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00:02 < Ginto8> if you're writing a library and there is a variable that
needs to be easily accessible (but not writable without abstraction) from outside
the library, is it more idiomatic to have accessor-type functions or a server
goroutine that has the same functionality?
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00:35 < vrtical> Guys, another tragic newbie question.  How do I use package
container/list?  There don't seem to be examples anywhere.
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00:36 < vrtical> My problem seems to be reading the documentation.  I see
that a list Element contains a Value of type empty interface, but I don't know
from that what functions I need to write / data types I need to use.
00:36 < Ginto8> one sec
00:40 < Ginto8> ok
00:40 < Ginto8> you can enter any data type into an Element
00:40 < Ginto8> because it contains an interface{}
00:41 < Ginto8> but if you wanna read you have to type assert it to a type
that you want
00:42 < Ginto8> you can iterate through the elements using Front() or Back()
to start off, or you can use Iter() to iterate through them (though Iter() can
only be used for reads I think)
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00:45 < vrtical> Thank you, all clear so far.
00:45 < Ginto8> if you need any other help with it just ask
00:47 < vrtical> So I literally l := list.New(); l.PushFront( /* any old
thing */) to put things in a list.
00:48 < Ginto8> pretty much
00:48 < vrtical> And if, say, I had put a load of ints in a list, I'd do...
int(*l.Front()) ???
00:49 < Ginto8> nope
00:49 < vrtical> no no, you said type assert.
00:49 < Ginto8> yep
00:49 < vrtical> l.Front().(int) ?
00:49 < Ginto8> and it would be l.Front().Value.(int)
00:49 < Ginto8> you might just wanna use Iter()
00:50 < Ginto8> you know how to iterate over a channel right?
00:50 < vrtical> Nope *shame*
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00:53 < vrtical> Ginto8: you're a star for helping me.  Probably best I
practice for a bit now.  Thank you.
00:54 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cQQcX by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/bytes/ --
bytes.Buffer.ReadFrom: fix bug.
00:54 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cQQd5 by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/fmt/ --
fmt.Scan: fix %c in the case where the input does not implement ReadRune itself.
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01:14 < Ginto8> ok vrtical take a look at GoCourseDay3.pdf in your
$GOROOT/doc
01:14 < Ginto8> it has all kinds of stuff about channels and using them
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02:26 < yanick_> hi, I get this error "gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or
directory" when compiling all.bash on my Ubuntu 10.04 amd64 system following every
installation procedure.  On some forum, it says that I need to install the 32-bit
version of libc6-dev.  Can someone help ?
02:27 < yanick_> s/compiling/executing
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02:32 < yanick_> hmm....  hello?
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02:41 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cQVIz by [Nigel Tao] in go/src/pkg/image/ --
image: add an Alpha16 type, for completeness.
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02:42 < yanick_> what editor do you guys use to code in Go?
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02:50 < jessta> yanick_: I use Acme, but Go doesn't mind what editor you use
02:51 < yanick_> jessta, yeah, I know.  Somehow, I was hoping for a Gedit
extension :)
02:51 < yanick_> I'll install GoEclipse and try it out, even if I don't
really care much about eclipse....
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02:53 < jessta> yanick_: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/text-editors/gedit/
02:54 < yanick_> holy crap
02:54 < yanick_> thanks!
02:54 < uriel> for acme see http://acme.cat-v.org ;)
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03:08 < Yanick_> jessta, Gedit works fine!  I also activated the external
command plugin and added a compilation script for Go script files.  Works like a
charm!
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03:43 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cQYtM by [Nigel Tao] in go/src/cmd/gotest/ --
cmd/gotest: Delete temporary _testmain.go files.
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04:20 < Renich> Hello
04:21 < Renich> what are the chances of you, guys, maintaining Google Go in
Fedora?  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=604497
04:21 < Renich> or, maybe, adding google go to the google repo?
http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/yum.html
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05:44 < jessta> Renich: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/packages
05:45 < Renich> jessta: hah!  nice!  ;) any plans on entering the repos?  ;)
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05:49 < jessta> no idea, ask kmeyer.  I don't think there will be offical
packages for a while, go is still in development
05:49 < Renich> jessta: ok
05:50 < Renich> kmeyer: any hopes of go coming into the repos?  (I am,
already, asking google to put them in the google yum repo)
05:51 < kmeyer> feel free to submit review requests
05:51 < kmeyer> I don't plan to at this point
05:52 < kmeyer> gccgo will already be in fedora whenever gcc 4.5 arrives (if
I'm remembering correctly)
05:52 < kmeyer> ...which is likely F-14
05:52 < kmeyer> I've packaged the gc stuff (6g, 8g, etc) and make new
packages for each release
05:52 < kmeyer> dunno what more you want
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05:55 < Renich> kmeyer: packed?  wherE?
