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00:27 < BrowserUk> Is it possible to tie into the range clause of the for
loop for iterating custom structures?
00:28 <+iant> yes, see, e.g., Vector.Iter
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00:45 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bUmfG by [Robert Griesemer] in go/doc/ -- go
spec: clarification of make arguments,
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00:51 < BrowserUk> iant: Ah, neat.  I'd been thinking of channels as only
for threading.  That's tidy.  Thanks.
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02:17 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bUsga by [Andrew Gerrand] in 2 subdirs of go/
-- release.2010-05-04
02:17 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bUsgf by [Andrew Gerrand] in go/ --
release.2010-05-04 tags
02:18 < divoxx> is there a specific way to handle a C "array of strings"
(**char) using cgo?
02:19 < divoxx> or should I do something like go through every 4bytes and
call C.GoString on the pointer?
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02:47 < kmeyer> with the latest release, running make.bash I get:
02:48 < kmeyer> make[1]: *** [_go_.6] Error 1
02:48 < kmeyer> make: *** [crypto/rsa.install] Error 2
02:48 < kmeyer> any ideas?
02:49 < kmeyer> oh, hrm.
02:53 < kmeyer> ahhh
02:58 < kmeyer> issue reported :)
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05:18 < xorl> There a way to do multiple TARG with one Makefile using
Make.cmd?
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05:26 < divoxx> xorl: no, each folder are separate packages so there can be
only one target
05:26 < kmeyer> don't believe so
05:26 < kmeyer> anyone used protobuf with go before?
05:26 < kmeyer> I'm having quite a hard time getting it to work...
05:26 < divoxx> you need to create another directory with it's own makefile
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05:27 < xorl> divoxx, that's what I thought thanks for that
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05:44 < xorl> hmm
05:44 < xorl> now how to define multiple levels of flag.Bool
05:44 < xorl> like main usage, then a secondary usage level for a main level
switch
05:45 < xorl> but don't list specified usage in the main os.Args(0) list
05:45 < xorl> sorry os.Args[0]
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06:01 < xorl> Like flag.PrintDefaults
06:01 < xorl> but for one level or another.
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06:49 < kmeyer> Got it working -- IMO it should mention it needs protobuf
2.3.0
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07:49 < kmeyer> is there a library call for creating a directory in /tmp
(mkdtemp or something)?
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09:11 < Tonnerre> felipe!
09:11 < Tonnerre> ltns!
09:12 < felipe> hey Tonnerre :)
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09:12 < felipe> I'm only on all your channels.  heh
09:12 < Tonnerre> So you're into go now too?
09:12 < Tonnerre> felipe, nah, not true, you're not on #nosec ;)
09:12 < felipe> not really, C and scheme for most stuff
09:13 < felipe> hehe
09:13 < Tonnerre> Nor on #solaris, hmm
09:13 < felipe> oh.  interesting.  this is a solaris box too
09:13 * felipe shrugs
09:14 < felipe> oracle solaris, or whatever it's called these days
09:18 < felipe> Tonnerre: oh duh.  I am on #solaris ..  just my autojoin was
still in progress
09:18 < Tonnerre> felipe, hm, I don't see you there
09:19 < felipe> s/was/is/ :)
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10:51 < Tonnerre> Demp_, could you please try turning down the
refractoriness a little?
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12:19 < uriel> Tonnerre: /ignore Demp works fine
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12:19 < taruti> 7ignore JOINS PARTS QUITS ;)
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14:11 < megaboz> any easy way to access a random map element?
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14:12 <+iant> truly random?
14:12 < megaboz> yup
14:12 <+iant> no, not really; you could use range and stop randomly
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14:12 <+iant> but it wouldn't be particularly efficient
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14:15 < megaboz> good idea, but that will make markov cry
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14:26 < BrowserUk> megabots: Keep a parallel array of the keys; pick one of
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14:32 < exch> you are prolly stuck just picking a random int from
0-len(map), store it in a history and then iterating the map to that key and
return the result
14:33 < sauer> hi
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14:33 < exch> lo
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14:39 < kimelto> morning!
14:39 < sauer> spricht hier jemand deutsch?
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14:40 < sauer> aiaiai
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14:53 < sauer> I can more or less program in Python and Java, now I want to
learn Go, because I think it's more useful for programs than Python, which is
better for scripts.  Now i don't know anything about these prefixes & and *, can
someone explain them to me?
