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02:56 < plexdev> http://is.gd/djsiG by [Andrew Gerrand] in go/ -- A+C:
Markus Duft
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03:20 < jmhodges> hey, is there a splay operator in go?  I can't seem to
find a good way to flatten a bunch of args into another call without dividing them
up explicitly.
03:21 < skelterjohn> what does splay do, exactly?
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03:38 < Eko> If by that you mean printf(*["%s\n", "boo"]), then of course
not
03:38 < Eko> Go is a compiled language
03:39 < Eko> that might be allowable for an array, but nobody uses arrays,
everyone uses structs
03:39 < Eko> slices* lol
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07:00 < plexdev> http://is.gd/djDX4 by [Peter Mundy] in go/src/pkg/io/ --
io: fix SectionReader Seek to seek backwards
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07:07 * nsf have bought a new motherboard
07:07 < nsf> finally :)
07:07 < nsf> I'm here again
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07:19 < nsf> has*
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08:01 < mduft> hmm...  is there a way to influence structure
packing/padding/alignment/wahtever?  i want to write low-level code based on the
tiny runtime, and need to use hardware defined structures with specific padding
(none in most cases, i.e.  a packed struct in gcc terms).
08:03 < jessta> mduft: I don't think there is, you might have to resort to
arrays
08:04 < jessta> or C
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08:15 < mduft> jessta, uh, ok, so i'd need to tear out those peaces and do
them in asm or c, and call those helpers from go...  how could i handle this with
arrays?
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08:36 < Eko> so, I have figured out why there is no syscall.Copy, because
the syscall doesn't exist everywhere.  I was thinking about adding my copyfile
function to os.Copy, but think that that's probably not right, as it's not going
to be OS dependent.  So, would the next most appropriate place be
io/ioutil.Copy(from,to string) os.Error?
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09:54 < nf> Eko: that makes sense to me
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09:54 < nf> CopyFile maybe (to mirror ReadFile/WriteFile)
09:56 < nf> mduft: maybe you could add calls to the tiny runtime to
allocnstuff at specific places
09:56 < nf> i think youll want to resort to c
09:56 < nf> but you might want tot think about a sane go api so onky what
needs to be c, is
09:56 < nf> only
09:57 < nf> (apologies i am on a bus using an ipad ;)
09:58 < mduft> nf, lol.  ok, thanks
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10:42 < temoto> Hello.  Do two net.Conn.Read in separate goroutines block
each other?
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10:48 < jessta> temoto: yeah, one will have to wait for the other
10:48 < jessta> it's usually a good idea to have one goroutine in charge of
a connection
10:49 < jessta> and the others can communicate with it to get it to do
things
10:49 < temoto> jessta, no doubt.  What about two separate connections?
10:49 < nf> temoto: reads on separate connections will happen in parallel
10:50 < temoto> nf, just to confirm, go runtime uses async IO, like Erlang
and Haskell and exposes it as synchronous API to user?
10:51 < taruti> what do you mean with "async" ?
10:51 < taruti> nonblocking
10:51 < temoto> Yes.
10:51 < Namegduf> Yes, Go does.
10:51 < taruti> yes
10:51 < temoto> That's a hell of awesome news.  Thank you very much.
10:52 < taruti> the "real" async-io api is a separate thing that does not
work for sockets and is quite horrible
10:52 < taruti> so runtimes don't use that usually
10:54 < temoto> taruti, you mean the one that "may happen sync way on all
used filesystems, if kernel decides so and no way to predict that" on linux, but
working on freebsd?
10:57 < taruti>
http://opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/basedefs/aio.h.html that one
10:59 < temoto> taruti, yeah i meant it too.
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11:15 < mduft> nf, do you think that structure packing would make sense in
go?  after all, go itself is rather low-level, and i think it would make sense in
binary file handling, and possibly other things (passing packed binary data over
the network,...?)
11:15 < mduft> (or, better worded: settings structure field alignment
instead of packing)
11:16 < taruti> mduft: not really.
11:16 < mduft> taruti, why not?
11:16 < taruti> one needs to tinker with endianess in any case
11:16 < mduft> you mean in netowrking?