06:00 < kmeyer> http://go-lang.cat-v.org/packages
06:03 < Renich> kmeyer: oh, sorry...  no f13?
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06:06 < kmeyer> it probably builds fine on F-13.  No reason it shouldn't.
06:11 < Renich> kmeyer: ok, let me try and build it
06:11 < Renich> kmeyer: thanks
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09:34 < DASPRiD> `autoscan` does not work with the golang, does it?
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09:48 < DASPRiD> cenuij, hey, you there?  :)
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11:11 < jessta> DASPRiD: autoscan?
11:11 < DASPRiD> you know, autoconf
11:13 < jessta> I've never used it and hopefully I never will
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11:29 < DASPRiD> jessta, well it's a useful tool to generate configure
scripts
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11:33 < jessta> DASPRiD: isn't it fairly C centric?
11:35 < Namegduf> I've used autoconf.
11:36 < Namegduf> Imagine, if you will, a programming language worse than
Hitler, used to create a configuration file syntax.
11:36 < Namegduf> Now imagine it had two or three such programming
languages, and their documentation sucked.
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11:36 < Namegduf> You have Autotools.
11:38 < DASPRiD> hehe
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11:38 < Namegduf> I suggest
11:38 < Namegduf> Any other build system
11:38 < DASPRiD> Namegduf, well but they are pretty common in unix world
11:38 < Namegduf> That exists
11:38 < Namegduf> Yeah, but that doesn't mean it's good for your project.
11:38 < Namegduf> It isn't social networking.
11:39 < Namegduf> The utility of a build system isn't directly based on how
many others are using it.
11:39 < Namegduf> So you could just not use it for Go. :P
11:42 < DASPRiD> but i could?  :>
11:42 < DASPRiD> tho autoscan doesn't support go (yet)
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11:45 < uriel> auto*hell is common in the GNU world, not the Unix world
11:46 < DASPRiD> oh yeah, gnu
11:46 < DASPRiD> sorry for that ;)
11:46 < DASPRiD> Namegduf, so, which one would you suggest to generate the
makefiles?  :)
11:46 < nsf> cmake works well, but it doesn't support Go
11:47 < DASPRiD> thats probably my point :)
11:47 < nsf> waf works sort of well too, but its Go support sucks currently
11:47 < nsf> just added a patch to waf that allows you to compile things if
your 'uname -m' == i686
11:47 < Namegduf> DASPRiD: I dunno.
11:47 < DASPRiD> just wondering, what are you using?
11:48 < nsf> simple makefiles work for Go too
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11:48 < nsf> because there is not include and preprocessor magic
11:48 < nsf> and hopefully never will be
11:48 < nsf> there is no*
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11:53 < DASPRiD> nsf, can you show me some example makefile you use?  the
ones i saw in the src/pkg folder look quite confusing to me compared to what i
know
11:54 < nsf> test: test.8
11:54 < nsf> 8l -o test test.8
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11:54 < nsf> test.8: test.go
11:54 < nsf> 8g test.go
11:54 < nsf> :)
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11:54 < nsf> it isn't really portable
11:55 < DASPRiD> heh thats the point :)
11:55 < nsf> well ok
11:55 < nsf> change '8' in this makefile to variable O
11:55 < nsf> O=8
11:56 < nsf> $(O)l -o test test.$(O)
11:56 < nsf> etc.
11:56 < nsf> now it's portable
11:56 < nsf> portability is misunderstood always
11:56 < nsf> you can't make portable programs by using autotools only
11:57 < nsf> because so called portability involves testing etc.  on all
platforms and knowing details of the platforms too
11:57 < Namegduf> Autotools also doesn't work on Window
11:57 < Namegduf> *Windows
11:57 < Namegduf> Or in XCode
11:57 < Namegduf> So, you know, you're portable to BSD and Solaris
11:57 < nsf> yes, and the whole "build tools" thing actually a minor one
11:58 < nsf> compared to how you need to design your software to make it
portable
11:58 < Namegduf> The whole complex multilanguage setup gets you BSD and
Solaris compatibility "for free" without having to do fixes, holy crap.  :P
11:58 < nsf> but I'm sure go doesn't need this
11:59 < nsf> it's not see, there are no differences in BSD, solaris, linux,
etc.  Go's API
11:59 < nsf> ehm..