14:56 < BrowserUk> Anyone know where the guys (Hector Chu etc.) behind go
for the-platform-that-must-not-be-named hang out?
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15:06 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: & is the address-of operator.
15:06 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: * is the dereference operator, and is also used
to denote that a type is a pointer.
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15:15 < sauer> KirkMcDonald: ok i'll try to understand that :D
15:16 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: Whenever you have something in memory, it has
an address.
15:16 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: A pointer is an integer containing a memory
address.
15:17 < KirkMcDonald> ptr := &foo // ptr points to wherever 'foo' is
15:17 < KirkMcDonald> bar := *ptr // bar contains a copy of the value in foo
15:18 < KirkMcDonald> *ptr = baz // now the value of foo is different
15:22 < exch> sauer: play with this a little:
http://www.gopaste.net/?id=1565
15:22 < exch> basically explains what KirkMcDonald just mentioned
15:23 < sauer> ok so if foo is 5, then ptr is another name for this int
object and bar is a new int object containing also 5?
15:25 < exch> 'package pain' should obviously be 'package main' -.-
15:25 * exch needs moar coffee
15:27 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: If foo is 5, then foo has the type int, and ptr
has the type *int.
15:27 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: bar also has the type int.
15:28 < sauer> exch: could be that my questions are a pain for you ;)
15:28 < sauer> KirkMcDonald: so * marks a pointer?
15:28 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: In a type, yes.
15:28 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: *int should be read "pointer to int."
15:29 < sauer> ok i got that part :)
15:29 < sauer> and &foo gives me the address of foo?
15:29 < KirkMcDonald> Yep.
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15:30 < KirkMcDonald> (Hence, "address-of operator.")
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15:31 < sauer> and what for do i want to know the address of a variable?
15:31 < sauer> i had no need for that til now
15:31 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: Well, you've said you've used Python and Java.
15:31 < sauer> yep
15:32 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: Consider the following Python function: def
f(L): L.append(12)
15:32 < sladegen> sauer: in order to not copy whole value of a variable when
you pass it around...
15:32 < KirkMcDonald> f() receives a reference to L.
15:32 < sauer> right
15:33 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: An equivalent Go function might look like: func
f(L *list) { L.append(12) }
15:33 < KirkMcDonald> (Where "list" is some fictional type which has an
'append' method.)
15:34 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: If that weren't a pointer, you could only
modify the copy of L which the function received.
15:34 < KirkMcDonald> You could not mutate the object that is passed in.
15:34 < sauer> ok so that L not copies the whole list object but refers to
the same?
15:34 < exch> ya
15:34 < KirkMcDonald> Yes.
15:34 < sauer> ahhh
15:34 < sauer> :)
15:34 < exch> so the changes to it are visible outside that function as well
15:35 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: Both Python and Java tend to do indirection
implicitly.  Pointers are a way of doing indirection explicitly.
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15:35 < sauer> ok that's why i never needed them :D
15:37 < sauer> foo := 1; a := *foo; // now b := &foo would copy '2'?
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15:37 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: Unary * is not valid on integers.
15:37 < KirkMcDonald> Just pointers.
15:38 < kmeyer> Oh, man.
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15:38 < kmeyer> the whole "Read(buf) doesn't re-size buf" thing just tripped
me up for a few hours
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15:39 < sauer> oh i swapped them -.-
15:39 < sauer> foo := 1; a := &foo; // now b := *foo would copy '2'?
15:39 < sauer> now correct?
15:39 < sauer> *'1'
15:39 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: Yes, b will be a distinct int variable.
15:39 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: One thing to keep in mind is the meaning of the
word "variable" in Go.
15:40 < sauer> which is?
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15:40 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: When you say "var x int", you are literally
saying "reserve enough space somewhere for an int, and call this location in
memory x."
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15:40 < sauer> in java it's the same, isn' it?
15:41 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: So when you say "b := *foo", you're saying
"make a new variable b, and copy the value of *foo into it."
15:41 < jpic> i upgraded to php 5.2.13 but my fastcgi backend dies in case
of fatal errors ...  strace (end): http://dpaste.com/191224/ php-cgi -i:
http://pub.ocpsys.com/phpinfo.html
15:41 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: Yes.