11:16 < taruti> a more go-like solution is to pass a pointer to a structure
and use reflection to marshal it
11:16 < mduft> mhm
11:17 < mduft> i see
11:17 < mduft> so better marshal it to a byte array before doing machine
related stuff with it...
11:17 < taruti> what kind of stuff are you doing?
11:18 < mduft> operating system kernel in go (hobby level, not production of
course ;))
11:18 < mduft> at least i'm thinking about it
11:18 < taruti> why not use pointers?
11:18 < mduft> pointers to what...?
11:18 < mduft> i want to be able to manipulate/read/write the structs
11:19 < mduft> in a clean way.  and the structs are defined by the hardware,
and most probably packed...
11:19 < mduft> so i can't simply take a go struct and map it 1:1
11:19 < mduft> and if i used pointers...  what would i have except a byte
pile...?
11:20 < mduft> i'll have to marshall somehow anyway
11:20 < mduft> (i guess...)
11:20 < taruti> well if it is from hardware you will probably need to copy
it over regardless
11:20 < mduft> yep
11:23 < nf> mduft: i'm not sure, i'm not familiar enough with the problem
domain
11:24 < nf> but i don't think the language inherently forbids doing what you
need to do.  it sounds like, for an operating system kernel, some functions could
crafted to give you enough low-level control
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11:24 < nf> there's no present way of mapping a Go struct to a specific
region of memory, afaik
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11:30 < justanewbie> how can i learn go language more besides
http://golang.org/doc?
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11:34 < jessta> justanewbie: yeah, that's pretty much it
11:35 < jessta> http://golang.org/doc/go_learning.html
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11:35 < jessta> the blog posts are quite helpful in fully understanding some
of the concepts
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11:36 < justanewbie> jessta: that's what i want,tk u~
11:38 < nf> justanewbie: check out /doc/go_tutorial.html and
/doc/codelab/wiki/
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11:42 < justanewbie> nf: Okay
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13:54 < mduft> nf, the tiny runtime does this:
13:54 < mduft> var crt *[25 * 80]uint16
13:54 < mduft> var mem uintptr = 0xb8000
13:54 < mduft> crt = (*[25 * 80]uint16)(unsafe.Pointer(mem))
13:55 < mduft> so the required cruft to get an arbitrary pointer to where i
want it is there.
13:55 < mduft> now "all" i need is to tell go that i don't have an array at
that position, but a struct
13:55 < mduft> *and* tell the struct that it's fields have a specific
alignment, and thats the only catch i can see so far...
13:58 < Namegduf> mduft: You could, instead, create a block of memory of a
given size
13:58 < mduft> hm?
13:58 < Namegduf> And cast pointers to various parts of it to pointers to
the subtypes of the struct.
13:58 < mduft> hah
13:58 < mduft> yeah, right
13:58 < mduft> that'd indeed be kind of a workaround ;)
13:59 < mduft> not very clean though...
13:59 < Namegduf> You could create a package wrapping it, if you needed to.
13:59 < Namegduf> And then only that package would need to import unsafe.
14:00 < mduft> mhm, right.  sounds not too bad.  at least there *is* a
solution :) thanks for pointing it out!
14:01 < mduft> also i could do it rather generic with reflection i guess...
14:02 < Namegduf> Might be overkill.
14:03 < Namegduf> type PackedThing [32]byte
14:04 < Namegduf> func (*PackedThing) SetSomething(int something) { ...cast
packed thing pointer to uint, increment appropriately, cast to pointer to int, set
value...  }
14:04 < mduft> might be overkill, yes, but OTOH i will face the same problem
dozens of times, since there are quite a few such structures...
14:05 < Namegduf> Ah.
14:05 < mduft> i'd have to go and implement this for every single structure
type
14:05 < Namegduf> That might be reason to generify, yeah.
14:05 < mduft> any insights on how much reflection "costs"?
14:05 < mduft> should be rather fast, right?
14:06 < Namegduf> I can't help you there.
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18:12 < temoto> I'm having wierd jumping nil dereference error.  I comment
out the line in stacktrace, it reports another line.
