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00:15 < kmeyer> uriel: ping
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02:18 < manveru> taruti: type x module.MyLongTypeName; []*x{v}
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02:49 < uriel> kmeyer: pong?
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02:52 < kmeyer> uriel: might be worth mentioning that Tonnerre's RPM
actually sets up yum to look at his repository, which then provides the actual go
package (among others)
02:53 < kmeyer> has the benefit of automatic updates, but potential
detractor of masking fedora packages with his if they have the same name
02:53 < kmeyer> I haven't looked too much (*shrug*
02:53 < kmeyer> )
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03:04 < uriel> sorry, I know nothing about how fedora works =)
03:04 < uriel> but will update and try to clarify that
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04:06 < kmeyer> cool :)
04:07 < kmeyer> maybe he can write a page explaining what to do (it amounts
to: install his rpm, then 'yum install go' or something like that)
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05:10 < manveru> could someone help me interpret some C so i can write it in
Go?
05:11 < manveru> cpHashSetBin **prev_ptr = &set->table[idx]; // Pointer
to the previous bin pointer.
05:11 < manveru> cpHashSetBin *bin = set->table[idx]; // Pointer the the
current bin.
05:11 < manveru> i don't get what that does...
05:12 <+iant> the first line gets a pointer to an entry in an array
05:12 <+iant> the second line just gets the entry in the array
05:12 <+iant> the array is holding pointers itself
05:12 <+iant> so the first line is getting a pointer to a pointer
05:12 < manveru> oh...  ok
05:13 < manveru> but how do you get two different things out of the same
table[idx] ?
05:13 < dignan> manveru: the &
05:13 <+iant> one is the address of that entry in the table
05:13 <+iant> the other is the value
05:13 < manveru> ah!
05:13 < manveru> thanks :)
05:14 < manveru> sorry, i'm a C newbie...
05:16 < manveru> iant: did you read my message the other day?
05:16 <+iant> probably but I don't remember it
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05:16 <+iant> what was it about?
05:16 < manveru> if structs S0 and S1 satisfy interface I, then it would be
nice if you could define func (i I) Foo() {} and call it as S0.Foo() and S1.Foo()
05:16 < manveru> given that Foo only relies on methods of I
05:17 <+iant> You want to define a method on an interface?
05:17 < manveru> yeah
05:18 <+iant> Someone else had a similar idea a while back
05:18 < manveru> i'm not sure what you guys think of it...  it seemed so
obvious
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05:19 <+iant> I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't work
05:19 <+iant> Do you have a compelling use case?
05:19 <+iant> I don't know what people think of it either
05:20 < manveru> yeah, i'm drawing some shapes of different kinds, but their
Draw function is identical
05:21 < manveru> so right now i use Draw(Shape), Shape being an interface
that has X,Y,W,H functions
05:21 <+iant> you can write func Foo(i i) {}
05:21 <+iant> yeah
05:21 < manveru> but it seems kinda awkward
05:22 < manveru> i come from ruby, so i'm used to defining methods in the
most specific places possible
05:22 <+iant> I can't remember whether this was on the mailing list
05:22 <+iant> in the past
05:22 < manveru> and given that Go doesn't do polymorphism like Dylan, this
seemed like the way to go
05:24 < JBeshir> It feels like it kinda detracts from the purity of
interfaces as...  well, interfaces, if you can define types on them
05:24 < JBeshir> Er, methods on them
05:24 <+iant> I suppose the method would just become part of the interface
05:24 < manveru>
http://groups.google.com/group/golang-nuts/browse_thread/thread/4d8f48524a513a1f
maybe?
05:24 <+iant> it's sort of like defining a default implementation for the
method
05:25 < manveru> exactly
05:25 < manveru> dunno, maybe implementations of the interface can
overshadow the default?
05:25 < JBeshir> "feels like" implementation inheritance.
05:26 <+iant> yes, I think that would happen automatically
05:26 <+iant> yeah
05:27 < manveru> oh...  and is there actually an overhead if i access
somestruct.x via somestruct.X() ?