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15:42 < sauer> KirkMcDonald: if I say b := 2; foo := b; what happens then?
15:42 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: b and foo are both ints.
15:42 < KirkMcDonald> They both contain 2.
15:42 < sauer> both the same?
15:43 < KirkMcDonald> They are two distinct int variables.
15:43 < KirkMcDonald> Which will contain the same value.
15:43 < KirkMcDonald> foo = 3 won't affect b.
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15:44 < jpic> oops my bad
15:45 < sauer> KikMcDonald: ah ok...  as a last check to be sure that i
understodd the whole thing: this: foo := 3; a := *foo; b := &a; does the same
like: foo := 3; b := foo?
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15:47 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: I assume you mean & and not *.
15:47 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: And vice versa.
15:47 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: Because in that case, yes, that is correct.
15:47 < sauer> damn i did it again?  >.<
15:48 < KirkMcDonald> & = address-of
15:48 < KirkMcDonald> * = dereference
15:48 < exch> confused yet?  :)
15:48 < sauer> yeah :(
15:48 < exch> yo'll get used to it once you've played with it a few times
15:48 < exch> *you'll
15:48 < KirkMcDonald> This is mostly the same as C, as well.
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15:49 < sauer> argh i will search a graphic explaining this sh*t
15:49 < KirkMcDonald> The declaration syntax is different, of course.
15:49 < KirkMcDonald> And C's notion of the subscript syntax is different.
15:49 < KirkMcDonald> And taking the address of a local variable has a
slightly different meaning in Go...
15:50 < KirkMcDonald> Fun C fact: a[b] is equivalent to *(a + b) is
equivalent to b[a].
15:50 < sladegen> it's altogether different but almost the same as in C.
15:51 < fuzzybyte> is the :=operator purely notational choice for hilighting
that it's an initialization or why can't i just use =operator for that too like in
C?
15:51 < KirkMcDonald> fuzzybyte: := is a declaration.
15:51 < KirkMcDonald> fuzzybyte: a := b is equivalent to var a <type of
b> = b
15:52 < fuzzybyte> but i can write "var foo = 5;".  why couldn't i just
write "foo = 5;" to achieve the same?
15:52 < KirkMcDonald> fuzzybyte: Consider nested scopes.
15:52 < exch> you can if foo is already defined
15:52 < sauer> http://darksiren.net/stuff/PointersInC.gif is this mainly
correct and fitting to go aswell?  in go it would be *int ptr;, right?
15:53 < fuzzybyte> yes, but why can't that define it too
15:53 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: It would be ptr *int
15:53 <+iant> fuzzybyte: some languages don't distinguish declaration and
assignment; Go does distinguish them to reduce the consequences of making a typo
for a variable name
15:53 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: Well, var ptr *int
15:53 < exch> a := b means 'create new veriable of type typeof(b) and assign
b'
15:53 < sauer> ah ok
15:53 < fuzzybyte> iant: ah, ok.  that was the answer i was looking for.  so
it is just to prevent mistakes then?
15:54 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: Yes, apart from the syntax differences, that
graphic basically applies to Go.
15:54 < exch> It can lead to some confusion when dealing with scopes if you
are not careful.  Which ads risk of 'mistakes'
15:54 < fuzzybyte> actually, you can't do that in C as it needs the type..
but in python at least
15:55 < sauer> yes python is reeeaaally easy :)
15:56 < fuzzybyte> too easy?  :))
15:56 < KirkMcDonald> I use Python for most things.
15:56 < sauer> yeah maybe, or why should i learn Go then?
15:56 < fuzzybyte> because python is slow as it has GIL?
15:56 < Tonnerre> sauer, to expand your horizon
15:56 < KirkMcDonald> The GIL only applies when using threads.  Obviously.
15:56 < Tonnerre> fuzzybyte, or because python is inconsistent ;))
15:57 < fuzzybyte> sure
15:57 < sauer> Tonnerre: mhm that's a cool reason, i'll remember it :)
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15:57 < fuzzybyte> Tonnerre: how so?
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15:59 < sauer> ok i've got another question: i installed Go like described
at http://golang.org/doc/install.html but when i type 8g to compile something it
can't find this command
15:59 < sauer> :/
15:59 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: What does 6g say?
