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01:00 < nikki93> Is there more documentation other than the stuff on the
go-lang site?
01:00 < nikki93> I mean some books or papers or something?  Something that
talks about the language more exhaustively maybe?
01:01 < nsf> what are you missing?  golang.org has pretty much everything
you need to know + sources of the compiler + sources of other apps written in Go
anywere on the web
01:02 < nikki93> Maybe something more about the 'design' or how to think
about writing apps in Go more than actual language docs...
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01:03 < nikki93> But I guess I first have to learn more about the language
itself by playing with it a little more.  :)
01:03 < nsf> no one writes that kind of stuff really (except the OOP people,
but they are weird), just read others' sources (especially the std lib) and try to
figure out by yourself
01:03 < nikki93> The thing is, I want to do stuff in Go because I like the
'interface' and 'channel' ideas a lot, but I'm afraid I'll just end up coding in
my C or C++ style and not really do it the 'Go way'.
01:04 < nsf> but that's ok
01:04 < nsf> if C/C++ style works, why not
01:04 < nsf> I do that a bit
01:04 < nsf> and trying to add new Goish stuff
01:05 < exch> You'll probably get more familiar with the 'go way' as you go
along.  My code style changed considerably since I started playing with Go
01:07 < cbeck> Likewise
01:07 < nikki93> Cool.
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01:07 < nikki93> I was thinking of redoing an interpreter for a stack-based
programming language called 'nscript' I was working on in C -
http://github.com/nikki93/nscript
01:08 < nikki93> Part of the problem was memory management, ie., a lot of
times I was malloc'ing things and deciding when to free them was tricky.  It seems
Go's garbage collection can help with this.  :)
01:08 < plexdev> http://is.gd/f9olT by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/fmt/ --
fmt.Fscan: use UnreadRune to preserve data across calls.
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01:30 < exch> <3 stack based languages
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01:31 < exch> I made a few of those myself.  I'm hardly an expert in this
stuff, but it's fun with Go :)
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01:38 < exch> speaking of which, someone dared me to write a somewhat
non-trivial program in my 'script language'.  Added this just a few mins ago :)
http://github.com/jteeuwen/gvm/blob/master/testdata/pizza.gvm
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01:38 < exch> There's probably some room for improvement there, but
considering it's 4am I can't complain ;)
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01:41 < nsf> omg, looks more like an assembly than a scripting language
01:42 < exch> basically it's a simplified version of the instructions the VM
understands
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01:42 < nsf> well, it's plain VM commands, yes..  sorry :)
01:42 < nsf> misunderstood a bit
01:42 < exch> almost :)
01:42 < exch> it has a few simlpifications to make writing less painful
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01:43 < nsf> assembly is done that way too
01:43 < nsf> it's a reflection of machine commands with few simplifications
:)
01:43 < exch> the VM has no PUSH instruction, but in order to make dealing
with literals less painfull, the compiler understands and converts it under the
hood
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01:44 < exch> the real mindf*ck of this beauty is keeping track of the stack
state while you write :)
01:44 < nsf> )
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01:45 < exch> I was considering a somewhat more highlevel scripting
language, but to be honest I kinda like the esotheric nature of this :p
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02:13 < vsmatck> I don't understand this.  http://golang.org/cmd/gopack/ I'm
trying to put multiple objects in an archive and gopack tells me "gopack: multiple
Go object files"
02:14 < vsmatck> I'm using the command "gopack grc pkg/proto.a
pkg/proto/func.go.1.o pkg/proto/main.go.1.o"
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02:19 < nsf> gopack can't actually pack multiple Go object files
02:19 < joc1985> hi all, anyone know of an easy way to format screen output
on Go?
02:19 < nsf> it can pack Go object file and few C object files though
02:19 < nsf> vsmatck: you have to compile your Go sources to a single Go
object file
02:19 < vsmatck> nsf: oh!  *tries*
02:20 < nsf> vsmatck: maybe I'm not exactly right about that, but something
like that :)
02:20 < vsmatck> nsf: Sure enough.  That works.  Thanks man.
02:21 < nsf> joc1985: what do you mean?  there is an fmt package which
contains Printf and friends
02:22 < joc1985> nsf I was just wondering if there was something bit easier.
I need to output a table and with prinft its a lot of \t*****\t etc..
02:23 < nsf> I think Printf can do that, there are field lenghts and other
stuff, but if it's not enough you can always do it manually it's pretty simple
02:25 < joc1985> right now I have something like this which I don't think is
very good but maybe its the way to do it.
