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02:55 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dAaHE by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/gob/ --
gobs: fix bug in singleton arrays
02:55 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dAaHK by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/bytes/ --
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06:58 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dAmQD by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/gc/ -- gc:
various bug fixes
06:58 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dAmQM by [Alex Brainman] in go/src/pkg/net/ --
net(windows): properly handle EOF in (*netFD).Read().
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07:15 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dAo1W by [Andrew Gerrand] in go/src/pkg/os/ --
os: change comment on O_APPEND to be more accurate
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09:43 < uriel> iant: hey, you are in stockholm?  I'll be happy to buy you a
drink!
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09:50 <+iant> uriel: I am in Stockholm, with my family
09:50 <+iant> not sure how much free time I'll have, though
09:51 < uriel> iant: ah!  you are online!  :))
09:51 < uriel> just sent you an email
09:51 <+iant> heck, it's the middle of the day here
09:51 < uriel> anyway, if you want to go have a drink some time let me know,
I have a friend that is also a Go fan (and much smarter than me) and knows all the
good places in town
09:52 < uriel> well, yea, but people usually are not online while on holyday
;P
09:52 <+iant> sure, what times are good?
09:53 < uriel> any time is good for me, afternoon/evening when it is not too
hot is great (although this weekend I have a birthday party, but I can probably
run away from that too :))
09:53 <+iant> I'm not wholly on vacation, I'm coming into the Google office
here some days
09:53 < uriel> ah!  are you giving any talks about Go?
09:53 <+iant> not currently planning on it, I looked into a talk at the
Google users group but the slot was taken by somebody else
09:54 < uriel> oh, what a shame, would have been great...
09:55 < uriel> I think the local GTUG had some talk about Go, but didn't
seem to be from anyone very knowledgeable
09:55 < uriel> iant: when are you leaving?
09:56 <+iant> We're going to Gotland for a few days next week and then
heading to Switzerland in August
09:57 < uriel> ah, nice :)
09:57 <+iant> you live here, I take it
09:57 < uriel> yea, in Djursholm, 15min from the center of town
09:58 < uriel> this time of the year is wonderful, and all the swedish
people goes on holydays somewhere else!  (like spain, where it is 45C now =))
09:58 <+iant> the weather has been amazingly good, although it was too hot
last week
09:59 < uriel> yea, its been unusually hot, but a few weeks ago it was
perfect
09:59 < uriel> btw, if you want to take your family to the beach or
something, there is a very nice place near my house
09:59 <+iant> we've been going to a beach on Langholmen
09:59 <+iant> it's been great
10:00 < uriel> yup :)
10:00 <+iant> we did a house exchange with a family with a flat in Södermalm
10:00 < uriel> oh, that is a nice area
10:00 < araujo> good day around
10:01 < uriel> got to go now, but if you want to have a cup of tea or a beer
tomorrow afternoon somewhere around Södermalm, just let me know
10:01 <+iant> will do, thanks!
10:01 < uriel> (there are lots of nice places around there I can recommend)
10:02 < uriel> ok, enjoy the Swedish summer and see you around!  =)
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11:18 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dAASC by [Kai Backman] in 2 subdirs of go/ --
arm: fix build by disabling list copying optimization for 5g.
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12:05 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dADgK by [Kai Backman] in go/test/ -- arm: fix
build2, tweak test/nul1.go arm exclusion
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12:26 < araujo> http://golang.org/pkg/os has the package info header
information added several times, and it makes it look weird
12:26 < araujo> where to report this?  :)
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12:49 < araujo> anybody knows if there exist a function to get the user
name?, if not, I guess I will need to go manually writing my own :]
12:50 < DavidJones> who is the user?
12:51 < exch> the os package has a few functions like Getuid(), Getenv()
which you can use.  Failing that, you can always manually execute 'whoami' and
intercept it's output
12:54 < araujo> exch, was thinking to go for a Getuid()+/etc/password
reading combination
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13:02 < vrtical> I think the standard unix way is getpwent, which checks
/etc/passwd as well as other things like NIS and LDAP.  Though it doesn't seem to
be in go.
13:03 < bartbes> $USER?
