--- Log opened Mon Jun 07 00:00:01 2010
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00:18 < Makoryu> ( °‿‿°)
00:19 < smw> can someone help me compile go-gtk?
00:19 < smw> whenever I run it, I get an error
00:19 < Makoryu> On Linux?
00:19 < smw> yeah
00:20 < smw> hold on, I am pastebining it
00:20 < smw> http://codepad.org/Cz1DaWE5
00:22 < smw> ah
00:22 < smw> found the problem
00:23 < Ginto8> the issue is the #ifdef __x86_64__ block
00:23 < smw> ok
00:23 < smw> where is that
00:23 < smw> I thought I solved it.  I was wrong :-\
00:23 < Ginto8> line 60
00:24 < Ginto8> it declares _callback
00:24 < Ginto8> but doesn't define it
00:24 < smw> of which file
00:24 < Ginto8> line 60 of the thing you pasted on codepad
00:24 < Ginto8> I think the asm code that comes after the declaration is
intended as the definition
00:25 < Ginto8> but it isn't enclosed in {}
00:25 < smw> ok
00:25 < smw> I truthfully know nothing about cgo
00:26 < Ginto8> do you know anything about c?
00:26 < smw> very little
00:26 < Ginto8> hmm
00:26 < Ginto8> c++?
00:26 < smw> I never made much in either of those
00:26 < Ginto8> ah
00:26 < smw> I made simple things
00:26 < smw> but that means nothing like macros or ifndef
00:26 < Ginto8> well that is the issue, cuz cgo is, quite literally, nothing
more than a way of interfacing to C code through go
00:27 < smw> yeah
00:27 < smw> so what is the fix?  and this issue only appears on x86_64?
00:27 < Ginto8> apparently
00:27 < Ginto8> well
00:27 < Ginto8> seemingly
00:27 < Ginto8> you're on x86_64?
00:28 < smw> yeah
00:28 < Ginto8> hmm
00:29 < Ginto8> I think the asm code is supposed to be the definition
00:29 < Ginto8> like, defining it in asm
00:29 < Ginto8> interesting
00:29 < Ginto8> but it seems that cgo can't tell that
00:30 < smw> I would try to figure this out...  but it is way out of my area
of knowledge
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00:32 < smw> Ginto8, did you figure it out or should I send this in to the
creator?
00:32 < smw> It sounded like you knew the problem
00:37 < Ginto8> I don't know the problem, I just know C
00:37 < smw> ah
00:37 < vrtical> It looks suspicious to me (I know C better than Go), the
#if clause has a function *declaration* for _callback (ending with a semicolon),
followed by some asm code,
00:37 < vrtical> while the #else clause has a function definition
00:38 < Ginto8> vrtical, if you looked at the asm code, it actually defined
the function in asm
00:38 < Ginto8> like, setup an asm subroutine (or whatever you call it for
asm
00:38 < Ginto8> )
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00:41 < vrtical> Ginto8: I see what you mean, interesting.  I wonder why...
00:41 < Ginto8> idk
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00:42 < smw> Well, I sent a message to the creator.
00:43 < smw> I will see if he responds.  I am making archlinux packages for
go libraries
00:43 < Ginto8> goinstall?
00:43 < Ginto8> why wouldn't that work?
00:44 < smw> huh?
00:44 < smw> what about goinstall?
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00:44 < Ginto8> you can use it to easily install those libs
00:44 < Ginto8> without dealing with system-specific package management
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00:45 < smw> I want system specific package management :-)
00:45 < vrtical> Ginto8: those 3 lines of assembly hardly seem to do the
same thing as the dozen lines of C below (for the same _callback function)
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00:45 < Ginto8> yeah...  unless x86_64 has some builtin function
00:46 < Ginto8> ohwait
00:46 < Ginto8> the asm is defining _callback_amd6 which calls _callback
00:46 < Ginto8> I don't think the #else should be there
00:47 < Ginto8> I think the #else should be a #endif
00:47 < Ginto8> except for the fact that the return types are different
00:47 * Ginto8 is stumped
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01:01 < vrtical> _callback seems to be called (line 109) cast to
GTK_SIGNAL_FUNC, which seems to be typedefed to void (*GtkSignalFunc) (void)
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01:02 < vrtical> Anyway it's well above my comfort level but it looks like a
mistake to me.
