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00:26 < tobiassjosten> exch: Your code helped a lot!  I'm getting the hang
of this now.  :)
00:27 < Ginto8> hooray!
00:29 < exch> goodie :)
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00:34 < gnuvince> Does anyone see my proggit submission for Rob Pike's OSCON
keynote?  I posted it about 30 minutes ago and it's nowhere to be seen in hot or
in new
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00:38 < exch> gnuvince: nope
00:38 < gnuvince> Does this work for you?
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/cso44/rob_pikes_oscon_2010_keynote_speech_public_static/
00:39 < exch> it shows the article link.  No comments
00:39 < exch> *youtube link
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00:47 < gnuvince> hmmm
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00:47 < exch> I love rob's take on design patterns.  I've always found them
terribly overstated.  Most of them really boil down to common sense ways of laying
out code.  There's no possible use in writing whole books about it.  Preachers of
design pattern theology tend to make my blood boil
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00:59 < Ginto8> exch: yeah rob's is so much simpler and common-sense
oriented
00:59 < Ginto8> the rest is just bloating things out of proportion
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01:00 < Ginto8> s/the rest is/most others are/
01:03 < exch> In the last programming job interview I was in, the
interviewer asked me if I could name some random number of design patterns and
explain what they are for.  I couldn/t Luckily some smooth talking got my out of
the question, but it was obvious it was a big deal for them.  I decided to read up
incase I got reinvited.
01:04 < exch> As I was reading I was just amazed at how obvious most of the
ideas behind the patterns where
01:04 < Ginto8> yeah
01:05 < Ginto8> I think, if it makes sense, do it
01:05 < Ginto8> don't spend a ton of time to figure out HOW it's going to
happen
01:05 < Ginto8> because it will be easy to tell if it makes sense
01:06 < exch> exactly.  The code should speak for itself.  You shouldn't
need a 250 book to explain why it works
01:06 < exch> *250 +page
01:06 < Ginto8> if you can't, you did something wront
01:06 < Ginto8> wrong*
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01:07 < jhawk28> 250 pages for the language or the pattern?
01:07 < exch> the patterns :p
01:07 < Ginto8> rob pike is a very good speaker
01:07 < jhawk28> was a decent video, but the switch between speaker and
slides was annoying
01:07 < Ginto8> yeah a bit
01:08 < exch> heh i kept wiggling my mouse..  I thought it was switching to
screesaver when the vid turned black
01:08 < Ginto8> lol
01:09 < jhawk28> same
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01:23 < KirkMcDonald> I don't think I could literally name many design
patterns.
01:23 < KirkMcDonald> I do subscribe to the notion that design patterns
indicate a weakness in the language.
01:23 < KirkMcDonald> ...  usually.
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01:43 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dCMLm by [Petar Maymounkov] in
go/misc/vim/syntax/ -- misc/vim: updated syntax file to recognize constants of the
form 1e9
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01:44 < tensorpudding> Is there anything like an interface that corresponds
to the comparison operators?
01:45 < Ginto8> what do you mean by that?
01:46 < MaybeSo> like http://golang.org/pkg/sort/ definitions of
Less()/Swap() ?
01:46 < tensorpudding> I don't want something that acts like a list.
01:46 < tensorpudding> I'm trying to implement a binary search tree
01:46 < Ginto8> oh btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmxnCEa8Ctw is a cool
talk about newsqueak, which is a fairly direct go predecessor
01:49 < tensorpudding> but I find the lack of generics highly restrictive
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01:49 < Ginto8> only a bit =P
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01:53 < tensorpudding> I must confess I come from a very different
background than Go.
01:53 < Ginto8> same, but I haven't found much restriction in the lack of
generics
01:53 < exch> I found I missed them as well when I started with go, but it's
become progressively less of a problem
01:53 < exch> still there are a few situations in which they would be useful
01:53 < Ginto8> exch: exactly
01:54 < tensorpudding> I just don't see how you can make a container type
worth using without them
01:54 < exch> it's a bit like a drug addiction.  You need to detox for a bit
:p
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02:02 < tensorpudding> I figure that Go is something that is an acquired
taste
02:03 < tensorpudding> but I am trying hard to find what enticement there is
that motivates it.
