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07:25 < plexdev> http://is.gd/eSLAt by [Rob Pike] in
go/src/pkg/container/list/ -- list: update comment to state that the zero value is
ready to use.
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08:11 < plexdev> http://is.gd/eSOYg by [Andrew Gerrand] in
go/misc/dashboard/builder/ -- misc/dashboard/builder: Go implementation of
continuous build client
08:11 < plexdev> http://is.gd/eSOYk by [Nigel Tao] in 3 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/image/ -- image: introduce Config type and DecodeConfig function, to
decode an
08:11 < plexdev> http://is.gd/eSOYP by [Andrew Gerrand] in
go/misc/dashboard/builder/ -- revert accidental submit of builder.go
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14:05 < joc1985> hi all
14:05 < joc1985> brand new to GO I am trying to use it for class (Parallel
Programming)
14:06 < joc1985> quick question what is teh easiest way to read from
standard input?  Their site is crappy
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14:07 < jnwhiteh> "their site"?
14:07 < jnwhiteh> os.Stdin implements io.Reader
14:07 < jnwhiteh> that's the file descriptor equivalent of the standard
input, so you can use it like you would any other file to get input.
14:08 < joc1985> awesome thanks!
14:08 < jnwhiteh> also:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=site:golang.org+stdin
14:08 < jnwhiteh> would have gotten you fairly far =)
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14:09 < joc1985> did several searches but I am still struglin with
understanding how the file descriptors work and such so I attempted to find an
example and couldn't
14:09 < jnwhiteh> ah, examples are something that are relatively hard to
find =)
14:09 < joc1985> yeah, I've noticed
14:09 < joc1985> I can read the pkg definitions all day but If I don't see
an example its a lot harder for me for some reason
14:10 < jnwhiteh> then perhaps you should pick up the book
14:10 < jnwhiteh> people are too busy playing wiht the language and writing
their own code to organise example snippets =)
14:10 < joc1985> which book you'd recommend?
14:11 < jnwhiteh> there's only one AFAIK, and I haven't even read it so
can't personally recommend it.
14:11 < jnwhiteh> http://www.goprogrammingbook.com/ fwiw
14:11 < joc1985> thanks :-D
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14:13 < kergoth> huh.  didn't realize there was a book
14:13 < nickaugust> how do i convert a string to []uint8 to pass to
file.Write()?
14:14 < bartbes> []uint8()?
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14:15 < jnwhiteh> kergoth: I've been thinking of picking it up, but there's
really no information available about it which makes me wary.
14:15 < jnwhiteh> the reviews on amazon say its not for me =)
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14:16 < jnwhiteh> perhaps I'm biased about online resources due to my own
experience :P
14:16 < kergoth> agreed, that first review is quite worrisome
14:16 < exch> as much as I applaud writing Go books, it seems a bit
fruitless when Go is still in development.  granted, the language itself is pretty
stable and you can elaborate on the Go phylosophy, but still.
14:16 < jnwhiteh> page 53, bizarre
14:16 < kergoth> exch: agreed
14:16 < jnwhiteh> exch: if one started today, I'd support it, but this came
out two months ago.
14:16 < jnwhiteh> I was terribly concerned about the timing then
14:16 < exch> mm
14:17 < jnwhiteh> that being said, I can get it in the UK for £10 new :P
14:17 < joc1985> u can do a quick look insice at amazon
14:17 < kergoth> also, the online information is excellent.  not many
examples, as jnwhiteh mentioned, but Effective Go and the language specification
and tutorial are great imo
14:18 < exch> the package source itself is excellent documentation for me.
the _test.go files usually answer any questions I may have
14:18 * jnwhiteh hugs godoc
14:18 < exch> One of the benefits of Go's minimalist syntax..  it kinda
documents itself :)
14:18 < kergoth> that's a good point.  can also read the various 3rd party
libraries people are producing, though the code isn't always the best :)
14:18 < jnwhiteh> kergoth: followed the discussion on go-luapatterns at all?
=)
14:19 < jnwhiteh> not sure where I want to take it next, but its faster than
regexp and can do non-greedy searches, so I'm happy.
14:19 < kergoth> nice.  not a great deal yet, my lua patterns skills are a
tad rusty after being away from wow for so long :)
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14:20 < nickaugust> bartbes: thx.
14:20 < nickaugust> duh
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15:32 < nickaugust> is there a way to get the number of columns of the
console like $(tput cols) does?
15:32 < nickaugust> in go i mean
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15:35 < MizardX> nickaugust: You could always execute 'tput cols' trough the
shell: os.ForkExec("tput", []string{"cols"}, ...)
15:35 < MizardX> through*
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15:36 < nickaugust> hmm..  that would add ncurses as a dependency
15:38 < bartbes> try $COLUMNS
15:38 < bartbes> (the environment var)
15:40 < nickaugust> bartbes: thanks!  that works here...  is that available
in most enviroments?