05:27 < manveru> gotta bench that
05:27 <+iant> the latter is a function call, the former is not
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05:28 < manveru> yeah, but it's just func (s *S) X() int { return s.x }
05:28 < manveru> so it could be inlined
05:28 <+iant> 6g/8g don't do inlining yet
05:28 <+iant> gccgo does
05:28 < manveru> oh, ok
05:29 < manveru> is that on the roadmap?
05:29 < manveru> http://golang.org/doc/devel/roadmap.html doesn't mention it
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05:30 <+iant> inlining small functions is on the roadmap for 6g/8g
05:30 <+iant> I mean, it is being considered, it's not in the roadmap doc
yet
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05:30 < manveru> ok
05:31 < manveru> no problem, it's not exactly a bottleneck :)
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06:23 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bO6aN by [Joe Poirier] in go/src/pkg/syscall/
-- syscall: mingw Sleep
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06:36 < manveru> if i say 'type X Y', and *Y has method Foo, why doesn't *X
have method Foo?
06:40 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bO74h by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/syscall/ --
syscall: force O_LARGEFILE in Linux open system call
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06:48 < bcgraham> i'm trying to install the Go-SDL package.  i have SDL
installed; i have SDL_image, SDL_tff, and SDL_mixer all installed as frameworks on
mac osx (snow leopard).  i can't get the package to compile.  any guesses?
06:48 < cbeck> manveru: you can get that by doing type X struct {Y}
06:49 < manveru> cbeck: yeah, but then i have to initialize with X{Y{}}
instead of X{}
06:50 < manveru> oh well...
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06:55 < cbeck> manveru: Actually, I don't think you do
06:56 < cbeck> If Y has fields they'll be initialized to zero values, but
everything compiles and runs just fine in the little test I threw together
06:56 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bO7Sl by [Alex Brainman] in 13 subdirs of
go/src/ -- rename GOOS=mingw to GOOS=windows
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06:57 < manveru> cbeck: yeah, it's not a big issue really
06:58 < manveru> just something i found weird since X and Y are equal
06:58 < manveru> but it seems methods are attached to the name, not the type
06:58 < cbeck> But they are different types
06:58 < cbeck> For instance if I say type foo int
06:59 < cbeck> I can't pass a foo to a func that expects an int
06:59 < manveru> yeah, why is that?
06:59 < cbeck> which is at the heart of what you're talking about
06:59 < manveru> i mean, i can get int(somefoo) again
06:59 < cbeck> Because it's not just an alias, it's a type
06:59 < manveru> so why doesn't go do that for me if the types are
compatible?
07:00 < cbeck> because one of go's philosophies is that all casts should be
explicit
07:00 < manveru> hmh
07:01 < JBeshir> Because if two types are the same thing, portably and in
all contexts
07:01 < JBeshir> They should be the same time.
07:01 < JBeshir> And if they are not, then for some platform, that code is
casting between two different things.
07:01 < JBeshir> And there's all kinds of range limits and semantics of
named types and such involved there.
07:01 < JBeshir> And such should be explicit.
07:02 < manveru> i have 'type Float float64' in my code
07:02 < JBeshir> Why?
07:02 < manveru> http://gist.github.com/384868
07:03 < JBeshir> Why would you do such a thing
07:03 < manveru> it feels better
07:03 < napsy> you had too much java
07:04 < manveru> hehe
07:04 < manveru> i'm kinda allergic to toplevel functions
07:04 < manveru> even if i know that they're packaged properly
07:04 < JBeshir> And now, I think, you've learned that that weirdness
produces absolutely hideous code in Go?
07:05 < manveru> yeah
07:05 < manveru> guess i'll only convert to Float for the Clamp method
07:06 < napsy> why?
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07:07 < manveru> so i don't mix it up with the Clamp method of Vector
07:07 < JBeshir> It's in a different package.
07:07 < manveru> or is there some way i can extend the math package?
07:08 < JBeshir> Can't happen.
07:08 < JBeshir> It's in whatever package you put your code in.
