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01:13 < jpic> hi, i'm trying to handle http requests differently depending
on req.Host, how do you suggest to do that?  should i copy http/server.go and
rewrite parts of ServeHTTP or is there a better way to go?
01:14 < jpic> ideally i'd map handlers to Request fixtures but that would
break bc ..
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03:46 < jesusaurus> hey, im back, and i still can't get the compiler to
recognize complex variables
03:46 < jesusaurus> where should they be loaded from?  where in the main
package?
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07:46 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bL2VK by [Andrew Gerrand] in
go/src/pkg/template/ -- template: remove reference to json-template
07:46 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bL2VO by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/gc/ -- gc:
better windows detection
07:46 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bL2VV by [Andrew Gerrand] in go/doc/ --
go_tutorial: removed outdated use of semicolons
07:46 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bL2Wa by [Robert Griesemer] in go/doc/ -- go
spec: fix wrong comment
07:46 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bL2Wn by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/net/ -- net:
fix bug in internetSocket introduced by error cleanup.
07:46 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bL2WK by [Russ Cox] in
go/src/pkg/exp/iterable/ -- iterable: expose iterFunc as iterable.Func
07:46 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bL2WW by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/net/ -- net:
drop non-RHEL-4.6 ports from test
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07:46 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bL2X2 by [Robert Griesemer] in go/src/pkg/big/
-- big: implemented Karatsuba multiplication
07:46 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bL2Xx by [Andrew Gerrand] in
go/doc/codelab/wiki/ -- Wiki codelab, complete with tests.
07:46 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bL2Y9 by [Andrew Gerrand] in
go/doc/codelab/wiki/ -- wiki codelab: typo fix
07:46 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bL2Yo by [Andrew Gerrand] in 2 subdirs of go/
-- release.2010-04-27
07:46 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bL2YB by [Andrew Gerrand] in go/ --
release.2010-04-27 tags
07:46 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bL2YL by [Russ Cox] in 5 subdirs of go/src/ --
5l, 6l, 8l, runtime: make -s binaries work
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09:06 < Surma> Hey guys.  On a rather fresh debian the compilation of go
fails while testing the os package with the message; "os_test.TestReaddirnames
could not find hosts" what am I missing?
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09:15 < Surma> just figured it out, for some reason debian doesn't provide a
default /etc/hosts
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09:45 < uriel> Surma: that is weird...
09:46 < uriel> Surma: still, i guess you should fill a bug then, the tests I
had seen so far used /etc/passwd which should be pretty much everywhere
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10:41 < jpic> hi, is there a way to monkey patch in go?
10:42 < nf> jpic: you can embed a type, and shadow some of the embedded
type's methods, but you can't modify packages from another package
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10:45 < uriel> you can add new methods to any type, but only for 'local'
types, but you can do type mytype ExternalPackageType (or such)
10:46 < jpic> so its impossible to redefine http.ServeHTTP?
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10:50 < manveru> jpic: yeah
10:50 < manveru> but you can use your own instead
10:51 < jpic> i guess so, i'd only have to copy 4 functions
10:51 < uriel> in Go you basically have the power of monkey patching without
the mess
10:51 < manveru> jpic: no, you can embed
10:52 < uriel> manveru: you don't need to embed to define new methods on an
existing type
10:52 < manveru> oh?
10:53 < uriel> (but yea, embeding also works, but it different)
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10:53 < manveru> i always used embedding so far, reminds me of subclassing
10:53 < jpic> ahhh absolutely, thanks uriel, i didn't notice it was a method
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10:54 < manveru> hmm, sometimes i wish float and int were interface types
for float64/32 and int64/32...
10:55 < uriel> not sure what you mean
10:55 < manveru> i guess i'm not used to worrying about the size of my
numbers
10:56 < manveru> in ruby you simply don't care, if something is a integer or
a bignum, it will behave the same
10:56 < uriel> then use int and don't worry about it
10:57 < manveru> not easy :)
10:57 < manveru> most math functions take float64, the sdl lib takes stuff
like uint16 int32 uint32 int16...
