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00:37 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cxvJo by [Nigel Tao] in go/src/pkg/gob/ -- Fix
typo in gob docs.  They were introduced in revision 3199778baf
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06:18 < pmyshkin> what's the simplest way to read from stdin on a
line-by-line basis?
06:24 < Eko> pmyshkin: bufio.NewReader(os.Stdin);
06:24 < pmyshkin> Eko: thanks, forgot about bufio
06:24 < Eko> it's a life-saver =D
06:27 < InaVegt> Eko, isn't the semicolon poor style in Go?
06:27 < pmyshkin> I wonder if ReadString('\n') is any more efficient than
just unbuffered single byte reads and checking for '\n' every time
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06:28 < Eko> InaVegt: I was contemplating including the for loop to read
from stdin inline, but decided against it and went back and deleted the variable I
was assigning to and didn't bother removing the semicolon.  But yes.
06:29 < InaVegt> Just making sure, I'm trying to learn a new language, and
all its conventions.
06:29 < Eko> pmyshkin: I believe that it is.  I am fairly sure that it reads
in chunks and searches for '\n' and slices the chunk to you.
06:30 < pmyshkin> okay, that makes sense
06:30 < Eko> and, of course, reuses the chunk memory on subsequent reads.
06:31 < Eko> actually, that it may not, because it would invalidate previous
slices.  *shrug*
06:34 < pmyshkin> Soultaker is right, I find having to constantly check if
err != nil to be very annoying
06:35 < pmyshkin> I would much rather specify that within a block, if any
function call returns an error, do something
06:36 < jessta> pmyshkin: you can wrap it up in a function
06:36 < pmyshkin> jessta: can you be more specific?
06:39 < InaVegt> Woo, just implemented my first non-tutorial Go program.  (A
program that takes material from standard input on a line by line basis, and
returns it at standard input on every newline...  with a blank line terminating
the program.)
06:40 < jessta> pmyshkin: you write a chkerr() function
06:41 < jessta> I saw an example a while ago, something like func
chkerr(a...interface{})
06:41 < pmyshkin> jessta: but that can't return from the frame I called it
in
06:41 < Eko> I've even gone so far as to make an e0(os.Error),
ei(int,os.Error) int, es(string,os.Error) string, that completely wrap the
function call including assignment
06:42 < Eko> pmyshkin: my general rule is this: if you want to handle the
error, do it right, if not, use a utility function and bomb out.
06:43 < Eko> combined with a coding mentality that if something can be
reusable and probably will be reused, put it in its own function, this makes my
code compact and I don't usually have to handle error conditions in higher-level
code.
06:43 < Eko> ymmv.  though I do agree that it's tiresome.
06:44 < jessta> error handling is always tiresome
06:44 < Eko> lol, true that.
06:44 < pmyshkin> I kind of like how python does it
06:44 < jessta> some languages just make it easier not to handle an error
06:45 < pmyshkin> yeah, exactly
06:45 < Eko> which breeds error-prone code.
06:45 < pmyshkin> good enough for non-production throwaway code
06:45 < Eko> I get twitchy when running python apps unless I really trust
the developer because I seem to be magically inclined to doing exactly the
opposite of what the developer expected
06:45 < Eko> and boom.
06:46 < Eko> pmyshkin: then use the wrapper-crash hacks ;)
06:46 < pmyshkin> ?
06:46 < jessta> pmyshkin: you might notice that in python exception handling
you usually can't actually tell which call in a try block actually caused the
exception to be thrown
06:47 < pmyshkin> jessta: I know, I'm just lazy and let it panic out
06:47 < jessta> pmyshkin: you can ignore the returned errors in go
06:48 < jessta> a,_ = somefunction()
06:48 < pmyshkin> I still want the program to stop
06:48 < jessta> eventually you'll hit something that will panic
06:48 < pmyshkin> I guess I can always just call panic()
06:49 < jessta> like if you read from a file that didn't open, it will panic
because the file will be nil
06:49 < pmyshkin> but I still have to do the if err != nil
06:50 < pmyshkin> I guess I can write a PanicOnError(os.Error)
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06:50 < pmyshkin> if err != nil { panic(err.String()) }
06:56 < Eko> pmyshkin: that's the long or short of it, yep.
06:57 < Eko> I'm working on an Eclipse plugin for Go, so maybe if it gets
mature enough it'll be able to auto-generate stuff for us =)
06:58 < pmyshkin> boo to eclipse
06:58 < Eko> I'm a vim user at heart, but I need something to do with my
hands.
06:58 < pmyshkin> I like to believe that Rob Pike intended go to be written
in acme
06:59 < jessta> I write go in acme
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07:00 < Eko> and I write go in vim ;)
07:00 < Eko> but if you want it to be a widespread language, you can't
expect everyone to use go or acme.
