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00:40 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cCZDJ by [Nigel Tao] in go/src/pkg/exp/draw/
-- Fixes issue 836.
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00:57 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cD0wf by [Nigel Tao] in
go/src/pkg/html/testdata/webkit/ -- HTML5 parser test data from WebKit.
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01:40 < jokerwww> can anyone tell me if there is someway to do this:
http://pastebin.com/akgRDqKg ?
01:41 < smw> jokerwww, what are you doing?
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01:42 < smw> ah
01:42 < smw> the answer is no
01:43 < jokerwww> smw: so if the function took a interface that both structs
implemented it would work, but if it expects a struct it has to receive that exact
type.  is that correct?
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01:44 < jokerwww> I tried using a cast, but I couldn
01:44 < jokerwww> couldnt even cast b to a
01:44 < smw> jokerwww, I believe the conversion does not work
01:44 < smw> I could be wrong
01:45 < jokerwww> smw: ok, thks I guess I'll have to rethink my approach
01:45 < smw> I suggest testing it
01:45 < smw> you already have the code
01:45 < jokerwww> I tested a conversion but it didn't work.
01:46 < jokerwww> if anyone has an idea of anything else that's worth a try,
I would be glad to test it
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01:46 < KirkMcDonald> You could say foo(bb.a)
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01:47 < jokerwww> KirkMcDonald: perfect!  thanks, I tought there must be a
way.  thank you very much!
01:48 < Ginto8> embedded types can always be refered to by the name of the
type as members of the struct they're embedded in
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01:50 < jokerwww> Ginto8: I assume this was a deliberate choice on the part
of the language designers.  do you know why?
01:50 < jokerwww> could you point me to some related reading?
01:50 < Ginto8> well the golang website is always a good place to look
01:50 < Ginto8> but as to why they chose it, I have some ideas
01:51 < Ginto8> all typing has to be made explicitly, so to prevent the
confusion of such implicit type passing
01:51 < Ginto8> they made it that way
01:52 < Ginto8> embedding types brings in data and methods, but for
functions taking that embedded type, having any struct that embeds it be able to
be passed would create, as I said, implicit type conversions
01:53 < Ginto8> which the language shies away from, with very good reason
01:54 < jokerwww> Ginto8: yes, I have read about the issues which lead to
chose to not have implicit type conversions.  I just hadn't realized that this was
the case(as it obviously is).
01:55 < Ginto8> ok hmmm...  I don't think that sort of situation was
explicitly mentioned, but it makes sense given the typing model
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01:56 < jokerwww> I agree.  Once you mentioned type conversions I noticed
that was what I was trying to do.
01:56 < jokerwww> a little more verbose than what I would have prefered, but
there are good reasons for it
01:56 < Ginto8> yep
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02:07 < MizardX> jokerwww: If you make an interface satisfied by a, then b
would also satisfy it.
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10:29 < PHmaster> hello
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10:29 < PHmaster> dunno if it's a good channel, but i'll try to ask: I
downloaded version of GO for Windows gomingw and have some problems with compiling
10:30 < PHmaster> err, with linking ..  linker says: unable to find
runtime.a
10:30 < PHmaster> where can i download it and where should i put that file?
10:31 < PHmaster> I have more linking problms but all of them indicates on
not having runtime.a
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10:37 < PHmaster> anyone see what i'm typing?
10:39 < PHmaster> !time
10:40 < PHmaster> lol, ok, will ask here later, maybe diffrent time zone
means, that i'm speaking to irc session :LD
10:40 < waterwalker> I can see
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10:40 < waterwalker> too late :)
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12:04 < napsy> How can I concatenate arrays in golang, e.g.  []int{1, 2, 3}
+ []int{4, 5, 6} ?
12:11 < rsaarelm> Afaik there's no shortcut.  You just have to make a big
enough new array and write the contents to it.
12:11 < rsaarelm> You can write a helper function for a specific element
type, but no generic helper function since there isn't generics.
12:13 < jessta> you can use vector
12:13 < rsaarelm> Yeah, that's pretty much the helper function for a
specific element type.
12:17 < jessta> the built in copy() is generic
12:24 < exch> copy can be pretty slow if used often.  Use it sparingly
12:24 < emiel_> often?  or on long ranges?
12:25 < exch> often.  Though the slowdown may be a combination of using copy
with a new slice allocation
12:26 < emiel_> ah right
12:26 < jessta> which is why []int{1, 2, 3} + []int{4, 5, 6} is a bad idea
for syntax
12:27 < emiel_> hm, although channels are cheap, suppose you have a lot of
work-items, each doing their work in their respective goroutines.  The work-items
can report on their work (how far completed for instance).  Would one choose to
make a new channel for each worker, or use a global channel (with the worker-id in
the structure that is passed)?
12:28 < jessta> I'd make a channel each
12:28 < emiel_> i believe it is not possible to select() on multiple
channels, so to handle the reporting a global channel is the way to go
12:28 < emiel_> haha, ok :)
12:28 < jessta> the expense of channels is in the locking and copying
12:29 < emiel_> right, but say you want to write the results to a database
or something
12:30 < emiel_> maybe buffered channels are the way to go
12:30 < emiel_> is it possible to read from a slice of buffered channels
efficiently?
