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00:12 < KirkMcDonald> Hah, Go is up to number 21 on the TIOBE index.
00:12 < KirkMcDonald> Overtaken D, too.
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00:41 < nf> it was #1 last year :)
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03:46 < Ginto8> ok I seem to have forgotten the correct way to declare a
function with non-named multiple returns and the spec doesn't seem to say anything
about it
03:46 < Ginto8> so is it func f() T1,T2 {}?
03:46 < Ginto8> or does it have to be func f() (T1,T2) {}?
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03:46 < jessta> func f() (T1,T2) {}
03:46 < Ginto8> ok thanks
03:49 < Ginto8> one more quick multiple return question
03:50 < Ginto8> if you have func x(y,z int) {} and func f() (int,int) {},
can you call x(f())?
03:50 < Ginto8> oh nvm
03:50 < Ginto8> yes you can, found it in the spec
03:50 < Ginto8> sorry
03:51 < jessta> oh sweet, I didn't know that
03:52 < Ginto8> this rather long paragraph under "calls":
03:52 < Ginto8> As a special case, if the return parameters of a function or
method g are equal in number and individually assignable to the parameters of
another function or method f, then the callf(g(parameters_of_g)) will
invoke f after binding the return values of g to the parameters of f in order.
The call of f must contain no parameters other than the call of g.  If f has a
final ... parameter, it is assigned the return values
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03:53 < Ginto8> basically sayin if f and g have the same number of
parameters/return values respectively and the types match, you can call f(g())
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06:43 < zerofluid> Gint8: you were totally right about my problem a couple
days ago.  I had a stupid solution in mind.  Fixed and done.  Thanks.
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09:41 < hokapoka> ooo, gofmt is nice!
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09:59 < jnwhiteh> Hrm, is there any reason we can't have type annotations
for functions?  I have defined a type and a few methods on that type and it's a
bit annoying that outside the package, I have to write HelloSource2 instead of the
nicer HelloSource: http://pastebin.ca/1904334
10:01 < exch> go doesnt support function overloading unfortunately
10:02 < jnwhiteh> I'm not sure what you mean..
10:02 < jnwhiteh> a type annotation isn't overloading, and that's all I
need.
10:02 < exch> function overloading means you can define 2 functions with the
same name, but different signatures
10:02 < jnwhiteh> that's not what I'm asking to do.....
10:03 < exch> then im not sure what you are trying to say
10:03 < jnwhiteh> The only difference between those two is that using the
second, I can specify the type of the function being returned.
10:03 < exch> your example simply defines 2 functions
10:03 < hokapoka> I thought you wante doverloading too.
10:03 < jnwhiteh> There is no reason the first shouldn't be able to do the
same with type annotation.
10:04 < jnwhiteh> either HelloSource, or the anonymous function inside
HelloSource2 should have the type 'chttp.SourceFunc'
10:04 < jnwhiteh> you can't do this for HelloSource
10:04 < exch> ah right
10:04 < jnwhiteh> so I have to 'wrap' everything, and it's just silly =/
10:06 < exch> im not sure why you can't just return helloSource in the
second function
10:06 * exch tests
10:06 < jnwhiteh> you can
10:07 < jnwhiteh> but that's still requiring two functions where it should
only require one
10:07 < jnwhiteh> HelloSource already IS of the appropriate type
10:07 < jnwhiteh> there's just no way to tell the compiler this if its
outside of the package where that type is defined.
10:08 < jnwhiteh> but yes, that would have been a less confusing example for
you guys to digest =)
10:08 < jessta> can't you do, var somefunc chttp.SourceFunc = HelloSource ?
10:09 < jnwhiteh> ah, good point =)
10:09 < jnwhiteh> indeed that does work
10:11 < hokapoka> In this example :
http://golang.org/doc/effective_go.html#named-results n += nr, would n not be nil,
thus causing nil += some_int_value to error?
10:11 < jnwhiteh> n is 0
10:11 < jnwhiteh> not nil
10:14 < DavidJones> what does a recv on a nil channel do?
10:15 < exch> panic()
10:15 < DavidJones> okay
10:15 < hokapoka> Is that because it's a named result, or if I had any int
that hadn't be declared previously would += assume a declaration of the int and
assign it 0?
10:16 < DavidJones> it is because the zero value for ints is 0
10:16 < jnwhiteh> not nil
10:16 < hokapoka> Okay, but how does it know it's an int, from the += or the
named results?
10:16 < DavidJones> named results
10:16 < exch> it's defines as 'n int'
10:16 < jnwhiteh> the named result is an implicit declaration
10:17 < hokapoka> Okay, thought that was the case, just wanted to calrify.
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10:17 < DavidJones> "Because named results are initialized and tied to an
unadorned return, "
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10:18 < hokapoka> Thanks guys :0
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10:21 < DavidJones> the first get doesn't block and returns -1:
http://pastebin.com/SnsVL6mX
10:21 < DavidJones> I don't understand why though.
10:21 < DavidJones> any explanation?