10:58 < manveru> so i always convert forth and back
10:58 < uriel> well, if you have to deal with C libs, then you have to worry
about it, but that is not Go's fault
10:58 < manveru> yeah, i realize that
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10:59 < manveru> just wish it could be automated :|
10:59 < manveru> but that would be fragile again...
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10:59 < uriel> best to stick to pure Go code ;P
10:59 < manveru> anw, what do you think about the idea of adding methods on
interfaces?
11:00 < uriel> ?
11:00 < manveru> like if structs S0 and S1 satisfy interface I, then you do
something like func (i I) Duh() {} and have it on S0 and S1
11:01 < manveru> right now you have to use functions for that instead of
methods, right?
11:03 < manveru> and yeah, i'm trying to stay away from C...  right now i'm
translating the chipmunk physics engine to Go
11:07 < manveru> at least with go that's an option...  with ruby you just
wouldn't get comparable performance even if it's easier to write :)
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11:10 < jpic> i don't understand why go doesn't compile because
"serve.go:34: Configuration is not http.Handler missing ServeHTTP(*http.Conn,
*http.Request)" when it does (http://dpaste.com/188545/)
11:11 < manveru> jpic: configuration is not defined in there...
11:12 < jpic> it's defined in another file
11:12 < jpic> my bad, i added it: http://dpaste.com/188547/
11:13 < manveru> well, you should use *Configuration
11:13 < manveru> http.Handle("/", &configuration) or something
11:14 < jpic> indeed, thanks manveru
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11:43 < jpic> i'm a little confused by this runtime error: "invalid memory
address or nil pointer dereference", i don't understand what i'm doing wrong
exactly (source, exception details: http://gist.github.com/382031)
11:45 < jpic> nevermind, my bad
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12:18 < uriel>
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/bx7sa/writing_web_applications_with_go/
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13:44 < manveru> has anyone a set struct around?
13:45 < manveru> i.e.  like a vector of unique values
13:45 < manveru> doesn't have to be ordered
13:46 < manveru> have been thinking of implementing it myself simply with a
map that contains structs that have a Hash/Rehash function, not sure about the
overhead though
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14:04 < manveru> iant: mind if i ask you a question about the language
design?
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14:05 < manveru> if structs S0 and S1 satisfy interface I, then it would be
nice if you could define func (i I) Foo() {} and call it as S0.Foo() and S1.Foo()
14:05 < manveru> i'm not sure if there is a reason not to do it, i'll
propose it on the mailing list if that's a better way
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14:11 < jessta> manveru: interfaces shouldn't have behaviour
14:11 < jessta> if you added that to Go then you'd have inheritance
14:12 < manveru> i don't see what's so bad about that?
14:13 < manveru> if you have a rectangle and square that both have X,Y,W,H
functions, it would make sense to write a BoundingBox function in the interface...
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14:13 < manveru> oh well, there goes that attempt :)
14:15 < manveru> i'll try to put some more thought into it and write to the
ML
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14:19 < oblique-> hello..is there a way to write assembly in go?
14:19 < manveru> oblique-: no
14:19 < manveru> you can make a cgo binding to some c that embeds assembly
14:20 < oblique-> ok thank you
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14:20 < manveru> oblique-:
http://groups.google.com/group/golang-nuts/browse_thread/thread/769c0e4fd49a4435
14:21 < oblique-> thx :) i will read it
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14:22 < fwiffo> no need for cgo, you can use 6a,8a directly
14:23 < jpic> how to use the first value of a multivalue return in a single
value context?  ie.  define a precompiled regexp
14:24 < manveru> fwiffo: is there any documentation about 6a?
14:24 < manveru> i still have only a faint idea of what it's actually doing
and how to use it
14:24 < manveru> so i leave the details to other tools...