01:02 < Ginto8> well if it's casting to a void (*) (void) then that's the
issue
01:02 < Ginto8> or an issue at least
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04:00 < xor> Hi there.
04:00 < Ginto8> hullo
04:00 < xor> Is there any GUI lib on Go?
04:01 < Ginto8> not explicitly in go, but using cgo you can interface
directly with any C library
04:01 < Ginto8> and I think they made a go wrapper for gtk
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04:02 < xor> I'll check it out, thanks for pointing it out.
04:03 < Ginto8> http://go-lang.cat-v.org/library-bindings <- bindings for
C code
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04:03 < Ginto8> http://go-lang.cat-v.org/pure-go-libs <- libs written in
Go
04:03 < Ginto8> idk how much use each will be to you
04:04 < xor> Thanks for the help.
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07:58 < BrowserUk> Anyone have a script/program for filtering all the
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07:58 < MizardX> That depends on the format of the logs
07:59 < MizardX> Easiest would be to write a regexp for text-lines, and use
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13:33 < emiel_> hm, is there some way to pass a interface{} structure to a
function that accepts ...interface{} ?
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13:45 < Soultaker> emiel_: there's a hack for that
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13:45 < Soultaker> you have a single parameter you want to pass, or a
structure?
13:45 < emiel_> a structure
13:45 < Soultaker> of unknown type?
13:45 < emiel_> no, i simply want to proxy a ...interface{} to another
function that accepts the same
13:46 < Soultaker> ah, there is a trick for that...  let me try to
reconstruct it
13:47 < emiel_> alright thanks man :)
13:49 < emiel_> does it involve reflect?  or is there some easier approach?
13:50 < Soultaker> hmm, I it appears you can just pass the variable argument
list directly these days
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13:50 < Soultaker> have you tried that?
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13:52 < emiel_> no, since i figured it will box the interface{} as the first
argument :)?
13:53 < Soultaker> no, not if it is already a ...  parameter[DOF
13:54 < Soultaker> I think the behaviour for variable argument lists changed
around a few times
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13:54 < emiel_> aha, so there is a difference between p ...interface{} and p
interface{}, when you invoke someOtherFunc(p) ?
13:55 < Soultaker> yes, that's how I understand it.
13:55 < emiel_> ok, hm, let me just try it out first :)
13:55 < Soultaker> "As a special case, if a function passes its own ...
parameter, with or without specified type, as the argument for a ...  in a call to
another function with a ...  parameter of identical type, the parameter is not
wrapped again but passed directly.  In short, a formal ...  parameter is passed
unchanged as an actual ...  parameter provided the types match."
13:57 < Soultaker> a bit inconvient that the official term is apparently
"...  parameters" which is terrible to search for.
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13:58 < emiel_> yes, i saw in the reflect package that they have stuff like
isDotDotDot() :)
13:58 < Soultaker> hehe
13:59 < exch> isn't that called an elipsis?
13:59 < exch> or am I thinking of something else here?
13:59 < Soultaker> ellipsis, yeah.
13:59 < Tonnerre> exch, horizontal ellipsis even
13:59 < emiel_> yes, in normal languages yea, not in go apparently ;)
13:59 < exch> yay
13:59 < emiel_> and with normal languages i mean natural languages
14:00 < Soultaker> or coming from C varargs (or variable argument lists)
14:00 < Tonnerre> I liked va_arglist as it means something evil in German
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14:01 < Soultaker> lol, i never knew that =)
14:01 < Tonnerre> A "List" is a plot, and an Arglist means an evil plot
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14:02 < Soultaker> according to my dictionary it's the same word in Dutch :/
14:02 < Soultaker> I don't recall ever seeing it :)
14:02 < emiel_> list is the same in dutch yea, arglist doesn't exist
14:02 < Soultaker> emiel: it does, that's what surprised me too.
