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00:17 < Ginto8> Hey I have a question about time.Ticker
00:18 < Ginto8> will the time it waits to send out a second tick decrease if
it had to wait to send the first tick?
00:19 < Soultaker> IIRC it never waits.
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00:20 < Ginto8> so if I have it send out ticks every second, and I miss it
the first second, I have to wait for the next second to recieve it?
00:21 < Soultaker> yes, if you take more than a second to process, you could
miss a tick.
00:21 < Ginto8> hmmm
00:21 < Soultaker> the timer just uses a 1-slot buffered channel and drops
an item into it at a fixed interval.  so if you haven't taken it out before the
next tick you skip a beat.
00:22 < Soultaker> (for my purposes that was actually desired behaviour, but
I can imagine it might not be in all cases)
00:24 < Ginto8> ok thanks
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01:05 < Ginto8> can you have an exported function return an unexported type
if that type implements an exported interface?
01:08 < Eridius> if the exported function is declared as returning that
interface, I don't see why it wouldn't work
01:09 < Ginto8> okay so I have to declare it as returning the interface
rather than the function...  ok thanks!
01:09 < KirkMcDonald> I believe it can still return the unexported type...
01:09 < KirkMcDonald> Play with it.
01:09 < Eridius> I haven't tested, but I would not expect to be able to
export a function that is declared as returning a non-exported type
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02:49 < exch> would this work as expected?  (eg: swapping the elements)
pixels[i * 4], pixels[i * 4 + 2] = pixels[i * 4], pixels[i * 4 + 2]
02:50 < exch> if the inner assignment is done first, i'll end with a faulty
swap
02:51 < Ginto8> it would be pixels[i*4],pixels[i*4+2] =
pixels[i*4+2],pixels[i*4]
02:52 < Ginto8> it's x,y = x_assign,y_assign
02:52 < exch> doh, indeed
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04:24 < kmeyer> hey all
04:25 < adu> hi
04:25 < adu> how are you
04:25 < kmeyer> pretty ok :)
04:25 < kmeyer> yourself?
04:25 < kmeyer> anyway, my problem is: I'm getting a panic, but the line
number reported by the runtime isn't in (or near) the function that is triggering
the panic
04:26 < kmeyer> so I'm having some trouble debugging it
04:28 < kmeyer> any ideas?
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05:37 < jessta> kmeyer: that's strange
05:41 < kmeyer> yep :P
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06:17 < jessta> kmeyer: perhaps this might be the problem,
http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=424
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06:19 < kmeyer> huh, possibly
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09:09 < kobkrit> Please show me a code snippet for reading very large UTF8
file.
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09:11 < kanade> see the utf-8 package
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09:14 < wrtp> see the io package
09:14 < wrtp> all strings are in utf8 encoding by default
09:14 < wrtp> so you don't have to do anything special to read utf8
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09:28 < wrtp> kobrit: if you want to read character by character, you can
use bufio.Reader.ReadRune()
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10:23 < kobkrit> wrtp, kanade Thank all
10:23 < kanade> np :)
10:23 < wrtp> np :)
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14:46 < kimelto> morning!
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14:56 < BrowserUk> hi
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14:57 < BrowserUk> I compiled the "chaining" demo from the Rob Pike video,
and it runs fine for -n 1 ..  159, but 160 and up it just hangs.  Any ideas?
15:04 < BrowserUk> And if I change f() to: func f( left, right chan int ) {
var in int = <-right; fmt.Println( in ); left <- 1 + in }
15:04 < BrowserUk> it works upto 154 and hangs at 155.  ?
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15:04 < chressie> BrowserUk: it works fine here..  weird
15:05 < wrtp> BrowserUk: could you paste your exact code somewhere?
15:06 < BrowserUk> wrtp: Sure brb
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15:06 < mk64ftw_> is there any way to use foo from "type foo func(int)
float", to define a function?
15:07 < mk64ftw_> like this http://pastebin.org/236807?
15:08 < engla> mk64ftw_: eww, why define a function without the func keyword
15:08 < wrtp> mk64ftw_: no.  the reason is that the argument names aren't
part of the type of the function, so how would the code inside bar know how to
refer to its arguments?