13:03 < bartbes> and windows has %USERNAME%
13:03 < bartbes> but yeah, no fully working windows port
13:03 < bartbes> so I guess os.Getenv("USER") should work
13:06 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dAGu4 by [Kai Backman] in go/test/ -- arm: fic
build3, disable flaky 64 bit test
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13:18 < exch> os could probably do with a platform independant function for
getting user info
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13:33 < DavidJones> or os could have a function that tries to translate
variables and returns an error code if it does not recognize the variable
13:34 < DavidJones> such that on a windows computer, os.Env( "USER" ) would
return "SERNAME%", nil
13:39 < hokapoka> Using templates and {.repeated section foo...  where foo
is a slice, is there a way to only render the items in the slice that aren't
zeroed value, or do I just need to make sure that the slice is only the size of
the non zeroed items?
13:43 < hokapoka> I can see how it's done.  nice.
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14:23 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dALmN by [Adam Langley] in
go/src/pkg/crypto/ocsp/ -- crypto/ocsp: add package to parse OCSP responses.
14:29 < araujo> bartbes, that sounds like a nice simpler option, though I
wonder if it is portable enough (among unix-like system only)
14:30 < bartbes> well, all POSIX have $USER I think
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14:30 < bartbes> so you have linux and mac
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14:30 < Ginto8> I think windows is fairly posix compliant
14:30 < bartbes> and ehm..  yeah, those are all currently supported
platforms
14:30 < bartbes> and windows has %USERNAME%
14:30 < Ginto8> good point
14:31 < Ginto8> well the windows port seems to be snailing along
14:31 < Ginto8> =/
14:31 < exch> As far as I know, the Go team has no intention of supporting
windows in any official capacity anyways, so there is no need to include windows
compatibility code in the standard library
14:31 < bartbes> better than going backwards
14:31 < bartbes> you could try salt though
14:31 < Ginto8> exch: at least atm
14:32 < exch> Any compatibility related changes should be limited to the
windows port
14:32 < Ginto8> yep
14:32 < bartbes> simply because windows sucks
14:32 * bartbes hides from the ignorant people
14:33 < araujo> :]
14:34 < Ginto8> bartbes: good luck finding many ignorant people here
14:34 < araujo> by the way guys, any place where I could submit possible
patches or fixes?
14:34 < bartbes> oh I am sure I can find some
14:34 < bartbes> maybe no ms-related ones
14:34 < bartbes> but apple fanboys seem pretty ignorant as well
14:34 < Ginto8> I for one will admit that mac osx at least is better in a
lot of ways than linux, but ms products in general are so below par it ain't funny
14:34 < Ginto8> bartbes: key word "fanboys"
14:35 < bartbes> sure, if I meant you I would've said fangirls :P
14:35 < Ginto8> if they have valid reasoning behind it, they aren't really a
problem
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14:35 < Ginto8> >=(
14:36 < bartbes> heh
14:36 * bartbes hugs Ginto8...  in a way friends do
14:36 * Ginto8 backs away slowly
14:36 < Ginto8> you're not my dad!
14:36 < Ginto8> =P
14:37 < bartbes> is your dad your friend?
14:37 < Ginto8> no
14:37 < Ginto8> I'm just entering high school
14:37 < Ginto8> so you have officially been labeled a pedo =P
14:37 < bartbes> wait
14:37 < bartbes> so 8 is your age?!
14:37 < exch> araujo: http://golang.org/doc/contribute.html
14:37 < Ginto8> nope
14:38 < Ginto8> 13
14:38 < Ginto8> =D
14:38 < bartbes> if you write those close together
14:38 < bartbes> you get an 8
14:38 < bartbes> you know that
14:38 < Ginto8> -_-
14:38 < Ginto8> you get a B
14:38 < Ginto8> not an 8
14:38 < araujo> Thanks exch
14:38 < bartbes> not in my handwriting
14:39 < Ginto8> you write a 1 like a backwards 3?  o.o
14:39 < bartbes> ehm no
14:39 < Ginto8> then how the hell do you get an 9
14:39 < Ginto8> 8*
14:39 < bartbes> magic
14:39 < bartbes> but you wouldn't understand
14:39 < bartbes> you never had a beer
14:39 < Ginto8> good point =/
14:40 < bartbes> this is dangerous though
14:40 < bartbes> either you like to be picked on
14:40 < Ginto8> what?
14:40 < bartbes> or you're one of those pedo-hunters
14:40 < Ginto8> no
14:40 < Ginto8> I'm just a programmer
14:41 < Ginto8> who happens to be 13
14:41 < bartbes> and who happens to tell people on the internet he's 13
14:41 < impl> I'm going to need your social security number for verification
14:41 < Ginto8> impl: lol
14:42 < Ginto8> bartbes: me
14:42 < bartbes> but this is way too much on-topic talk for me
14:42 < bartbes> can't handle it
14:42 < Ginto8> inorite?