02:04 < exch> it's also still in development
02:04 < Ginto8> concurrency
02:05 < Ginto8> interface
02:05 < Ginto8> s
02:05 < Ginto8> a useful and robust standard library
02:05 < tensorpudding> Erlang has concurrency and more features.
02:06 < tensorpudding> Java has interfaces and generics too.
02:07 < exch> go is not a magic wand.  It satisfies a niche that may well
not be in your field of interest
02:07 < tensorpudding> That's possibly true.
02:08 < KirkMcDonald> Go is an excellent choice for hammering out
production-quality servers.
02:08 < KirkMcDonald> Or at least I think that is the niche it is meant for.
02:08 < exch> it certainly is very good at that
02:09 < KirkMcDonald> As to why Google would be interested in a language
which is good at that, I couldn't possibly say.
02:09 < KirkMcDonald> (Hurr.)
02:10 * araujo still doesn't use those features why Go is a hype ...  but is
hugely enjoying it so far
02:11 < araujo> I think that Go as a language does have many interesting
features that makes it a nice language =)
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02:14 < tensorpudding> I've tried a decent number of languages but I haven't
done a lot of programming in most of them
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02:28 < Ginto8> the interesting thing about go is the number of ways you can
use its features
02:28 < Ginto8> for example, the concurrency and interfaces are integral
parts of how I'm designing my game engine
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04:01 < Ginto8> wow rob pike was talkin interfaces and implementations all
the way back when he was still doin newsqueak
04:17 < i__> yeah, that explains why they are reluctant to add features
people came up after 'thinking' for ten minutes
04:18 < Ginto8> yeah but it was in regard to channels, not interfaces
04:18 < Ginto8> but he was thinkin about it already by that time
04:26 < MaybeSo> and between newsqueak and go they developed alef (re
channels)
04:27 < Ginto8> yep
04:27 < Ginto8> Go is the product of a lot of trial and error =P
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04:28 < Ginto8> does anyone here actually use new()?
04:29 < MaybeSo> I do
04:29 < Ginto8> what for?
04:29 < nsf> I do
04:29 < nsf> I think it's more readable than &Type{}
04:29 < MaybeSo> it's nice to not have to call out every bit of a struct
04:29 < Ginto8> well you don't
04:29 < Ginto8> you can do &Type{}
04:29 < Ginto8> or &Type{mem1:x,mem2:y}
04:30 < nsf> also I use it mostly in New* functions
04:31 < nsf> like NewType()
04:31 < Ginto8> yeah I understand those
04:32 < Ginto8> but new() itself I rarely use =/
04:32 < Ginto8> make() I use a lot
04:33 < MaybeSo> re new(Type) vs &Type{}, do you prefer &Type{} because it
seem clearer to you?
04:34 < MaybeSo> (I had not known that was an option, but I will probably
still use new())
04:34 < MaybeSo> I suppose the & makes it pretty clear that it is a pointer
04:34 < Ginto8> I find it clearer and less verbose
04:40 < Ginto8> ok quick question...  what's the perm in os.Open()?
04:41 < MaybeSo> you mean what are the allowed values?
04:43 < MaybeSo> for unix systems see:
http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl2_open.htm
04:43 < MaybeSo> see "The argument mode specifies the permissions..."
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04:44 < Ginto8> oh that's permissions
04:44 < Ginto8> lol
04:44 < MaybeSo> yeah
04:44 < MaybeSo> on create
04:44 < Ginto8> okay
04:45 < MaybeSo> I suppose they could make that clearer in the documentation
04:45 < Ginto8> well
04:45 < Ginto8> oh yeah
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05:20 < augustz> Go is going for clean, sleek, fun.  I love the static
typing + garbage collection.  But what is up with {}.  I think python has shown
significant whitespace can work.  Am I missing something in terms of why {} are
needed?
05:20 < augustz> It's especially weird because go forces a pretty uniform
style guide already.  So you don't get to vary things up that much with {}.