07:00 < Eko> vim, even.
07:01 < jessta> but eclipse is horrible even for coding in java
07:02 < pmyshkin> I feel like go was designed to be terse and readable
without syntax highlighting
07:02 < Eko> oh?  just out of curiosity, how long has it been since you used
it?
07:02 < Eko> because before eclipse 3.3 or 3.4, it pretty much sucked
07:03 < pmyshkin> eclipse is necessary because java code tends to be so
verbose that you need auto completion to not go insane
07:03 < Eko> but, for instance, code completion on 3.5 beats out MSVC++ on
numerous benchmarks, and that's held as being the industry standard for code
completion efficiency.
07:03 < Eko> pmyshkin: I find it really nice for C++ as well
07:03 < pmyshkin> Eko: it seems to me like auto-completion encourages
programmers to write ridiculously long function names
07:04 < pmyshkin> and also to program by browsing
07:04 < Eko> *shrug*
07:05 < jessta> Eko: it was quite a while ago..2008, the editor kept telling
me there was syntax errors in my code...when there wasn't
07:05 < Eko> jessta: yeah, then I have to ask you to hold off making
comments about Eclipse until you use it again ;)
07:05 < Eko> I was in the same boat before I used it at work… and it really,
really shocked me how much it had improved.
07:06 < Eko> nothing will ever replace vim and the command line as my
favorite development environment of choice, but in terms of IDEs I think it's my
favorite all-around one.
07:07 < Eko> quick question: does Go care if you have your main() in package
Main instead of main?
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07:08 < jessta> Eko: I believe so
07:08 < jessta> packages tend to be lowercase
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07:09 < ThunderChicken> jessta, yah, I feel crippled in eclipse.
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07:10 < ThunderChicken> Eko, there's a vi(m) plugin for netbeans that gives
you a reasonable editor.
07:11 < ThunderChicken> I haven't looked to see if there's any golang
support in netbeans yet, though.
07:11 < Eko> ThunderChicken: if I want a reasonable *editor* I use (g)vim,
if I want a reasonable IDE, I'd have to pick Eclipse over NetBeans, especially if
I wanted to write a plugin for it.
07:12 < Eko> netbeans and eclipse both have suitable Make project support.
07:12 < Eko> but it wouldn't have any idea about go itself.
07:15 < ThunderChicken> Yet.
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07:16 < Eko> I should also mention that there are numerous ways to run
eclipse with vim too.
07:18 < ThunderChicken> Doesn't fix the basic wrong-headedness of how you
set up a project in Eclipse, though.  :(
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12:54 < jnwhiteh> If a function needs to return an *io.PipeReader and I have
an io.ReadCloser, is there any way for me to do that without using a type
assertion reader.(*io.PipeReader)?
12:57 < jessta> jnwhiteh: you'd probably want something like
&reader.(io.PipeReader)
12:57 < jnwhiteh> are those runtime checks, or are they verified at compile
time?
12:57 < jessta> run time
12:57 < jnwhiteh> cannot take the address of reader.(io.PipeReader)
12:58 < jnwhiteh> bah, I'll have to sort out why I can't catch it at compile
time
12:58 < jnwhiteh> since io.PipeReader satisfies the io.ReadCloser interface,
afaik
12:58 < jessta> you can
12:59 < jessta> if it satisfies the interface you can just return it
12:59 < jessta> and it will get wrapped
12:59 < jnwhiteh> hrm, that's not happening, but I'll look again.
13:00 < jnwhiteh> cannot use &reader (type *io.ReadCloser) as type
*io.PipeReader in return argument
13:03 < jessta> ummm...yeah I guess that wouldn't work
13:03 < jessta> why do you need a pointer to an interface?
13:03 < jnwhiteh> my types may be all screwed up
13:04 < jnwhiteh> I'm still not quite sure when I need a pointer and when I
don't
13:04 < jessta> jnwhiteh:
http://research.swtch.com/2009/12/go-data-structures-interfaces.html
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13:04 < jessta> you need to read that
13:04 < jessta> it will make things much clearer
13:04 < jnwhiteh> I have, but it was quite some time ago, so I'll definitely
review.  Thank you for the help!
13:05 < jnwhiteh> couldn't find the link to it in my rss reader :P
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13:08 < jnwhiteh> jessta: Ah now I recall, because I may need to return nil,
and nil doesn't satisfy the interface.