14:25 < jessta> jpic: you don't
14:25 < fwiffo> manveru: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/asm.html
14:25 < manveru> jpic: (a, _ := b(); a)
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14:25 < jessta> oh?  you can do that?
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14:26 < manveru> it's an expression, right?
14:27 < jpic> thanks manveru
14:28 < manveru> jpic: if you want to precompile regexps, use MustCompile
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14:44 < jpic> nice, thanks manveru
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15:11 < chressie> manveru: unfortunately (a, _ := b(); a) is not an
expression (http://golang.org/doc/go_spec.html#Expression)
15:16 < chressie> at least it does not compile in your single vs.  multi
value context, do you have any compiling examples?
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15:31 < manveru> chressie: you're right...  weird
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15:34 < manveru> chressie: i assumed that () could contain anything...
guess i was wrong :|
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15:36 < jessta> manveru: it's a bad move anyway, involves ignoring error
checks
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15:41 < manveru> jessta: error checks?
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15:42 < jessta> well, most of the time
15:43 < jessta> multi-return is mostly used for returning errors, I guess
there are cases where this isn't so
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15:50 < manveru> heh
15:50 < b0gg1e> Does anyone know is LockOSThread is actually working?
15:50 < manveru> yeah...  i haven't used that pattern of returning errors
myself, i rely on panics
15:54 < uriel_> b0gg1e: you really should not be using htat
15:54 < uriel_> er that
15:54 < b0gg1e> i have no choice...
15:55 < b0gg1e> situation: im writing bindings for zeromq a highspeed
message queueing lib written in C
15:55 < b0gg1e> some of zeromq's data structure may only be used by the
thread that created them so I desparately need goroutines that are bound to a
fixed thread
15:56 < b0gg1e> even without that i wonder how one is supposed to catch
errno if goroutines can move between threads?  i thought that errno is per thread.
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15:58 < uriel> I have no clue, but if the lib you are linking against uses
pthreads or whatever, it really sounds like it is going to be ugly
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15:58 < uriel> why don't you do all the concurrent stuff in Go?
16:00 < b0gg1e> because i want to interface with zeromq, and it does lots of
things already, like proper multicasting, clever load balancing, buffering of
messages, and is perhaps the fastest com thingy around...
16:00 < jessta> manveru: panic is for unrecoverable/unexpectable/exceptional
things
16:01 < jessta> manveru: please don't use it for normal expected errors
16:01 < b0gg1e> jessta is there something like panic that will only kill the
executing goroutine?
16:01 < b0gg1e> what is one supposed to do with normal errors?  return them
like in the io lib?  - that sucks!
16:01 < uriel> you can recover the panic on a gorouine
16:02 < b0gg1e> ah ok so one could write a wrapper
16:02 < jessta> b0gg1e: yes
16:03 < b0gg1e> uriel any advice on how to debug cgo pthreads stuff?  im a
bit lost with my pet projects...  binding works for some setups, for other's it
deadlocks
16:03 < b0gg1e> or stalls
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16:06 < uriel> pthreads are a nightmare, they are best avoided at all costs
16:06 < uriel> IMHO one of the main points for using Go is to avoid pthreads
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16:11 < b0gg1e> zmq is mostly using its own lockfree algos
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16:13 < fwiffo> cgo doesn't work well with code that deal with
threads/signals, i wouldn't waste my time unless i'd want to fix the problem.
16:14 < b0gg1e> hmm is there an alternative to cgo?
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16:14 < uriel> yes, writting in Go
16:15 < b0gg1e> to connect to c...
16:15 < taruti> b0gg1e: just use the wire protocol
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16:17 < b0gg1e> "the" wire protocol?  you mean going over network?  that
appears to be too slow.
16:18 < taruti> b0gg1e: zeromq is probably talking over the wire with other
nodes?