10:22 < DavidJones> all following Get()s block and behave as intended
10:24 < DavidJones> Meh, I think I found the reason
10:25 < DavidJones> curses.Initscr() was called in a different goroutine,
possibly after the first inch <- true, but before the first <- inch
10:26 < DavidJones> yup, works as intended now.
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12:20 < araujo> mm
12:31 < araujo> anybody knows how to get the signal number out of the
os/signal.Incoming channel?
12:32 < araujo> I am checking the code of the package, and it seems the
received signal is just a UnixSignal type, which is an int32
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12:32 < araujo> I am trying to cast the UnixSignal type back to int32
12:32 < bartbes> like ehm..
12:32 < araujo> but it doesn't seem to work
12:32 < bartbes> <-signal.Incoming
12:32 < bartbes> maybe?
12:33 < araujo> bartbes, sorry, that is correct
12:33 < araujo> yes
12:33 < bartbes> well
12:33 < araujo> the value out of <-signal.Incoming
12:33 < bartbes> then you need to turn it into a unixsignal
12:33 < bartbes> which I guess you can only do via a type assertion
12:33 < araujo> mm..  ok, let's see
12:35 < araujo> bartbes++
12:36 < araujo> so, as I can see, I can't _jump_ over a type definition
right?
12:37 < bartbes> well, technically it isn't a unixsignal
12:37 < bartbes> so it might not be compatible at all
12:37 < jessta> araujo: you should read about interfaces
12:38 < bartbes> you could do the unsafe pointer way and just use the data
anyway
12:38 < bartbes> but go just uses type assertions
12:38 <+iant> int32(s)
12:38 <+iant> should work
12:38 <+iant> you don't want a type assertion here, because a type assertion
is for an interface, and UnixSignal is not an interface
12:38 <+iant> a simple type conversion is sufficient
12:38 < araujo> iant, yeah, that made it after I used the UnixSignal type
assertion
12:38 < bartbes> iant: it is?
12:38 < araujo> mmm
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12:39 < bartbes> but what about when it is incompatible?
12:39 <+iant> then it will fail at compile time....
12:39 <+iant> but in this case we know it is an integer type
12:39 < bartbes> but it doesn't *have* to be
12:39 < araujo> iant, well ...  s := signal.Incoming ; n := int32(s) ; isn't
working for me :(
12:39 < bartbes> so your program might break at any time
12:39 < araujo> err I mean, with >-
12:39 < bartbes> araujo: forgot the <- there?
12:39 < araujo> <-
12:39 < araujo> yes here forgot it here
12:39 < araujo> heh sorry, need my coffee
12:39 <+iant> programs can always break when types change
12:40 <+iant> it can't break at any time, it can only fail to compile
12:40 <+iant> that is, it can' t break at run time
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12:40 <+iant> araujo: seems like that should work, what fails?
12:41 < araujo> sig := <-signal.Incoming; s, ok :=
sig.signal(signal.UnixSignal); if ok { n := int32(s) ....  }
12:41 < araujo> thia mde it for me
12:41 < bartbes> iant: yes, but what about a windows port for example?
12:41 < araujo> this made it for me*
12:42 < araujo> iant, oh, I understood you meant only a simple: sig :=
<-signal.Incoming; n := int32(sig) ....  should work
12:42 <+iant> bartbes: then the type assertion to get to UnixSignal will
fail
12:42 < araujo> because that gives me a type assertion error
12:42 < bartbes> and it won't be cross-platform
12:42 <+iant> I forgot that the channel sends an interface
12:42 <+iant> signal handling is never cross-platform
12:42 < araujo> iant, ooh ok, get it
12:42 < bartbes> and fail to compile, instead of lack a feature
12:42 < bartbes> imo that's bad
12:43 <+iant> if you can to write code that will run on Windows, don't use
UnixSignal
12:43 <+iant> that seems fairly clear
12:44 <+iant> we can arrange for the Windows target to define the UnixSignal
type if it seems appropriate
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12:44 <+iant> and vice-versa for whatever type is appropriate for Windows
12:44 <+iant> then you can use a type assertion to see what you have
12:44 <+iant> but in general code that handles signals is probably going to
want to be compiled differently on Unix and WIndows
12:44 <+iant> at least, that is my suspicion
12:44 * araujo notices this interface type assertion thing now......
12:44 <+iant> perhaps there is a good way to write code that works on both
12:45 < DavidJones> are go packages linked statically?
12:45 <+iant> DavidJones: with 6g/8g yes, with gccgo it's optional
12:45 < DavidJones> thanks...
12:46 < araujo> thanks a lot bartbes and iant
12:46 < araujo> think I got this...
