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01:56 < richardr> Hey I've got a library that is using strings.Bytes(var)
which doesn't seem to exist.  What should I replace that with?
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02:30 < jessta> richardr: []byte("hello")
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10:06 < madari> hello
10:08 < kanade> hi
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10:37 < Tonnerre> So, golang package built for centos5
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10:42 < wrtp> Tonnerre: have you tried it?
10:43 < wrtp> i don't know about centos5, but looking at the web page it
seems that it should be 100% binary compatible
10:43 < wrtp> which means you could just use existing linux port
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11:41 < Tonnerre> wrtp, I built RPMs for it
11:41 < wrtp> have you tried just installing it with hg and running
src/all.bash?
11:42 < Tonnerre> wrtp, as I said, I built RPMs for it so people can get
golang with package management
11:43 < wrtp> ok.  sorry, i thought your original remark was a question!
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12:37 < manveru> could someone tell me how i can obtain a function from a
struct?
12:38 < manveru> for passing around, that is
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12:41 < exch> I found a parsing inconsistency between gofmt and 6g.  I'll
update to latest TIP to see if it's still there.  If so i'll post a bugreport
12:41 < manveru> like, i have this method: 'func (x *X) A() {}', and i'd
like to pass it to another function: 'Foo((*X).A)'
12:43 < manveru> oh...  i think i have it
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12:45 < manveru> i accidentially used an instance...
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12:53 < exch> yup.  still goes for newest release.  I founds me a genuin bug
\o/
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19:02 < plexdev> http://is.gd/c7MK7 by [Robert Griesemer] in 2 subdirs of
go/test/ -- bug274: test case for issue 777
19:02 < plexdev> http://is.gd/c7MK9 by [Andrew Gerrand] in 2 subdirs of
go/doc/ -- rename 'gordon' to 'gopher'
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20:04 < plexdev> http://is.gd/c7QC1 by [Roger Peppe] in go/src/pkg/fmt/ --
Prevent Printf crashing when giving an extra nil argument.
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21:05 < Soultaker> so if I read the language guide correctly, you can accept
arbitrary parameters in two ways:
21:05 < Soultaker> func(...)
21:05 < Soultaker> or func(...interface{})
21:05 < Soultaker> in the former case you get a structure as an argument
(which you have to decompose using reflection)
21:06 < Soultaker> in the second case you get a []interface{} which you can
process without reflection
21:06 < Soultaker> for the calling side the two are equivalent I assume?
21:06 < Soultaker> if so, what's the use case for/advantage of the first
way?
21:13 < wrtp> Soultaker: the first way is a hangover from an earlier version
of the language
21:13 < wrtp> i think it'll probably be deprecated
21:14 < wrtp> or else changed so it's synonymous with func(...  interface{})
21:14 < wrtp> i don't think it has any advantages
21:14 < Soultaker> ah, ok.  I couldn't spot any either, so I wondered if I
misunderstood something.
21:15 < Soultaker> the combination of a for loop and a type switch to
process variable arguments looks quite nice.
21:20 < wrtp> yeah, i don't think it could be much better.  it's nice that
you don't have to use the reflect package any more
21:21 < wrtp> and you don't have to type switch if all your arguments are of
the same type
21:24 < Soultaker> yes, the fact that you can take a variable number of
arguments but still enforce a type is a nice touch.
21:28 < wrtp> the only wrinkle is that it's not easy to convert an array
into a list of arguments
21:28 < wrtp> it's possible but a bit awkward
21:29 < Soultaker> how is it possible?  with an unsafe operation?
21:29 < Soultaker> (I guess it would not be hard to introduce syntax for
passing a list of variable arguments verbatim)
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21:34 < wrtp> no, it's not an unsafe operation
21:34 < wrtp> the key is that you can assign to the identifer that
represents the variable arguments
21:35 < Soultaker> I'm not sure I follow...
21:35 < wrtp> so you could do: func MyPrint(a []interface{}) {func(b ...
interface{}) {b = a; Print(b)}()}
21:36 < wrtp> s/Print(b)/fmt.Print(b)/
21:36 < Soultaker> ah, I see.  that's a nice trick, but I guess that doesn't
work for arbitrary functions that are not nested lexically inside your scope?
