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Their site is crappy 14:06 -!- werdan7 [~w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7] has quit [Ping timeout: 604 seconds] 14:07 < jnwhiteh> "their site"? 14:07 < jnwhiteh> os.Stdin implements io.Reader 14:07 < jnwhiteh> that's the file descriptor equivalent of the standard input, so you can use it like you would any other file to get input. 14:08 < joc1985> awesome thanks! 14:08 < jnwhiteh> also: http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=site:golang.org+stdin 14:08 < jnwhiteh> would have gotten you fairly far =) 14:08 -!- kergoth [~kergoth@ip24-251-170-95.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 14:09 < joc1985> did several searches but I am still struglin with understanding how the file descriptors work and such so I attempted to find an example and couldn't 14:09 < jnwhiteh> ah, examples are something that are relatively hard to find =) 14:09 < joc1985> yeah, I've noticed 14:09 < joc1985> I can read the pkg definitions all day but If I don't see an example its a lot harder for me for some reason 14:10 < jnwhiteh> then perhaps you should pick up the book 14:10 < jnwhiteh> people are too busy playing wiht the language and writing their own code to organise example snippets =) 14:10 < joc1985> which book you'd recommend? 14:11 < jnwhiteh> there's only one AFAIK, and I haven't even read it so can't personally recommend it. 14:11 < jnwhiteh> http://www.goprogrammingbook.com/ fwiw 14:11 < joc1985> thanks :-D 14:13 -!- Meidor_ [~quassel@piggy.cs.ru.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:13 < kergoth> huh. didn't realize there was a book 14:13 < nickaugust> how do i convert a string to []uint8 to pass to file.Write()? 14:14 < bartbes> []uint8()? 14:14 -!- werdan7 [~w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7] has joined #go-nuts 14:15 < jnwhiteh> kergoth: I've been thinking of picking it up, but there's really no information available about it which makes me wary. 14:15 < jnwhiteh> the reviews on amazon say its not for me =) 14:15 -!- deso [~deso@x0561a.wh30.tu-dresden.de] has joined #go-nuts 14:16 < jnwhiteh> perhaps I'm biased about online resources due to my own experience :P 14:16 < kergoth> agreed, that first review is quite worrisome 14:16 < exch> as much as I applaud writing Go books, it seems a bit fruitless when Go is still in development. granted, the language itself is pretty stable and you can elaborate on the Go phylosophy, but still. 14:16 < jnwhiteh> page 53, bizarre 14:16 < kergoth> exch: agreed 14:16 < jnwhiteh> exch: if one started today, I'd support it, but this came out two months ago. 14:16 < jnwhiteh> I was terribly concerned about the timing then 14:16 < exch> mm 14:17 < jnwhiteh> that being said, I can get it in the UK for £10 new :P 14:17 < joc1985> u can do a quick look insice at amazon 14:17 < kergoth> also, the online information is excellent. not many examples, as jnwhiteh mentioned, but Effective Go and the language specification and tutorial are great imo 14:18 < exch> the package source itself is excellent documentation for me. the _test.go files usually answer any questions I may have 14:18 * jnwhiteh hugs godoc 14:18 < exch> One of the benefits of Go's minimalist syntax.. it kinda documents itself :) 14:18 < kergoth> that's a good point. can also read the various 3rd party libraries people are producing, though the code isn't always the best :) 14:18 < jnwhiteh> kergoth: followed the discussion on go-luapatterns at all? =) 14:19 < jnwhiteh> not sure where I want to take it next, but its faster than regexp and can do non-greedy searches, so I'm happy. 14:19 < kergoth> nice. not a great deal yet, my lua patterns skills are a tad rusty after being away from wow for so long :) 14:20 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:20 -!- joc1985 [~chatzilla@216.64.28.214] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [SeaMonkey 2.0.6/20100722144341]] 14:20 < nickaugust> bartbes: thx. 14:20 < nickaugust> duh 14:25 -!- skejoe [~skejoe@188.114.142.231] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:26 -!