11:59 < nsf> s/it's not see//
12:00 < nsf> my english language head module a bit buggy )
12:00 < nsf> Namegduf: and actually it's not true either
12:01 < nsf> because if there are no compatibility problems, you don't need
autotools at all
12:01 < nsf> if there are, there are also things to fix in your code
12:01 < nsf> like making a common interface to slightly different two
versions of an API call
12:01 < nsf> autotools just helps you to figure out their names
12:02 < nsf> and basically says: ok, we have this here and that here, what
would you like to do?
12:02 < nsf> it's not that much of a help, really
12:03 < nsf> comparing to let's say..  maintaining complexity
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12:04 < nsf> 80% of the autotools job is to make you _feel_ portable when
you seeing all those 'configure' lines and how the tool checks something
12:04 < nsf> I bet there are a lot of programmers that do not know the
purpose of that process
12:05 < nsf> it's being considered as a magic that should not be understood,
but there is no such thing as magic
12:05 < nsf> ok, I'm done now :D
12:05 * nsf just really doesn't like gnu crap
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12:10 < DASPRiD> still i'd like a configure scripts which checks for the
architecture e.g.  and selects the right compiler, and also to cehck if the
compiler is present
12:13 < nsf> why?
12:13 < nsf> :)
12:14 < DASPRiD> because then you can compile on x86-64 and on x86
12:14 < nsf> there are GOARCH env var and three make files: Make.386,
Make.amd64, Make.arm
12:14 < nsf> and that's all you need
12:14 < DASPRiD> hmmm
12:15 < DASPRiD> tru!
12:15 < jnwhiteh> include $(GOROOT)/src/Make.$(GOARCH)
12:15 < nsf> yep
12:15 < jnwhiteh> $(LD) -Lchttp/_obj -o $@ $<
12:15 < jnwhiteh> $(GC) -Ichttp/_obj -o $@ $<
12:15 < nsf> well ok, there is one more
12:15 < jnwhiteh> that's pretty much it =)
12:15 < nsf> GOROOT :)
12:16 < nsf> and GOOS is important too for some cases
12:16 < DASPRiD> LD then GC?
12:16 < nsf> you see, magic three!
12:16 < DASPRiD> wasnt it the other way around?
12:16 < nsf> three variables and three makefiles :)
12:18 < jnwhiteh> Ofc its the other way around
12:18 < jnwhiteh> they're just in that order in my Makefile due to the order
of the rules.
12:18 < DASPRiD> ah i c
12:21 < jnwhiteh> http://golang.pastey.net/137737 and
http://golang.pastey.net/137738
12:21 < jnwhiteh> For a main program and a package used by that main program
called chttp
12:24 < DASPRiD> neat, thank you
12:24 < jnwhiteh> supports make test out of the box as well
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17:05 < skelterjohn> hm.  when I do "goinstall
go-glue.googlecode.com/hg/rlglue" (an interface for reinforcement learning
experiments that I doubt anyone is interested in the specifics of), it doesn't
download the source file rlglue/experiment.go.  When I do "hg clone
https://go-glue.googlecode.com/hg/ go-glue" it's there.  what gives?
17:05 < skelterjohn> am I missing something about goinstall?
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17:06 < skelterjohn> do i have to tag a commit/push a special way to make
goinstall grab it?
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17:11 < manveru> MizardX: btw, i just try http://pegjs.majda.cz/
17:12 < manveru> using normal peg syntax for writing the grammar is a great
help :)
17:13 < manveru> dunno how "normal" it is, but projects in ruby and js use
almost the same syntax
17:13 < manveru> must be a bit harder in go without eval though
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17:16 < MizardX> manveru: That's a parser generator.  pego is intended to be
a pattern matcher, like LPeg.  pego will eventually support parsing a string to
generate Pattern objects.
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17:18 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cRHcm by [Brad Fitzpatrick] in
go/src/pkg/http/ -- http: reply to Expect 100-continue requests automatically
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17:22 < jessta> skelterjohn: works fine here
17:22 < skelterjohn> huh.
17:22 < skelterjohn> guess i'll try again
17:22 < skelterjohn> thanks for testing
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17:23 < skelterjohn> well then
17:24 < skelterjohn> i think the old version of the source sitting in
go/src/pkg messed it up?
17:24 < skelterjohn> i guess?
17:24 < skelterjohn> i deleted the binaries in go/pkg, but forgot to do the
same to the source
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17:25 < jessta> probably, there was a recent change to goinstall that
handled that problem
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17:26 < skelterjohn> goinstall is pretty neat, though
17:28 < manveru> MizardX: never heard of lpeg :)
17:29 < manveru> but seems like it has a similar grammar
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17:44 < skelterjohn> anyone recall off the top of their head the go
equivalent to pythons os.system?