14:42 < DavidJones> apple is evil?
14:42 < DavidJones> (rethorical question)
14:43 < Ginto8> DavidJones: yes but they have damn good products
14:43 < DavidJones> well...  They had.
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14:43 < DavidJones> But they also have very broken products.
14:43 < Ginto8> still have
14:43 < bartbes> DavidJones: oh yes apple is evil, ever heard of snow white?
14:43 < Ginto8> yes, some products
14:43 < Ginto8> bartbes: lol
14:44 < Tonnerre> bartbes, +1
14:44 < Ginto8> DavidJones: macs are still very good
14:44 < Ginto8> overpriced, yes, but damn good
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14:47 < DavidJones> sigh...
14:47 < DavidJones> my router just reset
14:47 < DavidJones> did I miss anything interesting since 19:43?
14:47 < Ginto8> wow
14:48 < Ginto8> (10:44:05 AM) Ginto8: DavidJones: macs are still very good
14:48 < Ginto8> (10:44:07 AM) Tonnerre: bartbes, +1
14:48 < Ginto8> (10:44:18 AM) Ginto8: overpriced, yes, but damn good
14:48 < DavidJones> thanks a lot : )
14:48 < Ginto8> np
14:49 < DavidJones> alright, macs are good products, but I don't like apple
14:49 < Ginto8> me neither =P
14:49 < DavidJones> because of the very evil design principles.
14:49 < Ginto8> especially steve jobs
14:50 < DavidJones> do you guys know college humor?
14:50 < Ginto8> yeppers
14:51 < DavidJones> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgls9IwWUyU&NR=1
14:52 < Ginto8> lol that one's funny
14:52 < Ginto8> the onion also has a thing where it's basically a laptop
with the ipod scroller
14:52 < DavidJones> ?
14:53 < bartbes> yeah
14:53 < bartbes> that one was epic
14:53 < DavidJones> anyhow, the real reason I don't like apple is because
they're too deep into the trusted computing mindset
14:53 < DavidJones> even more than microsoft
14:53 < Ginto8> yep
14:54 < Ginto8> microsoft just has a combination of trusted computing +
subpar producst
14:54 < Ginto8> products*
14:54 < Ginto8> which is what really pisses me off
14:54 < Ginto8> apple has really good products, so it's a little more
tolerable
14:54 < DavidJones> no, its even more evil.
14:55 < Ginto8> good point
14:58 < bartbes> "The wealthier you are, the less expensive it seems"
14:58 < bartbes> heh
14:59 < Ginto8> lol
15:00 < DavidJones> :D
15:00 < DavidJones> I think the best thing is the 1 inch at 2:57
15:01 < bartbes> the real world is a lie anyway
15:01 < DavidJones> the real world is a cake
15:01 < bartbes> no because the cake is real
15:02 < DavidJones> but the real world is real too
15:02 < DavidJones> hence the REAL world
15:02 < bartbes> yet I said it was a lie
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15:02 < bartbes> but if the world was a lie then that statement has to be a
lie as well
15:03 < bartbes> which makes the world real, which makes the statement real
15:03 < bartbes> which creates an infinite loop
15:03 < DavidJones> {The statement within brackets is a lie}
15:03 < bartbes> tcl told me not to interpret that
15:04 < Ginto8> DavidJones: ah the joys of inifinitely recursive statements
15:07 < DavidJones> GNU ?
15:08 < Ginto8> no I mean like
15:08 < Ginto8> "this statement is false"
15:08 < DavidJones> yeah, but GNU sure is an infinitely recursive statement,
too.
15:09 < Ginto8> oh yeah
15:09 < Ginto8> and WINE before it just became wine
15:09 < bartbes> no it's simply not funny
15:10 < Ginto8> what?
15:10 < bartbes> gnu
15:10 < chressie> hurd
15:10 < Ginto8> yeah good point
15:10 < Ginto8> gnu is crazy
15:11 < DavidJones> WINE is win emulator, and hence no infinitely recursive
statement.
15:11 < bartbes> wrong
15:11 < bartbes> they were forced to change it
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15:11 < DavidJones> no its not!
15:11 < bartbes> and it became WINE Is Not an Emulator
15:11 < DavidJones> wine is not an emulator!
