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--- Day changed Sun May 23 2010
00:00 < Soultaker> sounds interesting :)
00:00 < Abablabab> thanks, that's the idea, lol
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00:04 < Abablabab> not at all sure how it can be managed without
serialisation lol
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00:15 < Null-A> Abablabab: why not use go?
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00:16 < Abablabab> Null-A: I want to, I dont think it can do what i want
00:16 < Null-A> what can't it do?
00:16 < Abablabab> goroutine serialisation
00:16 < Null-A> you want strict ordering on goroutine execution?
00:17 < Abablabab> nope, portability / saving of running processes
00:17 * Null-A thinking
00:18 < Null-A> You don't want to serialize everything on the stack in a go
routine, that's very inefficient
00:19 < Abablabab> im not sure how else to save a state of a given process
00:19 < Null-A> you execute state machines with idempotent operations
00:20 < Null-A> serialize the state, when you recover, you just execute the
state machine where it last left off (approximately)
00:20 < Abablabab> sounds like a plan, where can i learn about this, hehe
00:20 < Null-A> dunno, try looking at papers by david cheriton
00:20 < Null-A> some courses at stanford on it
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00:22 < Abablabab> thanks a lot, im looking in to it now
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00:22 < Null-A> *nods*
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00:27 < Null-A> Abablabab: this company is using this technique:
http://www.aristanetworks.com/media/system/pdf/EOSWhitepaper.pdf
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00:29 < Abablabab> very interesting
00:29 < Abablabab> im gonna need to get hold of some people much smater than
i am lol
00:30 < Null-A> =)
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00:35 < Abablabab> thanks for pointing me in the right direction Null-A
00:35 < Null-A> Abablabab: glad I could help
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00:51 < emiel_> hmm, it appears obj.Func().Chain(obj.Len()) evaluates
obj.Len() _before_ obj.Func() - is this normal behavior?
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01:03 < jimi_hendrix> has anyone here used gocurses?
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01:05 < jimi_hendrix> because the code won compile
01:06 < Abablabab> sorry jimi, I haven't
01:06 < Abablabab> g'night go'ers (2AM)
01:07 < exch> jimi_hendrix: if it hasn't been updated in a while there are
likely recent changes in the Go compiler/API that breka it.
01:07 < exch> try running it through gofmt first and fix any remaining stuff
manually
01:08 < exch> unfortunately that's one of the disadvantages of building
libraries before a language is finished :)
01:10 < jimi_hendrix> exch, i keep getting: curses.cgo1.go:161: cannot pass
v (type interface { }) as a ...  interface { } (...  mismatch)
01:10 < jimi_hendrix> i mean i will patch it, but i do not know why a
generated file is not compiling
01:11 < emiel_> hmm, when trying to reproduce in a test-case, the chaining
thing obviously does the right thing
01:11 < emiel_> but the code generated in my app is definitely wrong, any
compiler wizards here :)?
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01:12 < exch> jimi_hendrix: sounds like an old issue where the ...  usage
was changed
01:14 < jimi_hendrix> exch, any clue how i can fix this without making my
own port?
01:14 < jimi_hendrix> which i would do, but i bet fixing it takes less time
01:14 < exch> got a link to the sourcefile on github or somewhere?
01:15 < jimi_hendrix> http://github.com/jabb/gocurse
01:15 < exch> k sec
01:16 < exch> the Addstr function's signature should be changed to ' v
...interface{}'
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01:18 < jimi_hendrix> k, i will see if i can contact the maintainer...unless
theres someway to branch his project myself
01:18 < jimi_hendrix> (i am not a github wizard)
01:18 < exch> you can hit the 'fork' button up in the top somewhere
01:19 < jimi_hendrix> ok
01:20 < jimi_hendrix> so what exactly is the output of the make process for
a go module like this?  a .go file?  or a file that got put somewhere in $GOROOT
01:22 < exch> a compiled package (.a file).  If you then rune make install,
it gets copied to the pkg directory in the Go root, so you can do 'import "foo"'
in your code
01:22 < exch> *run
01:23 < jimi_hendrix> i see
01:30 < jimi_hendrix> oh where can i find the .vim file for go?
01:30 < exch> should be somewhere in the docs bit of your go root
01:31 < Abablabab> i think it's under misc?
