru> or maybe i can just switch to crypto/rand for seeding
18:42 < uriel> interesting: http://www.usenix.org/events/go_tut10/
18:44 < manveru> nice...  but so far away :(
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18:47 < ker2x> manveru: thank you, that's what i expected (just channel)
18:47 < ker2x> i'll continue to learn and try :)
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19:14 < manveru> JBeshir: is there some way to define methods on interfaces?
19:14 < JBeshir> Interfaces exist to provide an interface to the methods of
the things they're on.
19:15 < manveru> if S1 and S2 are both I, i'd like to define a common
function for them
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19:16 < manveru> right now i do func F(I), but func (I) F() feels more
natural...
19:17 < manveru> and i don't think that would violate any of the typing
philosophy?
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19:24 < nsheretic> just updated the source tree and now nothing will make
(complains about imports) anyone with similar issue?
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19:27 < uriel> did you make clean first?
19:27 < nsheretic> yes
19:27 < nsheretic> ran deps.bash as well (running on ubuntu)
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19:28 < nsheretic> I get Error 1 and Error 2
19:29 < nsheretic> although now it is not complaining about imports, but No
such file or directory ($GOROOT/lib/lib9.a )
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20:18 < yebyen> can someone tell me what this error means
20:18 < yebyen> main.go:32: implicit assignment of wagon.WagonFactory field
'myWagons' in method receiver
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20:21 < KirkMcDonald> Sounds like you're assigning a struct with private
fields by-value.
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20:37 < yebyen> KirkMcDonald: maybe
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21:59 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bCBP3 by [Rob Pike] in go/test/bench/ --
test/bench: reenable chameneosredux for gccgo.
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23:15 < nsheretic> test
23:15 < nsheretic> having some trouble understanding package creation, can
anyone explain which source files should be declared "package main" and which ones
should be "package myPackage" ?
23:16 < taruti> All source files in a package should be "package foobar"
23:16 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bCGDi by [Andrew Gerrand] in go/doc/ -- faq:
more up-to-date info about the Windows port
23:16 < nsheretic> when i do that and try to link it complains about not
having a main.main
23:16 < taruti> Applications are typically in ackage main.
23:17 < taruti> nsheretic: are you using a correct Makefile?
23:17 < nsheretic> I believe so
23:17 < taruti> so "make" creates link errors?
23:18 < nsheretic> include ../../Make.$(GOARCH)
23:18 < nsheretic> TARG=myPackage
23:18 < nsheretic> GOFILES=\
23:18 < nsheretic> main.go
23:18 < nsheretic> myFile.go
23:18 < nsheretic> include ../../Make.pkg
23:18 < nsheretic> that's my make file
23:18 < nsheretic> within my package
23:18 < nsheretic> i added my package name to the make file in go/src/pkg
23:18 < nsheretic> running on ubuntu, 8g *.go works fine
23:19 < nsheretic> but when i try 8l main.8
23:19 < taruti> you should not 8l main.8 if main.go is in the package.
23:19 < nsheretic> gotcha
23:19 < taruti> package = library
23:19 < nsheretic> so if i want to write an app that uses packages i have
written it should go in main
23:20 < nsheretic> anything i want to link should be in main, is that
correct?
23:20 < taruti> app = package main.
23:20 < taruti> library = package foobar
23:21 < nsheretic> so none of the source files in the library will have a
func main() ?
23:21 < taruti> yes.
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23:21 < nsheretic> that makes sense thanks a bunch
23:22 < nsheretic> what if you write more than one app?  everytime you link
something it has output of 8.out
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23:23 < nsheretic> is 8.out just the executable of whatever app you last
linked?
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23:23 < taruti> yes, like a.out with gcc
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23:24 < nsheretic> ok, thanks again, just a total newbie to this Go stuff
23:24 < taruti> you can use an another Makefile for apps that takes care of
that.
23:25 < nsheretic> would that be another makefile in package main?  or in
$GOROOT/src/pkg ?
