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00:01 < crazy2be> uh?
00:02 < scyth> in your code, MediaSgroup is declared somewhere...
00:02 < scyth> it has to be, if you wanna use it
00:02 < crazy2be> Oh, this is in the template file
00:02 < crazy2be> are you familiar with the template library?
00:02 < scyth> nope
00:03 < crazy2be> heh
00:03 < crazy2be> well i pass a Photo to the template library
00:03 < crazy2be> And then i can access the fields of it in the template
file
00:04 < crazy2be> So like i do
00:04 < crazy2be> <img src="{MediaSgroup.MediaScontent[0].Url}"
alt="{Summary.ST}" />
00:04 < crazy2be> The Summary.ST part works, but not the MediaSgroup...
part
00:04 < scyth> sec
00:05 < scyth> what did you print exactly above?  <crazy2be> scyth:
Well, printing it with %+v gives me...
00:06 < scyth> what variable?
00:06 < crazy2be> THe one i pass to the template package
00:06 < scyth> which is...  what?  how do you call it
00:06 < scyth> it doesn't match your structure
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00:07 < scyth> {Title:{ST:Untitled Album Type:text} Summary:{ST:Just a test
Type:text} MediaSgroup:{MediaScontent
00:07 < scyth> so
00:07 < scyth> try using
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00:08 < scyth> you don't have MediaSgroup element in your Photo struct on
pastie
00:08 < scyth> ah..  tabs
00:08 < scyth> sorry
00:08 < crazy2be> Yeah :P
00:08 < crazy2be> it messed up because of that
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00:12 < scyth> MediaScontent []*PhotoItem;
00:12 < scyth> try this
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00:18 < crazy2be> No change
00:19 < crazy2be> I think the issue is in dealing with slices
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00:22 < bfrank> is the play stuff in the repo?
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01:47 < crazy2be> anyone have any example code using the template package?
01:47 < crazy2be> preferably using slices/arrays, but that's not a
requirement
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01:59 < crazy2be> Hmm template doesn't seem to like additional qualifiers on
the @ identifier
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08:25 < Bombe> I somehow can not compile Go. It aborts when assembling
linux/amd64/sys.s: http://pastebin.org/1201439
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08:43 < diegoviola> hi
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09:42 < diegoviola> go will replace java?  ;)
09:48 < Bombe> Sure, right after you have been replaced by a broken
typewriter.
09:50 < diegoviola> did i touched you a nerve or something?
09:51 < Bombe> Not at all.  Why are people so insistent on things replacing
other things?  Especially things that have nothing to do with each other?
09:53 < diegoviola> yeah, that is a good point
09:53 < diegoviola> does Go has libraries to do database work, GUI apps, web
apps, etc?
09:54 < napsy> sure
09:54 < napsy> diegoviola: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/library-bindings
09:55 < diegoviola> Bombe: I don't want things to be replaced or Java to be
replaced
09:56 < Bombe> Oh, then I must have understood “go will replace java?  ;)”
completely wrong and I have to apologize.
09:56 < diegoviola> I just hope that languages like Go make a change in the
computing industry, I mean, most jobs nowadays all ask for .Net or Java experience
09:56 < Bombe> And it will stay that way for quite some time, probably.
09:57 < Bombe> Because Java and .NET are here now, and they are proven to
work.
09:57 < diegoviola> yeah apologies for that :)
09:57 < diegoviola> I was kidding
09:57 < diegoviola> anyways
09:57 * araujo writing a small scripting language too
09:58 < melba> diegoviola, no jokes, this is the internet
09:58 < melba> srs bsns
09:58 < Bombe> :)
09:59 < diegoviola> :)
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10:16 < uriel> Bombe: I'm not really that interested in seeing java replaced
10:17 < uriel> Bombe: more in seeing it killed, its corpse thrown to the
dogs, then the dogs burned, and the ashes thrown into a supper massive black hole
10:19 < uriel> and java and .net are 'proven to work' in the same sense that
communism is proven to work in North Korea
10:24 < diegoviola> it's fine if java and .net are proven to work, but i
would like to see more options, say Go being required in jobs and more options
like that, more flexibility :)
10:26 < diegoviola> i understand that most companies can't take the risk of
using new languages and tools though
10:27 < diegoviola> uriel: why do you hate java so much?
10:27 < diegoviola> or why you don't like it...
10:27 < Namegduf> "proven to work" is a really low line for quality.