01:31 < jimi_hendrix> thanks
01:31 < exch> $GOROOT/misc/vim/
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01:34 < jimi_hendrix> i just throw that in ~/.vim/plugin right?  (last
stupid question for the night)
01:37 < exch> dunno.  I don't use vim
01:38 * jimi_hendrix does more googling
01:41 < napsy> it should be in the source tree
01:43 < jimi_hendrix> i got it
01:43 < emiel_> pff, wtf, can someone tell me why this
http://gist.github.com/410556 is not compiling?
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01:48 < exch> possibly because Len() is defined on *Test and not Test.  So
'Test' can not be resolved to Iface.  try using: t.(*Test).a
01:49 < exch> not sure about this, i'd have to try, but i'm guessing this is
the issue
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01:56 < emiel_> ah of course, you are right, the stuff is getting to me by
now :) thanks!
02:00 < napsy> can I quickly determine what type is packaged in the giben
interface?
02:00 < napsy> given*
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02:04 < Soultaker> napsy: if you know what type to expect, then a type
switch is what you're looking for
02:04 < napsy> oh there's a type switch
02:05 < jimi_hendrix> the one thing i hate about go is the curley brace
style
02:05 < Soultaker> I think you should be able to write a parser that parses
Go like Python ;)
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03:31 < exch> Is there any way to update a struct field using reflection?  I
can get the field, change it's value, but the change is not reflected in the
original struct.  There is also no provision to replace an existing struct field
with a new one it seems.
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03:38 < exch> nvm
03:38 < exch> should have used a struct pointer
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06:38 < exch> wahey.  scripting support for my go programs is finally coming
along \o/
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11:35 < napsy> Why doesn't this statement work:
11:35 < napsy> return PrintTree(node.left) + " " + ((p < 0) ?
string(node.value + '0') : string(ops_set[node.p])) + " " + PrintTree(node.right)
11:36 < napsy> I get "drevo.go:18: syntax error: unexpected ?, expecting )
11:36 < exch> Go doesn't have the ?: bit
11:36 < napsy> oh
11:48 < jessta> napsy: and that's horrible
11:48 < jessta> don't do that
11:49 < napsy> I know
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12:23 < BrowserUk> What does error: "t3.go:11 not a function" mean?  The
line of code: "func a( k int, x1, x2, x3, x4, x5 func() int ) int {"
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12:26 < exch> looks like it should be valid
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12:27 < BrowserUk> Sorry, forget it.  The compiler is 8g not 8c....
12:28 < jessta> yeah, 8c is a c compiler
12:34 < BrowserUk> I'm switching back and forth between languages
12:36 < jessta> BrowserUk: what are you making?  that's a lot of funcs
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12:38 < BrowserUk> I went looking for something that would consume a lot of
cpu and remembered Knuth's Man or boy -
http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Man_or_boy_test#Go
12:38 < BrowserUk> UNfortunately, go runs it in teh blink of an eye :)
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12:42 < BrowserUk> Now I'm thinking Ackermann
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ackermann_function
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12:42 < jessta> BrowserUk: can't you just increase k?
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12:50 < BrowserUk> jessta:trouble is k=22 completes in a coupe of seconds;
k=23 pushes me into swapping.
12:50 < BrowserUk> *couple
12:51 < BrowserUk> Ackermann doesn't have the exponential stack growth.
12:51 < jessta> ah, I see
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13:24 < exch> shameless plug: Hows this for an obscure scripting language :)
I wrote the compiler/runtime in Go. This particular script is the first plugin for
an irc bot.  http://github.com/jteeuwen/calculon/blob/master/modules/modAdmin.tsc
13:25 < exch> runtime/compiler package:
http://github.com/jteeuwen/Tinyscript And more example scripts in the doc/scripts
folder
13:25 < exch> Note that if you hate RPN code, it's polly best to stay far
away from it ;) It's syntax borrows heavily from postscript
13:26 < exch> it has an easy to use runtime interface.  Allows binding of go
functions.  so you can call go code form within a script.  And vice versa.  It can
execute an entire script, or individual routines independantly
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13:29 < jimi_hendrix> is there a way to convert an int to an int16
13:30 < exch> int16(1234) should do the trick.  You'll lose data if your
int's value is larger than what int16 can hold of course
13:33 < jimi_hendrix> shouldnt be a problem
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13:37 < emiel_> hmm, when range'ing over a map, is the order guaranteed to
be the insert-order?  if yes, is there a way to iterate reversely?