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13:09 < jessta> nil does
13:09 < jnwhiteh> cannot use nil as io.PipeWriter
13:09 < jnwhiteh> is the error the compiler gives me
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13:11 < jnwhiteh> jessta: http://golang.pastey.net/137148 is the code, and
I'm getting the error I pasted above
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13:15 < jessta> jnwhiteh: oh, sorry Pipewriter isn't an interface
13:15 < jnwhiteh> oh gosh, you're right
13:15 < jnwhiteh> makes complete sense
13:15 < jessta> so you have to do the type assertion
13:16 < jnwhiteh> I may just back down to using io.ReadCloser and
io.WriteCloser instead of PipeWriter/Reader
13:16 < jnwhiteh> since they'll satisfy those interfaces.
13:17 < jnwhiteh> Thanks for helping me sort that out, sorry for the noise
:P
13:19 < jessta> nah, it's great.  I learnt something
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13:47 < b-man|laptop> hmm, i seem to be having issues with bison while
building go from the mercurial sources; when ever it tries to generate y.tab.h
from cc.y, i keep getting a "conflicts: 3 shift/reduce" error.  does anyone know a
workaround/fix for tis issue?
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13:56 < jessta> b-man|laptop: that sounds like a bug
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13:57 < jessta> have you pulled the lastest version?
13:57 < b-man|laptop> yes
13:58 < b-man|laptop> i tried adding %expect 3 to the file, but it still
fails to generate y.tab.h
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14:28 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cyfTl by [Joe Poirier] in go/doc/codelab/wiki/
-- edit simple typos
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15:00 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cyii8 by [Andrew Gerrand] in go/doc/ --
doc/code.html: fix error string format
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16:22 < raysl> I'm having issues installing
http://github.com/jteeuwen/go-pkg-xmlx and go-pkg-rss with goinstall
16:23 < raysl> goinstall github.com/jteeuwen/go-pkg-xmlx
16:23 < raysl> goinstall: github.com/jteeuwen/go-pkg-xmlx: package has no
files
16:23 < raysl> I'm new to Go, so I'm sure Im doing something wrong, but the
lack of docs has me scratching my head
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16:27 < jessta> raysl: yeah, they aren't proper goinstall packages
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16:28 < jessta> goinstall expects the source files to be in the directory
you pass to it
16:28 < raysl> jessta: ah ok, so if I move the files down from src into the
root it should work?
16:28 < jessta> you might want to try: goinstall
github.com/jteeuwen/go-pkg-xmlx/src/
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16:29 < jessta> but they are still a bit messy because the packages aren't
named the same as the directories
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16:29 < raysl> ugh true
16:29 < raysl> any better feedparsing libraries in existance?
16:30 < raysl> this is the one that came up when I did a search
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16:30 < jessta> they are good libraries except for that issue
16:30 < jessta> and that's because they were created before goinstall
existed
16:31 < raysl> ahh makes sense
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16:40 < raysl> jessta: you can't referce /src for the path because git will
still get from the root
16:41 < raysl> what woudl be the best way to install and refernce these?
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16:41 < InaVegt> Download and build them manually, then copy the .a file to
the library folder?
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17:04 < mpl> what's the function to search for a substring in a string?
kindof like Tokenize but not limited to go source code.
17:06 < jessta> mpl: strings.Index(s,sep string)
17:07 < mpl> jessta: cheers
17:08 < mpl> bleh, I couldn't even find the strings package before.  there's
something I don't like with the godoc but I can't put my finger on it yet...
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18:28 < _jt> hey cw :)
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19:03 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cyyU3 by [Ian Lance Taylor] in go/ -- Add Vinu
Rajashekhar <vinutheraj@gmail.com> as a contributor.
19:03 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cyyU6 by [Vinu Rajashekhar] in
go/src/pkg/os/signal/ -- Correct the regexp for finding unix signal names.
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20:22 < mpl> when using range on a chan in a for, is the effect to block on
the chan and advance in the for everytime something is received on the chan?
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20:24 < taruti> mpl: yes
20:24 < mpl> taruti: ok, cheers.
20:25 < jessta> mpl: until the chan is closed
20:25 < mpl> right.  cool idiom.
20:26 < taruti> func foobar() { initialization; defer cleanup(); for val :=
range channel { actions; } }
20:27 < mpl> yep.
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21:20 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cyHnx by [Evan Shaw] in go/src/pkg/runtime/ --
runtime: Fix printing -Inf
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21:37 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cyIkW by [Michael Hoisie] in
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updating a git repo.
21:37 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cyIl0 by [Robert Griesemer] in go/src/pkg/big/
-- big: bug fix for Quo aliasing problem
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21:53 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cyJjC by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/gc/ -- gc:
fix export of complex types
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22:25 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cyLne by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/fmt/ --
fmt.Scan: renamings, strings, errors
22:25 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cyLnj by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/fmt/ --
fmt.Scan: renamings, strings, errors
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22:28 < pmyshkin> when I'm using ForkExec, I should be able to pass the same
*File pointer to both stdout and stderr and expect to read both types of output
with the same *File on the other end of the Pipe, right?
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