- gabriel9 [~gabriel9@93.157.192.28] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28 -!- stalled [~stalled@unaffiliated/stalled] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31 -!- gabriel9 [~gabriel9@93.157.192.28] has joined #go-nuts 14:34 -!- stalled [~stalled@unaffiliated/stalled] has joined #go-nuts 14:34 -!- ronnyy [~quassel@p4FF1CCB3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 14:41 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has joined #go-nuts 14:41 -!- macroron [~ron@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:54 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053000110.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 15:02 -!- jesusaurus1 [jesusaur@firefly.cat.pdx.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02 -!- MizardX [~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02 -!- Namegduf [~namegduf@eu.beshir.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:02 -!- xarak [~emil@ipv6.webbernet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:03 -!- MizardX- [~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx] has joined #go-nuts 15:03 -!- jesusaurus2 [jesusaur@firefly.cat.pdx.edu] has joined #go-nuts 15:03 -!- JBeshir [~namegduf@eu.beshir.org] has joined #go-nuts 15:03 -!- xarak_ [~emil@ipv6.webbernet.nl] has joined #go-nuts 15:03 -!- piyushmishra [~piyushmis@117.200.226.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:03 -!- Boney [~paul@124-148-152-30.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:03 -!- Boney [~paul@124-148-152-30.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #go-nuts 15:03 -!- piyushmishra [~piyushmis@117.200.226.199] has joined #go-nuts 15:21 -!- royger [~royger@29.19.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #go-nuts 15:24 -!- bortzmeyer [~bortzmeye@batilda.nic.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:30 -!- dj2 [~dj2@216.16.242.254] has quit [Quit: dj2] 15:30 -!- saschpe [~quassel@mgdb-4d0cfdcc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:32 < nickaugust> is there a way to get the number of columns of the console like $(tput cols) does? 15:32 < nickaugust> in go i mean 15:33 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@74.61.90.217] has joined #go-nuts 15:33 -!- lmoura_ [~lauromour@187.112.10.168] has joined #go-nuts 15:34 -!- luruke [~luruke@151.53.53.142] has joined #go-nuts 15:34 -!- napsy [~luka@212.235.174.112] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:35 < MizardX> nickaugust: You could always execute 'tput cols' trough the shell: os.ForkExec("tput", []string{"cols"}, ...) 15:35 < MizardX> through* 15:36 -!- lmoura__ [~lauromour@187.113.127.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:36 < nickaugust> hmm.. that would add ncurses as a dependency 15:38 < bartbes> try $COLUMNS 15:38 < bartbes> (the environment var) 15:40 < nickaugust> bartbes: thanks! that works here... is that available in most enviroments? 15:41 < bartbes> ehm 15:41 < bartbes> no idea 15:44 < MizardX> not windows :P 15:45 < nickaugust> MizardX: ah, who cares? ;) 15:45 < royger> maybe I'm being really stupid here, but why there is no math.Round? 15:46 < JBeshir> royger: +0.5, then truncate. 15:46 < JBeshir> For rounding towards positive infinity. 15:47 < JBeshir> I think. 15:47 < JBeshir> Depends on how you truncate. 15:47 < royger> sure, I'm really stupid 15:48 < royger> JBeshir: thanks 15:48 < JBeshir> No problem. 15:55 -!- jmettraux [~jmettraux@PPPbm5391.kanagawa-ip.dti.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:59 -!- dj2 [~dj2@216.16.242.254] has joined #go-nuts 16:06 -!- ronnyy [~quassel@p4FF1CCB3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10 -!- tvw [~tv@212.79.9.150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:13 < MizardX> What is the convention of using "·" (U+00B7) in CGO source? 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I see "·entersyscall();" and "·exitsyscall();" on some lines. 16:29 -!- gnuvince_ [~vince@64.235.212.218] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:30 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has joined #go-nuts 16:31 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-177-247.