13:39 < jessta> emiel_: maps aren't ordered
13:39 < jessta> atleast you shouldn't relie on any order
13:42 < emiel_> ok, so the only way to accomplish this (i really need the
map and the order) is to also keep track of the items in a slice, which has to be
implemented with growing magic?
13:42 < jessta> emiel_: keep track of the keys
13:43 < emiel_> yes, exactly
13:43 < jessta> in a vector
13:43 < emiel_> but a map auto-grows, as i understood
13:43 < emiel_> ahh
13:43 < emiel_> vector
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14:05 < jessta> exch: oh, so you're jteeuwen?
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14:08 < exch> yes
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14:08 * exch tries to implement the Man or Boy thing in his script lang
14:08 < exch> Keeping track of the stack in my head with that confuses my
brain O_o
14:09 < jimi_hendrix> man or boy thing?
14:10 < exch> http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Man_or_boy_test#Go
14:11 < jessta> exch: feed.go:94 in go-pkg-rss should be ioutil.ReadAll
14:11 < exch> ah you are the guy that forked to project?  :)
14:11 < exch> i'll fix it
14:11 < jessta> yeah
14:11 < exch> think i'll go through the rest of my packages to update em
14:12 < jessta> it also doesn't seem to work very well with goinstall
14:12 < BrowserUk> exch: Don't feel bad about being confused by the Man&boy
thing.  Even Knuth conjectured the result worngly.
14:14 < exch> hehe fair enough.  I think the fact that my script has no
routine-local variables makes it even more difficult.  I need to keep everything
on the stack and juggle it around in my head
14:14 < BrowserUk> The only way to get the result (a result) of a goroutine
as to pass it back through a channel?
14:14 < Namegduf> Yes.
14:15 * BrowserUk wouldn't even try: I never could deal with RPN.
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14:23 < jimi_hendrix> odd, in gocurses, the guy defines an init() for a
bunch of the variables, but it is never called in his API nor is it exported
14:24 < exch> init() is called automatically by the go runtime
14:25 < exch> you can have as many of em as you want in a single source file
and all over your app.  Usually handy to initialize stuff before anything else is
run
14:25 < jimi_hendrix> oh i see
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14:38 < yebyen> exch: you can define init as many times as you want?
14:38 < yebyen> thats neat
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14:41 < jimi_hendrix> exch, the vars he sets though are still defined to
their default value though...
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14:44 < exch> you can check if the init()'s are being run by putting a
println() in there
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14:54 * BrowserUk is looking for a neat idiom to easily convert return f( f(n,m),
f(p,q) ) such that the inner two recursions run in parallel.  var c1, c2 chan; go
f(n,m,c1); go f(p,q,c2); f( <-c1, <-c2, c ); ...  var c chan; go f( a, b );
result <-c; seems a bit clumsy?
14:54 < BrowserUk> *go f(a,b,c)
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15:03 < jimi_hendrix> ya its getting called exch
15:04 < jimi_hendrix> can i Printf a nil?
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15:06 < jessta> BrowserUk: you can wrap f() in a func() that creates the
channel and the go routine and then returns
15:06 < jessta> so you don't have to modifiy f()
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15:08 < BrowserUk> jessta: yes, I sort of getting there...I'll paste what
I'm looking at.........
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15:09 < BrowserUk> http://pastebin.com/8zkBZ1eQ
15:09 < BrowserUk> S;only pseudo code.
15:11 < BrowserUk> To really work, it should immediately return a func(),
that closes over the internal channel and retrieves the result....and I'm still
baffled by how to implement generics in go
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15:14 < BrowserUk> Something more like http://pastebin.com/A93y3eCj
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15:15 < BrowserUk> Needs (lotsa) work.  May not even be possible?
15:15 < jessta> BrowserUk: generics, you use interface{} and check the type
at runtime
15:17 < madari> BrowserUk: also you can drop all those ';':s
15:19 < jessta> BrowserUk: what is that code for?
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15:43 < BrowserUk> madari: That'll take me a while to get used to.  I use
serveral other languages regularly (and much more frequently than go) that require
them.  Typing them is as automatic as CR.
15:48 < BrowserUk> jessta: Still trying to inline go routines/emulate
promises http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promise_(programming)
15:50 < BrowserUk> I guess if the wrapper returned the channel, I could get
to f( <-af( f ), af( f ) ); ?
15:50 < BrowserUk> f( <-af( f ), <-af( f ) ); ?
