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01:00 < wobsite> Hey - I'm having some trouble with xgb; I'm getting a
BadWindow protocol error with this program: http://pastebin.com/uByjHzb5
01:01 < wobsite> I'm thinking my problem mostly has to do with my
understanding of X.
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01:08 < wobsite> anyone have any ideas?
01:11 < exch> you need to add a c.CreateWindow() call
01:12 < wobsite> ah!  thought that was in there.  I'm blind apparently
01:13 < wobsite> thanks.  I really should have seen that...
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02:23 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bRDEr by [Andrew Gerrand] in
go/doc/codelab/wiki/ -- codelab/wiki: switch edit/view, as they were backwards
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04:31 < wobsite> Hey everyone, having a bit of trouble figuring out
interfaces; can't figure out what's wrong with this: http://pastebin.com/uRh7bzHq
04:31 < wobsite> any ideas?
04:33 < manveru> wobsite: that doesn't actually compile, does it?
04:35 < wobsite> no
04:36 < manveru> wobsite: so use func TenThings(t Thinger)
04:36 < manveru> pointers can satisfy an interface too
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04:37 < manveru> wobsite: http://pastr.it/16760
04:38 < manveru> if you cange the Thing method to accept both int and *int,
you can pass both &t and t
04:38 < nf> wobsite: as manveru points out, TenThings should expect a
Thinger, not a *Thinger.  it's *c that is a Thinger, not c
04:40 < wobsite> ok, thanks
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06:40 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bRPEs by [Charles L. Dorian] in
go/src/pkg/math/ -- math: fix typo in Cbrt description
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07:12 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bRRQv by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/8l/ -- fix
nacl build
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08:29 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bRVXY by [Giles Lean] in 4 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/runtime/ -- runtime: update godefs usage comment for GOARCH=386
GOOS={darwin,freebsd}
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08:45 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bRWQS by [Andrew Gerrand] in
go/misc/dashboard/godashboard/ -- dashboard: fix benchmark json output
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14:49 < tazjin> *sighs* I'm too dumb for Go :/
14:51 < taruti> Are the CLAs supposed to work?  When trying to submit code
it complains that I am not in contributors.  I did a CLA but didn't hear anything
about it.  And on the ML people just tell to submit code...
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14:54 < nf> you create a changeset with 'hg change <files>'
14:54 < nf> then issue 'hg mail <change#>' to mail it to golang-dev
14:55 < nf> then one of the devs will submit it for you when it's approved
14:55 < nf> (only people with commit access to code.google.com/p/go/ can
submit CLs)
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14:56 < taruti> meh.  have to get an external machine for that.  none of the
internal ones allow outgoing mail.
14:56 < taruti> but dooable.
14:56 < taruti> I'll do that :)
14:57 < nf> i'm not sure if the mail is sent from your machine, or from
codereview.appspot.com
14:57 < nf> probably the former
14:58 < nf> hint: if you create a change on one checkout, you can patch it
in to the current one with 'hg clpatch <change#>'
14:58 < taruti> thanks
15:01 < nf> np
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17:32 < BrowserUk> jessta: Are you around?
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17:59 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bSwio by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/bytes/ --
bytes: Change IndexAny to look for UTF-8 encoded characters.
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18:16 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bSxyn by [Ian Lance Taylor] in go/src/ -- Add
_cgo_export.[ch] targets so that make knows how they are
18:16 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bSxyq by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/syscall/ --
syscall: fix arm build (fix bugs in generator, to add O_LARGEFILE)
18:16 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bSxyR by [Russ Cox] in go/src/ -- nacl:
another attempt at fixing build
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18:57 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bSAsv by [Evan Shaw] in go/src/pkg/big/ --
big: Add bitwise methods for Int
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19:25 < wobsite> Hi everyone, I'm having trouble getting the json package to
call the UnmarshalJSON methods of my types.  here's a simple program that shows
the problem: http://pastebin.com/UNhL4uZZ
19:25 < wobsite> ok in main is true, so I think that means I'm implementing
the interface correctly, but the print statement in my routine never seems to get
executed.
19:26 < wobsite> I'm at a bit of a loss, does anyone have any thoughts?
19:27 < manveru> wobsite: you pass a copy, not a pointer, so the method
isn't available
19:27 < manveru> func (j Jtest) UnmarshalJSON (b []uint8) os.Error { }
19:27 < manveru> should work
19:28 < manveru> i'm not familiar with the json package, just my first
thoughts :)
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19:34 < wobsite> manveru: it seems to do the same thing regardless.  prints
true, then zero.  Also shouldn't j be a pointer?  it's generated by new.
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20:05 < fenicks> hello
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20:15 < newsham> hmm..  there's an io.ReadByter but no io.WriteByter.  Is
that an oversight or purposeful?
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20:16 < newsham> also, is there any way to convert a singleton (ie byte)
into a slice (ie.  []byte) ?
