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05:26 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cfC64 by [Charles L. Dorian] in
go/src/pkg/math/ -- math: signed zero Sqrt special case
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05:43 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cfD1s by [Charles L. Dorian] in
go/src/pkg/math/ -- math: amd64 versions of fdim, fmax, fmin
05:43 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cfD1z by [Evan Shaw] in go/src/cmd/gc/ -- gc:
Better error when computing remainder of non-int
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06:14 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cfEPV by [Michael Hoisie] in go/src/pkg/bytes/
-- bytes: add Trim, TrimLeft, TrimRight, and generic functions
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06:22 < kmeyer> heh, I/O must be over :)
06:22 < kmeyer> or slow or something
06:31 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cfFIW by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/ -- fix
build - no netchan tests under NaCl
06:31 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cfFJ0 by [Russ Cox] in go/test/ -- fix build -
arm tests
06:32 < drevell> i'm confused by the convention of returning os.Error for
error conditions.  this interface only offers "String()", which doesn't seem
convenient for programatically handling errors.  what am i missing?
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06:35 < kmeyer> it's an interface type
06:35 < kmeyer> if you want a more specific error, you can type switch or
type assert
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06:36 < drevell> how would the caller know which types to try to type
assert?
06:40 < Ginto8> well presumably each package would have specific error types
if it needs to
06:40 < Ginto8> and they could give more specific information
06:41 < drevell> ok, that makes sense.  so a good idiom might be to have
mypackage.MyPackageError which embeds os.Error, and also adds an error code enum
or int or something?
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08:59 < taruti> Is it possible to easily get the "already read" slice of a
bytes.Buffer() ?
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11:55 < jessta> taruti: I think it gets overridden, but I haven't looked at
the code
11:56 < exch> can't you just 'subtract' the size of the unread portion from
the original slice length used to create the buffer?
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11:59 < jessta> exch: the buffer may change size
11:59 < exch> fair enough, then store the original size before starting the
read
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16:53 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cgjYD by [Robert Griesemer] in go/src/pkg/big/
-- big: potential bug fix, cleanups
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17:27 < jwgoerlich> Hello.
17:38 < jwgoerlich> What are some good places to begin with Go and machine
learning / AI?
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17:40 < sladegen> find some machine learning / AI code in C or whatever and
translate it into Go? there is nothing machine learning or AI special in Go...
17:41 < kmeyer> or more likely, in lisp :P
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17:42 < jwgoerlich> Yeah, that makes sense.  I can translate existing
examples from C or Lisp.
17:43 < sladegen> then implement lisp in Go, first...  ;-p
17:43 < jwgoerlich> Right.
17:43 < jwgoerlich> Is there an equivilant of CLiCC for Lisp to GO?
17:45 < sladegen> CLiCC?
17:45 < sladegen> you mean ffi?
17:46 < jwgoerlich> No. I mean a conversion utility.
17:46 < jwgoerlich> There probably is not as Go is relatively new.
17:47 < sladegen> considering Go compiles to native machine code i doubt of
a utility of such thing.
17:47 < kmeyer> Some sort of common lisp to Go compiler?
17:47 < jwgoerlich> Ayup.
17:47 < kmeyer> sladegen: useful for existing bodies of code
17:48 < kmeyer> and go's functionality matches up with lisp much better
than, say, C
17:49 * sladegen sighs.
17:50 < jwgoerlich> k.  I have a reasonable understanding of Lisp, so doing
a conversion from Lisp to Go seems feasible.
17:50 < jwgoerlich> A good way to learn the language, too, come to think of
it.
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18:08 < taruti> solved it by getting .Bytes() before the reads and then
using slices of that
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18:30 < jwgoerlich> Appreciated the help, gents.
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19:49 < madari> I could need some advices on this:
http://pastie.org/private/xxswk9nao2nfp5v9qb4w
19:49 < madari> how would you guys do that?
19:50 < madari> that has several problems, and I'm not confident it follow
the Go-way of doing things
19:52 < Ginto8> well if it's gonna be something in the background
19:52 < madari> yeah sure
19:52 < Ginto8> then do like startFlusher(), which starts flusher (as a
function literal) in a new goroutine
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19:53 < exch> the 'payload[n++] = msg
19:53 < exch> bit is invalid
19:53 < Ginto8> yeah
19:53 < Ginto8> cuz n++ is a statement now
19:54 < Ginto8> not an expression
19:54 < Ginto8> and msg, ok := <-queue will only check it once
19:55 < madari> how come?  O_o
19:55 < Ginto8> correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the range of a
buffered channel only goes over the currently filled part of the buffer
19:55 < Ginto8> madari: because that is only the initialization
19:56 < Ginto8> msg and ok are initialized once, then the loop runs however
long it's supposed to
19:56 < madari> ah
19:56 < madari> I see
19:56 < Ginto8> so you'd do
19:56 < Ginto8> msg := range <-queue
19:56 < madari> ok thanks
19:56 < madari> but I'm looking at the big picture here
19:57 < madari> the first-class problem is that the ConnMaxBuffer amount of
messages is not a hard limit
19:57 < Ginto8> and then add in something like if n >= len(payload) {
break }
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19:57 < Ginto8> it isn't?