02:25 < joc1985> strDisplay
:="***********************************************************\n"
02:25 < joc1985> strDisplay +="*\t\tO(n)\t*\tO(n^2)\t*\tO(n^3)\t*\n"
02:25 < joc1985> strDisplay
+="***********************************************************\n"
02:25 < joc1985> then I do printf("%s")
02:26 < nsf> why don't you use spaces other than tabs?
02:26 < nsf> also Go has mutliline string literals: ``
02:26 < joc1985> would it make a difference?
02:26 < nsf> nope
02:26 < nsf> but it will look better
02:27 < nsf> :)
02:27 < joc1985> Oh got it I dind't know about the multiline string
literals, does that mean that a \n is taken literally when I hit ENTER?
02:27 < nsf> yes
02:27 < joc1985> oh sweet!  That's going to be much easier!  Thanks!!!
02:28 < nsf> I can write an example if you tell me what exactly do you need
to print in a table
02:30 < joc1985> basically header "Exec Type" Column1 o(n) column2 o(n^2)
column3 o(n^3) column 4
02:30 < joc1985> after that "1 Thread" 888888 887767 99999
02:31 < joc1985> etc..
02:31 < joc1985> I hope that made sense
02:31 < nsf> I see, I'll do that
02:31 < nsf> wait a sec :)
02:31 < joc1985> THANKS :-D
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02:43 < nsf> almost finished
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02:43 < joc1985> haha thanks no problem
02:44 < joc1985> I really appreciate it!  :-D
02:48 < nsf> http://gist.github.com/578445
02:48 < nsf> hopefully your terminal supports unicode well
02:48 < nsf> I did a bit of unicode box drawing there :)
02:48 < joc1985> THANKS!!!!!
02:48 < joc1985> U rock
02:49 < nsf> np
02:49 < joc1985> that is wayyy better than what I was trying to do
02:49 < joc1985> THANKS again!
02:49 < nsf> :)
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02:52 < joc1985> just test it, IT IS FANTASTIC!!!
02:53 < joc1985> for { fmt.Printf("Thank you NSF!!") }
02:53 < joc1985> LoL
02:56 < nsf> again, no problem, I was boring anyway
02:58 < joc1985> LoL wanna finish my HW? JK
02:59 < nsf> no, thanks :)
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03:05 < joc1985> nsf do you know if GO can work with openMPI C library?  or
C libraries in general?
03:05 < nsf> it should be able to work with any C library
03:05 < nsf> but binding process is rather painful
03:06 < nsf> and boring..
03:06 < nsf> :)
03:06 < joc1985> LoL
03:06 < joc1985> all right i'll investigate
03:06 < joc1985> thanks!
03:06 < joc1985> I am trying to use openMPI
03:06 < nsf> search ML and docs for 'cgo'
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03:06 < joc1985> ok will do
03:06 < joc1985> thanks
03:07 < nsf> but I don't think that it's a good idea
03:08 < nsf> openmpi is threaded itself and Go has unique concurrency model
03:08 < nsf> mixing two together isn't the best way to spend some time of
this life
03:08 < nsf> imho
03:09 < joc1985> hahah its a project I have to do, using OpenMPI and its
either use GO or C I may use C but I was just curious.  At least I will use GO for
the rest of the projects
03:09 < nsf> but I haven't used openmpi, so..  maybe I'm totally wrong
03:09 < nsf> i don't really familiar with details :)
03:10 < nsf> i'm not*
03:11 < joc1985> ok cool, thanks
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03:28 < joc1985> are slices passed by reference or by copy?
03:28 < joc1985> when I call a function with []int it appears that the
original content gets modified
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03:31 < nsf> slice is a: struct { void *data; int length; int capacity; }
03:31 < nsf> in C terms
03:31 < nsf> on x86 it takes 12 bytes
03:31 < nsf> so..  it is copied by reference
03:31 < nsf> or more correctly
03:31 < nsf> slice is a reference :)
03:32 < nsf> s/copied/passed/
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03:42 < plexdev> http://is.gd/f9yZZ by [Andrew Gerrand] in go/doc/ -- doc:
fix typo in Programming FAQ
03:43 < joc1985> cool thanks
03:44 < joc1985> if I have a go routine(x) insidea loop for i := 0; i <
NumberProcessors; i++ {
03:44 < joc1985> go func(x)
03:44 < joc1985> }
03:44 < joc1985> how do I best wait for all routines to be done?