05:22 < Ginto8> well there are certain advantages
05:22 < Ginto8> I can' tthink of any atm but I know I've read some of the
arguments
05:22 < augustz> I know, it's seems a bit thin.
05:23 < Ginto8> probly has to do with how gofmt works
05:23 < augustz> But with gofmt you are fixing the style, so might as well
do whitespace I think.
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05:23 < Ginto8> well
05:24 < Ginto8> with if and for at least
05:24 < augustz> It's weird.  Language is great concepts side of things.
but some quirky choices :)
05:24 < Ginto8> { is necessary
05:24 < augustz> can you give me an example?
05:24 < Ginto8> because otherwise gofmt thinks it's a statement and puts a
semicolon after it
05:24 < Ginto8> if someBoolVal
05:24 < Ginto8> gofmt will see someBoolVal at the end of the line
05:25 < Ginto8> and put a ; after it
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05:25 < Ginto8> that isn't what you want with an if statement
05:25 < Ginto8> so you put a { on that line
05:25 < augustz> cleaner I think just to indent the subsequent line.
05:25 < Ginto8> also the {'s are for scoping and they're more inherited from
C as a stylistic thing
05:26 < augustz> then gofmt can look and see the next line is indented
05:26 < augustz> and skip the ;.
05:26 < augustz> significant whitespace can also do the scoping part.
05:26 < Ginto8> well
05:27 < Ginto8> suggest it on the mailing list
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05:27 < abbyz> I had a quick question -- what does []*Foo{foo1, foo2, foo3}
represent?
05:28 < augustz> Ginto8: I suspect they've heard it before...  be curious as
to the reasoning however.
05:28 < Ginto8> abbyz: a slice of an array of *Foo's
05:28 < Ginto8> foo1,foo2,and foo3 have to be *Foo's
05:28 < Ginto8> augustz: then you can ask on the mailing list =P
05:29 < abbyz> Ginto8: is there a way to write it without the *Foo?
05:29 < augustz> Ginto8: That's a good point :)
05:29 < Ginto8> abbyz: what do you mean?
05:29 < abbyz> it somehow feels redundant since foo1, foo2, foo3 have the
type *Foo
05:30 < Ginto8> nope it's better
05:30 < abbyz> Ginto8: say like []{foo1, foo2, foo3}
05:30 < abbyz> Why is it better?
05:30 < Ginto8> it's more readable because if you were to do x :=
[]{blarg,yip,yap} then you'd have to look where blarg or yip or yap was defined
05:31 < Ginto8> with []Foo{} you know it's of type Foo right away
05:31 < Ginto8> well
05:31 < Ginto8> []Foo
05:31 < Ginto8> but still
05:32 < abbyz> hmmrph, i sorta buy that.  but it leads to too verbose code
in some cases :/
05:32 < Ginto8> just a little
05:32 < Ginto8> go is overall minimally verbose
05:32 < Ginto8> just verbose enough to enforce readability
05:33 < abbyz> if the types are imported from a different package, it leads
to code like []*packageFoo.Foo{foo1, foo2, foo3}
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05:33 < abbyz> nevertheless, thanks!
05:33 < Ginto8> well
05:33 < Ginto8> you can alias packages
05:34 < Ginto8> and bring them into the current namespace
05:34 < Ginto8> import <alias> "<package>"
05:34 < Ginto8> import . "<package>" for the current namespace
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05:46 < jessta> Ginto8: stop telling people that :P
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06:06 < nsf> ugh..  few more items on the TODO list and gocode is ready for
use
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06:07 < nsf> 1.  multiple file packages, 2.  importing package to a current
namespace, 3.  type embedding, 4.  few other really small things
06:07 < nsf> :P
06:08 < nsf> other than that it's quite useful already
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06:17 < Ginto8> jessta: isn't this supposed to be a help channel?
06:18 < Ginto8> nsf: huh?
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06:18 < nsf> Ginto8: gocode is my autocompletion daemon for go programming
language
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06:18 < Ginto8> oh cool
06:18 < nsf> http://nsf.110mb.com/gocode_teaser.swf
06:18 < Ginto8> for vim right?
