--- Log opened Sun Oct 10 00:00:10 2010
00:00 < cbeck> Eh, me too
00:01 < cbeck> It'd be awefully nice if there was something like a range for
readers, but I don't see any generic enough way to do that which would also be
useful.
00:09 < strtok> hrm, i was able to modify the arg to ReadLineIter to take a
io.ReadWriteCloser
00:09 < strtok> i guess that makes it a bit more reusable
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01:19 < Moargun> fdgsdf
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01:24 < cbeck> In..deed?
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03:40 < crazy2be> Any idea how to access a set index of an array with
templates?
03:41 < crazy2be> like obj[2]
03:43 < crazy2be> (that doesn't work)
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04:55 < enferex> anwaysyman
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05:37 < anticw> iant: heh...  gcc[go] requires libmpc now as well
05:38 * anticw wonders if the world would end if a gcc release didn't get slower
and bigger from the previous release?
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05:44 < vsmatck> "there's software people complain about, and software no
one uses." A TON of people complain about GCC.  heh.
05:45 < anticw> gcc is quite wonderful in many ways, but lean it isn't :)
05:46 < anticw> actually, to be fair commercial compilers aren't exactly
lean either these days
05:47 < vsmatck> I like my compilers like I like my women.
05:47 < cbeck> Featureful?
05:47 < enferex> vsmatck: Strict?
05:47 < cbeck> With a lean backend?
05:48 < vsmatck> heh, I was just throwing that out there since people like
to personify things.  I don't actually have anything in mind.
05:48 < enferex> Naw, I think you are a multi-pass kinda man
05:48 < enferex> once isnt't enough
05:48 < cbeck> 7 times like c++ babe
05:49 < enferex> cbeck: Thtas because c++ has to figre out what its
manipulating.
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05:51 < vsmatck> That's what she said.
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06:38 < nsf> hehe, porting lemon is fun
06:43 < nsf> especially the "emulating unions" part
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06:45 < enferex> nsf :-)
06:46 < enferex> so nsf, do you know of any internals doc that explains the
enums used by the nodes in the gc compiler?  I havent found anything
06:46 < enferex> I mean, of course we can reverse things, but if I didnt
have to do that, and avoid making incorrect guesses
06:47 < nsf> why are you asking me?  I have nothing to do with the gc
compiler
06:47 < enferex> Well you seem to have answers for all of my other question
;-)
06:47 < nsf> well, now you know that it's not really true
06:48 < nsf> enferex: compiler is maintained by two programmers (or so), I
guess there are no docs whatsoever
06:48 < enferex> heck it was worth a shot...  thanks anyways
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07:01 < nsf> ((5+10)*4), hm..  looks like binop precedence failure
07:01 < nsf> is it?
07:01 < nsf> strange..
07:04 < nsf> ((5*10)+4)
07:04 < nsf> yep, it is
07:04 < nsf> damn
07:04 < nsf> :(
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07:35 < nsf> argh..
07:36 < nsf> the C version works
07:36 < nsf> looks like a logic error
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07:46 < nsf> hehe, bug was successfully found and eliminated
07:46 < nsf> http://code.google.com/p/lemon-parser-generator <- this one
is buggy
07:46 < nsf> :P
07:46 < nsf> at least the D version
07:47 < nsf>
http://code.google.com/p/lemon-parser-generator/issues/detail?id=4
07:47 < nsf> I know how to fix this, but looks like no one cares
07:47 < nsf> :)
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08:48 < nsf> looks like something is broken in //line
<FILE>:<LINE> convention
08:48 < nsf> compiler eats the source code, but linker dies with an error
08:49 < nsf> http://pastie.org/1210865
08:52 < nsf> or I guess it works not like the gcc's pragma
08:52 < nsf> which makes it useless :\
08:54 < nsf> or there is a bug
08:54 < nsf> hm..
09:17 < nsf> yep, it works in a different way
09:17 < nsf> gcc's #line is much better
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09:30 < uriel> nsf: IIRC there was some fix about that recently, have you
tried latest tip?
09:30 < nsf> nope
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09:30 < uriel> and I find your claim that it is 'useless', rather weird,
09:30 < nsf> uriel: I've fixed the problem
09:31 < nsf> the thing is, Go's //line works not like #line from gcc
09:31 < nsf> in gcc you can specify a range
09:31 < nsf> #line 1 file.x
09:31 < nsf> and then
09:31 < nsf> #line 10 file.y
09:31 < nsf> in Go it's just a linear hint
09:32 < nsf> gives sometimes very unpredicted results
09:32 < nsf> with a bunch of information noise
09:32 < uriel> ?