10:28 < diegoviola> i agree
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10:30 < diegoviola> sometimes new tools are better and more stable than the
old tools that are "proven to work", but sometimes some people just don't see
that, they go with the tools that have been used for long and are "proven to work"
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10:39 < nsf> hehe, I've never used java, but regarding .NET I can say that
it's one of the most horrible language libraries I've ever seen
10:40 < nsf> the VM itself it fine though
10:40 < nsf> is*
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10:46 < diegoviola> yeah i've used the vm and some libs with other languages
but not the java language itself
10:46 < diegoviola> jvm, not .net
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10:51 < uriel> diegoviola: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/java
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10:54 < diegoviola> lol
10:54 * diegoviola reading...
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16:28 < fenicks> hello
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16:56 < mpl> hi.  can I initialize a map directly with values instead of
with make?
16:57 < mpl> ah yes, with a composite literal, nm.
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17:40 < nsf> hehe, an interesting fact: lately I've been learning ruby and
rewrote a script that runs tests for gocode in it: http://gist.github.com/595319
but now I decided to write the same thing in Go and compare performance and here
it is: http://gist.github.com/598145
17:40 < nsf> maybe not very beautiful, but works
17:40 < nsf> their performance is one to one
17:41 < nsf> 1.090 secs for running all 29 tests for gocode
17:41 < nsf> even though I've written Go version without a single mistake
(compiled and running successfully)
17:41 < nsf> ruby thing kinda looks better :)
17:42 < nsf> I guess there is the best tool for each task
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17:59 < nickaugust> nsf: i dont know where you find the time :)
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18:00 < nsf> nickaugust: to do what?
18:00 < nickaugust> for all these projects i mean
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18:01 < nsf> most of them are really small
18:02 < mpl> I'm more amazed at how much time ppl can waste over
trivialities on the go-nuts list, or just writing about their life there...
18:02 < nsf> :D
18:03 < nsf> well known fact
18:03 < nsf> people talk too much
18:03 < nsf> :)
18:03 < Namegduf> I know, particularly on certain subjects.
18:03 < nsf> or in this era "talk" should be replaced with "communicate"
18:03 < Namegduf> I've started writing a reply a number of times, but then
decided that I should just stay out of it.
18:03 < cbeck> I don't know that a whole lot of it can be really classed as
communication
18:04 < cbeck> Namegduf: likewise
18:04 < mpl> my turn.  I've just finished a little go-gtk app that takes as
input the signal coming from a labview program to display various astronomical
images, and I'm pretty happy about that.  :)
18:04 < Namegduf> Neat.
18:07 < mpl> the setup is pretty horrible.  as I am stubborn and wanted to
do that in go, the gtk part has to run on windows.  while the labview program has
to run on windows (because installing labview + the drivers for the device on
linux is a nightmare).  so what I do is I have the output of one sent to the input
of the other through a netcat, with the go-gtk program running in a virtualbox.
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18:07 < mpl> s/has to run on windows/has to run on linux/ obviously.
18:08 < mpl> </ spilling my life>
18:08 < nsf> hehe, I'm thinking a lot about that lately
18:08 < nsf> because apparently Go will not have shared libraries
18:08 < mpl> about what?
18:08 < mpl> about windows compat?
18:08 < nsf> apps communication :)
18:08 < Namegduf> I think Go's going to have them in gccgo eventually.
18:09 < mpl> yeah, that netcat trick saved my life, I'm so happy I could get
away with that.
18:09 < Namegduf> Well, maybe just dynamic libraries, not shared libraries.
18:09 < vsmatck> Until Go does the LGPL will be equivalent to the GPL as far
as Go is concerned.
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18:09 < vsmatck> Which could be a problem for freedom haters.  :)
18:09 < nsf> Namegduf: interesting point
18:09 < Namegduf> That is a side effect.
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18:10 < mpl> only problem is gtk + big images in memory + virtualbox =
fuckton of memory.  so it won't run on a 512MB laptop.
18:10 < Namegduf> Who are the freedom haters?
18:10 < Namegduf> The LGPL-but-not-GPL fans, or GPL varient fans in general?
18:10 < Namegduf> It's hard to tell with all the versions of the word
freedom out there.
18:10 < mpl> as long as they leave the fries alone...  ;)
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18:11 < vsmatck> Namegduf: I was just making a bad joke.  But I guess in the
context of my joke freedom haters would be those who don't want to GPL their Go
program to use a LGPL library.  *shrug*
18:11 * vsmatck has bad sense of humor.
18:11 < Namegduf> Aha.
18:12 < Namegduf> I don't actually care about freedom at all as a general
thing, the only thing I dislike is condition attached to usage through measures
outside of copyright.
18:12 < Namegduf> *conditions
18:13 < vsmatck> Oh like GPLv3 tivoization stuff?
18:13 < Namegduf> More like EULAs.