12:46 < DavidJones> I was just thinking, you could externalize the platform
dependant code into packages, and then link them dynamically depending on the
system
12:46 < bartbes> iant: yeah, basically it needs some #ifdef-like stuff
12:47 <+iant> the Go library just compiles different files on different
platforms
12:47 < bartbes> not what I meant
12:47 < bartbes> it's for your own program
12:47 < bartbes> or wait
12:47 < bartbes> heh
12:47 < bartbes> not a reply to me
12:47 < exch> some makefile magic should achieve the same result as #ifdef
macros as far as platform specific compilation goes
12:48 < DavidJones> meh I think you have to cross compile all packages
anyway, so you're right
12:48 < bartbes> another thing that could be done, which would give cleaner
code is to improve the signal package so you don't even need to convert it
12:48 <+iant> go for it
12:48 < araujo> bartbes, that'd be nice
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18:06 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dzGd9 by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/strings/ --
strings: add Title
18:06 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dzGdf by [Vinu Rajashekhar] in go/doc/ --
gccgo_install.html: Description of the port to RTEMS added.
18:06 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dzGds by [Kai Backman] in 3 subdirs of go/ --
more soft float support.  passes several basic tests
18:06 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dzGdZ by [Kai Backman] in go/test/ -- fix
build
18:06 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dzGe9 by [Robert Griesemer] in 5 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/ -- gofmt: fix some linebreak issues
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19:56 < fenicks> hello
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20:03 < artefon> is there a web scrapping tool for go?
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20:10 < exch> not in the standard packages, but it should be fairly trivial
to write your own
20:11 < artefon> exch: im searching to see if someone already started
20:11 < artefon> exch: thanks for the reply :)
20:11 < exch> if someone already did, your best bet is to look here:
http://go-lang.cat-v.org/ or here http://godashboard.appspot.com/package
20:12 < artefon> exch: oo thanks for the tips
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22:19 < DavidJones> woah
22:19 < DavidJones> I just lost 4 hours delving into makefiles
22:19 < DavidJones> because I missread Make.pkg for Make.cmd
22:20 < DavidJones> I think the golang helper makefiles sure need more
distinguishable names...
22:20 < DavidJones> especially since the makefiles themselves look exactly
the same, but for those three tiny letters at the end.
22:21 * exch hands DavidJones a cup of coffee
22:21 < DavidJones> thanks a lot : )
22:21 < exch> np :)
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22:36 < Ginto8> DavidJones: don't say you "lost" 4 hours
22:36 < Ginto8> learning makefiles is a VERY good experience
22:36 < Ginto8> and you'll be thankful for it later
22:42 < DavidJones> yeah but I didn't really learn something new
22:42 < Ginto8> hm
22:42 < DavidJones> I just searched for why it's not working on my packages,
but on others
22:42 < DavidJones> tried this and that
22:42 < Ginto8> well you did learn to always check typing before going off
and delving into docs
22:42 < Ginto8> =P
22:43 < DavidJones> I hope so...
22:43 < Ginto8> don't worry, we've all lost tons of time on simple problems
like this
22:44 < DavidJones> thanks : )
22:46 < DavidJones> I'll go to bed now "and medidate about what I've learnt
today" ; )
22:46 < DavidJones> You sleep tight/have good luck and a lot of fun at
whatever you're doing : )
22:46 < Ginto8> dude I always do that...  Like seriously I can see the code
in my sleep o.o
22:46 < Ginto8> thanks
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22:52 < Ginto8> okay if I have type T, can I have type U struct { T T }
22:52 < Ginto8> like, give a member the name of a type?
22:52 < Ginto8> actually struct { T *T }
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22:52 < exch> yes
22:53 < exch> actually, no
22:53 < exch> was doing it wrong
22:53 < Ginto8> hm
22:53 < Ginto8> okay then
22:53 < exch> wait, you can
22:53 < exch> durr.  error was generated somewhere else
22:53 < Ginto8> oh ok
22:53 < Ginto8> thanks, shoulda tested it myself before I asked
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23:48 < hokapoka> How can I use a chan accross 2, or more, seperate
processes?
23:50 < hokapoka> I know I can use netchan, but wondered if there was a
better approach when the processes are on the same machine.
23:52 < KirkMcDonald> korfuri: You could use netchan on a Unix domain
socket.
23:55 < hokapoka> KirkMcDonald: I assume that was directed at me?
23:56 < KirkMcDonald> Err,
23:56 < KirkMcDonald> Yes.
23:56 < hokapoka> That's what I was was going todo, didn't know if there was
something else that I _should_ be using.
23:57 < KirkMcDonald> h and k are, like, right next to each other.
23:57 < hokapoka> many thanks, I'll do it that way.
23:57 < hokapoka> heh, well, they are kinda close.  the j kinda gets in the
way.
23:57 < KirkMcDonald> Yeah, I'm not aware of anything better.
23:57 < KirkMcDonald> Something could be rigged up with a pipe, perhaps.
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23:58 < Ginto8> hm I think I found a cgo
23:58 < Ginto8> cgo bug*
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23:59 < Ginto8> or at least a makefile bug
23:59 < Ginto8> the "comment header" of the LAST listed cgo file is the one
that's used
23:59 < Ginto8> it doesn't combine
23:59 < Ginto8> at all
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