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01:15 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gc3dg by [Ken Thompson] in go/src/cmd/5g/ --
bug right shifting 64 bits
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01:58 < TheSeeker> yey, goinstall sorta works now on windows.
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02:38 < crazy2be> Does go have proper garbage collection at this point?
02:38 < crazy2be> i seem to remember that one of the compilers had it
02:39 < crazy2be> but the other one did not
02:40 < enferex> crazy2be: it has a mark-sweep
02:40 < nsf> crazy2be: both compilers use the same GC now
02:41 < crazy2be> hmm
02:41 < crazy2be> because my program seems to be leaking
02:42 < nsf> does it eat more than 500 megs of memory at some point?
02:42 < enferex> "i dont leak navigaotr, you leak"
02:42 < enferex> (great movie)
02:42 < crazy2be> well
02:42 < nsf> crazy2be: current GC never returns the memory back to OS afaik
02:43 < crazy2be> i only *have* 128MB of memory
02:43 < crazy2be> oh
02:43 < crazy2be> that could be the problem then
02:43 < nsf> yes it could be
02:43 < crazy2be> since i make a bunch of data structures and then destroy
them periodicly
02:43 < crazy2be> *periodically
02:43 < nsf> it's not a problem, because GC will reuse the memory
02:43 < crazy2be> well
02:43 < nsf> it just doesn't return it to OS
02:44 < crazy2be> it is a problem because all the memory is swapped out
02:44 < crazy2be> and not swapped in until the webpage is requested
02:44 < crazy2be> so it fails the first few times you try to request the
page
02:44 < crazy2be> then it works
02:45 < crazy2be> and is quite fast considering the system specs
02:45 < nsf> :(
02:45 < crazy2be> so then the question is how to deal with this :P
02:45 < nsf> well, what can I sa
02:45 < nsf> say*
02:45 < crazy2be> i can increase my update interval as a band-aid :P
02:45 < nsf> I don't know what can help you
02:46 < crazy2be> you already did
02:46 < enferex> hehe ive been research the GC for possible target area
regaring my dissertation
02:46 < crazy2be> now i don't have to go digging through my code trying to
find a memleak
02:46 < nsf> information I gave to you isn't really realiable :)
02:46 < nsf> current GC may leak as well
02:46 < nsf> because it is conservative
02:47 < crazy2be> is there some way to manually tell it to delete a
structure from memory?
02:47 < crazy2be> in javascript you could do it by setting it to null
02:48 < nsf> well, I can't tell
02:48 < crazy2be> in this case, i have reference to the object in only one
thread, and it has a set lifespan
02:48 < crazy2be> so doing it manually would be easy if that is a
possibility
02:48 < nsf> in general you can't delete an object from memory reliably with
any GC
02:49 < crazy2be> :/
02:49 < crazy2be> i like the idea of a GC
02:49 < crazy2be> i've just never seen a good implementation of one
02:49 < nsf> it is a crazy idea to some extent
02:50 < nsf> :)
02:50 < enferex> ancient idea
02:50 < crazy2be> go's is in an early stage, and i know that
02:50 < nsf> the best GC's are reference counted (e.g.  python)
02:50 < nsf> but they are slow as well
02:50 < nsf> I mean they are very predictable
02:50 < crazy2be> but when i was working with large amounts of text in
javascript, i had to manually set variables to null
02:51 < crazy2be> like, they wouldn't get deleted when they fell out of
scope
02:51 < crazy2be> although that's not really gc
02:53 < enferex> its hinting to the GC
02:53 < enferex> :-)
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03:18 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gcatG by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/gc/ -- gc:
implement new composite literal spec
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03:28 < crazy2be> well thanks, goodnight :)
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03:50 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gccdy by [Russ Cox] in go/src/cmd/5g/ -- 5g:
missed one case last night
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04:07 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gcd7Q by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/ -- arm: 3
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10:37 < jophish> hi all!
10:37 < jophish> I'm trying to build go under cygwin, however things are
failing when making pkg
10:37 < jophish> is there any way to get quietgcc to not be so quiet
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mascot?