06:18 < nsf> a demo
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06:19 < nsf> it's editor independent
06:19 < Ginto8> wow
06:19 < Ginto8> looks like you know vim a lot better than i do =/
06:20 < nsf> it runs as a daemon and you basically put a buffer into it and
a cursor position
06:20 < nsf> and it will answer with completion proposals
06:20 < Ginto8> wow
06:20 < Ginto8> nice
06:21 < nsf> I've just implemented part for parsing complex expressions for
completion
06:21 < nsf> like:
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06:21 < nsf> a.MyInterface.(*WhateverType)[10]["string"].FuncX(arg1, 15).
06:21 < nsf> and it will autocomplete correctly depending on FuncX return
type
06:22 < Ginto8> is this written in go too?
06:22 < nsf> yes
06:22 < Ginto8> sweet
06:22 < nsf> sources are available
06:22 < nsf> http://github.com/nsf/gocode
06:22 < nsf> here
06:22 < Ginto8> just for that I'm gonna learn how to use vim better
06:22 < Ginto8> =D
06:23 < Ginto8> cuz that was awesome
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06:23 < Ginto8> and yes I know you don't have to use vim
06:23 < nsf> you can implement a plugin to an editor of your choice
06:23 < Ginto8> but I will
06:23 < nsf> if it's possible
06:23 < nsf> :)
06:23 < Ginto8> it's just too awesome to put aside
06:24 < nsf> well, don't get too excited it has it's own limitations :)
06:24 < Ginto8> I know
06:24 < Ginto8> but it's still awesome
06:24 < Ginto8> it handles custom packages that have been installed right?
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06:25 < nsf> currently yes, it can't handle local packages ('./whatever')
06:25 < nsf> but it will be implemented later
06:26 < nsf> but if it's installed, it's ok
06:26 < Ginto8> ok
06:26 < Ginto8> that's good
06:26 < nsf> things like gl.  sdl.  work fine
06:26 < nsf> I have a screenshot actually, sec
06:26 < nsf> http://nsf.github.com/images/gocode1.png
06:26 < nsf> here it is
06:26 < nsf> :D
06:26 < Ginto8> and once you have imported into current namespace done, it
will be truly awesome =P
06:27 < nsf> it's not that hard either, but I'm rather lazy person
06:27 < nsf> and valve released Alien Swarm recently, I play it a lot :(
06:27 < Ginto8> quit dem games!
06:27 < Ginto8> Code is your life!
06:27 < Ginto8> =P
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06:36 < Ginto8> ooh
06:36 < Ginto8> just noticed that you can use your mouse in vim with an
xterm =D
06:37 < nsf> it's quite handy for scrolling, yep
06:38 < nsf> and sometimes for selection too
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10:34 < araujo> hello
10:35 < araujo> there exist a nice/handy/idiomatic way to append new values
to an array??
10:35 < araujo> or do I need to go manually on this?  :)
10:38 < Archwyrm> araujo: Manual.  Or take a look at container/vector
10:38 < chressie> you can use {String,Int,}Vector from container.vector to
manipulate string, int or interface slices
10:40 < araujo> ooh, ok Thanks Archwyrm chressie !
10:40 < araujo> :)
10:41 < araujo> awesome, I think that is what I want :)
10:42 * araujo leaves the carpentry to the go designers
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11:46 < tobiassjosten> I really can't seem to run two connections
asynchronous for my proxy program.  When I check for input from either of them it
just blocks until something is received.
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11:46 < tobiassjosten> Are there common pitfalls I could read up on?  Or
existing similar software I could read the source for?
11:49 < wrtp> tobiassjosten: similar to what?
11:49 < bartbes> don't you just need a select statement?
11:49 < tobiassjosten> wrtp: Something proxy-like.  :)
11:50 < wrtp> sorry, i only just realised my network cable had been
disconnected for a while...
11:50 < wrtp> what kind of proxy?
11:50 < wrtp> web proxy?