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: E se abbasso questa leva che succ...] 16:33 -!- napsy [~luka@212.235.174.112] has joined #go-nuts 16:34 -!- kanru [~kanru@61-228-152-114.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:36 -!- chickamade [~chickamad@115.74.107.52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:36 -!- aht [~chickamad@115.74.107.52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:40 < royger> how do I use 6prof on Darwin, I've tried 6prof -p <pid> -t 10 -d 1 and 6prof -t 120 -d 1 wgo program_name 16:41 < royger> the firts one is not valid in darwin, and the 2nd one throws a panic about mach error semaphore_wait: 16777252 16:42 < royger> and on x86 linux I get: "prof: too many threads; limiting to 0" 16:42 -!- ronnyy [~quassel@p4FF1CCB3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42 -!- deso [~deso@x0561a.wh30.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48 -!- JBeshir [~namegduf@eu.beshir.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:50 -!- Namegduf [~namegduf@eu.beshir.org] has joined #go-nuts 16:55 < royger> Also, I've noticed http.URLEncode doesn't encode $, they should be replaced by "%24" 16:56 < royger> sorry, http.URLEscape 16:57 -!- p4p4 [~P4p4@82.113.106.28] has joined #go-nuts 17:01 -!- femtoo [~femto@95-89-248-37-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:05 -!- RobertLJ [~quassel@c-68-44-163-191.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:05 < cbeck> royger: I'm not sure it should be 17:05 < cbeck> rfc1738 specificly exempts $ from needing to be encoded 17:14 -!- antonyp [~antony@78.32.134.243] has joined #go-nuts 17:15 -!- otherchirps [~otherchir@124-171-1-217.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #go-nuts 17:21 -!- terrex [~terrex@84.122.67.111.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #go-nuts 17:22 -!- enherit [~enherit@cpe-98-149-170-48.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 17:26 -!- mattikus [~mattikus@ip24-250-73-154.br.br.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:28 -!- otherchirps [~otherchir@124-171-1-217.dyn.iinet.net.au] has left #go-nuts ["Leaving"] 17:39 -!- tvw [~tv@e176005080.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 17:39 -!- atarski [~ms@246-moc-3.acn.waw.pl] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:41 -!- sacho [~sacho@213.91.244.15] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:43 -!- p4p4 [~P4p4@82.113.106.28] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 17:45 -!- p4p4 [~P4p4@82.113.106.28] has joined #go-nuts 17:45 -!- Bombe [~droden@weltgehirnmaschine.de] has quit [Changing host] 17:45 -!- Bombe [~droden@freenet/developer/Bombe] has joined #go-nuts 17:46 -!- tasosos [~tasosos@77.49.120.16.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr] has joined #go-nuts 17:48 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:55 -!- antonyp [~antony@78.32.134.243] has quit [Quit: antonyp] 17:55 -!- Bombe [~droden@freenet/developer/Bombe] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:56 -!- Bombe [~droden@weltgehirnmaschine.de] has joined #go-nuts 18:02 < plexdev> http://is.gd/eTyjM by [Robert Griesemer] in go/test/ -- solitaire: an exercise in backtracking and string conversions 18:03 -!- Bombe [~droden@weltgehirnmaschine.de] has quit [Changing host] 18:03 -!- Bombe [~droden@freenet/developer/Bombe] has joined #go-nuts 18:05 -!- p4p4 [~P4p4@82.113.106.28] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 18:06 -!- ucasano [~ucasano@host153-182-static.227-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:06 -!- p4p4 [~P4p4@82.113.106.28] has joined #go-nuts 18:06 -!- ucasano [~ucasano@host153-182-static.227-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #go-nuts 18:11 -!- slashus2 [~slashus2@74-137-24-74.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #go-nuts 18:15 -!- ronnyy [~quassel@p4FF1CCB3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:17 -!- Bombe [~droden@freenet/developer/Bombe] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:18 -!- Bombe [~droden@weltgehirnmaschine.de] has joined #go-nuts 18:21 -!