12:47 < unR> k found is golang.org/doc/
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15:37 < nsf> uriel: hi, about carmack's view..  it was on twitter
15:39 < nsf> uriel: the full quote: "Reading More Effective C++.  I have
grown to appreciate at least some uses of most C++ features, but I still don't buy
in on exceptions."
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15:41 < gent00r> Hi, is there any web package that provide support for
sessions and cookies?
15:42 < gent00r> not that they are hard to implement.  I just want to use
something that is already available, than to re-invent the wheel
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15:58 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gcZRc by [Robert Griesemer] in go/doc/ -- go
spec: relaxed syntax for array, slice, and map composite literals
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16:06 < ptrb> gent00r: github.com/hoisie/web.go
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16:24 * TheSeeker decides to bite the bullet and install TortoiseHG :|
16:26 < ptrb> what's wrong with the officially sanctioned commandline
client?
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16:27 < TheSeeker> I'm a windows user, and won't use command line crap when
there's a GUI option?
16:29 < TheSeeker> in the end it's not even so much about command line vs
UI, it's installing *yet another* VCS system on the computer that I'm probably
onyl going to use for one thing.
16:35 < TheSeeker> beside beign redundant there, I'm mostly just a user, and
don't like needing to have cvs, svn, and git ...  and now hg too.
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16:42 < mattn_jp> take a studing, I've wrote program using cookie(but not
session): http://gist.github.com/640928
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16:44 < mattn_jp> currently, I guess that no anyone get down to implement
windows GUIs.
16:45 < mattn_jp> If be possible to run cgo on windows, I'll port go-gtk to
windows.  :)
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16:52 < mpl> mattn_jp: I'll be glad when you do.  for a project at work I
had to run on windows because part of it was a labview program.  and since I still
wanted to do the rest of the project with go-gtk I had to resort to some netcat
trickery with the go program running in virtualbox :)
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16:55 < mattn_jp> unfortunately, I don't see any applications using go-gtk
without gocalc.  X(
16:56 < mattn_jp>
http://abiola89.blogspot.com/2010/06/simple-calculator-using-go-language.html
16:58 < mpl> mattn_jp: here's mine: https://bitbucket.org/mpl/pdb/overview
16:58 < mpl> not up to date though
16:59 < mattn_jp> wow
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17:01 < mattn_jp> Thanks.  :)
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17:16 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gd4Q4 by [Robert Griesemer] in 6 subdirs of
go/src/ -- go ast/parser/printer: permit elision of composite literal types for
composite literal elements
17:16 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gd4Q7 by [Robert Griesemer] in 73 subdirs of
go/ -- gofmt -s -w src misc
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17:43 < TheSeeker> hmm, now that there's someone working on a win-x64 port
of go, will the godashboard build status page start showing windws x64 status?
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18:18 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gd9vo by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/gob/ -- gob:
allow exchange of interface values
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18:44 < nsf> two days of writing javascript and I'm placing parentheses
around if statements in Go :(
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18:53 < ptrb> at least the compiler beats you down with the appropriate
level of disgust
18:53 < nsf> :)
18:54 < ptrb> er, actually, does it?
18:54 < ptrb> if not, s/the compiler/gofmt -w/
18:54 < nsf> thank god that javascript actually has semicolon insertion
stuff
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19:29 < TheSeeker> so, if I want to compile go on windows, I need to ...
use cygwin I guess?
19:36 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gdf3Y by [Russ Cox] in 4 subdirs of
go/src/cmd/ -- 5l, 6l, 8l: introduce sub-symbols
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19:42 < gent00r> What mysql package should i use?.  None of them seem to be
uptodate.
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19:45 < nsf> http://pastie.org/1241451
19:45 < nsf> hehe
19:45 < nsf> go const/var group stuff sorting
19:46 < nsf> quite scary
19:47 < nsf> but result looks fine though
19:47 < nsf> hopefully I will unveil my superuber documentation generator
for Go this weekend :)
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19:49 < cbeck> nsf: How will it be different/better than godoc/mango?