11:50 < tobiassjosten> bartbes: I have a select with "case data =
<-server.in:", to read from the server connection and take action if there's
any.  Similar for the client connection.  Is that what you mean?
11:51 < tobiassjosten> wrtp: Telnet proxy in my case.
11:51 < tobiassjosten> wrtp: But either is TCP so if you know a HTTP proxy
I'd love to check it out to see how they've done.
11:51 < wrtp> telnet proxy is dead easy
11:52 < wrtp> i think i posted some code ages ago to go-nuts to something
like that
11:52 < wrtp> hold on
11:52 < tobiassjosten> wrtp: You're about to become my hero of the day,
methinks.  :D
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11:54 < bartbes> tobiassjosten: if you add a default case to a select
statement it gets non-blocking
11:55 < wrtp> found it
11:56 < wrtp> http://paste.lisp.org/display/112740
11:57 < wrtp> tobiassjosten: ^^
11:58 < tobiassjosten> wrtp: Wow.  So the magic is io.Copy()?
11:59 < tobiassjosten> bartbes: I tried that but then it somehow always
picked the default case, resulting in it eating up my one CPU and not picking the
connection reading cases.
12:00 < wrtp> tobiassjosten: io.Copy just reads data from a Reader and
writes it to a Writer.  i.e.  it forwards the data.
12:00 < wrtp> tobiassjosten: there's no magic about it - it's about 3 or 4
lines if you wanted to write it yourself
12:01 < tobiassjosten> wrtp: Sweet!  It's implemented in Go, right?  Then I
could copy it and add the parsing I want to do as well.
12:01 < wrtp> tobiassjosten: sure.
12:01 < tobiassjosten> wrtp: Actually, don't answer that.  I'll go have a
look myself.  :)
12:01 < tobiassjosten> wrtp: Thanks!
12:01 < wrtp> np
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13:06 < araujo> []string(type)
13:06 < araujo> is that a valid cast?  , where type is a valid value
13:06 < tobiassjosten> wrtp: Your example works great!  Though now that I'm
trying to create a self contained version of io.Copy(), to parse the data being
sent back and forth, it wont work.  http://pastebin.com/RrLiBSH7 - the
fmt.Sprintf() aren't printing anything but it's otherwise working good.
13:07 < wrtp> tobiassjosten: Sprintf just returns a string with the text in
it.  i think you probably want fmt.Printf
13:07 < tobiassjosten> Ugh...
13:08 < tobiassjosten> You mean like in any other programming language?  :P
Thanks for catching that.
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13:30 < nsf> araujo: yes, it should be
13:30 < nsf> type(value) is a typecast form
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13:46 < araujo> :)
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16:20 < bartbes> I'm not quite sure why you're voiced..
16:20 < Ginto8> iant is always voiced
16:20 < bartbes> I know
16:20 < bartbes> but what's the use?
16:21 < Ginto8> iirc he can change the topic
16:21 <+iant> I suppose I could kick people off the channel if necessary
16:21 < bartbes> you can make chanserv do that for you
16:21 < bartbes> voiced people can't kick, can they?
16:21 < Ginto8> idk =/
16:21 < bartbes> I thought you needed to be op
16:21 <+iant> I think I can make myself op, or something like that
16:22 <+iant> actually I'm not really sure
16:22 < bartbes> I think being voiced only helps in a muted room
16:22 < bartbes> because then you can talk
16:22 < bartbes> but otherwise I don't think it does anything
16:22 < exch> +v is for people who can't afford an expensive sports car in
their 50s
16:22 < Ginto8> lol
16:23 < araujo> +v is like a way to indicate channel admins or people with
any official involvement with the project too
16:24 < bartbes> yes, but in a purely symbolic way
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19:42 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dDII4 by [Fazlul Shahriar] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/ -- bytes: port IndexFunc and LastIndexFunc from strings package
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20:00 < fenicks> hello
20:01 < exch> hello
20:02 < bartbes> hello
20:03 < Ginto8> hello
20:03 < Ginto8> now that we've got that out of the way, who here likes
pancakes?