19:57 < madari> there can be 2 * that amount of messages "waiting to be
delivered"
19:57 < Ginto8> well then
19:57 < Ginto8> don't buffer the channel
19:59 < madari> see, let's suppose the queue is full and a heartbeat is
received.  the queue is then drained to the msgs so the queue can be filled again.
if the write doesn't immediately succeed, there can be X messages in the queue + Y
messages in the "msgs"
19:59 < wkharold> test
20:00 < madari> my first implementation used mutexes, but I'm on a mission
to get rid of those and my first though was that it would be neat to take
advantage of the buffered channels
20:00 < Ginto8> have a goroutine take all info and store it in a resizeable
slice (a vector.Vector would do nicely), then send the data along as soon as
possible
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20:00 < madari> that's exactly how the current implementation is done :)
20:00 < Ginto8> using a number of goroutines (as closures) is VERY useful in
a situation like this
20:00 < Ginto8> nope
20:01 < Ginto8> it isn't with what you showed
20:01 < madari> ah no
20:01 < Ginto8> what exactly are you trying to have this do?
20:01 < Ginto8> because for me to help I really need to know the purpose
20:02 < madari> this is the current implementation:
http://github.com/madari/go-socket.io/blob/master/src/connection.go#L174
20:03 < madari> the purpose is to have the messages to be persisted (until
some point) if they can't be immediately delivered
20:03 < Ginto8> having the user explicitly start goroutines is definitely
unidiomatic, and using a startX() function would be better
20:04 < Ginto8> ok
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20:04 < Ginto8> also no one will be able to use a lot of those functions
20:04 < Ginto8> they aren't exported
20:04 < madari> that's not the point
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20:05 < Ginto8> oh sorry didn't see the ones that were
20:05 < madari> if you mind reading this
http://github.com/madari/go-socket.io then you can maybe understand what I'm
trying to do :D
20:05 < wrtp> madari: are you basically after an arbitrary sized buffered
channel?
20:06 < Ginto8> that would seem to be it
20:06 < wrtp> madari: if so, you can do it quite nicely (and idiomatically)
without using any locks.
20:07 < madari> wrtp: I didn't quite understand what you meant by arbitrary
sized buffered channel?  :(
20:07 < Ginto8> madari, a channel with a resizeable buffer
20:08 < wrtp> madari: i mean that you want to store all the pending messages
before they're sent
20:08 < madari> yes
20:08 < madari> that's exactly what I want :)
20:08 < wrtp> madari: but usually you don't want to do that, otherwise a
fast sender can fill all of memory
20:08 < madari> wrtp: that's why there's the "hard cap"
20:09 < madari> say, buffer at most 20 messages and then just drop them
20:09 < wrtp> madari: if you've got a hard cap, you might as well just use a
buffered channel
20:09 < madari> so it's not arbitrary in that sense
20:09 < wrtp> madari: which provides exactly that facility
20:09 < madari> wrtp: that's what I thought!  but then I ran into this
problem:
20:09 < madari> 23:01 < madari> see, let's suppose the queue is full
and a heartbeat is received.  the queue is then drained to the msgs so the queue
can be filled again.  if the write doesn't immediately succeed, there can be X
messages in the queue + Y messages in the "msgs"
20:10 < madari> the queue is here - let's say a buffered channel up to 20
messages
20:10 < wrtp> i don't think you need a heatbeat at all
20:10 < wrtp> s/heat/heart/
20:11 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cgx3c by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of go/ --
runtime: allow large map values
20:11 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cgx3g by [Robert Griesemer] in 2 subdirs of
go/test/ -- bug275: cannot apply real() to a complex array element
20:12 < madari> wrtp: I use that mechanism currently tell the "flusher" when
the client reconnects that it should re-try sending now
20:12 < madari> s/tell/to tell/
20:13 < madari> it basically signals that something happened, you should be
able to proceed now
20:13 < madari> it can be either that a) a new message was sent to the queue
b) client re-connected
20:14 < wrtp> you could just have a goroutine constantly trying to send.
something like: func writer(inc chan Msg) {
20:14 < wrtp> for {
20:14 < wrtp> m := <-inc
20:14 < wrtp> for !writemsg(m) {
20:14 < wrtp> time.Sleep(0.001e9)
20:14 < wrtp> }
20:14 < wrtp> }
20:14 < wrtp> }
20:14 < wrtp> inc is the buffered channel
20:15 < madari> that's too expensive if you have 100s of writers going on
20:15 < madari> don't you think?
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20:15 < wrtp> madari: no
20:16 < madari> ah sorry, the second important detail is that it should be
able to deliver the messages in batches :Z sorry if I forgot to mention :(
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20:21 < wrtp> that's easy too
20:21 < madari> does time.Sleep cause the goroutine to be upgrade to an
os-thread?
20:22 < wrtp> not sure
20:22 < madari> syscall.Sleep sure does
20:22 < madari> and that's not cool :/
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20:24 < wrtp> you could use time.Ticker
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20:28 < wrtp> or some other way to make a single sleeper wake up many
threads
20:28 < wrtp> the basic structure remains the same though
20:30 < madari> that would work, but I don't think that's so nice
20:30 < wrtp> why not?
20:30 < madari> because it would cause a lot of overhead
20:31 < wrtp> how do you know?
20:31 < madari> because I can explictly tell when a write should be tried
20:38 < madari> wrtp: Ginto8: I appreciate your help and advices!  Time for
some zzz :) c ya
20:38 < Ginto8> your welcom; anytime
20:41 < wrtp> simple code is good!
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goyacc?
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