07:08 < manveru> oh, not container/vector
07:09 < manveru> http://gist.github.com/384873
07:10 < napsy> your code is strange
07:10 < napsy> why does every vector method require pointers?
07:10 < manveru> i'm not sure
07:11 < manveru> it works...  so i do it that way
07:11 < manveru> haven't used pointers before go, people say it's faster
because it doesn't copy structs or something
07:12 < manveru> suggestions welcome :)
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07:18 < manveru> oh, ok
07:18 < manveru> The rule about pointers vs.  values for receivers is that
value methods can be invoked on pointers and values, but pointer methods can only
be invoked on pointers.  This is because pointer methods can modify the receiver;
invoking them on a copy of the value would cause those modifications to be
discarded.
07:18 < manveru> so i should only use pointer receiver if i really need it
07:18 < kmeyer> yep.
07:19 < KirkMcDonald> Well.
07:19 < KirkMcDonald> You almost always use pointer receivers.
07:19 < kmeyer> nf: the rpm's been updated to patch out the requirement for
the env variables
07:19 < kmeyer> with minimal testing, it "works"
07:19 < manveru> KirkMcDonald: yeah
07:19 < kmeyer> things like Makefiles using $(GOROOT) and stuff don't work
07:19 < manveru> i hit strange behaviour some time when i started with go,
my structs wouldn't be modified
07:20 < manveru> so i switched to using pointers mostly
07:20 < manveru> time for some balance :)
07:21 < manveru> anw, cu later guys, i gotta do some more coding before this
is done
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08:58 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bOeNf by [Nigel Tao] in go/src/pkg/syscall/ --
Add EWOULDBLOCK to sycall_nacl.go.
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12:07 < taruti> What is the preferred way of declaring an empty type that is
guaranteeded an "in-line" interface value?
12:08 < taruti> is "type Foo int" enough?  (i.e.  to make foo in
MyInterface(fooValue) to be inlined)
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13:16 < mkalex> hello.  I got a question about the 8l linker
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13:18 < mkalex> is there anyone who can help me ?
13:21 < jessta> mkalex: yep
13:22 < jessta> what's the question?
13:23 < mkalex> is there any way to tell the linker that I want to run the
code starting from a specific address ?
13:23 < mkalex> like the -Ttext option of ld
13:29 < mkalex> jessta: oh, and is there any way I could add inline assembly
to my code ?
13:29 < jessta> mkalex: no inline assembly, put it in a seperate file
13:31 < mkalex> jessta: with that beeing clarified, how about the other
"problem", is it possible ? :-)
13:31 < jessta> I don't know
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13:43 < Sbioko> Hello!
13:43 < Sbioko> Can I run Go on Web?
13:43 < Sbioko> (Apache)
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13:44 < Sbioko> ?
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13:47 < taruti> Sbioko: yes
13:48 < Sbioko> taruti: how?
13:48 < taruti> Sbioko: see web.go for example
13:48 < Sbioko> thx
13:48 < Sbioko> is it cross-platform?
13:48 < Sbioko> can it build gui?
13:49 < taruti> you might want to read up on things
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16:33 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bOIYB by [Robert Griesemer] in go/src/pkg/big/
-- big: implemented core shift routines in arith.go and
16:36 < taruti> hacked a fix to json to ignore transient fields :)
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17:18 < kimelto> morning!
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17:47 < bcgraham> i'm trying to use goinstall to import Go-SDL.  i enter the
following command: "$ goinstall github.com/banthar/Go-SDL.git " (without $ or
quotes) and goinstall returns "goinstall: github.com/banthar/Go-SDL.git:
repository github.com/banthar/Go-SDL.git should not have .git suffix" . however,
when i remove the .git suffix, it returns " goinstall: github.com/banthar/Go-SDL:
git: no such file or directory"
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18:02 < kmeyer> is there any way to install a go package in a directory
outside of the hg tree (alternatively, to tell the linker to look in another
directory)?