15:41 < bartbes> ehm
15:41 < bartbes> no idea
15:44 < MizardX> not windows :P
15:45 < nickaugust> MizardX: ah, who cares?  ;)
15:45 < royger> maybe I'm being really stupid here, but why there is no
math.Round?
15:46 < JBeshir> royger: +0.5, then truncate.
15:46 < JBeshir> For rounding towards positive infinity.
15:47 < JBeshir> I think.
15:47 < JBeshir> Depends on how you truncate.
15:47 < royger> sure, I'm really stupid
15:48 < royger> JBeshir: thanks
15:48 < JBeshir> No problem.
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16:13 < MizardX> What is the convention of using "·" (U+00B7) in CGO source?
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16:26 < MizardX> I am looking through the source for syscalls in windows.  I
see "·entersyscall();" and "·exitsyscall();" on some lines.
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16:40 < royger> how do I use 6prof on Darwin, I've tried 6prof -p
<pid> -t 10 -d 1 and 6prof -t 120 -d 1 wgo program_name
16:41 < royger> the firts one is not valid in darwin, and the 2nd one throws
a panic about mach error semaphore_wait: 16777252
16:42 < royger> and on x86 linux I get: "prof: too many threads; limiting to
0"
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16:55 < royger> Also, I've noticed http.URLEncode doesn't encode $, they
should be replaced by "%24"
16:56 < royger> sorry, http.URLEscape
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17:05 < cbeck> royger: I'm not sure it should be
17:05 < cbeck> rfc1738 specificly exempts $ from needing to be encoded
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18:02 < plexdev> http://is.gd/eTyjM by [Robert Griesemer] in go/test/ --
solitaire: an exercise in backtracking and string conversions
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18:26 < MaybeSo> guh
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18:28 < MaybeSo> does anyone here use the 3rd party httplib ?
18:34 < royger> I'm using io.ReadFull to read data from a net.Conn, but I
receive a "resource temporarily unavailable" error quite often, is there anyway to
avoid this, or it means the connection is closed?
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18:34 < MaybeSo> no, I think that usually means the server simply hasn't
sent the next bucket of bytes to you
18:35 < royger> but what can I do, isn't io.ReadFull supposed to wait untill
it receives all the data it needs?
18:36 < royger> I would like to set a Blocking I/O mode on the socket, so
that it only returns when all the data has been read or EOF is reached
18:38 < MaybeSo> I have to admit I haven't had to do any low level network
reading in go, but have you seen whether or not io/ioutil.ReadAll might do what
you want?
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18:40 < MaybeSo> most code I've seen wraps connections with a bufio reader
18:40 < MaybeSo> (bufio.NewReader())
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18:41 < royger> I'm doing a bittorrent clinet, and I through that having a
buffer on every connection will be too much
18:42 < royger> since I usually have 50-55 active connections
18:42 < cbeck> royger: It seems like buffered is still the way to go,
otherwise you spend all your time in syscalls
18:43 < MaybeSo> you're worried that you'll need too much memory in your
client to maintain that many connections?
18:43 < MaybeSo> you can limit the size of the buffer
18:44 < MaybeSo> but still, it's pretty common to be using 1-4 k buffers for
network data in clients
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18:46 < MizardX> I'm experimenting with dynamicly loading libraries in
Windows.  Can you use unsafe.Reflect() and pass the uintptr directly to
syscall.Syscall()?
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18:48 < royger> MaybeSo: so you recommend me to read from a buffer, and
about writting?  directly to the net.Conn or there is a better way?
18:51 < cbeck> I use a bufio.Writer
18:51 < cbeck> But I'm usually writing strings
18:53 < MaybeSo> personally I'd buffer writes as well, being sure of course
to flush the buffer when appropriate
18:53 < MaybeSo> but as I said, I actually haven't had to do any low level
networking stuff myself in go
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19:27 < steven_t> i cant seem to find this anywhere on the site,
19:27 < steven_t> but im wondering, does Go have keyword-arguments or
optional-arguments to methods/functions?
19:28 < nsf> Go has variable number of arguments for functions
19:28 < MaybeSo> this?
http://golang.org/doc/go_spec.html#Passing_arguments_to_..._parameters
19:28 < nsf> but no keyword args, no default args, etc.