18:14 < nbjoerg> well
18:14 < nbjoerg> strictly speaking, the GPL is more like an EULA than most
other licenses
18:14 < Namegduf> It isn't remotely EULA-like.
18:14 < vsmatck> I don't think I've ever read a EULA in my life so I really
don't know what you guys are talking about.  :)
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18:14 < Namegduf> An EULA applies restrictions to usage of a product, which
sans an EULA can be done without restrictions.
18:15 < nbjoerg> right, just like the GPL :)
18:15 < Namegduf> (As copyright doe not restrict uage)
18:15 < vsmatck> oh oh
18:15 < Namegduf> The GPL does not restrict usage at all- it provides
limited permissions to modify and redistribute, which sans a licence cannot be
done.
18:15 < Namegduf> (As copyright restricts those actions by default)
18:16 < Namegduf> An EULA restricts what you could do compared to a copy
without any legalese at all, the GPL extends it.  Different directions.
18:16 < Namegduf> It's the former I find objectionable.
18:16 < nbjoerg> Namegduf: the GPL restricts what I can do with code *I*
have written
18:16 < Namegduf> And?
18:17 < nbjoerg> that's the part I consider to be very EULA like
18:17 < vsmatck> The thing I most don't like (I think it's probably a EULA
thing) is client access licenses or licenses which only let you use 1 CPU and
artificial crap like that.
18:17 < Namegduf> It might be in a very emotional sense, but it isn't for
any particularly rational reason.
18:17 < nbjoerg> just like the MPEG LA license -- you may use the video
software you bought from Adobe for 500$ for non-commerical use.  otherwise, you
have to buy a new license from us
18:17 < Namegduf> Restricting what you can do with code you write only
applies when the code you write is a derivative work.
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18:18 < nbjoerg> that's the part of the GPL that never has been tested in
court AFAIK
18:18 < nbjoerg> and the GPL definition of derivative work is not the same
as the definition in copyright laws
18:18 < nbjoerg> which makes the GPL more like a contract and less like a
license
18:19 < Namegduf> False.
18:19 < Namegduf> That last line was kinda out there.
18:19 < Namegduf> IIRC the Berne Convention doesn't cover software at all,
so there's no definition in copyright law for the GPL to have a definition like.
18:19 < nbjoerg> Namegduf: of course it does cover software
18:20 < Namegduf> I mean it does not explicitly define a derivative work in
the context of software.
18:20 < nbjoerg> the precise definitions differ between jurisdictions and
are generally more case law than written down
18:20 < nbjoerg> but there is a very practical test
18:21 < nbjoerg> did you write it without copying from other work?
18:21 < nbjoerg> if you do, it is not a derived work
18:21 < Namegduf> At any rate, the GPL by definition can only cover the
definition in copyright law or better.
18:21 < nbjoerg> if it is to be considered a license and not a contract
18:22 < nbjoerg> "better" in this sense means less restrictive, just to be
precise
18:22 < Namegduf> Right.
18:22 < Namegduf> The thing is that such a contract would need to be agreed
to.
18:22 < nbjoerg> like I said, I don't know a single case where this actually
ended up in court anywhere
18:22 < nbjoerg> all GPL violation cases I know are based on the
redistribution clause
18:22 < Namegduf> If you didn't agree to the GPL in some way before/while
getting a copy of the program, you could create your not-legally-a-derivative-work
all you like.
18:23 < Namegduf> And no projects at present force people to "agree" to it,
because it is presented and written as a licence.
18:23 < nbjoerg> simplest example, I write a program that utilizes readline.
I ship my object files and link them at my client
18:23 < nbjoerg> why is my program a derived work of readline?  RMS says it
is
18:24 < Namegduf> The thing is that that's a question of what copyright law
restricts, not a question of what the GPL grants.
18:25 < Namegduf> The GPL would still grant the same things in the same
conditions, it'd just affect what you could do without a licence under copyright
law.
18:25 < nbjoerg> copyright law says my own work is not a derivate of
readline, because I didn't copy from it
18:26 < nbjoerg> [headers are a bit special, but they normally don't qualify
for trivility]
18:26 < Namegduf> Then you can go with that regardless of whatever RMS says
and if he doesn't like it he can take you to court and test it.  :P
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18:26 < nbjoerg> of course, I still would have to (optionally) ship sources
for readline etc
18:26 < nbjoerg> which is the point, everyone sued so far was on
redistribution of (modified) sources
18:27 < Namegduf> Yeah.
18:27 < nbjoerg> anyway, this is off topic :)
18:27 < Namegduf> Heh, yeah, sorry.
18:27 < nbjoerg> just because the channel says we are nuts
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21:11 < dacc> anyone have a copy of a working REPL that doesn't require
readline?
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