14:03 < emiel_> Soultaker: ha, you utwente student?
14:03 < Tonnerre> It's not used frequently anymore, it comes from 17th-19th
century literature mostly
14:03 < Soultaker> http://woordenlijst.org/zoek/?q=arglist
14:03 < Soultaker> thanks for teaching me something new about my native
language Tonnerre =)
14:03 < Soultaker> emiel_: yeah :)
14:04 * emiel_ too :)
14:04 < InaVegt> Hmmm, I could write a function named Reserché in go, and it
would be valid, right?
14:04 < emiel_> pretty coincedental
14:04 < Tonnerre> You're welcome, and I have a Swede around here who keeps
teaching me about German ;)
14:04 < Soultaker> ah, cool
14:04 < Soultaker> small world :)
14:04 < InaVegt> 'list' is archaic?  It's not archaic in my 'lect of Dutch,
nor is its derivative 'listig'
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14:05 < Soultaker> list isn't, but arglist is.
14:05 < Soultaker> although I'd call list already a little old-fashioned .
14:05 < InaVegt> ahihi, okay.  :)
14:05 < InaVegt> List might be old-fashioned, but not archaic.  Now, 'noen',
that word is archaic.
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14:07 < exch> never heard of 'arglist' being used in Dutch
14:08 < exch> interesting
14:08 < emiel_> haha, everyone's dutch, or what?
14:08 < exch> apparently :p
14:08 < Soultaker> weird.
14:09 < emiel_> Tonnerre: just start on swedish, much cooler than german ;)
14:10 < Tonnerre> emiel_, need to fix my danish first
14:10 < Soultaker> my experience with Swedish is that you can't really read
it, but if you try to read it out loud ignoring all the strange diacritics, then
you can often make some sense of it
14:11 < Soultaker> that might only work if you're native tongue is a
germanic language too though :)
14:11 < Soultaker> s/you're/your/
14:11 < emiel_> Tonnerre: haha, no comment ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk
14:11 < Soultaker> and it didn't help at all to understand spoken language
:/
14:11 < dho> English is Germanic, and I doubt there's much sense to be made
for native English speakers ;)
14:12 <+iant> there are a lot of Swedish words with English cognates,
thoiugh
14:12 < Soultaker> jeg tale ikke dansk.
14:12 < Soultaker> is the only danish I know.
14:12 <+iant> handy
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14:13 < exch> bork bork bork
14:13 < dho> I didn't get any Swedish until I learned Dutch :P
14:13 < exch> norwegian, swedish and danish are relatively easy for dutchies
14:14 < exch> lot's of similarities
14:14 < Soultaker> so I guess we can switch the channel language to Dutch
then?  :P seems like everybody here speaks it.
14:14 < exch> finnish on the other hand may as well be chinese
14:14 < dho> mag van mij wel :)
14:15 < exch> fine with me :p
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14:15 <+iant> The time of day affects known languages (I can't read Dutch at
all myself)
14:15 < exch> all the americans are prolly still asleep :p
14:15 <+iant> well, I do understand what dho just said
14:15 < Soultaker> that makes sense probably.
14:16 < dho> exch: I'm american :P
14:16 < dho> it's 10:19 on the east coast.
14:16 < exch> fair enough.  Almost all americans then :p
14:16 < exch> ah
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14:18 < Soultaker> so 8-16 GMT Dutch, 16-24 English, 0-8 something Asian?
14:18 < InaVegt> :D
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14:19 < dho> heh
14:19 < dho> all you dutchies are fluent in english anyway
14:19 < InaVegt> Not all of us, just most of us.
14:20 < dho> and make it extraordinarily difficult for those of us who want
to learn dutch to actually do so
14:20 < Soultaker> the selection in this channel is biased towards those
that are :)
14:20 < dho> because the moment you detect an accent, you're like OMG LOOK
AT MY ENGLISH
14:20 < Soultaker> haha
14:20 < dho> and refuse to speak dutch after that point :P
14:20 < emiel_> dho: same for sweden tho :) sucks
14:20 < Soultaker> I actually liked that about Sweden.  you can talk to
people.
