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00:40 < BrowserUk> Are there any developers currently making commits to the
Win32 port of go?
00:44 < uriel> BrowserUk: yes, just check the commit logs
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00:51 < BrowserUk> Hm. I see http://golang.org/doc/devel/release.html two
minor fixes for the previous release and none at all for last weeks.  Am I looking
in the wrong place?
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01:11 < Eko> are you seeing the 2010-05-27 release?  lol
01:11 < kmeyer> the devs have been pretty busy the last few weeks with I/O
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02:14 < Eko> anyone know off-hand what happens if you fmt.Sprintf("%03d",
1000)?
02:19 < ender2070> a syntax error?
02:25 < Eko> ender2070: how so?
02:32 < aho> <aho> ~sysout String.format("%03d", 99)
02:32 < aho> <Suzy> 099
02:32 < aho> <aho> ~sysout String.format("%03d", 1000)
02:32 < aho> <Suzy> 1000
02:32 < aho> this is java...  guess it's the same deal with go's fmt
02:45 < Eko> that's kinda what I figured.  Thanks =D
02:46 < Eko> though I've decided not to let my program keep searching if it
tries all logs .001 to .999, lol
02:46 < Eko> just in case there's some sort of error.
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02:48 < pmyshkin> it's weird that all the number conversion stuff is defined
for strings, like strconv.Atof, but there aren't conversion functions for []byte
02:49 < pmyshkin> even though all the characters that go into representing
numbers fit into bytes
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02:54 < pmyshkin> apparently you can't have array elements on the lhs of
multi-value := assignments, even though the compiler can probably figure out that
the array has already been allocated and it should just assign it a value instead
of declaring it
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03:06 < waterwalker> if you mean something like "a[0], ok := 1, true", then
no, you can't
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03:12 < pmyshkin> waterwalker, that's what I mean
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03:36 < Eko> pmyshkin: I think that's because, despite the similarity in how
we seem to want to use it, := is supposed to be very different from =… it's
supposed to be an initializer, not assignment
03:37 < Eko> if you read the documentation, it says it "reinitializes" any
variables that are already initialized in the identical scope, it does not say
it's an assignment
03:38 < pmyshkin> Eko: from the spec: "Redeclaration does not introduce a
new variable; it just assigns a new value to the original."
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04:33 < Eko> hmm.
04:34 < Eko> pmyshkin: yeah.  But redeclaration is the intention of the :=
call, and you can't redeclare a[0]
04:34 < Eko> because a[0] isn't a variable.
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05:52 < BrowserUk> The arg to time.Format() can be one of several predefined
format constants, but I can't see any explanation of what else it could be?
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06:19 < waterwalker> BrowserUk: you can give your own format string, as long
as you use the same numbers, months etc.  that are used in time package
06:20 < waterwalker> e.g.  time.Format("Jan 15:04 Monday 02") should be fine
06:21 < waterwalker> if not really sensible :)
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06:54 < BrowserUk> waterwalker: I still didn't get that until I found this
comment "(Think of it as 01/02 03:04:05PM '06 -0700.)" hidden in the block at the
top of time/format.go I'm still not sure if that's clever or perverse, but it does
make sense no.  (Maybe that comment shoudl be added to the package docs.)
06:54 < BrowserUk> *now
06:57 < waterwalker> yea, it took me a while to get, too
06:57 < waterwalker> and I guess I didn't explain it too clearly, either :)
07:15 < BrowserUk> waterwalker: You got me part way there, but if like me
you come from a world of %h %m %d %Z etc.  then it's neither easy to grasp
initially, not describe.  Seeing the 01 02 03 ...  sequence made the penny drop
for me.
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10:51 < uriel> 'JIT wrapper generator' HAHAHA
10:51 < uriel> (russ is certainly awesome)
10:51 < taruti> wtf?
10:57 < uriel> see the go mailinstlist ;)
10:57 < mpl> s/generator/generation/
10:59 < uriel> sorry :)
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13:13 < taruti> uriel: do you think it would make sense to port the cat-v
go-libraries page to go-wiki?
13:14 < taruti> the dashboard is too uninformative
13:15 < uriel> taruti: there are plans for that...
13:15 < taruti> uriel: is anyone doing it or should I take a stab at it?
13:15 < uriel> actually I'm planning a kind of merge between the dashboard
and the cat-v.org packages pages
13:16 < uriel> so package authors themselves can add and update packages
13:16 < taruti> uriel: that sounds good.