12:31 < jessta> I don't think it's currently possible to select() on a slice
of channels
12:32 < emiel_> no, it came by in this channel before, it's actually
specifically not implemented if i remember correctly
12:32 < exch> you need a select statement listing all channels you listen on
explicitely.  Looping through a list of channels will block on the first until
something arrives, then go to the seonc
12:32 < exch> *second
12:32 < emiel_> and there's no way to peek inside a buffered chan?
12:33 < emiel_> hm, it would be futile anyway, since then there is no
mechanism to wait in your reporting routine
12:33 < exch> the only way around that would be to have dynamic code
generation/evaluation.  You could build the select statement at runtime and then
eval() it :p Most definitely not good practise though :p
12:33 < emiel_> then i would say a buffered global channel is the thing, it
prevents the locking
12:34 < emiel_> haha
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12:36 < emiel_> so i watched the stanford go lecture, and it was quite
negative about design patterns, but in some form these kinds of things still come
back in go :)
12:37 < exch> I think what he was trying to sya is that 'design patterns' by
themselves are simply common sense idioms.  They really do not deserve a name like
'design pattern' and have reems of books written about them.  Any person with half
a brain can come up with em
12:38 < exch> I never uderstood what the hype was about with those patterns
12:38 < emiel_> well, yes, maybe people tended to present them as solutions
for stuff without realizing the concepts behind them
12:39 < emiel_> but still, after a few days in go, there are also quite some
common, uhm, idioms which seem to recur all the time
12:39 < exch> ofcourse.  Some ways of doing things work for a certain job.
Still no need to elevate these ideas to godhood though :)
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18:36 < smw> Is there any way to call go code from C?
18:40 < rsaarelm> I don't think so.  It's on the roadmap.
18:43 < i__> i think this was added a month of so ago
18:43 < i__> there is an example here:
http://cheesesun.blogspot.com/2010/04/callbacks-in-cgo.html
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18:56 < Eko> smw: I am not expecting it any time soon, nor do I really think
that it's a good idea.  Go code has a garbage collector and a lot of smarts
under-the-scenes, most of which doesn't really map well with C. I would recommend
making a Go server on a unix socket (or TCP) and doing JSON RPCs with Go if you
must, though in the case where I was about to do that I decided to rewrite the
whole thing in Go.
18:57 < smw> Eko, What I really want to see is if I can make python modules
with it :-).
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18:58 < Eko> lol, I find Go much more sensible than Python, so if I happened
to have any python code lying around I'd probably end up rewriting it in Go
anyway.  But I have an unusual aversion to Python, so whatever ^_^
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19:06 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cDSyj by [Rob Pike] in go/doc/ -- tutorial:
fix one-word mistake in echo example
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19:11 < kmeyer> Eko: protobuf calls are probably a little faster if you
don't need the generality of json
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19:36 < Eko> kmeyer: true.  I was thinking standard distribution though.
19:36 < kmeyer> Ah
19:36 < kmeyer> good thinking :)
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23:26 < exch>
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/d2f3f04e-6ccf-11df-91c8-00144feab49a.html interesting
23:27 < exch> "Google ditches Windows on security concerns"
23:28 < Soultaker> I doubt they'll stop using Windows completely.
23:29 < exch> “Getting a new Windows machine now requires CIO approval,”
sounds like a serious decision
23:30 < Soultaker> so all developers working on Chrome, Picasa, Google Earth
and all the other Windows software Google makes have to switch to Linux?
23:30 < Soultaker> that sounds hard to believe.
23:31 < exch> dunno.  I'm guessing they will have access to windows machines
for dev purposes
23:31 < exch> Even if only through a VM
23:31 < exch> in a sandboxed environment it doesn't really matter
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23:32 < Soultaker> it makes no sense to me to shield your developers from
the platform they are meant to support
23:33 < Soultaker> but what do I know...  I don't have multi billion dollar
company :)
23:33 < exch> If it involves the security of company secrets, they'll prolly
go to significant length
23:35 < Soultaker> I doubt everyone has access to top secret information...
23:36 < Soultaker> but good news for Linux I guess :)
23:36 < Soultaker> unless all those Windows users are going to switch to
Macs instead..
23:37 < exch> i see that (Mac use) happening sooner than everyone switching
to linux i'm afraid
23:39 < Soultaker> I never got that.  What self-respecting hacker
voluntarily runs a locked down propietary OS which has as its main feature that it
looks pretty?
23:39 < exch> as far as google's own OS goes, I have bad feeling it's going
to be no more than yet another shiny new skin over ubuntu.  I hope i'm wrong about
that though
23:39 < Soultaker> from what I've heard it just boots directly to the
browser
23:39 < Soultaker> and all your applications are on the web.
23:40 < Soultaker> I don't think it's a real substitute for a workstation
yet.
23:40 < exch> ah yes.  the cloud approach.  Not sure how useful that is for
desktop use.  Nice for a netbook though
23:41 < Soultaker> completely agreed :) on a netbook it makes a lot of
sense.
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23:41 < Soultaker> although I'd want to have a terminal on my netbook too :/
23:41 < Soultaker> but I'm not the typical netbook user I suppose.
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