15:08 < mk64ftw_> engla: because i have a lot of different functions that
will be the same type
15:09 < mk64ftw_> wrtp: thanks
15:09 < mk64ftw_> didn't think about that
15:09 < wrtp> engla: for the same reason that you might want to define a map
without the map keyword :-)
15:09 < BrowserUk> wrtp: Here http://pastebin.com/RbcjEvAe
15:09 < wrtp> engla: (which you can do)
15:09 < engla> I don't think func acts like a type name
15:10 < mk64ftw_> engla: you can use the type declaration i showed for
passing functions around as arguments...
15:10 < jessta> mk64ftw_: why do you want to make your code annoying to
read?
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15:11 < mk64ftw_> jessta: how is not repeating a type declaration multiple
times annoying to read?
15:11 < jessta> yep
15:11 < jessta> you can't do that anyway
15:11 < engla> it has to be very huge for that to be a problem.  better to
be explicit
15:12 < mk64ftw_> <_< right...  they are parser combinators, i will
probably have many
15:13 < jessta> mk64ftw_: just copy/paste
15:13 < taruti> mk64ftw_: why not use structs instead of functions?
15:13 < engla> also, functions implement an interface/function prototype by
implementing that interface, not by using the interface in their definition; the
latter doesn't make sense since you cant "parameterize" the implementation
depending on the content of the function type
15:14 < wrtp> BrowserUk: it works fine for me
15:14 < mk64ftw_> taruti: because i like functions and it was the first
thing I thought of and how i general formulate this problem in my head, coming
from Haskell, i assumed go would have a mechanism for achieving similair things,
so i was just asking
15:14 * BrowserUk is guessing its a "platform thing" :(
15:15 < wrtp> BrowserUk: 1.37s for 100000
15:15 < mk64ftw_> engla: i think what you just said doesn't make sense
15:15 < jessta> mk64ftw_: don't write Haskell in Go
15:15 < wrtp> (i took out the Print)
15:15 < taruti> mk64ftw_: I think structures could be more idiomatic in Go.
15:15 < mk64ftw_> jessta: why not?  if the pattern fits the problem
15:16 < mk64ftw_> taruti: i assumed that might be the case
15:16 < wrtp> i dunno, sometimes it would be nice to be able to write out
function definitions without repeating all their types
15:16 < wrtp> and closures are useful - that's why they're there.
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15:17 < BrowserUk> wrtb: Upto the limit where it hangs, it is very fast.
But then it just blips the cpu and stops.
15:17 < wrtp> i thought it would be nice if you could do: var f SomeFuncType
= func(a, b, c _) _ {....}
15:17 < taruti> mk64ftw_: and even in Haskell it makes sense to have the
parser combinators return data to enable optimization over a pure function
approach
15:17 < wrtp> and have the blank types filled in automatically
15:17 < wrtp> it would only work for direct assignment compatibility
15:18 < jessta> mk64ftw_: if you're going to write haskell in Go then you're
better off just writing in haskell
15:19 < wrtp> jessta: sometimes a functional approach is a good one
15:19 < wrtp> jessta: and there's no reason that go shouldn't support it
well.
15:20 < wrtp> jessta: it's the same kind of issue that makes initialising
two dimensional arrays a pain
15:21 < wrtp> BrowserUk: how many iterations do you get to before it falls
over?
15:26 < BrowserUk> wrtp:Without the print, the breakpoint is 159/160
15:27 < BrowserUk> with the print its 154/155
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15:28 < BrowserUk> And if I remove teh print and make all the channels make(
chan int, 100 ), then it moves to 129/130...which is bewildering.  I just cant
begin to guess where to start looking for the problem.
15:29 < chressie> BrowserUk: have you tried other go versions?
15:32 < wrtp> BrowserUk: what happens if you put some code at the start,
say: go func(){time.Sleep(5*1e9); panic("what's goin' on, man")}()
15:32 < wrtp> and then wait 5 seconds after it hangs.