03:45 < joc1985> any way to do someting like while (routines running)
sleep)()
03:45 < nsf> pass a channel to that goroutine
03:45 < nsf> and when it's done it should send something to that channel
03:45 < nsf> and they you will write a loop in the main goroutine
03:45 < nsf> that waits for NumberProcessors values from that channel
03:45 < nsf> wait, I'll make a quick exa
03:45 < nsf> example for you
03:46 < joc1985> thanks :)
03:48 < nsf> joc1985: http://gist.github.com/578496
03:48 < joc1985> THANKS
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04:01 < joc1985> when you call a go routine and you want to return something
do you have to use a channel?
04:02 < nsf> I believe you don't have to, but it is a preferred way
04:02 < cbeck> That or shared memory, but a channel is much more idiomatic
04:02 < joc1985> so if I have
04:03 < joc1985> sortedArrays := make([]ArrayList, NumberProcessors)
04:03 < joc1985> go
SortList(numberVector[startPt:(int(len(newSlice)/NumberProcessors)*(i+1))],
&found,done)
04:03 < joc1985> how do I push the return value of SortList into
sortedArrays[i]
04:04 < joc1985> *ArrayList is a stuct type I declared which contains an
array of ints
04:04 < nsf> well in your case you know that noone else will use that array
04:05 < nsf> you can simply pass a slice of one element to the goroutinea
04:05 < nsf> and apply a value to it
04:05 < nsf> or even the link to the array itself
04:05 < nsf> anyway..  in that case it's ok to use shared memory imho
04:07 < joc1985> so passing sortedArrays to the go routine and then assign
whatever to sortedArrays[i] array?
04:07 < nsf> sortedArrays is a slice of slices
04:07 < nsf> right?
04:07 < nsf> then you can simply pass sortedArrays[i]
04:08 < nsf> because you're filling it and not something else
04:08 < joc1985> oh ok I get it now
04:08 < joc1985> thanks
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04:47 < joc1985> will shared memory prevent go from using multiple
processors?
04:47 < cbeck> no
04:49 < joc1985> i am running go sort() on 2 threads with
runtime.GOMAXPROCS(2) and it doesn't seem to be using both processors any idea why
it wouldn't?
04:49 < cbeck> Hmm, can't say
04:50 < joc1985> ok cool thanks
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05:00 < joc1985> thanks for all your help guys, off to bed!!  Thanks again!
snf, cbeck ! :)
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07:30 < plexdev> http://is.gd/f9Oyh by [Rob Pike] in go/ -- CLA for
Sebastien Binet
07:30 < plexdev> http://is.gd/f9Oyj by [Sebastien Binet] in
go/src/pkg/exp/eval/ -- Preliminary support for 'copy' builtin function in
exp/eval
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09:14 < Gertm> when building go it downloads google.com/robots.txt, it fails
here because I'm behind a proxy.  How can I resolve this?
09:14 < Gertm> exporting http_proxy didn't help
09:16 * Gertm notices the topic
09:16 < Gertm> nevermind me!
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11:59 < hokapoka> I just closed an issue accidently on github, is there a
way to undo it?
12:02 < hokapoka> oh, I don't know how I missed the "open" option in the
dropdown.
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14:06 < bookses> hi all
14:06 < bookses> glad to meet you
14:06 < bookses> I have got a problem
14:06 < bookses> When I tried to install google go on debian 6 testing
14:07 < bookses> As my network is slow, it can't pass the http test after
compling
14:07 < bookses> So how to bypass the test?
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14:08 <+iant> bookses: set DISABLE_NET_TESTS=1 in your environment
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14:08 < bookses> export DISABLE_NET_TESTS=1 ?
14:08 <+iant> if you get to the point of running the tests, the compiler and
libraries are all fully installed and can be used
14:08 <+iant> yes
14:08 < bookses> Thanks a lot
14:11 < bookses> Well, all.bash seems to do make clean
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14:11 < nsf> bookses: there is also make.bash
14:11 < nsf> that doesn't run tests
14:12 < bookses> just execute make.bash?
14:12 < bookses> I don't want to do make clean......  on my old laptop...
14:12 < nsf> I'm not sure
14:12 < bookses> just make install....
14:13 <+iant> I advise not spending time fighting with the build system in
order to save time
14:13 < nsf> bookses: yes, it looks like make.bash is enough
14:14 < nsf> bookses: but it will run clean.bash also
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14:15 < bookses> Can go run on openbsd?