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23:26 < taruti> personally I have foolib/{Makefile, foolib package sources,
...} and barapp/{Makefile, application sources ...}
23:26 < taruti> there is Make.cmd and Make.pkg
23:27 < taruti> thus both Makefiles are stubs including Go Makefiles
23:27 < nsheretic> ok
23:28 < taruti> (yes, there should be a better tutorial on this, it is quite
confusing)
23:28 < nsheretic> no kidding
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23:31 < kmeyer> we need a mailing list ban on Joan :S
23:33 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bCIoi by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/utf16/ --
utf16: add DecodeRune, EncodeRune
23:33 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bCIop by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/xml/ -- xml:
new "innerxml" tag to collect inner XML
23:33 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bCIoJ by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/runtime/ --
runtime: switch state back to Grunning after recovery
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23:38 < uriel> kmeyer: he is fucking getting on my nerves
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23:45 < ptrb> I emailed Joan yesterday directly, said explicitly "Stop
posting" -- no dice
23:46 < TMKCodes> xD
23:47 < nf> no point getting bent out of shape about it
23:48 < nf> as long as people keep feeding him, he'll hang around
23:48 < nf> he will get bored before long, though.
23:49 < ptrb> i don't agree that anybody is feeding him
23:49 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bCK4a by [Russ Cox] in 3 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/ -- json: Marshal, Unmarshal using new scanner
23:49 < ptrb> he just lacks the normal human sense of shame
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23:51 < nf> he's not information-seeking, he's attention-seeking
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23:51 < nf> shame him all you like, even if he does feel shame, he's being
satisfied by the attention
23:51 < ptrb> i don't get that vibe at all
23:51 < ptrb> but, you might be right
23:51 < nf> what other rationalisation is there?
23:52 < nf> i think he's a peculiar character, and doesn't satisfy the
stereotype of the attention-seeking troll
23:52 < sladegen> reality tunnels...  he is on a totally different trip.
23:52 < nf> but i think he's using "learning go" as an excuse to interact
with people, and take advantage of their enthusiasm for a subject he doesn't seem
particularly interested in understanding himself
23:53 < ptrb> the other rationalization is he's a marginally-competant
programmer who got it in his head he wants to try out this newfangled whatever,
but lacks both the skill to be able to do it effectively and the sense of
self-reflection to acknowledge it
23:53 < nf> ptrb: and, importantly, the humility to admit that he might not
understand something
23:54 < uriel> ptrb: I emailed him privately a few times asking him to
please take into account that thousands of people read the list, he answered
saying I should send such comments to the list itself and refused to answer!
23:54 < ptrb> have you looked at his other github/bitbucket projects?
similar in that they don't accomplish anything meaningful, but do so with a great
verbosity of badly-formed code
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23:56 < uriel> idiots often think they are much smarter than they are
23:56 < uriel> I don't think his problem is lack of humility (although I
doubt he is overflowing with it), but more like total lack of self-awareness
23:56 < ptrb> no doubt, particularly apt given the latest "why return int
when you can return uint8 to save memory" spiel
23:56 < nf> uriel: i'm way smarter than those idiots!!!!!
23:56 < nf> ;)
23:57 < uriel> ptrb: and in the same breath saying that not returning *both*
a boolean and an int8 is stupid!
23:57 < uriel> nf: I'm probably as stupid as joan, but I do try to have some
self-awareness ;)
23:58 < nf> it just seems a waste of everyone's time to continue to reply to
him.  at the very least, he is unappreciative of the attention given to him.  that
should be enough
23:58 < nf> uriel: ;)
23:58 < sladegen> isn't joan a female name btw...
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23:58 < nf> sladegen: not in some languages
23:58 * sladegen finds it disturbing.
23:58 < uriel> but lack of a sense of proportion seems quite widespread, so
one can't blame him too much for demanding an interface twice as complicated while
complaining about int vs int8
23:58 < ptrb> yes but if you dig into his github you see it is short (?) for
Jonas something or other
23:58 < sladegen> yeah, but last name sound anglo-saxon.
23:59 < uriel> yea, but his language doesn't sound very anglo-saxon
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23:59 < sladegen> all the more disturbing.
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