15:32 < wrtp> i wonder if you get the panic, or if everything has hung up
15:32 < BrowserUk> chressie: No, not yet.
15:33 < wrtp> what arguments are you running the code with?  have you tried
it with -n 500 ?
15:33 < wrtp> oh i see, you're using the windows version of go
15:33 < wrtp> i don't think that's much tested
15:33 < BrowserUk> wrtp: Yes, I've tried a variety of values above teh
breakpoint and it just hangs.
15:34 < wrtp> i'd reported it as an issue
15:34 < wrtp> s/reported/report/
15:34 < BrowserUk> Yeh!  That's what I meant by a platform thing.
15:38 < wrtp> BrowserUk: definitely report it.
15:38 < wrtp> (here: http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/list)
15:39 < BrowserUk> wrtp:Okay.  I was trying to test your panic thing, but
the time package seems to be missing from the distribution I have.
15:44 < BrowserUk> Okay.  I was one version downloevel, so I'm upgrading and
will check before raising a new issue.
15:45 < wrtp> BrowserUk: the windows version of go is still in its nascent
phase
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16:06 < BrowserUk> wrtp: Understood.  But it is improving...the latest build
I downloaded has the time package.
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16:08 < wrtp> BrowserUk: ah, but does your example now work?!
16:08 < BrowserUk> but it still hangs as -n gets higher...
16:09 < BrowserUk> No. The breakpoint changes slightly...but lower 154/155
instead of 159/160...
16:10 < wrtp> does the timed panic do anything?
16:10 < BrowserUk> And if I add the timed panic, It panics so long as -n is
below the breakpoint....but not if it is above....this is a handles/locks/
resources thing isn;t it?
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16:15 < BrowserUk> How do I input a line from the keyboard?  (I just want to
pause the process)
16:16 < Soultaker> that's barely possible
16:16 < Soultaker> I think the best way so far is to do
bufio.NewReader(io.Stdin).ReadSlice('\n')
16:17 < KirkMcDonald> os.Stdin
16:18 < Soultaker> yes, my mistake.
16:18 < Soultaker> (of course, you have to keep the same reader around if
you want to read multiple lines)
16:21 < BrowserUk> Geez!  That et the cat amongst the pidgeons :)
16:24 < BrowserUk> Several hundred lines of panic output.  Take out the
bufio stuff and it goes away.  .............  Just too early I guess.
16:24 < BrowserUk> Anyone intersted in seeing the (first few lines of) the
panic?
16:25 < Soultaker> I'm just a Go user.  I wouldn't know what to do with it.
;)
16:26 < BrowserUk> 'k.  Just thought I'd ask :)
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16:33 < wrtp> BrowserUk: post the whole panic - it would be interesting to
see
16:33 < wrtp> (and the useful lines are usually quite a way down)
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16:40 < BrowserUk> wrtp: http://pastebin.com/dQmihPBG (I used -n 2 which
means that the panic is much shoter, but with higher values the last goroutine N/
goexit bit is just repeated many times)
16:40 < BrowserUk> *shorter
16:42 < BrowserUk> For all teh world it looks like it is going to the OS for
memory and failing...but the ram usage never goes above 4MB.
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16:46 < mk64ftw_> the use of the go makefiles shown on the golang website
seems to expect you to want to install the package in GOROOT, but I just want to
build packages local to my project, I browsed over Make.pkg, I can't decide if I
should roll my own, fiddle with these, or if I am missing something obvious.
Suggestions?
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16:48 < wrtp> BrowserUk: the error is in the go scheduler, it looks like.
it'd be worth raising an issue and posting all that information along with it
16:48 < exch> mk64ftw_: I solve that by adding my own install rule to the
makefile.  Simple have it copy the compiled lib to where ever you need it
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16:49 < mk64ftw_> exch: ah, thank you, good idea
16:50 < exch> http://gist.github.com/401371 like this
16:50 < mk64ftw_> exch: excellent
16:51 < exch> and to use it in your other code, do: import "../lib/foo" ..
or the path to whereever you have it
16:51 < mk64ftw_> exch: works great, exactly what i was looking for, thanks
16:51 < exch> np
16:53 < exch> hmm.  It sure would be great if you could include more than 1
go file in the CGO build list.