19:49 < nsf> you'll see :)
19:49 < cbeck> fair enough =)
19:50 < nsf> I mean it's not just another clone, it has at least one neat
feature that I really like
19:50 < nsf> and hopefully others will like it too
19:51 < gent00r> no mysql package is driving me crazy
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22:10 < gent00r> is it possible to reference the current object just like
'this' is cpp
22:11 < Namegduf> If you mean in a method, yes.
22:11 < Namegduf> You give the receiver a name of your choice.
22:11 < KBme> func (this *myobjtype) funcname(sig)..
22:12 < gent00r> Namegduf, KBme thanks
22:19 < gent00r> is this a wrong declaration ? var urlconf = map[string]
func(ctx *web.Context){
22:19 < gent00r> 26 "/vms/login":handle.loginHandler,
22:19 < gent00r> 27 }
22:20 < KBme> yes
22:21 < KBme> func (...) funcname (..
22:21 < KBme> urlconf = make(map[string] funcname)
22:21 < KBme> afaik
22:23 < gent00r> the compiler complains that the function is not an
expression and that it has to be called
22:23 < Tv> gent00r: are you trying to define a function or a map?
22:23 < gent00r> Tv, i want to define a map with a string key and a function
value
22:23 < Tv> gent00r: ahh
22:24 < Tv> gent00r: you can make it readable by defining a type for your
function
22:24 < Tv> type UrlConfer func(*web.Context) something
22:24 < Tv> urlconf := map[string]UrlConfer{"/vms/login":
handle.loginHandler}
22:24 < Tv> i guess, from your paste
22:25 < gent00r> Tv, exactly
22:25 < gent00r> Tv, thankyou
22:26 < Tv> gent00r: your problem was that saying func ...  { } means you're
defining the func there
22:26 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gdpIz by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/gob/ --
gobs: error cleanup part 1.
22:26 < Tv> urlconf := map[string](func(*web.Context)
something){"/vms/login": handle.loginHandler} should have worked
22:26 < Tv> but type makes it nicer to read
22:27 < gent00r> Tv, makes perfect sense thank you very much
22:36 < Soultaker> I posted this before, but never got a satisfying answer:
22:36 < Soultaker> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/277750/
22:36 < Soultaker> Why does this exit instead of printing EOF indefinitely?
22:36 < Soultaker> uriel earlier suggested catching signals (because I
supposed the process might be killed by SIGPIPE when the pipe's buffer is full)
22:37 < Soultaker> but if I try that, like this:
http://paste.pocoo.org/show/279018/
22:37 < Soultaker> the result is the same.
22:37 < Soultaker> Any ideas?
22:39 < KBme> are you reading from the stdout of cat with no input?
22:40 < KBme> stuff something down the cat's throat
22:40 < Soultaker> yes
22:40 < Soultaker> no, this is just a testcase
22:40 < Soultaker> I understand that if I want to get something useful out
of it this isn't the way to do it
22:40 < KBme> but so there is no output
22:41 < KBme> what does the program print?
22:41 < Soultaker> no, but what happens is that the program prints EOF for a
few hundred lines, and then the entire application exits
22:41 < KBme> couldn't read: ..?
22:41 < KBme> yeah
22:41 < Soultaker> so I'm trying to understand why it exits the loop
22:41 < KBme> it doesn't print couldn't read: EOF?
22:41 < Soultaker> yes, it does, for a couple hundred lines.  then it exits,
without ever printing "Done"
22:41 < KBme> yeah
22:42 < KBme> well
22:42 < KBme> err is not nil when you reach EOF
22:42 < KBme> it's os.EOF afaik
22:42 < KBme> and since cat doesn't have any input
22:42 < KBme> you always get an EOF
22:42 < Soultaker> I think you don't understand what I'm trying to do...
22:42 < Soultaker> I know, I'm just trying to pinpoint either a bug in Go or
in my understanding of how it's supposed to work :)
22:43 < KBme> ok, maybe i don't, that's what i think.
22:43 < Soultaker> this particular code snippet isn't supposed to do
anything useful.
22:43 < KBme> yeah, i get that
22:43 < KBme> what do you expect?