15:59 < sauer> same
15:59 < KirkMcDonald> Is $GOBIN on your $PATH?
15:59 < sladegen> export PATH=$PATH:$GOBIN
16:00 < sauer> uhm lemme see
16:00 < sauer> omg -.- NVM
16:02 < sauer> sladegen: i hope linux developers are clever enough so that
your command won't overwrite my whole PATH like in win ;)
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16:04 < sauer> does .go source code need this newline at the end of the
file?  that's strang
16:04 < sauer> *strange
16:04 < exch> not for me
16:05 < exch> infact, running the code through gofmt removes any trainling
newlines
16:05 < sauer> python and java don't need it
16:05 < exch> *trailing
16:06 < sauer> for me it does, i added one and it work
16:06 < sauer> 'worked
16:07 < wrtp> sauer: go's worth learning, at least, to play with the
concurrency stuff - the model is way better than python's
16:07 < uriel> concurrency in python is a joke, a bad joke
16:07 < exch> that would constitute inconsistent behaviour then.  Probably
worth filing a bugreport for.  if your version of gofmt is the same as the rest,
using it will keep breaking your builds
16:07 < uriel> (but then, same is true for most languages)
16:10 < KirkMcDonald> There are actually some sensible ways to do certain
kinds of things concurrently in Python.
16:10 < KirkMcDonald> ...  but not using threads.  :-)
16:11 < wrtp> KirkMcDonald: what kinds of things?
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16:11 < KirkMcDonald> wrtp: Anything which you can do concurrently by using
multiple processes instead of threads.  Like a preforking server.
16:12 < sauer> what is a panic: runtime error: invalid memory address or nil
pointer dereference?  I got it executing exch's code :/
16:12 < KirkMcDonald> Which code?
16:12 < wrtp> KirkMcDonald: ok, sure.  so just like C without threads - you
can use pipes to communicate...
16:12 < KirkMcDonald> wrtp: Right.
16:12 < sauer> http://www.gopaste.net/?id=1565
16:13 < KirkMcDonald> Python is, in many ways, like C.
16:13 < exch> it's about reading, not executing :p
16:13 < wrtp> Python is, in many ways, like Lisp :-)
16:13 < sauer> i like these channels in Go
16:13 < sauer> exch: that explains much
16:13 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: Ah, let me guess, it is failing on line 18?
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16:13 < exch> it doesn't tell you anything KirkMcDonald hasn't already
explained anyways :)
16:14 < KirkMcDonald> wrtp: And this combination of C-ness and Lisp-ness
makes it useful.
16:14 < wrtp> it'll fail on line 14
16:15 < wrtp> oops
16:15 < KirkMcDonald> wrtp: Hmm?
16:15 < KirkMcDonald> heh
16:15 < wrtp> no 18's right
16:15 < exch> uninitialized pointer
16:15 < sauer> http://paste.org/pastebin/view/18158
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16:15 < KirkMcDonald> sauer: Line 10 of that point refers to line 18 of your
file.
16:15 < KirkMcDonald> s/point/post/
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16:16 < ptolomy> http://pastie.org/946957 <-- lazy list proof of concept.
See main() for example.  Not for real use.
16:16 < exch> b = new(int); *b = 2; will fix it
16:16 < sauer> oh...  why is it in the middle of an error message?  it
should be on top like in all other languages :/
16:17 < exch> Go doesnt have a debugger yet sauer.  Stackt races are the
best you're going to get right now :)
16:17 < sauer> ok....  but GET ONE FAST!  :D
16:17 < exch> It's a bit verbose, but it usually tells you all you need
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16:18 < wrtp> sauer: you just have to ignore the first few entries, which
relate to go internals
16:18 < wrtp> sauer: just go back until you find a file name you
recognise...
16:20 < sauer> wrtp: thanks for this useful tip ;)
16:21 < sauer> shouldn't the last Printf()s also be failing?  it should be
*b and *c, right?
16:22 < sauer> and always twice
16:23 < wrtp> sauer: no, it's always valid to print the value of a pointer
(which is an address), even if it doesn't point to anything
16:23 < exch> it should then just print <nil>
16:23 < exch> for that value part that is
16:24 < wrtp> sauer: in python terms, you could think of a pointer as an
object with two methods, Get() and Set().