15:11 < DavidJones> ^^
15:12 < Tonnerre> Wine is an alcoholic drink
15:12 < Tonnerre> Whine is what users do
15:12 < bartbes> rephrease: wine is a drink for alcoholics
15:12 < bartbes> *-e
15:12 < DavidJones> and whine is what the kiddies in the #RubyOnRails
channel do.
15:12 < DavidJones> dammit, I'm too slow.
15:13 < Tonnerre> Are you whining?
15:13 * bartbes wonders why he's keeping water so close to all his electronic
equipment..
15:14 < DavidJones> No, I was just stating a fact, with a small (invisible)
;) at the end.
15:15 < DavidJones> Whiners always blame others for their own incompetence.
15:16 < Ginto8> yep
15:17 < Ginto8> google.com is your friend whenever you have issues with
programming =P
15:17 < Tonnerre> Or anything else
15:17 < DavidJones> not mine...  the issues I have with programming usually
cannot be coped with by asking the allmighty lmgtfy
15:17 < Ginto8> Tonnerre: good point :P
15:17 < exch> DavidJones: perhaps you're just asking the wrong questions
then :p
15:18 < Ginto8> ^ that
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15:19 < DavidJones> exch, yup.  Eg I ask google about golang, crud and
atomicy, but I don't get any results.
15:19 < DavidJones> then I ask for "golang commit atomic", and I get no
results.
15:20 < DavidJones> (no useful results, that is)
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15:46 < DavidJones> LOL
15:46 < DavidJones> was just looking at this C line: "WINDOW *my_wins[3];"
15:47 < DavidJones> and I was like "What the heck for a type is my_wins?"
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15:48 < exch> :p
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16:19 < vrtical> hey guys, can we talk building Go for a bit?  For a project
with several packages and lots of source files.
16:20 < vrtical> Are we meant to use the makefiles from the Go distribution?
16:21 < vrtical> Are your makefiles as simple as the ones in the Go package
source (which 'include' some makefiles from $GOROOT)
16:21 < vrtical> And is the directory structure important?
16:21 < dho> yes
16:21 < exch> you don't have to if you dont want to.  they just make your
life easier
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16:23 < vrtical> sure.  I guess the issue is telling Make about the
specifics of building Go. Such as all files from a package having to be compiled
simultaneously.
16:24 < Ginto8> vrtical: this is my whole makefile:
http://pastebin.com/t63cvc4V
16:24 < Ginto8> the provided makefile includes make things SO much easier
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16:25 < DavidJones> make sure to always look at the 3 last letters of the
$(GOROOT)/src/Make files
16:25 < DavidJones> eg Make.pkg for packages
16:25 < DavidJones> and .cmd for binaries
16:25 < DavidJones> for packages, you have to do make; make install
16:26 < nsf> also one thing to note: compiling Go != compiling C, there is
no stupid preprocessor paths and flags, everything is much simpler
16:26 < nsf> therefore writing makefiles is simpler too
16:26 < Ginto8> DavidJones: hm could you give an example of a .cmd makefile?
16:26 < DavidJones> Make.cmd
16:26 < DavidJones> vs
16:26 < Ginto8> can it include multiple packages?
16:26 < DavidJones> Make.pkg
16:26 < Ginto8> I know
16:26 < Ginto8> but using Make.cmd
16:27 < DavidJones> They look exactly the same.
16:27 < Ginto8> is it practically the same?
16:27 < Ginto8> oic
16:27 < DavidJones> just the tree final letters
16:27 < DavidJones> are different
16:27 < Ginto8> but do all the .go's for a binary makefile have to be in
package main?
16:27 < DavidJones> so the other day, I spent 4 hours
16:27 < DavidJones> yup
16:27 < DavidJones> looking why my makefiles don't work!
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16:28 < Ginto8> oh so that was it
16:29 < Ginto8> =/
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16:32 < vrtical> Right, so a package makefile includes Make.pkg, and a
program makefile includes Make.cmd.  What about directory structure?
16:33 < vrtical> Let's say I have a package foo that lots of my programs
use, and a package bar that only one program seems likely to use.  My program
imports foo and bar, how should the files be laid out?  (sorry for the dumb
questions)
16:33 < Ginto8> well
16:34 < Ginto8> you can have package bar in the same directory
16:34 < Ginto8> and package main will include "./bar"
16:34 < Ginto8> or
16:34 < Ginto8> you can have bar be installed
16:34 < Ginto8> and you can import "bar"
16:35 < Ginto8> your files can be laid out however, as long as you tell the
makefile where they are
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16:38 < exch> I prefer to keep each package isolated in it's own directory.