22:43 < KBme> if you don't stop on EOF
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22:43 < Soultaker> I expect it to print "Couldn't read: EOF" at infinitum.
22:44 < Soultaker> s/at/ad/
22:44 < KBme> yes, well
22:44 < KBme> does it get killed?
22:44 < KBme> just exits
22:44 < KBme> mmm
22:45 < Soultaker> it exits with status code 32 (I thought it exited with 0
before, but maybe I made a mistake)
22:46 < yiyus> Soultaker: any change if you don't use the buffer and read
directly from cmd.Stdout?
22:48 < Soultaker> let me test..
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22:51 < Soultaker> looks like it doesn't exit then.
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22:56 < MaybeSo> Hey folks, if I've got a struct with a number of fields in
it and I want to perform two *different* types of sorting operations on it, what's
the idiomatic way to handle implementing two versions of the sort.Sort interface
(Len, Less, Swap)?  Declaring two different types?
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23:09 < gent00r> Is it legal to define a type for a functions which are
members of an object.  something like type hf func(obj *O)(int,int) string ?
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23:11 < KirkMcDonald> It would just be func(*O, int, int) wouldn't it?
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23:14 < MaybeSo> I was thinking he wanted: func (obj *O) funcName(int, int)
23:14 < MaybeSo> meaning funcName(int, int) <- function which can be
called on a ptr to an O
23:14 < yiyus> Soultaker: it will also stop exiting if you comment
fmt.Fprintln(cmd.Stdin, "hello!")
23:14 < zhaozhou> I want to create a website with the template package, but
I don't want to shut the server down every time I need to change what data my site
will be able to display all the time.  Can I somehow dynamically alter the struct
which template uses?
23:14 < yiyus> i think you just found a bug
23:15 < gent00r> MaybeSo, yes precisely
23:15 < KirkMcDonald> MaybeSo: The type of that method is func(*O, int,
int).
23:15 < yiyus> the error returned by fmt.Println is ok, error writing to
broken pipe, so does not seem like it can get full
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23:16 < Soultaker> yiyus: you're right (re: it works if not writing to
stdin)
23:18 < Soultaker> what's strange is that I can write to the broken pipe a
couple of times (exactly 10?) before exiting
23:18 < Soultaker> but the number of bytes written before the pipe breaks is
variable
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23:18 < Soultaker> (probably just the time it takes cat to exit)
23:18 < Soultaker> (exactly 9 times btw, not 10)
23:19 < yiyus> weird, 9 times for me too, but all of them write 0 bytes
23:20 < Soultaker> same here.
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23:21 < gent00r> KirkMcDonald, can you please let me know why that works?
23:22 < KirkMcDonald> http://golang.org/doc/go_spec.html#Method_declarations
23:22 < KirkMcDonald> "The type of a method is the type of a function with
the receiver as first argument."
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23:37 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gdtNx by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/gob/ -- gob:
error cleanup 2
23:42 < gent00r> Thanks KirkMcDonald, however the approach of using a such
function type to a map as value, doesn't seem to work
23:42 < gent00r> like http://pastebin.com/Xt6k5ka0
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23:44 < KBme> you probably need to make() maps
23:44 < KBme> that's what i see wrong there
23:45 < KBme> urlconf :=
make(map[string]vmsHandlerFunc{"/vms/login":h.loginHandler})
23:47 < gent00r> KBme, i still get the same result
23:48 < gent00r> But, i do not think make is correct here.  since i already
have a var urlconf = which should have initialized the map with the values given
23:49 < KBme> yeah, i guess when you initialize you don't need it
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23:51 < gent00r> This approach works fine as long as the method doesn't
belong to an object.
23:52 < MaybeSo> so I guess I'm not up to speed, since Kirk McDonald
corrected me, but when I did something similar looking in my code I had function
defs like this:
23:52 < MaybeSo> func (p *Updater) PreallocateIds() func(n int32) (int32,
int32, os.Error)
23:53 < gent00r> so this works var urlconf =
map[string](func(*web.Context)){"/vms/login":loginHandler,}
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