14:15 < bookses> openbsd 4.7
14:16 < bookses> freebsd 8.1
14:16 <+iant> bookses: there is a freebsd port but not an openbsd one
14:16 < bookses> freebsd seems fine
14:16 <+iant> I don't know how much the freebsd port would have to change to
run on openbsd
14:16 < nbjoerg> a lot
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14:37 < pancake> do Go supports arm-linux?  im trying to compile in n900
(debian base) but i had to hack some .bash files and still fails in build with
redeclarations of weird symbols
14:38 <+iant> Go should support ARM Linux but I think there is currently
some build bug
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14:38 < nbjoerg> there's at least one critical bug open, yes
14:38 < pancake> any working revision?
14:38 <+iant> Rob says this patch may help:
http://codereview.appspot.com/2103048
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14:38 < pancake> as far as I read in build scripts there's no support for
arm-darwin
14:39 < pancake> yep, libmach is the one that fails, letme check that patch
14:39 <+iant> I don't think anybody has ever tried ARM Darwin
14:39 < pancake> is there any guide for porting?  im interested on this port
14:40 <+iant> I don't know of any guide
14:40 <+iant> how different is ARM Darwin from x86 Darwin?
14:40 <+iant> with luck all the pieces are there and just need to be
shuffled a bit
14:40 < pancake> it's iOS/iphoneos, afaik is the same, but different cpu
14:40 < pancake> same for darwin/ppc
14:40 < pancake> uhm interesting
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14:41 < pancake> will check someday and report if i get any success
14:42 < nbjoerg> iant: on what API level?
14:42 <+iant> I don't understand the question
14:42 < nbjoerg> the higher level GUI API is very different
14:42 < nbjoerg> not sure about the syscall level
14:43 <+iant> for Go it's the syscall level which matters
14:43 <+iant> Go doesn't implement any of the GUI stuff anyhow yet
14:43 < nbjoerg> unless you want to use some bindings
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14:43 < pancake> but are syscalls hardwritten for each arch/os, or it gets
the values from the include files of the system?
14:43 < nbjoerg> given the limitations of the iOS SDKs, I wouldn't be
surprised if the syscall API is quite different
14:44 < nbjoerg> pancake: semi-handwritten
14:44 < pancake> nbjoerg: i dont use the ios sdk
14:44 <+iant> there is a script which generates the syscall info
14:44 < pancake> i have my own build of gcc natively
14:44 <+iant> semi-handwritten is a good word
14:44 < nbjoerg> there are scripts to build the syscall table and a bunch of
type mappnigs
14:44 < nbjoerg> but it isn't fully automated
14:44 < pancake> obj.c:216: warning: comparison is always false due to
limited range of data type
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14:47 < pancake> the rsc patch for arm doesnt fixes the build
14:47 < pancake> it just fixes some errors, but still there
14:47 <+iant> is there an existing issue for this?
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14:48 < bookses> Can I do socket programming in go ?
14:48 <+iant> sure
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14:49 < bookses> I don't see any text about that...
14:49 < pancake> oh, there's a all-arm.bash :/
14:49 < pancake> this build system looks a bit weird to me
14:49 < pancake> is there a way to avoid rebuilding everything all the time?
14:49 <+iant> bookses: http://golang.org/pkg/net/
14:50 <+iant> pancake: yes, you should definitely use all-arm.bash; no,
there is no way to avoid rebuilding everything, but it doesn't take long
14:50 <+iant> I should say there is no easy way to avoid rebuilding
everything
14:50 < pancake> iant: depends on the hardware.  in embeddeds and old boxes
it is not small time
14:51 < pancake> my nowadays box is a 5years old laptop, and the rest are
pocket devices, so not fast :)
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14:52 < pancake> fails too with all-arm
14:52 < pancake> smoke time
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15:21 < plexdev> http://is.gd/fanLK by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/cmd/ -- 6l, 8l: make etext accurate; introduce rodata, erodata.
15:21 < plexdev> http://is.gd/fanLS by [Russ Cox] in 3 subdirs of
go/src/cmd/ -- tabs
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15:59 < bookses> gopack grc _test/netchan.a _gotest_.8
15:59 < bookses> make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/john/go/src/pkg/netchan'
15:59 < bookses> --- FAIL: netchan.TestExportSendImportReceive
15:59 < bookses> new exporter: listen tcp 127.0.0.1:0: invalid argument
15:59 < bookses> --- FAIL: netchan.TestExportReceiveImportSend
15:59 < bookses> new exporter: listen tcp 127.0.0.1:0: invalid argument
15:59 < bookses> --- FAIL: netchan.TestClosingExportSendImportReceive
15:59 < bookses> new exporter: listen tcp 127.0.0.1:0: invalid argument
15:59 < bookses> --- FAIL: netchan.TestExportDrain
15:59 < bookses> new exporter: listen tcp 127.0.0.1:0: invalid argument
15:59 < bookses> --- FAIL: netchan.TestExportSync
15:59 < bookses> new exporter: listen tcp 127.0.0.1:0: invalid argument
15:59 < jnwhiteh> that was unnecessary.