19:28 < steven_t> ah i see
19:28 < nsf> although it can be emulated
19:29 < nsf> I mean keyword args
19:29 < nsf> like in old C:
19:29 < nsf> func Func(...  interface{})
19:29 < nsf> Func(FIELD1, var1, FIELD2, var2, FIELD3, var3)
19:29 < nsf> where FIELD* is a constant
19:29 < nsf> and var* the actual value
19:30 < nsf> in function you can map those as they are key=value arguments
19:31 < nsf> or you can use strings instead of consts
19:31 < nsf> the only drawback that it's not typechecked
19:31 < steven_t> im way too new to Go to understand what you're saying
19:31 < steven_t> but thanks
19:31 < steven_t> bbl, reading more Go docs
19:31 < nsf> :D
19:31 * steven_t flips to the section on slices to understand wth they are and how
they relate to python lists or ruby arrays
19:32 < steven_t> btw wow, i love the way varargs work in Go vs C
19:32 < steven_t> much more like in ruby or python <3
19:32 * steven_t shudders from memories of using varargs in C
19:33 < nsf> well they preserve type information
19:33 < nsf> unlike in C
19:33 < nsf> which is good of course
19:33 < steven_t> yes
19:33 < nsf> but they can be a bit slower though
19:33 < steven_t> thats fine with me
19:33 < steven_t> (i use ruby lol)
19:33 < nsf> :D
19:33 < MaybeSo> I like a lot of the Go syntax, I think they made it really
easy to use and really straight forward.  I had to spend a day writing perl code
and I was *so* glad to get back to Go.
19:34 < steven_t> lol
19:34 < steven_t> any of yall use Go for work yet?
19:34 < nsf> yep, I'm glad that I forgot how to read Perl
19:34 < steven_t> :D
19:34 * steven_t bbls for real this time
19:34 * steven_t is so tired
19:34 < MaybeSo> I do, it's a small thing, but it's in production
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19:49 < plexdev> http://is.gd/eTGid by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/goinstall/
-- goinstall: assume go binaries are in path
19:49 < plexdev> http://is.gd/eTGik by [Russ Cox] in go/src/ -- build:
implement NOINSTALL=1 for Make.ccmd
19:58 < steven_t> it seems with the flexibility of Go's for keyword, that it
should be named something different
19:58 < steven_t> like 'loop'
19:58 < nsf> for is the most widely used keyword for loops
19:59 < steven_t> right
19:59 < steven_t> im just saying, it seems that in Go it should be called
'loop', not 'for'
19:59 < nsf> I guess it's just for the same reason as the "*" for pointers
19:59 < steven_t> right
19:59 < nsf> it just looks familiar :)
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20:08 < steven_t> man
20:08 < steven_t> this is getting really confusing
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20:54 < cbeck> Hmm?
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21:43 < steven_t> there seem to be a lot of special-cases in Go
21:43 < MizardX> http://ideone.com/gKDF8 <-- Simpler DLL loading, and
colors in windows console.  :)
21:43 < steven_t> like make() for instance, only works on channels, maps,
and strings
21:44 < jcao219> MizardX: cool
21:44 * MaybeSo flees screaming
21:45 < jcao219> windows only or what (i can't understand it much)
21:45 < MizardX> jcao219: Yeah
21:45 < jcao219> k, looks sweet
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21:50 < uriel> steven_t: a lot of specia-cases?  uhu?
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21:52 < uriel> steven_t: other than make()/new() (which if you understand
what they do, you would realize are not special cases at all, and anyway this
'issue' wont be around long if you read the proposed language change posted to the
gonuts list a week ago or so)
21:53 < steven_t> uriel: well, i dont really understand what make does, not
any more than the Effective Go and Go Tutorial guides explain
21:54 < steven_t> and i cant find any more technical guides than that which
mention make()
21:56 < exch> take our word for it then :) They are not nearly the same
thing and both perform a fundamentally necessary function.  There are plans to
merge new into make() though, so you'll only have to deal with make() if the
change Uriel mentioned, goes through
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22:12 < steven_t> right
22:13 < steven_t> im just concerned because as you can imagine, im not fond
of relying on heresay for information, especially about the details of a
programming language, and even worse, the Effective Go guide and Tutorial mention
several times that make() only works on maps, slices, and channels
22:14 < steven_t> i do trust that you are right, i just wish i knew where i
could look to prove this (besides the source of Go) to myself
22:14 < napsy> check the specs
22:14 < uriel> what napsy said
22:14 < steven_t> http://golang.org/doc/go_spec.html ?
22:14 < Namegduf> steven_t: The reason that make() only works on maps,
channels, and what not is because what it does only makes sense for them.
22:15 < Namegduf> Not really a special case.
22:15 < steven_t> i see
22:15 < Namegduf> new() creates a new thing, make() creates a new thing,
then sets it up, "making" it.
22:16 < Namegduf> The equivalent thing to make() for non-builtin types is
NewType as a function in the package.
22:16 < MaybeSo> steven_t: there is an exceedingly painful thread on the
golang-nuts list which you can read for everything you might ever want to know
about make() vs new()
22:16 < Namegduf> They are, however, thinking of getting rid of new(), and
instead having make() work on pointers.
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22:17 < Namegduf> So you can make(*int) to create a pointer to an int, then
set it up with a new int to point to.
22:17 < napsy> there's no guessing
22:17 < napsy> just read what the specifications say about new and make
22:19 < steven_t> hmm i should learn about channels next
22:19 < steven_t> no idea what they are but they sound fun ")
22:19 < steven_t> *:)
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