16:53 < wrtp> mk64ftw_: i reckon it's worth using absolute paths, and
installing the object files, at least, under $GOROOT, like goinstall does
16:53 < dho_plan9> exch: huh?
16:53 < ni|> hey dho_plan9
16:53 < ni|> logn time no see
16:53 < dho_plan9> hi
16:54 < ni|> running p9 now!?
16:54 < dho_plan9> been busy
16:54 < dho_plan9> exch: CGOFILES can have more than 1 file.
16:54 < dho_plan9> i fixed that months ago
16:54 * dho_plan9 heads out for lunch, brb
16:54 < exch> dho_plan9: any addition go files added to the CGOFILES list
which actually use a C.xxx reference will not be able to resolve that type..  and
if you add another import "C" header to it, cgo fails
16:54 < dho_plan9> since when?
16:55 < exch> since now apparently
16:55 < dho_plan9> Because I made that work a long time ago; that's a
regression.
16:55 < dho_plan9> open an issue, ping me on it
16:55 < exch> unless I am missing something here
17:01 < exch> mm nope.  6g can't find 'foo.cgo1.go'.  I'm assuming it isn't
generated if foo.go has no 'import "C"' call.  When I add that call, I get a mile
of gcc errors
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17:01 < exch> doh
17:02 < exch> nvm.  I was under the impression that I didn't have to add the
//#include <> bits in every file as well
17:04 < BrowserUk> wrtp: OKay.  I'll need to get a gmail id first.  I'll get
to that later today.Many thanks for your time.
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17:13 < exch> oh man, I can't believe i've never figured this out before.
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17:24 < Ender2070> I am going to package Go for Fedora Linux
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17:24 < Tonnerre> Again?
17:24 < Tonnerre> I think there are already 2 packages
17:24 < Ender2070> its been abandoned as far as I can tell using the
trackers
17:25 < Tonnerre> Well, mine certainly isn't abandoned
17:25 < Ender2070> its in Fedora?
17:26 < Tonnerre> http://go-lang.cat-v.o
17:26 < Tonnerre> rg
17:26 < Tonnerre> Ender2070, no, it's not
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17:28 < Ender2070> hmm your right
17:28 < Ender2070> its not in the default repo though
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17:29 < Tonnerre> Of course not, that's why I added it to my repo
17:29 < Ender2070> i also saw this
17:29 < Ender2070> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557366
17:32 < Ender2070> but if someone is already doing it, i'll just use it
instead
17:33 < Tonnerre> Ender2070, see http://go-lang.cat-v.org/
17:34 < Ender2070> i did
17:35 < Ender2070> ill just use those and not worry about packaging it
myself
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19:57 < nocturnal> is it possible to make the regexp package match case
insensitive?
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19:59 < exch> only for alpha characters by using [a-zA-Z]
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20:00 < nocturnal> a character range
20:00 < nocturnal> i guess that's why they call it a simple implementation
20:00 < exch> yup :p
20:00 < nocturnal> thanks =)
20:00 < exch> its got a few things missing
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20:15 < plexdev> http://is.gd/c9bBe by [Robert Griesemer] in go/doc/ -- go
spec: added imaginary literal to semicolon rules (was missing)
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20:43 < manveru> something is strange with rand...
20:44 < manveru> gotta make some stats
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20:45 < manveru> or maybe it's all my fault :)
20:46 < taruti> manveru: are you seeding it correctly?
20:46 < manveru> yeah
20:46 < manveru> i just realized that i was hitting rand much more often
than i should
20:47 < manveru> so naturally i had many more results in my trigger range
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22:47 < plexdev> http://is.gd/c9k0J by [Robert Griesemer] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/go/printer/ -- go/printer (gofmt): don't lose mandatory semicolons
22:47 < plexdev> http://is.gd/c9k0Q by [Robert Griesemer] in
go/src/cmd/gofmt/ -- gofmt: exclude test w/ illegal syntax from test cases
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