14:20 < dho> It's ok, I lived in Vorden and new people who didn't even speak
ABN
14:20 < dho> knew*
14:21 < Soultaker> for example in Italy I feel usually utterly lost.  nobody
speaks English, and I barely speak any Italian.
14:21 < dho> also s/didn't/countly/
14:21 < dho> a;slkdgjha;rsbhjkawerh;lkbja
14:21 < dho> COULDN'T
14:21 < dho> wow, my typing is shit today.
14:21 < dho> I clearly need to leave the office and go back to sleep.
14:21 < Soultaker> and the day just began for you :)
14:21 <+iant> Some of my relatives in Sweden are pretty shaky on English; my
uncle doesn't speak it at all
14:21 < emiel_> Soultaker: yes, when visiting for a couple of days it's
pretty cool, but when trying to learn swedish not so much
14:21 < dho> mmmm plat achterhoeks
14:21 < exch> dho: you'd be surprised how many dutchies can't write Dutch
properly.  Me included in all fairness :p
14:21 < Soultaker> that's probably true.
14:21 < dho> exch: I didn't say write, I really meant speak.
14:22 <+iant> on the other hand his Ecuadorian girlfriend is fluent in
Swedish, English, and Spanish
14:22 < emiel_> iant: depends on where you are i guess, in stockholm it is
pretty well uhm developed i think
14:22 < Soultaker> stupied Dutchies don't even know perfectly cromulent
words like "arglist"
14:22 < dho> exch: and I wouldn't be surprised
14:22 <+iant> emiel_: Malmo in this case
14:22 <+iant> not exactly a backwater in Swedish terms
14:22 < dho> exch: I frequently reviewed my girlfriends papers and stuff
when she was doing her mbo and hbo fixing d/t errors
14:23 < exch> I never get those right :p
14:23 < dho> seriously, how hard is it?
14:23 < dho> 't kofschip
14:23 < dho> it's YOUR mnemonic
14:23 < exch> very much so apparently :)
14:23 < dho> :P
14:23 < emiel_> no, well, my swedish friends are definitely the OMG LOOK
AT MY ENGLISH type
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14:24 < emiel_> most annoying being that their english is probably better
than mine haha
14:24 < Soultaker> go live with iant's uncle for a couple of months then ;)
14:24 < dho> of course I never memorized gender for words, and the longer I
go without speaking / writing dutch regularly, the more words become gendered.
14:25 < exch> One of my personal friends was born in the US. He's been
living here for about 20 years now and he still gets the genders wrong for some
reason.  Makes for some funny conversations :)
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14:25 < dho> can't beat the time i went to order fries like a week after
getting there
14:25 < dho> when I couldn't hear the difference between ui and au
14:25 < dho> and ordered een patat met me au
14:26 < dho> met au even
14:26 < exch> lol
14:26 < dho> the guy leaned over and punched me
14:26 < dho> "au he?"
14:26 < vrtical> Soultaker: you have to provide a channel for him to report
back on the result of living with iant's uncle :-)
14:26 < exch> hehe at least you got what you ordered ;)
14:26 < Soultaker> better make it a chånäl
14:26 < dho> exch: Or the fact that "pulling something off" is a perfectly
valid action in english
14:26 < dho> :(
14:27 < Soultaker> dho: should just order a patatje oorlog :)
14:27 < dho> heh
14:27 < dho> And I could never figure out whether I was "on" something or
"in" something
14:27 < Soultaker> free peanut sauce to boot!
14:27 < dho> free?
14:27 < dho> it was always more expensive
14:27 < Soultaker> well not really free I guess.
14:28 < Soultaker> but it beats getting punched, I think.
14:28 < dho> I remember saying I was on an airplane once
14:28 < dho> at breakfast
14:28 < dho> and margriet almost sprayed her OJ on me
14:29 < dho> and pulling books off the shelf :(
14:29 < dho> sigh
14:29 < Soultaker> usually it's "in" when you're literally somewhere, and
"on" when figuratively.  but it's tricky.