Including it's makefile.  Then overwrite the install rule to copy the package
binary to some local lib directory where my main app can find it
16:39 < vrtical> Thanks guys.
16:39 < Ginto8> exch: since it all gets statically linked, I just use the
normal install and then import "x" where x is the package name
16:40 < exch> that's an option.  I don't like poluting the go package dir
with my own stuff though.  But that's a matter of personal taste I guesz
16:40 < exch> I only do that for packages I use often in many projects
16:42 < vrtical> ls
16:42 < Ginto8> terminal fail
16:43 < nsf> I'd say window selection fail
16:43 < nsf> :D
16:43 < nsf> but irc is so like terminal :D
16:43 < Ginto8> yeah
16:43 < Ginto8> cuz it's so hackerz-ish
16:43 < Ginto8> that numb3rs featured it with all the hackerz talkin l33t
16:43 < nsf> I don't know about hackeris I just have default weechat and it
looks like console
16:44 < vrtical> :-) oops.  I'm still confused though - is it easy to put a
load of packages as subdirectories and have make recursively build them as needed?
16:44 < nsf> well, frankly IRC is CLI
16:44 < Ginto8> yeah good point
16:44 < Ginto8> vrtical: sure
16:44 < Ginto8> I just don't feel like givin an example makefile atm
16:45 < Ginto8> =/
16:45 < exch> vrtical: I used to use my own tool that automatically resolves
build dependency order, but I find it's much easier to just use one main make file
in which I hardwire the build order
16:48 < vrtical> Given the dependency system and fast builds are one of the
selling points of Go, I'm a little surprised there isn't more (any) help on the
website.
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17:00 < DavidJones> you should have a look at the go source makefile
17:02 < DavidJones> should be $GOROOT/src/pkg/Makefile
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20:34 < araujo> map[string]func(int) // map of string to function taking
int?
20:34 < MizardX> yes
20:34 < MizardX> with void return type
20:34 * araujo nods
20:35 < araujo> map[string](func(int)(string))
20:35 < araujo> I guess like that to make returning string ?
20:35 < MizardX> no need for parens
20:35 < araujo> nice :)
20:35 < MizardX> map[string] func(int) string
20:35 < araujo> awesome, thanks
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20:59 < araujo> MizardX, what about something like this:
21:00 < araujo> map[string](t *T)func() { .....  }
21:00 < MizardX> (t *T) is not part of the type as far as I know.
21:01 < araujo> mm..  so that means...  I can legally omit that there?
21:01 < MizardX> I think so.  I'm not sure.
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21:02 < araujo> mmm...  yeah, here gives me error...
21:03 < araujo> mm
21:04 < DavidJones> what do you want to achieve?
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21:11 < MaybeSo> world domination
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21:14 < DavidJones> Maybe so, but I was actually asking araujo :)
21:14 < DavidJones> (woah...  that just filed as my second worst pun ever.)
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21:35 < fenicks> yep
21:37 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dBdNr by [Adam Langley] in
go/src/pkg/crypto/tls/ -- crypto/tls: add client-side SNI support and
PeerCertificates.
21:37 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dBdNw by [Peter Mundy] in go/src/pkg/syscall/
-- syscall: On Windows, Errstr FormatMessage has no values to insert.
21:37 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dBdNO by [Ian Lance Taylor] in go/src/pkg/io/
-- io: Avoid another race condition in pipes.
21:37 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dBdOk by [Andrey Mirtchovski] in
go/src/pkg/bytes/ -- strings.Bytes: fix typo in comment
21:37 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dBdOC by [Russ Cox] in 3 subdirs of
go/src/cmd/ -- ld: various bug fixes
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21:38 < araujo> well, I guess this goes about the difference of a "function"
and a "method" ??
21:38 < araujo> or you can have anonymous methods too??
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21:38 * araujo sees that is kind of what he wanted to do here
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21:50 < DavidJones> IIRC, foo := myInstance.function does throw a syntax
error
21:51 < DavidJones> but you could always use closures
21:51 < DavidJones> that's why I asked what you want to achieve.
21:51 < DavidJones> or "myInstance.method", if you like.
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21:57 < hokapoka> Anyone used gomongo?  I can't see how I would cast the
Value of the retrived doc to the type that it represents.
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