09:33 < nsf> let me give you an example
09:33 < uriel> file an issue?  I have had no use for it, but I have seen
some fixes for it go in in the last week or two, so obviously somebody is using it
09:33 < nsf> http://pastie.org/1210892
09:33 < nsf> test.y:21 line for example is totally empty
09:34 < nsf> but compiler points at it
09:34 < nsf> gcc on the other hand provides an ability to give precise
location information
09:37 < nsf> feature is implemented without understanding of a problem,
usual gc compiler style of dealing with errors
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11:02 < uriel> nsf: again, have you filled an issue?  and there have been a
few //lineno related CLs recently
11:02 < nsf> uriel: nope, I haven't
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11:04 < uriel> there also have been a few commits improving gc's error
messages
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11:34 < uriel> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/dohif/
11:34 < uriel> oh god :(
11:35 < nsf> a lot of comments
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12:14 < nsf> lol
12:14 < nsf> "bad declaration syntax"
12:14 < nsf> auto i = 0 is "better", of course ;)
12:14 < nsf> D code looks like that:
12:14 < nsf> auto ...
12:14 < nsf> auto ...
12:14 < nsf> auto ...
12:14 < nsf> auto ..
12:14 < nsf> :D
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12:18 < nsf> language holywars are so boring
12:21 < uriel> that looks like a traffic jam!
12:22 < exch> I never got this silly discussions.  There are a gazillion
languages which are all, one way or another, capable of solving a problem one
might have.  What it eventually boils down to is just how confortable you are with
any particular one.  When all is said and done, i'll pick the one I find the most
fun to work with.
12:23 < exch> And since taste is entirely subjective, there really is no
point at all for any such discussion
12:27 < nsf> also D vs.  Go is pointless, D vs.  world has already lost,
let's see what Go will be able to deliver
12:28 < exch> Really though, who cares if Go becomes a widely adopted
language or not?  If one enjoys using it, then that should be all that matters
12:28 < mpl> your reasoning is flawed.  you're assuming ppl on the internet
are smart enough to realize that and that they have better things to do than
arguing like retards.
12:29 < exch> That doesn't invalidate my point, just the people ;)
12:29 < mpl> yep
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13:32 < soul9> is it possible to index a map by more than one thing?
13:32 < soul9> it have a two or three element array to index the map?
13:32 < nsf> convert these "more than one thing" to a string and go for it
13:32 < nsf> :)
13:32 < soul9> s,it,ie,
13:33 < soul9> heh, i guess so..
13:34 < exch> If you can ensure that the 'key' as a pointer always points to
the same address, you can use the pointer as a map key.  Not sure if that's a very
safe approach though
13:34 < nsf> soul9: http://pastie.org/1208408
13:34 < nsf> TestToString
13:34 < nsf> function that converts raw struct data to a string
13:34 < nsf> although I'm not suggesting to use it without understanding
what it does
13:35 < soul9> yeah wow
13:35 < soul9> i really just need an array or a slice as index
13:36 < soul9> i wonder howcome it is that perl is still 10x faster than the
go version of my program...  :(
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13:37 < exch> What nsf showed is exactly the reason why we can't have
arbitrary map keys (yet).  There is no concise way to create a unique hash for an
arbitrary object
13:37 < nsf> the problem is
13:37 < nsf> that hash is not a magic
13:37 < nsf> if you have some kind of a complex data relationships, maybe
you need to think about that a bit more
13:38 < nsf> hash isn't the best for all cases
13:38 < soul9> if i knew how to do that i could marshal a function into json
;)
13:38 < exch> Perhaps it would be nice if anything that implements a Hasher
interface could be used.  The Hasher interface should yield 1 method which lets
you do your own hash construction for your type
13:38 < exch> Then again, maybe not
13:38 < soul9> nsf: true, but it's just so much simpler to use it than to
have to worry about array sizes..
13:39 < soul9> also, i need to index with strings.
13:39 < nsf> soul9: why don't you use python or ruby
13:39 < nsf> it's so much simpler just forget about types
13:39 < soul9> nsf: funny.
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13:41 < nsf> it's not, you're complaining about programming being hard..  it
is hard, if you don't like it, why do want to be a programmer
13:42 < soul9> no i'm not complaining
13:42 < soul9> ok, that one line was complaining :D
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13:42 < soul9> but then I added that I need to index with strings, so arrays
aren't a solution anyways
13:43 < nsf> hash is a way to index an array with strings
13:43 < nsf> there are other ways too
13:43 < soul9> yeah, i guess so.
13:44 < soul9> i'll try to figure it out.  thanks and sorry if it came out
as if i wasn't 99% satisfied with go
13:45 < nsf> just think about your application as a data in the first place,
how it relates, what do you need from it..  maybe it will help to solve the
problem
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15:42 < strtok> w00t!  lilirc.go:45: internal compiler error: fault
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22:23 < EthanG> given a 2D array, can you get a 2D slice from it or do you
have to muck about making a slice of every array in one of the dimensions?
22:24 < EthanG> if that makes sense...
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22:28 < exch> Youll have to 'muck around' I'm afraid
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22:33 < EthanG> ah ok.  so long as I know, lol
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23:59 < strtok> once i set a string to something, does it make sense that
the string it was pointing to disappeared?
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