20:03 < exch> I just ate some
20:04 < Ginto8> awesome!
20:04 < bartbes> I just ate some as well!
20:06 < Ginto8> pancakes are tasy
20:06 < Ginto8> tasty*
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20:18 < jhawk28> making pancakes tomorrow
20:18 < jhawk28> need to get syrup first
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20:24 < jessta> Ginto8: I was refering to: import .
20:25 < Ginto8> jessta: wut?
20:25 < jessta> 10-07-23 15:47 < jessta> Ginto8: stop telling people
that :P
20:25 < Ginto8> oh yeah
20:25 < Ginto8> well it isn't in the docs
20:26 < Ginto8> or not easily visible
20:26 < jessta> yeah, because nobody should use it
20:26 < Ginto8> hm I guess so =/
20:26 < exch> there's some issues with dot import
20:26 < exch>
http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=839&colspec=ID%20Priority%20Status%20Owner%20Reporter%20Summary
20:26 < jessta> the less people that know about it the better
20:27 < Ginto8> well I have 2 very closely related packages (but they
shouldn't be the same package for reasons that are a little complicated), and I
use import . for that because it uses so many of the types and functions that it's
much easier to treat them as its own =P
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20:29 < Ginto8> exch: hm ok
20:35 < MaybeSo> Ginto8: it's interesting to see this huge thread re new()
and make() on golang-nuts...
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20:36 < exch> MaybeSo: you have a link handy?
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20:36 < MaybeSo>
http://groups.google.com/group/golang-nuts/browse_thread/thread/efddd917fc9ea9b9
20:36 < exch> thanks
20:37 < MaybeSo> it appears that some folks feel strongly about the topic
20:41 < jessta> it doesn't take much to realise you can't combined new() and
make()
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20:43 < bartbes> ugh
20:43 < bartbes> just accept that make() and new() exist
20:43 < bartbes> get over it
20:44 < Namegduf> make() is just the equivalent of NewType() for builtins.
20:45 < bartbes> am I supposed to be familiar with NewType?
20:45 < exch> people fear change
20:45 < bartbes> if languages weren't different, then why bother switching
20:45 < bartbes> I learned forth, not to use it, but to be able to think in
stacks
20:45 < Namegduf> bartbes: I'm referring to the idiom of including a
constuctor function in packages providing types which require it
20:45 < bartbes> and for the lulz obviously
20:46 < Namegduf> *constructor
20:46 < bartbes> oh right
20:46 < bartbes> so NewMap for example
20:46 < Namegduf> Yeah.
20:46 < bartbes> well no
20:46 < bartbes> because those mostly return pointers
20:46 < bartbes> as most functions named new* do
20:46 < Namegduf> Similar function, though.
20:46 < bartbes> they do initialize, true
20:47 < bartbes> but yeah,the pointer difference
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22:39 < raylu> hey.  i checked out the go code using mercurial and ran
src/all.bash:
22:39 < raylu> Make.deps:1: *** target pattern contains no `%'.  Stop.
22:40 < bartbes> I think..  you need to run 'make all'
22:40 < bartbes> but I could be wrong
22:40 < bartbes> :P
22:40 < exch> all.bash generally works for me
22:41 < raylu> tre:~/go/src$ make
22:41 < raylu> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
22:41 < bartbes> ugh I forgot
22:41 < raylu> tre:~/go/src$ make -f Make.amd64
22:41 < raylu> make: *** No targets.  Stop.
22:41 < araujo> all.bash that is it
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22:42 < bartbes> thinking is too hard
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22:42 < bartbes> don't believe a word I say, as a matter of fact, don't
believe this statement
22:42 < raylu> right, so that gives me:
22:42 < exch> I think it helps if you cd into the src directory first and
then run ./all.bash
22:42 < MaybeSo> you set GOOS, GOARCH, and GOROOT?
22:42 < raylu> exch: i did
22:42 < MaybeSo> and exported them?
22:42 < exch> ah ok
22:43 < raylu> oh...  you actually have to set those...