14:29 < dho> sure.
14:29 < dho> but je zit niet op een vliegtuig
14:29 < dho> heh
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14:29 < Soultaker> no, because you're in the real thing.  :P
14:29 < Soultaker> but you're waiting on the bus, until it arrives, then
you're in it.
14:30 < dho> right
14:30 < dho> But in English you can be on the bus when you're on the bus :P
14:30 < dho> so that was always difficult
14:31 < Soultaker> I can imagine.  there are a lot of subtleties that are
nearly impossible to explain.
14:31 < dho> and nobody could ever explain to me when to add -e to words or
not
14:31 < Soultaker> I don't envy people who have to learn Dutch as a second
language :/
14:31 < dho> except it's really simple rules
14:31 < dho> Is the noun gendered?  Yes -> add -e, no -> don't
14:31 < Soultaker> I guess a lot of native speakers go by feeling and don't
even know a lot of the rules.
14:31 < dho> Is it plural?  Yes -> add -e regardless
14:31 < Soultaker> which cases are you talking about?
14:31 < dho> een rood book.  rode boeken.
14:32 < dho> boek
14:32 < dho> fucking christ
14:32 < Soultaker> ah.
14:32 < dho> I'm going to smoke, I need to wake up more.
14:32 < exch> Dutch is a horrible language tbh.  I agree with Soultaker on
not envying those having to learn it
14:32 < Soultaker> yeah, that's definitely not something I consciously think
about.
14:32 < dho> It is really much easier to learn than say German
14:33 < dho> And I was able to understand things fluently after a year
14:33 < dho> speaking pretty much fluently after 2
14:33 < exch> Fair enough.  The one thing about German I never got was the
'der die das, dem, ' stuff
14:33 < dho> heh
14:33 < dho> brb anyway
14:34 < mpl> what is there to get?  it's just arbritrary genders like in
other languages with genders.
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14:34 < exch> I can understand german without any problems.  Writing it is a
different matter though.
14:34 < exch> mpl: true, but there are so many
14:34 < Soultaker> I don't think it's hard to get, but it's tough to pick
the right one without stopping midway in your sentence to think about it.
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14:40 < InaVegt> The difficulty lies in genders with cases, to me.
14:41 < Soultaker> it probably doesn't help that Dutch speakers can't get
cases right in their own language either.
14:41 < zeen> try learning thai
14:41 < zeen> it's tough
14:42 < Soultaker> no thank you.
14:42 < Soultaker> unless that becomes the official 0-8 GMT language, then
I'll have to.
14:43 < exch> sawadee krap
14:46 < zeen> sawadee khap :)
14:46 < dho> heh
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15:00 < jnwhiteh> I created a CL this morning and sent the mail using hg
mail.  I got a copy of the email, but I haven't seen it on the golang-dev google
group.  Any suggestions?  =)
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15:14 < emiel_> Soultaker: you were right, the repassing of ...  works like
a charm )!
15:15 < Soultaker> a nice :)
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16:52 < MizardX> Why isn't "func Foo(args ...)" threated the same as "func
Foo(args ...interface{})"?  What can you do with "args ...", that you can't do
with "args ...interface{}"?
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17:03 <+iant> MizardX: nothing; (args ...) was the original form; it will
probably go away
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17:46 < yebyen> are there reasonable mysql bindings in golang?
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17:49 <+iant> yebyen: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/
17:49 < exch> not sure what qualifies as reasonable, but there are a few.
http://go-lang.cat-v.org/library-bindings
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17:49 < yebyen> neat
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19:58 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cGhLu by [Russ Cox] in go/ -- A+C: add Daniel
Theophanes (individual CLA)
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21:30 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cGnoj by [Daniel Theophanes] in 4 subdirs of
go/src/ -- runtime: finish pchw -> tiny, added gettime for tiny
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spec: clean-up and consolidation of spec with implementation
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