15:51 < BrowserUk> f( <-af( f, m, n ), <-af( f, p, q ) ); ?
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16:01 < BrowserUk> jessta: Does that make any sense (to you)?
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16:21 < BrowserUk> Does go do varargs?
16:22 < Soultaker> yes.
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16:40 < emiel_> just look at Printf :)
16:42 < BrowserUk> I'd been looking right past the section "Passing
arguments to ...  parameters"...which didn't scream varargs at me.
16:44 < BrowserUk> Shame there's no example of the body of a var args call
in there...I guess you're meant to stumble around i the sources to find exaples.
16:44 < BrowserUk> *examples
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16:44 < Soultaker> it's fairly intuitive, though there are two different
mechanisms right now
16:45 < taruti> Which signal did Go want to print a stack trace?
16:45 < taruti> I am having a busy-loop before main and wondering how to
debug that
16:46 < Soultaker> this is a short example from some code I wrote:
http://pastie.org/973474
16:46 < Soultaker> (re: varargs)
16:46 < Soultaker> taruti: you can just break in gdb and obtain a fairly
usable backtrace
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16:48 < taruti> Soultaker: not really :(
16:48 < taruti> 0x00000000004442e8 in ??  ()
16:48 < Soultaker> that's the only thing?
16:48 < taruti> etc is what gdb produces for me
16:48 < Soultaker> hmm, then I don't know, sorry.
16:48 < Soultaker> maybe you need to switch to a different thread?
16:49 < Soultaker> or are you running with a single thread?
16:49 < taruti> http://pastebin.com/Zbx9MbQg
16:49 < taruti> that is before main
16:50 < taruti> so it should be single-threaded
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16:52 < BrowserUk> Soultaker: Many thanks.  (Could you paste the definition
of Scanner.)
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16:53 < taruti> ah, 6prof worked.
16:53 < Soultaker> if you want the complete code, download my CodeJam
submissions from here:
http://code.google.com/codejam/contest/scoreboard?c=635101#sp=201
16:53 < Soultaker> (that's what I wrote the scanner for, because byte buffer
I/O is annoying)
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17:03 < BrowserUk> Soultaker: Thanks.
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18:20 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cm47B by [Nigel Tao] in go/src/pkg/image/ --
When making images, allocate one big buffer instead of many small ones.
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18:37 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cm560 by [Evan Shaw] in go/doc/ -- spec: Fix a
code tag
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18:42 < BrowserUk> Can I define a func that takes *any* func as an argument?
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19:11 < madari> BrowserUk: yeah, I find my self occasionally also writing
those ;, but then again I usually run gofmt -w *.go often which takes care of
those habits
19:12 < madari> BrowserUk: but anyway, it's ones personal preference to use
them or not - I'm not here to judge
19:13 < BrowserUk> Why does the second block of code in main produce no
output?  http://pastie.org/973634
19:17 < madari> you surely need to initialize the channel?  var c chan
uint64
19:17 < madari> c := make(chan uint64)
19:17 < BrowserUk> madari: When I start sharing my code with others, I'll
use gofmt; till then, the ;s don't bother me.
19:18 < madari> I understand
19:18 < BrowserUk> madari: Thankyou!
19:18 < madari> np, it worked?
19:18 < madari> btw, when I compiled your program, it threw a nice panic
that pointed that out
19:19 < madari> (6g)
19:19 < madari> s/compiled/ran/
19:20 < BrowserUk> Yes it works, and no *g on win doesn't make(aSqueak) :)
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19:20 < madari> ok
19:21 < BrowserUk> It's running a little behind the *nix versions in several
areas.
19:21 < madari> yeah that's what I've heard
19:22 < BrowserUk> Not that it quite does what I want it to...but that's
just (more) user error.
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22:02 < BrowserUk> With func any( args ...  interface {} ) { for arg :=
range args { switch ...  I get "cannot type switch on non-interface value arg
(type int)"; with func any( args ...  interface {} ) { for i, arg := range args {
switch ...  I get " i declared and not used"; I have to add func any( args ...
interface {} ) { for i, arg := range args { i++; switch ...  ; Is there a better
way to bypass the unused i, if I'm not using it?
22:03 < BrowserUk> .
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22:04 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cmgua by [Evan Shaw] in go/misc/kate/ -- kate:
convert isn't a built in function
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22:34 < jessta> BrowserUk: for _,arg :=range args{
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22:49 < BrowserUk> thanks jessta.
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