22:43 < exch> yes
22:43 < raylu> i thought that was for convenience.  heh
22:43 < MaybeSo> no
22:43 < raylu> it would be nice if i could perhaps see where that error was
cooming from
22:43 < bartbes> heh, I remember now
22:43 < araujo> reading the installa instructions might also help :P
22:43 < bartbes> I made a bash alias to do that
22:43 < bartbes> wee
22:43 < MaybeSo> araujo: indeed
22:44 < raylu> araujo: again, i thought those were just for convenience.  i
certainly read that
22:44 < araujo> mmm ok
22:44 < exch> those env vars are also used in the package/app makefiles, so
it's useful to add them to .bashrc permanently
22:45 < raylu> will it work in zsh?  also, it still doesn't work
22:45 < bartbes> you're running bash scripts in zsh?
22:45 < araujo> error?
22:45 < bartbes> nice
22:45 < raylu> https://pastee.org/rfex3
22:45 < araujo> :P
22:45 < raylu> bartbes: the first line sets the env to bash
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22:45 < bartbes> yes, but are the vars set in bash' env?
22:46 < raylu> bartbes: yes, see the paste
22:46 < raylu> i even temporarily switched to bash
22:49 < MaybeSo> run all.bash w/ 'bash -x all.bash' and see what it is
executing when it spits out that fatal error.
22:49 < bartbes> wait
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22:49 < bartbes> isn't there this list that tells you what commits build on
what platforms?
22:50 < bartbes> oh
22:50 < bartbes> lin amd64 built the last few builds
22:50 < raylu> it looks like it's running ~/bin/gomake
22:50 < MaybeSo> I'd assume linux amd64 is pretty well supported
22:50 < raylu> which uses #!/bin/sh...
22:51 < exch> build works fine here on 64bit arch linux
22:51 < MaybeSo> is the call to gomake feeding in an argument?
22:51 < MaybeSo> e.g., gomake foobar ?
22:51 < raylu> i think the problem is that it uses sh, not bash
22:52 < raylu> why is it even putting stuff in my ~/bin?
22:52 < MaybeSo> shouldn't matter it's just turning around and exec'ing make
-- unless maybe something odd is happening w/ his eenv
22:52 < MaybeSo> s/ee/e/
22:53 < MaybeSo> raylu: I imagine your ~/bin/ is the default GOBIN, the
place it sticks the compiler and tools
22:53 < MaybeSo> and since you're on linux I assume that your make(1) is GNU
Make
22:53 < raylu> hm, well that wasn't the problem (sh -> bash)
22:53 < bartbes> isn't GOBIN $GOROOT/bin by default?
22:53 < raylu> + /home/raylu/bin/gomake clean
22:53 < raylu> Make.deps:1: *** target pattern contains no `%'.  Stop.
22:54 < MaybeSo> bartbes: I don't think so
22:54 < raylu> bartbes: clean.bash:21:GOBIN="${GOBIN:-$HOME/bin}"
22:54 < bartbes> I'm pretty sure my binaries are installed in goroot...
22:54 < MaybeSo> oh interesting.  coul you try just running "make clean"
from $GOROOT/src/pkg/ ?
22:55 < raylu> MaybeSo: ah ha.  same error
22:55 < MaybeSo> good, at least now it is consistent
22:55 * MaybeSo tries this on his
22:55 < MaybeSo> what's the first line of Make.deps in that dir?
22:56 < raylu> archive/tar.install: 1:2:bytes.install 2:3:io.install
3:4:os.install 4:5:strconv.install 5:8:io.install 6:9:os.install
7:10:strconv.install
22:57 < MaybeSo> huh
22:57 < MaybeSo> not the same as mine
22:57 < MaybeSo> mine don't have the N:N: prefixes to the foo.install lies
22:57 < MaybeSo> lines
22:57 < MaybeSo> e.g., mine just says '...install: bytes.install io.install'
22:58 * MaybeSo looks at deps.bash
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23:01 < raylu> so i've used svn and git, but i'm not familiar with
mercurial.  what's the difference between 'hg pull' and 'hg update'?