16:24 < sauer> maybe it should....  it prints %vmissing
16:25 < wrtp> good point, it needs the argument twice in each case
16:25 < exch> another shortcoming in my lame typing skills.  I should really
stop doing that
16:25 < exch> make it: fmt.printf("..", a, a)
16:25 < wrtp> exch: always worth testing code before posting :-)
16:25 < exch> yes, good point :p
16:25 * exch goes back to his much needed coffee
16:26 < sauer> exch: i did, don't worry...
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16:29 < sauer> damn those *s and &s still confuse me
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16:54 < wrtp> sauer: the underlying model is really simple: everything lives
in memory, so everything is stored somewhere in memory (at an address).  by
passing around a pointer, you're passing around the location of something, not the
something itself.
16:54 < wrtp> if you assign something or pass it to a function, that
something is always copied.
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17:10 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bVz4r by [Conrad Meyer] in go/src/pkg/net/ --
Fix a typo in net/unixsock
17:10 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bVz4w by [Kyle Consalus] in
go/src/pkg/strings/ -- Conversion from loop to copy().
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18:08 < sauer> is there an editor that support syntax highlighting for go?
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18:08 < Tonnerre> vim
18:09 < exch> plenty: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/text-editors/
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18:23 < ni|> sauer: iirc emacs does too
18:23 < ni|> but i find syntax highlighting distracting
18:23 < Tonnerre> Me too, admittedly
18:24 < Tonnerre> It's like painting the verb in every sentence in green
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18:27 < MizardX> Can you add comparison capability to a type, and specify
how it is done?  From what I've read about sort, the order is defined by the
collection, and not the values themselves.
18:28 < uriel> Tonnerre: yay acme ;)
18:28 < ni|> uriel: indeed :)
18:28 < ni|> or sam
18:28 < uriel> or ed ;P
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18:28 < ni|> uriel: does go work on p9 yet?
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18:29 < uriel> ni|: don't ask me...
18:29 < uriel> but actually, I found a project that seems to have some
working code...
18:29 < uriel> one sec
18:30 <+iant> MizardX: you can add a method to a type which describes how to
compare it, but that won't make sort use that method
18:30 < ni|> uriel: what are you running then?  I thought you were mostly p9
exclusive?
18:31 < MizardX> iant: In other languages, you can often overload the
operators.  For example, define how "<" is supposed to work on objects of that
type.  Is this possible with go?
18:32 < kmeyer> gross, p9
18:32 <+iant> No, Go does not currently support operator overloading
18:32 < kmeyer> MizardX: No.
18:33 < sauer> thanks for this link exch
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19:08 < MacCoaster> What's a likely reason for me to get "2010/05/05
14:57:56 error decoding client header: EOF" from: http://pastebin.com/t9jnX9C7 ?
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19:10 < kmeyer> some buffer likely has a length you don't expect
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19:12 < kmeyer> MacCoaster: if you change new(string) to just "", what
happens?
19:14 < MacCoaster> panic: interface conversion: reflect.Value is
*reflect.StringValue, not *reflect.PtrValue
19:14 < MacCoaster> ...  thought i had to define a type there?
19:16 < kmeyer> I don't know, the docs are pretty sparse
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19:20 < sauer> can someone tell me how i may send a HTTP GET request and
receivethe file it sends me?
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19:23 < exch> check out the http package
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19:25 < sauer> yeah i found this codelab thing in /doc/codelab/wiki...  i'll
have a look at it
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19:35 < MacCoaster> kmeyer: aw jeez i should read what little docs there
are, apparently supposed to be a struct, d'oh; thanks though, i'll try and see :)
19:36 < kmeyer> heh, ok
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19:36 < kmeyer> I've never used netchan before, sorry I don't know more :P
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19:45 < sauer> where can I find docs about the http package?
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19:46 <+iant> sauer: http://golang.org/pkg/http/
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19:46 < uriel> or use godoc
19:46 < sauer> i couldn't find that :/ thanks!
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19:59 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bVMTH by [Russ Cox] in go/ -- CONTRIBUTORS:
add Brad Fitzpatrick (Google Inc)
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22:25 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bVWbN by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/ --
pkg/Makefile: add netchan to standard package list
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23:58 < plexdev> http://is.gd/bW1Z1 by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/gob/ -- gob:
add support for maps.
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