16:18 < taruti> b0gg1e: so just have a plain-go node
16:19 < b0gg1e> sure that is possible *but* zeromq implements going over the
wire 10x smarter than I will be able to
16:19 < b0gg1e> zmq is about performance check the page zeromq.org
16:19 < b0gg1e> thats why i want to use it directly from go
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16:20 < b0gg1e> though admittedly implementing the zeromq protocol in go
probably would be fun
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16:23 < b0gg1e> yes sure for user level code..  but go itself is using os
threads, zmq is more on that level and it makes sense to write threads code for
frameworks to give max performance to actual apps written with something more
manageable (actors, goroutines, workflows, lazily evaluated dataflow graphs
whatever)
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16:30 * uriel doesn't see the point of mixing concurrency models, seems like
asking for trouble for no reason
16:31 < uriel> if you use Go, you are going to be using goroutines anyway, I
see zero advantage of using pthreads
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16:39 < b0gg1e> the point is that there is an excellent free open source
implementation of message qeueing based on very very hard to correctly implemt
lockfree qeue data structures which I cannot easily duplicate.  it is there, i
want to use it, i cannot, go fails.
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16:44 < b0gg1e> its more a resources issue, really.  sure it would be nice
to implement something like zmq in go but..  though im not even sure the same
degree of performance is possible due to the frequent thread switches a go routine
might experience.  in any case it is not so nice to not to be able to just use
what is there.
16:45 < sladegen> and because you can't use java libraries in python the
latter fails, too...
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16:46 < b0gg1e> i can
16:46 < b0gg1e> JNI to the rescue
16:46 < taruti> JNI is an abnomination
16:47 < b0gg1e> also go is positioned as systems language, therefore I just
expect to be able to call any C code I like.  Im willing to do things like telling
the GC when to hold on to stuff and when to drop it and follow some regime for
doing so.
16:47 < uriel> b0gg1e: you can call C code
16:47 < b0gg1e> taruti: that works well in practic.  it is there, it is
documented, i can use it.
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16:48 < b0gg1e> yes unless it is multithreaded...  like their are no
relevant multithreaded libraries out there...
16:48 < kimelto> morning!
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16:49 < uriel> b0gg1e: you seem to have found the first, I can't think of
any other
16:49 < taruti> you can use multithreaded C things.  But getting two
multithreading systems to talk to eachother is always painfull.
16:49 < uriel> (I'm sure there are, but I'm also sure that they are not
something I would want to use)
16:50 < b0gg1e> that is true, im just a bit pissed after to hit a wall after
roughly two days of hacking ;-) go will evolve and maybe this actually will work
some day
16:50 < b0gg1e> its also so damn hard to debug things like that right now
16:50 < taruti> b0gg1e: if you note that the other language bindings to
zeromq don't usually get it right either...
16:51 < b0gg1e> so does LockOSThread work or not, actually?
16:51 < b0gg1e> dont know C++ and Java seem to get the Job done.  although I
only use the C binding usually.
16:52 < b0gg1e> zmq model is differrent, agreed, but the perf is worth going
for it.
16:52 < uriel> does Java link against the pthreaded lib?
16:52 < b0gg1e> think so
16:54 < oblique-> unsafe.Pointer is a numerical pointer (like in C) ??
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16:55 < b0gg1e> yes but when you want to do ptr arithmetic cast it to
uintptr
16:55 < taruti> the java stuff doesn't seem to have any java-side threading
but it has got lots of C++...
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16:57 < taruti> b0gg1e: could you point us to a high level language binding
to zeromq that does the threading right?
16:57 < taruti> b0gg1e: then it would be much easier to understand the
issue.
16:57 < oblique-> b0gg1e: thx
16:58 < b0gg1e> tha java bindings appear to just give you access to the C
api.  and the C api's main restriction is that socket objects may only be used by
the pthread that created them
16:59 < taruti> so how does the Java API enforce that?
16:59 < b0gg1e> so in java: run your own thread, use api
16:59 < b0gg1e> not at all, programmer does
16:59 < b0gg1e> so you couldnt use that api with scala actors or killim or
somesuch, for that matter
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17:00 < b0gg1e> i dont know the other hl bindings so i cant point to one
that does it right.