20:17 <+iant> given x of type byte, you can get a slice by doing []byte{x}
20:17 < KirkMcDonald> newsham: []byte{x}
20:17 < KirkMcDonald> heh
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20:17 < newsham> sorry, I meant as a reference.
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20:17 <+iant> not sure what you mean
20:18 < newsham> I guess I can avoid WriteByter by doing a Write([]byte{x}).
20:18 < newsham> but in general, if I have "x *int" and I want to pass in a
"[]int" is there a conversion for that?
20:18 <+iant> no, not directly
20:18 < newsham> or would I have to pass in []int{val} and then copy back
slice[0] to *x?
20:19 <+iant> interesting idea
20:19 <+iant> yeah
20:20 < newsham> iant: also, wanted to give feedback on something I miss
from C. The ability to handle exceptions ala the "exception monad".  ie: if((err =
func1()) || (err == func2()) || (er == func3())) return err;
20:20 < newsham> oops, "=" not "=="
20:21 < newsham> but as I understand it there's no assignment in conditional
expressions, so the short circuit operators cant be used like that.
20:21 < newsham> the weaker: if(func1() || func2() || func3()) return true;
still works ("maybe monad")
20:21 < KirkMcDonald> In D, that slice thing would be spelled: (&x)[0..1]
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20:22 < KirkMcDonald> This is because you can use the slice syntax on
pointers, receiving its equivalent of a slice.
20:22 <+iant> newsham: what you say is correct: no assignments in
conditionals
20:23 < KirkMcDonald> I don't think Go's slice semantics would permit this,
however.
20:23 < KirkMcDonald> (Since there would be no underlying array.)
20:23 <+iant> it actually could work; at runtime a slice is a pointer, a
length and a capacity
20:23 < newsham> in a sense all singletons are an array of size 1.
20:23 <+iant> we could point to the value and set the length and capacity to
1
20:23 < KirkMcDonald> iant: So no actual array is required.
20:23 < newsham> (philosophically, I dont know implementation details)
20:23 < KirkMcDonald> iant: Okay.  So just like D.
20:24 <+iant> the language does require it, but it would not be impossible
to change the language
20:24 < KirkMcDonald> D's equivalent of a slice is called a dynamic array,
and just consists of a pointer and length.
20:24 < KirkMcDonald> And it has no particular limitations on what the
pointer may point to.
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20:28 < newsham> I would love to be able to do a bunch of "err,val = func()"
in a row and somehow use short circuits on the intermediate err's
20:29 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bSGxT by [Russ Cox] in go/test/ -- test: fix
run-arm to count bugs correctly
20:29 < newsham> and be able to return the final err that got captured
20:29 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bSGy1 by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/runtime/arm/
-- runtime/arm: fix build
20:29 < wobsite> So, I'm having trouble getting the json.Unmarshaler
interface working.  The code I'm working with is here :
http://pastebin.com/UNhL4uZZ . It prints out true, then 0.  given the true, I
would expect the message in Jtest.UnmarshalJSON to be printed, but it's not.
20:29 < wobsite> Does anyone know what I'm missing?
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20:39 < wobsite> anyone?
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21:13 < ShadowIce> wobsite: "json: cannot unmarshal object into Go value of
type main.Jtest"
21:13 < ShadowIce> that's what json.Unmarshal returns...
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21:32 < wobsite> ShadowIce: not on my end
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21:32 < ShadowIce> did you check for errors?
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21:34 < wobsite> ah, nevermind.  that is what I get when I check the error
code.  I don't understand why I'm getting that though.
21:35 < ShadowIce> well...it goes away if you change Jtest to a struct...but
it's still not calling UnmarshalJSON and I don't have a clue why not
21:36 < exch> possibly because int already implements an unmarshaler.  What
happens when you change Jtest to an empty struct?  'type Jtest struct{}'
21:37 < exch> i'm just guessing here though
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21:37 < wobsite> exch : The error goes away, but it still doesn't call
UnmarshalJSON
21:37 < exch> hmm
21:37 < exch> oh right, that's what you meant up there ^
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21:40 < ShadowIce> ^^
21:40 < jessta> wobsite: UnmarshalJSON([]byte) os.Error
21:41 < jessta> func (j *Jtest) UnmarshalJSON (b []uint8) os.Error {
21:41 < jessta> one of these things is not like the other
21:41 < wobsite> byte == uint8.  I just tried changing it, no effect.
21:42 < wobsite> unless I'm blind and missing another difference?
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21:44 < jessta> wobsite: []uint8("{\"obj\":\"val\"}") <-- how does that
become an int?
21:47 < wobsite> it doesn't, really, but it's the UnmarshalJSON method's
responsibility to do the conversion.  My understanding is as long as it's legal
json, I should be able to convert it any way I like.  the problem is the method
isn't being called at all.
21:54 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bSLSI by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/big/ -- big:
fix memory corruption in nat.shr
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22:11 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bSMUM by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/gc/ -- gc:
error for nested functions, one semicolon problem
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22:22 < jessta> wobsite: json.Unmarshal([]uint8("{\"obj\":\"val\"}"), &j)
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22:42 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bSORx by [Russ Cox] in 4 subdirs of go/ -- gc:
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23:00 < wobsite> jessta: That did the trick, thanks.