17:44 < skelterjohn> go os.Exec, maybe
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19:43 * nsf have tried to add Go support for CMake and failed
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19:43 < nsf> has*
19:43 < nsf> :\
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19:48 < nsf> cmake's "language" notion is very tied with C/C++, maybe it
will be possible to make it to compile Go, but with other methods
(add_custom_command, etc.) :(
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20:03 < skelterjohn> is the standard way to build still the provided
makefile skeletons?
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20:07 < nsf> well go itself builds easily even from the command line
(because it's so fast and there is no '#include' problems)
20:07 < nsf> my hope was to be able to build something around cgo
20:07 < nsf> better than makefile templates
20:08 < nsf> apparently cmake isn't the right tool for that job
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20:09 < skelterjohn> dho and i and one other person whose name escapes me at
the moment work working on something for building go projects
20:10 < skelterjohn> i had to refocus on research though, and drifted away
from the project
20:10 < skelterjohn> i suppose it hasn't happened, at this point :)
20:10 < dho> "real life"
20:11 < nsf> well once again, building go projects isn't that hard :) cgo
tool is "the devil"
20:11 < skelterjohn> hello, dho
20:11 < skelterjohn> i see you got pinged
20:11 < dho> harro
20:11 < dho> i did
20:12 < skelterjohn> nsf: yes - the idea, though, was that it would build
anything associated with go projects.  esp cgo
20:12 < nsf> that would be nice
20:12 < skelterjohn> and handle dependency compilation
20:13 < nsf> dependency compilation is required if you have multiple
modules, am I right?
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20:14 < skelterjohn> yeah
20:15 < skelterjohn> the first use case was going to be the package tree
20:15 < skelterjohn> say something like "gb $GOHOME/src/pkg"
20:15 < skelterjohn> and have it figure everything out
20:17 < nsf> on my machine full rebuild of all $GOROOT/src/pkg takes 8
seconds :)
20:17 < cenuij> with tests?
20:17 < nsf> nope
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20:18 < skelterjohn> your machine is faster than my laptop
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20:19 < nsf> well, it's not the fastest thing ever, standard 2 core 2ghz
intel
20:19 < nsf> and I use make -j2
20:21 < cenuij> make -j4, real 0m1.902s
20:21 < cenuij> hyperthread quad
20:21 < cenuij> but yeah, would be nice to use cmake at some point
20:23 < skelterjohn> what is -j2?
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20:23 < nsf> i doubt someone will make support for the cmake ever
20:23 < nsf> skelterjohn: uses multiple threads
20:24 < skelterjohn> i'm surprised that a correct multithreaded way can be
inferred from the huge nest of makefiles
20:25 < nsf> btw, every Makefile in the whole project tree includes
Make.$(GOARCH)
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20:25 < nsf> it's kind of funny
20:25 < nsf> Go solves exactly that problem of C/C++ languages
20:25 < nsf> and yet build system suffers from that I'm sure
20:25 < nsf> a bit
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20:26 < dho> well it doesn't use multiple threads, uses multiple processes
20:26 < skelterjohn> one thread on two processes?
20:26 < dho> calculates the dependencies and then builds until it would
block
20:26 < dho> yes
20:26 < skelterjohn> two threads on two processes seems more likely, to me
20:26 < dho> i made a dependency diagram for goober showing where that is
flawed
20:26 < dho> two processes each with its own thread of execution
20:27 < skelterjohn> yeah.  it was a bad joke.
20:27 < skelterjohn> it happens
20:27 < dho> ah
20:27 < dho> anyway, like
20:28 < dho> blah too sick to explain the false dependency block
20:29 < skelterjohn> now i need to find something else to satisfy the
anticipation you built up
20:29 < dho> it's in the wave i'm sure
20:30 < skelterjohn> haven't signed up for that in a while
20:30 < skelterjohn> signed into, i mean
20:30 < dho> yeah
20:30 < cenuij> wave always seemed like the perfect thing to embed instead
of badly threaeded or no comments (for articles and posts)
20:31 < cenuij> last time i tried to embed a wave, there was a distinct lack
of controls, but offtopic....
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20:32 < skelterjohn> the problem we ran into was the inability to delete a
large swath of comments at once
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20:33 < skelterjohn> it was sort of a living project spec.  and we'd discuss
it in place, then make changes, then delete the long discussion
20:33 < skelterjohn> otherwise there would have been 1000s of blips in there
20:45 < cenuij> well at one point there was no notion of ACL on a wave, any
random bot invited to a wave could wreak mayhem on the wave; which made it not
worth using for anythign other than a demo, but that was a year ago...  long time.
20:51 < plexdev> http://is.gd/cRSv3 by [Rob Pike] in go/doc/ -- Effective
Go: add a section on defer.
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21:48 < MizardX> I liked how this turned out:
http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Four_bit_adder#Go :)
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