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18:09 < manveru> bcgraham: cd to the directory
18:09 < manveru> bcgraham: here it's at
/usr/lib/go/src/pkg/github.com/banthar/Go-SDL
18:10 < manveru> and run make in there
18:10 < manveru> goinstall is kinda messed up, dunno
18:10 < bcgraham> the /usr/lib/go/ is $GOROOT ?
18:11 < manveru> yeah
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18:11 < manveru> seems like the Go-SDL Makefile doesn't have a install rule
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18:12 < manveru> goinstall tries `make install`, that fails
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18:14 < bcgraham> thank you for your help, i appreciate it
18:15 < manveru> no problem, i had the same issues :)
18:15 < manveru> maybe you can let the author of Go-SDL know
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18:15 < manveru> bcgraham: http://gist.github.com/379723
18:16 < manveru> i wrote that recently...  my first realtime game and go
program :)
18:16 < manveru> might help you learn the library
18:16 < ptrb> uhh, is archos really joan miller?
18:16 < bcgraham> i hope it will, i appreciate the link!
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18:18 < kmeyer> ptrb: maybe!
18:19 < manveru> bcgraham: what platform are you on?
18:19 < bcgraham> mac os x
18:19 < bcgraham> snow leopard
18:19 < manveru> ah, ok
18:19 < manveru> then nevermind :)
18:19 < ptrb> he/she/it has the same problems with english, the same --way
of emphasizing-- parts of sentences, and the same problem with misunderstanding
how a package works, being patiently explained to, and continuing to misunderstand
18:19 < bcgraham> i'm about to throw my hands up and just carve out some
room for an ubuntu partition because this is getting frustrating
18:20 < ptrb> bcgraham: mac os is a first-class platform for Go...  afaik
all the core developers use it personally
18:21 < manveru> i thought they're all on plan9 :)
18:21 < ptrb> ha, right
18:21 < manveru> huh...
18:22 < manveru> C is a very, very, strange language
18:22 < sladegen> they are probably on plan10 if not even plan11...
18:23 < manveru> can someone tell me what exactly the f != i accomplishes:
http://pastie.org/940658
18:24 < manveru> how can a float be identical to an integer?
18:26 < manveru> oh well, i'll just use the math package instead
18:27 < manveru> premature evil and all that...
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18:28 < sladegen> it's the x.0 = x case, /me guesses...
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19:07 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bOTx4 by [Robert Griesemer] in go/src/pkg/big/
-- big: assembly routines for 386 long shifts
19:07 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bOTxb by [Robert Griesemer] in go/src/pkg/big/
-- big: improved computation of "karatsuba length" for faster multiplies
19:07 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bOTxK by [Robert Griesemer] in go/src/pkg/big/
-- fix build
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19:38 < WalterMundt> I'm having some trouble with cgo.  I had this working,
and an update (not sure which) seems to have broken it.
19:38 < WalterMundt> I was binding libidn's stringprep routines, and the
header declares this: extern const Stringprep_profile stringprep_nameprep[];
19:39 < WalterMundt> cgo generates #pragma dynimport ยท_C_stringprep_nameprep
stringprep_nameprep "/home/toranin/build/go/pkg/linux_386/idn/stringprep.so" in
cgo_defun.c and var _C_stringprep_nameprep *[0]byte in _cgo_gotypes.go
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19:39 < WalterMundt> but if if you take &C.stringprep_nameprep in code, it
is <nil>
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19:40 < WalterMundt> any attempt to access the variable without an & results
in a panic, of course
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20:09 < zcram> hai
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20:19 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bOXOF by [Alex Brainman] in
go/src/pkg/syscall/ -- syscall: handle EOF on pipe - special case on Windows
20:19 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bOXOJ by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/ld/ -- 8l:
fix absolute path detection on Windows
20:19 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bOXOY by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/ -- gc:
bug270
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20:35 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bOYOj by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/ -- gc:
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23:06 < napsy_> Hello.  How do I itrtate through a list?
23:06 < napsy_> iterate*
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23:24 < nf> napsy_: for i, v := range myList { }
23:24 < nf> and I interpreted 'list' as 'slice'
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