23:01 < bartbes> hg pull gets the stuff from the server
23:01 < bartbes> hg update brings your local copy up to date
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23:03 < raylu> perhaps a specificoh...
23:03 < raylu> i know what's wrong
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23:03 < raylu> i have GREP_OPTIONS set and src/pkg/deps.bash doesn't clear
those
23:04 < exch> might be worth a mention on the issue tracker if that's the
case
23:04 < exch> There's bound to be more people who run into that
23:05 < raylu> https://www.pastee.org/uf8et fixes it, btw
23:06 < MaybeSo> ah
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23:06 < MaybeSo> I was about to ask if you had an override of egrep in place
23:06 < MaybeSo> you should send a note about that
23:07 < raylu> yeah, filing an issue now
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23:10 < MaybeSo> raylu: GREP_COLORS ?!?!  you kids and your new fangled
computers!
23:10 < MaybeSo> :P
23:10 < raylu> =\
23:10 < raylu> i grep a lot.
23:13 < raylu> ok, next bit of fun.  https://pastee.org/z24du
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23:15 < MaybeSo> from that archive/tar/ dir, does this work:
23:15 < MaybeSo> 6g -o _gotest_.6 common.go reader.go writer.go
reader_test.go writer_test.go
23:15 < MaybeSo> ?
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23:16 < raylu> MaybeSo: yep.  0 exit code, at least
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23:18 < MaybeSo> and: make _test/archive/tar.a
23:18 < MaybeSo> ?
23:18 < raylu> well...  i think i've fixed it
23:19 < raylu> i just added those two GREP_OPTIONS/COLORS lines to every
script that used grep
23:19 < MaybeSo> heh, I should stay out of it, you've obviously got it all
well in hand.  :D
23:19 < raylu> now stuff is running, but it's definitely gotten farther.  i
saw something called 'hgpatch' scroll by
23:19 < MaybeSo> I wonder why a make script is using grep
23:19 < raylu> should i be submitting patches using that?
23:19 < MaybeSo> no idea
23:20 < raylu> like before, i think the make script depended on something
generated by another script that used grep
23:20 < raylu> 3 known bugs; 0 unexpected bugs
23:20 < raylu> wooo
23:20 < MaybeSo> yeah, I suppose
23:21 < raylu> i think it's just for applying patches...  anyway, updating
my issue
23:22 < bartbes> I think hgpatch might be able to make a patchset out of a
series of commits
23:23 < raylu> cmd/hgpatch/doc.go doesn't mention that functionality
23:24 < raylu> i also noticed one of the recent commits was about vim syntax
highlighting.  any idea how i can get that installed?
23:24 < bartbes> it's in misc/vim
23:24 < bartbes> ehm
23:25 < bartbes> you needed to copy the two files..
23:25 < bartbes> damn..
23:25 < bartbes> is my comp still on?
23:25 < bartbes> it doesn't look that way
23:25 < bartbes> sorry
23:26 < raylu> ah ha.  thanks
23:26 < bartbes> though I might remember if you tell me what files are in
that dir
23:26 < bartbes> there are 2, right?
23:27 < raylu> ftdetect and syntax/go.vim
23:28 < bartbes> right
23:28 < bartbes> copy ftdetect to ~/.vim/ftdetect/go.vim
23:28 < bartbes> (or linking might be better)
23:28 < raylu> er, there's a readme.txt there too
23:28 < bartbes> heh
23:28 < raylu> and yeah, it mentions linking :P
23:28 < bartbes> read that one
23:28 < bartbes> :P
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23:52 < cw> iant: for processing 10s of MBs of bytes -> strings & pulling
them apart i see gccgo quite a bit faster than 6g
23:52 < cw> which is nice ...  most other things i saw as slower
23:55 < cw> iant: actually ...  i take that back ...  a week or so back it
was slower ...  not it seems faster mostly everywhere i don't trash the cache
badly (lack of gc at a guess)
23:57 < cw> something odd ...  the amount of memory i see 'leaking'
(growing) seems less now
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23:58 < Ginto8> cw: probably reuses it more intelligently now
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