- ucasano [~ucasano@host153-182-static.227-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: ucasano] 18:22 -!- terrex [~terrex@84.122.67.111.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:24 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #go-nuts 18:25 -!- p4p4 [~P4p4@82.113.106.28] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 18:25 -!- MaybeSo [~jimr@lions.Stanford.EDU] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:26 -!- p4p4 [~P4p4@82.113.106.28] has joined #go-nuts 18:26 -!- MaybeSo [~jimr@lions.Stanford.EDU] has joined #go-nuts 18:26 < MaybeSo> guh 18:27 -!- terrex [~terrex@84.122.67.111.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #go-nuts 18:28 < MaybeSo> does anyone here use the 3rd party httplib ? 18:34 < royger> I'm using io.ReadFull to read data from a net.Conn, but I receive a "resource temporarily unavailable" error quite often, is there anyway to avoid this, or it means the connection is closed? 18:34 -!- dj2 [~dj2@216.16.242.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:34 < MaybeSo> no, I think that usually means the server simply hasn't sent the next bucket of bytes to you 18:35 < royger> but what can I do, isn't io.ReadFull supposed to wait untill it receives all the data it needs? 18:36 < royger> I would like to set a Blocking I/O mode on the socket, so that it only returns when all the data has been read or EOF is reached 18:38 < MaybeSo> I have to admit I haven't had to do any low level network reading in go, but have you seen whether or not io/ioutil.ReadAll might do what you want? 18:39 -!- dj2 [~dj2@216.16.242.254] has joined #go-nuts 18:40 < MaybeSo> most code I've seen wraps connections with a bufio reader 18:40 < MaybeSo> (bufio.NewReader()) 18:41 -!- p4p4 [~P4p4@82.113.106.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:41 < royger> I'm doing a bittorrent clinet, and I through that having a buffer on every connection will be too much 18:42 < royger> since I usually have 50-55 active connections 18:42 < cbeck> royger: It seems like buffered is still the way to go, otherwise you spend all your time in syscalls 18:43 < MaybeSo> you're worried that you'll need too much memory in your client to maintain that many connections? 18:43 < MaybeSo> you can limit the size of the buffer 18:44 < MaybeSo> but still, it's pretty common to be using 1-4 k buffers for network data in clients 18:45 -!- tux21b [~christoph@chello213047047175.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: exit(EXIT_SUCCESS); // see ⓎⓄⓊ] 18:46 < MizardX> I'm experimenting with dynamicly loading libraries in Windows. Can you use unsafe.Reflect() and pass the uintptr directly to syscall.Syscall()? 18:46 -!- fedler [~fedler@173.183.63.116] has joined #go-nuts 18:48 < royger> MaybeSo: so you recommend me to read from a buffer, and about writting? directly to the net.Conn or there is a better way? 18:51 < cbeck> I use a bufio.Writer 18:51 < cbeck> But I'm usually writing strings 18:53 < MaybeSo> personally I'd buffer writes as well, being sure of course to flush the buffer when appropriate 18:53 < MaybeSo> but as I said, I actually haven't had to do any low level networking stuff myself in go 18:56 -!- fedler_ [~fedler@173.183.63.116] has joined #go-nuts 18:56 -!- fedler [~fedler@173.183.63.116] has quit [Quit: fedler] 18:56 -!- fedler_ [~fedler@173.183.63.116] has quit [Client Quit] 19:02 -!- fedler__ [~fedler@173.183.63.116] has joined #go-nuts 19:04 -!- fedler__ [~fedler@173.183.63.116] has left #go-nuts [] 19:05 -!- virtualsue [~chatzilla@nat/cisco/x-czwzreqziadsyjvz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:23 -!- ronnyy [~quassel@p4FF1CCB3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:25 -!- aruiz_ [~aruiz@94-192-234-22.zone6.bethere.co.uk] has joined #go-nuts 19:27 < steven_t> i cant seem to find this anywhere on the site, 19:27 < steven_t> but im wondering, does Go have keyword-arguments or optional-arguments to methods/functions? 