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17:01 < taruti> b0gg1e: some Java implementations have green threads.
17:01 < b0gg1e> then it will break
17:01 < b0gg1e> likely
17:01 < b0gg1e> unless you only use os thread per vm.
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17:02 < taruti> you could use GOMAXPROCS=1 in Go ;)
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17:03 < b0gg1e> no...  because go will exit if goroutines are blocking all
threads.  calling c stuff apparantly counts as blocking.  so zmq_recv would kill
the app...
17:03 * b0gg1e put the code on github btw http://github.com/boggle/gozero
17:05 < b0gg1e> some zmq sockets work some not, i can do inprocess com with
go perfectly, tcp only one connection, unix sockets do not work at all kinda lost
on how to proceed if at all
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17:16 < b0gg1e> thanks for trying to help, i call it a day, cu
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17:34 < taruti> What state is tls now after the recent commmits?
17:34 * taruti would like to have a https server
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18:22 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bLUP0 by [Ian Lance Taylor] in go/src/pkg/os/
-- Remove destination of symlink test in case it got left behind
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18:38 < kmeyer> taruti: supposedly working
18:39 < taruti> kmeyer: any idea of example code somewhere?
18:39 < kmeyer> no
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18:42 < JoelMcCracken> so, "noos" still isn't complete, correct, and that
would be the target if one were to want to write an OS in go?
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19:22 < Ginto8> does anyone here know what the &^ operator does?
19:23 < taruti> bitwise negated and?
19:24 < sladegen> &^ bit clear (and not) integers
19:25 < sladegen> found in http://golang.org/doc/go_spec.html
19:25 < Ginto8> hmmm
19:25 < Ginto8> I looked there and couldn't find that info o.0
19:25 < sladegen> Ctrl+F
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19:46 < xspager> Hello everyone!
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19:47 < xspager> is anyone working in the http client proxy?
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20:09 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bM20o by [Christopher Wedgwood] in
go/src/pkg/fmt/ -- fmt: %T print <nil> for nil
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20:26 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bM2Zy by [Rob Pike] in go/doc/ -- spec:
clarify "continue" with label.  the text was obvious in intent but
20:26 < Tonnerre> Oh, Rob
20:27 < xspager> Someone?  I had an error trying to build Go, the error was
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20:35 < dho_plan9> set the HTTP_PROXY env var, I believe.
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20:56 < newsham> noob question: whats the normal way of converting a string
into a sequence of bytes in utf8 format?
20:58 < newsham> I see utf8 library but it seems to only have small
primitives..  I was wondering if there is something higher level
20:58 < taruti> []byte(mystring)
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20:59 < Eridius> newsham: a string is already a sequence of utf8 bytes.
21:00 < Eridius> newsham: if you index into a string, that does a byte-index
and gives you back a utf8 byte
21:00 <+iant> or []int(mystring) if you want to separate it into Unicode
character points
21:00 < newsham> so len() on string gives back byte count and not rune
count?
21:00 < Eridius> newsham: correct
21:00 < newsham> ty
21:00 < Eridius> you have to convert it to int or use the unicode package if
you want to operate on runes
21:00 < Eridius> *convert to []int
21:05 < newsham> such quick completion of "6g" is unsettling when you expect
it to print an error message
21:05 < newsham> :)
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21:06 < nvictor> hello go channel
21:06 < nvictor> who writes the tutorials?
21:08 <+iant> The tutorial http://golang.org/doc/go_tutorial.html was mostly
written by Rob Pike, with comments from several people
21:08 <+iant> is that the one you meant?
21:08 < nvictor> iant: no this one :) http://golang.org/doc/codelab/wiki/
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21:09 <+iant> nvictor: that one was by Andrew Gerrand
21:10 < nvictor> hmm
21:10 < nvictor> :)
21:10 <+iant> he is nf on this channel
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21:11 < nvictor> thanks iant
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