13:17 < taruti> mostly I am wishing for something like categories "give me
all UI-packages with one line descriptions"
13:17 < uriel> I'm reluctant to move to a wiki because wiki's tend to become
a mess when more than one person is maintaining them
13:17 < uriel> yea, should have something like tags or categories
13:17 < uriel> (I'm not a big fan of tags, but geting right a category
system seems to be close to impossible)
13:18 < taruti> hmm, the go-wiki cannot be edited by simply having a Google
account
13:18 < uriel> maybe will have a fixed set of tags, instead of user
generated tags, so basically it would be like categories but a package could
belong to multiple ones
13:19 < uriel> yea, I know, but still, when it comes to organizing things in
categories and so on, everyone makes slightly different judgements, and things end
up a bit of a mess, or at least that is my experience
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13:20 < taruti> uriel: if you look at the Haskell solution
(http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/pkg-list.html ) it works quite well
with package-author defined tags.
13:20 < uriel> taruti: ah, no, I haven't looked at that, let me see
13:20 < taruti> they have package description files that are used for
building and providing meta-information on the hackage site.
13:22 < taruti> and since package authors wish their projects to be
"relevant" they tend to migrate towards a quite nice set of tags (yes, there are
some superfluous ones, but it is not terrible)
13:23 < uriel> it is interesting...
13:25 < taruti> and they have got "installing packages" right which
goinstall does not get right (since it refuses to use Makefiles for remote
packages anything nontrivial (cgo,platform dependent,...) breaks)
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13:25 < uriel> well, I really don't want to get involved with that
13:26 < uriel> I do like goinstall although I agree it has some issues, but
I don't think I'm qualified to adress them
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13:26 < uriel> (I do have a solution in mind for one of the issues with
goinstall, but we will see how well it works out)
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13:28 < taruti> uriel: consentrating on getting the web interface working
would be a very nice step.
13:28 < taruti> if you need some help feel free to bug me
13:31 < uriel> thanks, I hope I can sit down to hack on it soon
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13:31 < uriel> maybe earlier this week
13:31 < taruti> ok :)
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17:32 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cvRYc by [Andrew Gerrand] in go/doc/ --
doc/code: example package with tests
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18:27 < uriel> yay!  we have reached 100 votes for Go on App Engine:
http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=2382
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20:31 < pmyshkin> I'm having trouble building the release on darwin amd64,
due to htt.TestClient failing
20:32 < pmyshkin> http.TestClient
20:32 < pmyshkin> it says "Get http://www.google.com/robots.txt: dial tcp
www.google.com:http: lookup www.google.com.  on 141.212.2.81:53: no answer from
server"
20:33 < pmyshkin> nevermind, I see the answer in the common problems page,
sorry
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21:16 < plavcik> exist man pages?  how I can install these?
21:19 < pmyshkin> plavcik, godoc is almost equivalent to man
21:20 < pmyshkin> godoc fmt Println | less
21:21 < jessta> plavcik: no, I don't think there are any man pages
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22:33 < plavcik> pmyshkin, jessta: thx for responses, godoc is mostly
reporting URL to man page on web, it will be nice, to have man pages instead
(exist some wish list / TODO?)
22:36 < uriel> plavcik: godoc can run as a web server
22:37 < uriel> (it can also print the docs to stdout, just check the godoc
docs)
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22:42 < plavcik> I don't have docs in src/pkg, so that command is not
returning me any further reading, but will check godoc more, anyway I like working
witj man pages, especially, when I'm starting with something new, like Go
22:46 < uriel> plavcik: have you looked at this:
http://golang.org/cmd/godoc/ ?
22:46 < uriel> and I have no clue what you mean by 'I don't have docs in
src/pkg', either you have the Go distribution and source, or you don't
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22:48 < plavcik> 2010/05/31 00:51:00 parser.parseDir: open
/Users/navratil/go/src/pkg/doc: no such file or directory
22:49 < plavcik> similar for godoc docs
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22:50 < plavcik> uriel: I installed Go via hg and ./all.bash
22:50 < uriel> I don't see how that matters
22:50 < uriel> you seem to have things misconfigured
22:50 < uriel> where did you install Go?
22:51 < plavcik> http://golang.org/cmd/godoc/ is good reading
22:52 < plavcik> GOROOT=/Users/navratil/go
22:54 < uriel> well, that is because there is no doc or docs package
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22:55 < plavcik> yes, I just replied to your recoomendation to use godoc
docs
22:56 < plavcik> so nothing to be solved there, I just need to add +1 on
wish list for man pages ;)
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22:57 < uriel> I think there is an issue in the tracker about it
22:58 < uriel> btw, I also like man pages
22:59 < plavcik> thx, I will search for that ticket
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