19:28 < nsf> Go has variable number of arguments for functions 19:28 < MaybeSo> this? http://golang.org/doc/go_spec.html#Passing_arguments_to_..._parameters 19:28 < nsf> but no keyword args, no default args, etc. 19:28 < steven_t> ah i see 19:28 < nsf> although it can be emulated 19:29 < nsf> I mean keyword args 19:29 < nsf> like in old C: 19:29 < nsf> func Func(... interface{}) 19:29 < nsf> Func(FIELD1, var1, FIELD2, var2, FIELD3, var3) 19:29 < nsf> where FIELD* is a constant 19:29 < nsf> and var* the actual value 19:30 < nsf> in function you can map those as they are key=value arguments 19:31 < nsf> or you can use strings instead of consts 19:31 < nsf> the only drawback that it's not typechecked 19:31 < steven_t> im way too new to Go to understand what you're saying 19:31 < steven_t> but thanks 19:31 < steven_t> bbl, reading more Go docs 19:31 < nsf> :D 19:31 * steven_t flips to the section on slices to understand wth they are and how they relate to python lists or ruby arrays 19:32 < steven_t> btw wow, i love the way varargs work in Go vs C 19:32 < steven_t> much more like in ruby or python <3 19:32 * steven_t shudders from memories of using varargs in C 19:33 < nsf> well they preserve type information 19:33 < nsf> unlike in C 19:33 < nsf> which is good of course 19:33 < steven_t> yes 19:33 < nsf> but they can be a bit slower though 19:33 < steven_t> thats fine with me 19:33 < steven_t> (i use ruby lol) 19:33 < nsf> :D 19:33 < MaybeSo> I like a lot of the Go syntax, I think they made it really easy to use and really straight forward. I had to spend a day writing perl code and I was *so* glad to get back to Go. 19:34 < steven_t> lol 19:34 < steven_t> any of yall use Go for work yet? 19:34 < nsf> yep, I'm glad that I forgot how to read Perl 19:34 < steven_t> :D 19:34 * steven_t bbls for real this time 19:34 * steven_t is so tired 19:34 < MaybeSo> I do, it's a small thing, but it's in production 19:35 -!- mattikus [~mattikus@ip24-250-73-154.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:37 -!- napsy [~luka@212.235.174.112] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:49 < plexdev> http://is.gd/eTGid by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/goinstall/ -- goinstall: assume go binaries are in path 19:49 < plexdev> http://is.gd/eTGik by [Russ Cox] in go/src/ -- build: implement NOINSTALL=1 for Make.ccmd 19:58 < steven_t> it seems with the flexibility of Go's for keyword, that it should be named something different 19:58 < steven_t> like 'loop' 19:58 < nsf> for is the most widely used keyword for loops 19:59 < steven_t> right 19:59 < steven_t> im just saying, it seems that in Go it should be called 'loop', not 'for' 19:59 < nsf> I guess it's just for the same reason as the "*" for pointers 19:59 < steven_t> right 19:59 < nsf> it just looks familiar :) 20:04 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 20:08 < steven_t> man 20:08 < steven_t> this is getting really confusing 20:21 -!- aruiz_ [~aruiz@94-192-234-22.zone6.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:31 -!- tensorpudding [~user@99.23.122.78] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:37 -!- napsy [~luka@212.235.174.112] has joined #go-nuts 20:41 -!- thomas_b [~thomasb@cm-84.215.47.51.getinternet.no] has joined #go-nuts 20:41 -!- slashus2 [~slashus2@74-137-24-74.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Quit: slashus2] 20:54 < cbeck> Hmm? 21:03 -!- jcao219 [~jcao219@pool-173-74-61-111.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:14 -!- sacho [~sacho@79-100-63-178.btc-net.bg] has joined #go-nuts 21:16 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has joined #go-nuts 21:25 -!- jcao219 [~jcao219@pool-173-74-61-111.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:25 -!- jcao219 [~jcao219@pool-173-74-61-111.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:32 -!- dj2 [~dj2@216.16.242.254] has quit [Quit: dj2] 21:38 -!- tasosos [~tasosos@77.49.120.16.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43 < steven_t> there seem to be a lot of special-cases in Go 21:43 < MizardX> http://ideone.com/gKDF8 <-- Simpler DLL loading, and colors in windows console. :) 21:43 < steven_t> like make() for instance, only works on channels, maps, and strings 21:44 < jcao219> MizardX: cool 21:44 * MaybeSo flees screaming 21:45 < jcao219> windows only or what (i can't understand it much) 21:45 < MizardX> jcao219: Yeah 21:45 < jcao219> k, looks sweet 21:46 -!