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16:00 < bookses> I want to bypass all tests.............
16:00 < jnwhiteh> bookses: well first, don't barge into a channel and paste
10 lines of text, everl.
16:00 < jnwhiteh> Paste it on one of the 'pastey' sites instead.
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16:00 < jnwhiteh> You also didn't need to paste anything, its a well known
problem with the netchan tests.
16:01 < bookses> sorry
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16:01 < jnwhiteh> I believe you can run ./make.bash
16:01 < jnwhiteh> instead of ./all.bash
16:01 < bookses> make.bash will still install go ?
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16:01 < jnwhiteh> yes
16:02 < bookses> ok, I'll try
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16:12 < bookses> anyway, make.bash succesfully
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16:15 < bookses> hello.go:3: can't find import: fmt ?
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16:43 < cbeck> bookses: Is your $GOROOT set?
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16:44 < bookses> yes
16:44 < bookses> $HOME/go
16:46 < cbeck> try to stat $GOROOT/pkg/$GOOS_$GOARCH/fmt.a
16:48 < bookses> well, I'm updating my debian, and try to recompile go, I'll
try it in few minutes
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17:26 < bookses> after a long wait, I installed new debian 6 patches, and
all go fine.
17:26 < bookses> including google go
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17:57 < The_Cog> If one go-routine blocks on an IO call like a socket read,
does that block other go-routines?  I ask because I read that happens in stackless
python.
17:57 <+iant> No, it does not block other go-routine
17:57 < The_Cog> thanks
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18:00 < Gertm> is the gccgo compiler the better one, or do I use the 6/8g/l
ones?
18:01 <+iant> I would say that at present gccgo generates somewhat better
code, but it's a lot simpler to build and use the 6g/8g compilers
18:01 < Gertm> I'll start with those then
18:01 <+iant> building gccgo is doable but does require some experience
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18:19 < cbeck> Does gccgo have gc yet?  I havn't been keeping up
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18:24 < plexdev> http://is.gd/faCt1 by [Robert Griesemer] in
go/src/cmd/godoc/ -- godoc: better support for directory trees for user-defined
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18:25 <+iant> cbeck: yes, gccgo now has garbage collection
18:28 < cbeck> Ah, cool, I'll have to give it a spin
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go/src/cmd/godoc/ -- godoc documentation: fixed typo, more precise comment
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21:14 < plexdev> http://is.gd/faOQ2 by [Robert Griesemer] in
go/src/cmd/godoc/ -- godoc: use correct delay time (bug fix)
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21:22 < pancake> how can I refer the current lambda?  i want to pass a
lambda as an argument to a function called inside the lambda
21:22 <+iant> you can't refer to it directly, you have to name it
21:23 < pancake> ok
21:24 <+iant> type F func() F
21:24 <+iant> var f F
21:24 <+iant> f = func() F { return f }
21:25 < pancake> ok i get it
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21:59 < pancake> is there something similar to GWT for Go?
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22:30 < pancake> scgi.go:118: cannot use &tmp (type *[1024]uint8) as type
[]uint8 in function argument
22:30 < pancake> uhm, any idea?
22:31 < pancake> var tmp [1024]byte; n, err := fd.Read(byte(tmp))
22:31 < jesusaurus> it looks like you are trying to use a pointer to an
array as a slice
22:33 < pancake> cannot convert tmp (type [1024]uint8) to type []uint8
22:33 < pancake> why this conversion is not possible?
22:33 < jesusaurus> what does byte(tmp) return, and what does Read() expect
as an argument?
22:34 < pancake> should be []byte(tmp)
22:34 < pancake> but [1024]uint8 and []uint8 should be compatible
22:35 < pancake> func (s *SectionReader) Read(p []byte) (n int, err
os.Error)
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22:44 < cbeck> pancake: because they're different beasts, if you want to
convert an array to a slice use slice := array[0:]
22:46 < pancake> ok
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22:52 < pancake> is there a function to slurp the contents of a file into a
byte[] or string?
22:54 < jessta> pancake: ioutil.ReadAll() will do that
22:55 < jessta> http://golang.org/pkg/io/ioutil/#ReadAll
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23:00 < pancake> how would be the import?
23:00 < pancake> oh done, sry
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23:02 < pancake> cool!  :)
23:02 < pancake> nite
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