23:02 < BrowserUk> jessta: re: Dynamic linking.  Is your statement that
there are currently no plans for go to implement this definitive?  Or is there
room for discussion?
23:02 < jessta> it's one of the annoying things about interface{}
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23:04 < jessta> BrowserUk: I'm not a Go-dev, but from what I've read a
number of the devs aren't a fan of dynamic linking
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23:06 < taruti> BrowserUk: why would you want dynamic linking?
23:06 * BrowserUk wonders .oO( If I could pursuade jessta, would that have any
affect upon the Go-devs?)
23:07 < taruti> go-binaries are not *that* large
23:08 < sladegen> implementing it may persuade Go-devs...  i think it's just
not their toppish priority.
23:08 < taruti> and for plugins using processes + pipes is better
23:08 < jessta> BrowserUk: nope, pursuading me would have no effect
23:09 < jessta> dynamic linking is great in theory
23:09 < jessta> like inheritance is great in theory
23:09 < BrowserUk> taruti: Because I've been considering implementing an
interpreter in go, and the ability to dynamically load modules to that interpreter
is pretty much a necessity.
23:10 < jessta> BrowserUk: you could use pipes
23:10 < jessta> or netchans
23:11 < BrowserUk> jessta: I'm with you on inheritance; no so DL. I don't
think many of the counter arguments hold much water.  and would like to try and
debunk them.
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23:12 < sladegen> or load compiler and do the jitty...  /me has some more
wilde ideas.
23:13 < BrowserUk> jessta: A client-server, serialised arhcitecture for
extended types, roles etc.?
23:14 < jessta> BrowserUk: get dynamically linked binary from a couple years
ago and try to run it on a recent linux distro
23:15 < jessta> BrowserUk: huh?  netchans?
23:16 < BrowserUk> jessta: Get the sources of an app from a couple of years
ago and try to compile them against the syslibs on a recent distro.
23:17 < BrowserUk> jessta: Looking through the Go docs for netchans; coming
up empty?
23:17 < jessta> http://golang.org/pkg/netchan/
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23:19 < BrowserUk> jessat: Thanks.
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23:23 < jessta> BrowserUk:
http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/dynamic-linking/
23:25 < BrowserUk> jessta: Still serialised under the covers:pipes/sockets
are bytes streams; still suffers the "versioning problem":if the importer is built
from a later revision of the go runtime than the exporter, or vice versa; type
safety goes out the window.
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23:26 < exch> there's also the issue of having to build a wrapper binary for
each single go package which exposes the netchan interface
23:26 < exch> might as well just import everything into the interpreter then
:p
23:34 < jessta> BrowserUk: well your problem space will always have
versioning problems if you want to load modules from different places at runtime
23:37 < BrowserUk> jessta: The numbers in that "dynamic linking harmful"
document are very deceptive.  Sure, multiple running instances of the same binary
can share their text seg.  And not all go-built statically-linked binaries need to
carry the whole of the go RT. But any two, non-identical binaries will not be able
to share their text segs, even though they will often, in large part, consist
mostly of (identical) go RT code.
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23:39 < jessta> BrowserUk: which is the theoritcal reason dynamic linking is
useful
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23:44 < BrowserUk> jessta: Yes.  And the numbers in that particular
document--by virtue of their vagueness--do not debunk that.
23:45 < kmeyer> another nicety of dynamic linking is that security updates
don't require rebuilding 'the world'
23:47 < BrowserUk> jessta: But in reality, I'm less concerned with having
the go RT being DL'd.  More interested in being able to create .sos containing go
code, that go built executables can conditionally load at runtime.
23:48 < jessta> kmeyer: you'd only have to rebuild the binaries that call
the effected code
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23:49 < BrowserUk> jessta: which could be a few; or if (for example), a vuln
was discovered in go Printf implementation, could mean nearly all of them.
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23:51 < kmeyer> jessta: yeah, but that's pretty painful in the average case
23:51 < kmeyer> and what keeps track of what calls what?
23:51 < jessta> source code, package manager etc.
23:51 < kmeyer> pff
23:52 < kmeyer> so on a typical unixy system with some system binaries and
maybe some user-built binaries in their home directories..
23:52 < kmeyer> the package manager might take care of the system ones --
though likely it's easier to just rebuild everything than to check each package
23:52 < kmeyer> but that still leaves the user-built binaries with the
vulnerability
23:56 < jessta> yeah, but at least they will work
23:58 < BrowserUk> I really like most all of the ideas behind go as an
alternative to C. Some things I could argue differently for on the basis of
preference: exceptions (though panic/recover mostly negate that); asserts: (dying
with proper error messages just seems like make-work for many situations, when a
stack trace would take straight to the source of the problem); but the inability
to partition executables is the big stopper at this point.
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