- scm [justme@d070189.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:48 -!- ericvh [~ericvh@32.97.110.63] has quit [Quit: ericvh] 21:48 -!- scm [justme@d071225.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #go-nuts 21:50 < uriel> steven_t: a lot of specia-cases? uhu? 21:50 -!- tensorpudding [~user@99.23.122.78] has joined #go-nuts 21:52 < uriel> steven_t: other than make()/new() (which if you understand what they do, you would realize are not special cases at all, and anyway this 'issue' wont be around long if you read the proposed language change posted to the gonuts list a week ago or so) 21:53 < steven_t> uriel: well, i dont really understand what make does, not any more than the Effective Go and Go Tutorial guides explain 21:54 < steven_t> and i cant find any more technical guides than that which mention make() 21:56 < exch> take our word for it then :) They are not nearly the same thing and both perform a fundamentally necessary function. There are plans to merge new into make() though, so you'll only have to deal with make() if the change Uriel mentioned, goes through 21:58 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-76-116-182-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 22:09 -!- slashus2 [~slashus2@74-137-24-74.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #go-nuts 22:10 -!- boscop_ [~boscop@g225234097.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 22:11 -!- boscop [~boscop@g225209192.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:12 < steven_t> right 22:13 < steven_t> im just concerned because as you can imagine, im not fond of relying on heresay for information, especially about the details of a programming language, and even worse, the Effective Go guide and Tutorial mention several times that make() only works on maps, slices, and channels 22:14 < steven_t> i do trust that you are right, i just wish i knew where i could look to prove this (besides the source of Go) to myself 22:14 < napsy> check the specs 22:14 < uriel> what napsy said 22:14 < steven_t> http://golang.org/doc/go_spec.html ? 22:14 < Namegduf> steven_t: The reason that make() only works on maps, channels, and what not is because what it does only makes sense for them. 22:15 < Namegduf> Not really a special case. 22:15 < steven_t> i see 22:15 < Namegduf> new() creates a new thing, make() creates a new thing, then sets it up, "making" it. 22:16 < Namegduf> The equivalent thing to make() for non-builtin types is NewType as a function in the package. 22:16 < MaybeSo> steven_t: there is an exceedingly painful thread on the golang-nuts list which you can read for everything you might ever want to know about make() vs new() 22:16 < Namegduf> They are, however, thinking of getting rid of new(), and instead having make() work on pointers. 22:16 -!- jcao219 [~jcao219@pool-173-74-61-111.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:17 -!- jcao219 [~jcao219@pool-173-74-61-111.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:17 < Namegduf> So you can make(*int) to create a pointer to an int, then set it up with a new int to point to. 22:17 < napsy> there's no guessing 22:17 < napsy> just read what the specifications say about new and make 22:19 < steven_t> hmm i should learn about channels next 22:19 < steven_t> no idea what they are but they sound fun ") 22:19 < steven_t> *:) 22:22 -!- jcao219 [~jcao219@pool-173-74-61-111.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:23 -!- rbetts [~rbetts@173-166-80-33-newengland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: rbetts] 22:34 -!- ShadowIce [~pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:37 -!- steveno [~stevenoli@c-24-131-221-195.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:37 -!- steveno [~stevenoli@c-24-131-221-195.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:37 -!- steveno [~stevenoli@paludis/cheerleader/steveno] has joined #go-nuts 22:44 -!- stalled [~stalled@unaffiliated/stalled] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:45 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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