21:37 < wrtp> sure it does
21:37 < wrtp> fmt.Print isn't nested inside that scope
21:37 < Soultaker> oh, right
21:37 < wrtp> any time you want to pass an array to a vararg function, you
can use the above idiom
21:38 < Soultaker> so the assignment turns a from an array of {}interface
objects into a 'variable argument list' variable?
21:38 < Soultaker> (for which there is no 'real' type I guess)
21:38 < wrtp> yup.
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21:38 < Soultaker> I'd expect there to be syntax like Foo(x, y, ...z) or
something for that
21:40 < wrtp> there's an issue for it:
http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=640
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21:48 < XniX23> are there any web frameworks for go?
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22:18 < Soultaker> are there any particular performance considerations when
using closures?
22:19 < Soultaker> for example, is there any performance overhead associated
with accessing variables from an outside scope compared to (say) sticking those in
a struct and passing that as an argument to a function?
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22:23 < Soultaker> A different question: is it possible to use function
types when defining functions?
22:23 <+iant> A closure probably has a bit more overhead
22:23 < Soultaker> for example, I can do: f := func() int { return 123 }
22:24 < Soultaker> but it seems I can't do: type T func() int; f := T {
return 123 }
22:24 <+iant> the syntax requires the func keyword, you can't use a typedef
there
22:24 < Soultaker> so not even something like func T { ..  } ?
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22:24 <+iant> no
22:25 < Soultaker> it's unfortunate because if I have a complex function
type definition and I define a function that returns a function of that type, then
it gets weird:
22:25 < Soultaker> func foo() T { return func(int,float,string) struct{etc
etc etc} { ..  } }
22:25 <+iant> you can say func () T { }
22:26 < Soultaker> hmm, isn't that a func returning T though?
22:26 <+iant> yeah, I see what you mean
22:26 < Soultaker> I mean, if I have "func foo() T" and T is an int or a
struct,
22:26 < Soultaker> I can do return T(1) or return T{1,2,3}
22:26 < Soultaker> so there is symmetry between the declared return type and
the value I'm returning
22:27 < Soultaker> apparently that's not possible when returning a function
(even though the values must still have the same type?)
22:27 <+iant> right
22:27 < Soultaker> ah, ok.  just checking if I missed anything.
22:27 < Soultaker> Re: closures: is the (rough, high-level) implementation
described somewhere?  where does the overhead you mention come from?
22:28 <+iant> when a closure refers to a variable in an enclosing scope, the
closure itself gets allocated on the heap; it's not a simple function pointer
22:28 <+iant> that is necessary because the closure has to include
references to the variables which it closes over
22:29 <+iant> actually, it may be that 6g always allocates closures on the
heap, in which case there isn't much performance difference
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22:29 < Soultaker> but does that incur a performance overhead while
executing the closure?
22:29 <+iant> no, just when creating the closure
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22:31 < Soultaker> but refering to variables outside your own function scope
involves at least some indirection, right?
22:31 < wrtp> 6g always allocates closures on the heap, but it doesn't have
to
22:31 < wrtp> Soultaker: one level of indirection, same as referring to a
member of a structure on the heap
22:32 < Soultaker> ok.  that makes sense and doesn't seem too expensive.
22:33 < wrtp> i thought recently that it would be nice if the compiler
worked out which closures were not passed outside the function, and allocated them
on the stack.
22:33 < wrtp> it could speed up defer (for instance) quite a bit
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22:34 <+iant> there are several other similar optimizations that the
compiler could do
22:34 < wrtp> but it would involve putting executable instructions on the
stack which might be frowned on
22:34 <+iant> e.g., if you take the address of a variable, and pass it to a
function, but that function doesn't save the address, you can allocate the
variable on the stack
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22:35 < Soultaker> wrtp: do you mean the actual *code* for a closure is
generated dynamically?!
22:35 < wrtp> yeah, but you can do the above optimisation without getting
interprocedural...
22:35 < wrtp> Soultaker: yeah.  just a stub
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22:37 < wrtp> Soultaker: see http://golang.org/src/pkg/runtime/386/closure.c
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