18:12 < temoto> http://paste.ly/31w this is source
18:13 < temoto> http://paste.ly/31x this is trace
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18:21 < jessta> temoto: I think your problem is on line 93
18:21 < KirkMcDonald> I think it is on line 83.
18:21 < temoto> jessta, sorry, i don't see what's wrong there?
18:21 < KirkMcDonald> He is assigning to an attribute of a nil pointer.
18:22 < jessta> good point
18:23 < temoto> KirkMcDonald, you're right, thanks a bunch.  I lost common
to initialize variables.  :|
18:23 < KirkMcDonald> Although the traceback is pointing to line 80.
18:23 < temoto> Yeah traceback was misleading every time.
18:24 < KirkMcDonald> return &FetchResult{success: true, // etc, etc
18:29 < temoto> KirkMcDonald, thanks, i didn't know about that syntax.  I
used result = new(FetchResult).
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18:31 < temoto> How to print Header (map[string]string) nicely?
18:32 < temoto> w/o for/range boilerplate
18:33 < KirkMcDonald> What does the %v format specifier do?
18:34 < KirkMcDonald> Or %#v, for that matter.
18:35 < temoto> KirkMcDonald, Response headers: map[string]
string{"Connection":"keep-alive", "Content-Type":"text/html; charset=utf-8",
"Server":"nginx/0.8.41", "Content-Length":"169", "Date":"Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:39:32
GMT"}
18:36 < KirkMcDonald> Woo.
18:36 < temoto> KirkMcDonald, is that the best?
18:37 < KirkMcDonald> I doubt you're going to get better without doing it
yourself.
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18:39 < temoto> KirkMcDonald, alright this is better than pointer address,
thank you.
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18:55 < temoto> KirkMcDonald, i found a better way: json.MarshalIndent.
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21:44 < jchico> umm why do I get errors on this simple example?
21:44 < jchico> http://pastebin.com/W4tz41r2
21:44 < jchico> I know it has something to do with the new way semicolons
are parsed?
21:44 < jchico> I tried putting some semicolons here and there...  no luck
though :/
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21:51 < MizardX> jchico: 'else' need to be on the same line as '}'
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21:52 < MizardX> } else {
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21:54 < jchico> MizardX: Thanks!  Funny thing is that I usually write my
if-else like that but today I decided to be different...
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22:17 < incluye> Is http://golang.org/doc/install.html supposed to build 6g
too?
22:17 < incluye> *the information in
22:18 < KirkMcDonald> That's what it says.
22:18 < incluye> Where?
22:18 < incluye> Into GOROOT?
22:18 < KirkMcDonald> Into $GOBIN.
22:19 < incluye> oh.
22:19 < incluye> What if that's not defined?
22:19 < incluye> Oh.
22:19 < incluye> $HOME/bin
22:21 < KirkMcDonald> You really should define all four variables.
22:21 < incluye> yeah
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22:33 < MizardX> Syntax error in
http://blog.golang.org/2010/07/gos-declaration-syntax.html . "sum := func(a, b
int) { return a+b } (3, 4)" has a missing return type
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23:18 < nsf> um..  is there some sort of utility that generates code for
calling RPCs in Go, I mean I'm getting bored writing: server RPC function impl,
client RPC function impl, the actual function (on the server side), client
function that wraps RPC client function
23:18 < nsf> I think I'll write a tool for myself to generate a code like
that :)
23:18 < taruti> why not use the rpc-package?
23:19 < nsf> I am using it
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23:19 < nsf> but it can't just register an arbitary function for me, it
wraps everything in func(args *ArgsType, reply *ReplyType) os.Error
23:20 < nsf> arbitrary*
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23:21 < nsf> and my idea is: take a function signature, generate a wrapper
for it
23:21 < KirkMcDonald> The reflection interface would certainly make this
possible.
23:22 < nsf> I know that
23:22 < nsf> Well, I'm sure that kind of packing can be done at run time,
but since I don't want to change rpc package
23:22 < nsf> I can just use a parser and generate a code for myself
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23:23 < nsf> or maybe there is an easier approach
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23:25 < nsf> ugh..  I'll just make a generator, let's see how long will it
take
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