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00:54 < sauerbraten> hi!  I want to post something to an http server,
therefore I use http.Post().  now Post() takes three parameters, url (which is
clear), bodyType (which i assume is "application/x-www-form-urlencoded" in my
case) and body of type io.Reader.  now why has the body to be of type Reader?  why
not just string?
00:56 < nsf> because you can easily use string as Reader?
00:56 < sauerbraten> oh wait...  may I just use http.PostForm() for POSTs of
type "application/x-www-form-urlencoded"?
00:56 < nsf> I have no idea, never used http, but if you want to use string
as io.Reader
00:56 < nsf> there is a package 'strings' which contains type "Reader"
00:57 < nsf> string.NewReader creates an io.Reader from a string
00:57 < sauerbraten> nsf: sorry I'm totally new to Go, only use Java until
now...  What does it mean that I can use string as Reader?
00:57 < sauerbraten> oh ok
00:57 < nsf> io.Reader is just an interface
00:57 < sauerbraten> I'll try that
00:57 < nsf> you can implement it using "string" as internal representation
00:57 < nsf> that's what strings.Reader does
00:58 < sauerbraten> would "Name=xyz&Age=42".newReader work?  :-/
00:58 < nsf> no
00:58 < sauerbraten> or is it string.NewReader("bla")
00:58 < nsf> strings.NewReader("Name=xyz&Age=42")
00:58 < sauerbraten> tah ok
00:58 < sauerbraten> thanks
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00:59 < sauerbraten> now, PostForm needs the body data of txpe
map[string][string].  How do I do that?
01:00 < sauerbraten> nevermind...
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01:17 < nsf> lol, I was wondering how godoc deals with multiple
implementations in syscall package
01:17 < nsf> it turns out that it doesn't
01:18 < nsf> http://golang.org/pkg/syscall/
01:18 < nsf> this page has like three or more SYS_ constant groups
01:18 < nsf> actually more, yeah
01:18 < nsf> more like 5
01:19 < nsf> 80% of the page are repeating constant listings
01:19 < nsf> lol
01:21 < nsf> http://golang.org/search?q=SYS_
01:22 < nsf> and search is useless
01:22 < nsf> it knows nothing about constants
01:22 < nsf> :\
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01:30 < sauerbraten> to := []string("user@host.com") <-- what's worng
with that?
01:30 < nsf> you're trying to convert string literal to an array of strings
01:31 < nsf> to a slice of string*
01:31 < sauerbraten> eww..  so how should it be?
01:31 < nsf> if you just want a slice of strings with one string in it
01:31 < sauerbraten> ye
01:31 < nsf> s := []string{"123"}
01:31 < sauerbraten> ah ok
01:31 < sauerbraten> thanks again :)
01:31 < nsf> np
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01:39 < sauerbraten> can someone tell me why this http://pastie.org/1259322
exits with an error: EOF?
01:40 < nsf> never used smtp, can't tell
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02:33 < Arrow55> If I have a package that I want to gofmt, should I do it
manually or add it to the Makefile?
02:36 < exch> Whatever is convenient
02:36 < exch> I usually add a 'format' rule to my makefiles which simply
calls gofmt on the package code
02:37 < Arrow55> I tried adding the format rule like in hoisie's web.go, but
it doesn't work when I call it
02:37 < Arrow55> I'm assuming the command is "gomake format" too, which I'm
not certain about
02:39 < Arrow55> The error I usually get: Makefile:12: *** missing
separator.  Stop.
02:39 < Arrow55> line 12 being where I call ${GOFMT} file.go
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02:49 < artefon> Arrow55: you have to use <tab> instead of spaces in
makefile
02:49 < artefon> Arrow55: if u are using VIM you have to click <Ctrl +
v> + tab
02:50 < Arrow55> I'm using gedit, and I do use tab, but I believe it
converts it to spaces
02:51 < artefon> Arrow55: if the tab is converted to spaces it wont work,
try to copy one tab from another line
02:51 < Arrow55> I'm checking it into my project on github and I'll post a
link when it's there
02:51 < artefon> ok
02:51 < Arrow55> ok, I'll try checking that
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02:55 < Arrow55> http://github.com/Arrow/GoGCM/blob/master/atmos/Makefile
02:55 < Arrow55> but I haven't tried your suggestion artefon
02:55 < Arrow55> I'm checking that right now
02:55 < artefon> Arrow55: buut looks like you have a tab there
02:56 < Arrow55> yeah, I noticed when I checked it in
02:58 < Arrow55> I tried changing the tab to spaces and it's the same thing
02:58 < artefon> Arrow55: try 'make format'
02:58 < artefon> instead of gomake
02:59 < Arrow55> same error, but now it also can't find Make.inc and
Make.pkg
03:01 < artefon> oo i get it
03:01 < artefon> :(
03:02 < Arrow55> the same error?
03:02 < artefon> Arrow55: the new version is without spaces..  the tab is
mandatory
03:04 < Arrow55> so I should be using the first version
03:04 < Arrow55> ?
03:04 < artefon> in theory yes
03:04 < artefon> i will checkout your repos
03:04 < artefon> to try
03:04 < artefon> just a sec
03:05 < Arrow55> ok...  thanks for the help
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03:06 < artefon> Arrow55: here worked
03:06 < artefon> Arrow55: i only inserted a TAB
03:07 < artefon> Arrow55: i will put in pastebin
03:07 < Arrow55> I think gedit is auto inserting spaces
03:07 < artefon> yes
03:07 < artefon> Arrow55: this is probably the cause
03:07 < artefon> Arrow55: but spaces dont work with makefiles
03:07 < artefon> it should be a real tab
03:08 < Arrow55> ok, I didn't know that.  learn something every day
03:08 < Arrow55> thanks for the help :)
03:09 < artefon> Arrow55: http://pastebin.com/hh9U0Xrv
03:09 < artefon> oops
03:09 < artefon> Arrow55: i think paste bin converted the tab
03:09 < Arrow55> yeah, I'll checkin what I have and I think it works
03:10 < artefon> :)
03:12 < Arrow55> ok, it's there now.
03:12 < Arrow55> Can I add -v to the command to get verbose
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03:13 < artefon> Arrow55: to what command?
03:13 < Arrow55> gofmt ..  in the makefile or at the command line
03:13 < Arrow55> if I don't use gomake
03:17 < artefon> actually im a newcommer to go
03:18 < artefon> butt
03:18 < artefon> ops
03:18 < artefon> but
03:18 < artefon> i think that gomake is used for some go-specific stuff
03:18 < artefon> its just a special makefile
03:18 < artefon> so you can use your verbose output just like you would in
the console
03:19 < Arrow55> I did "gofmt --help" and it seemed to give me my answer
03:19 < Arrow55> it seems there isn't a -v flag
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03:22 < Arrow55> artefon: Just curious, how do you like go so far?
03:22 < artefon> i dont know go very much but i am enjoying a lot
03:23 < artefon> one of the features that i find more interesting is the go
coroutines
03:23 < artefon> for me writting concurrent programs is very important
03:23 < Arrow55> what type of programs are you interested in?
03:23 < Arrow55> That's also what I like about go
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03:26 < artefon> im into distributed stuff
03:26 < artefon> and machine learning
03:26 < artefon> the distributed stuff is for information retrieval
03:26 < artefon> and you?
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03:42 < artefon> Arrow55: i have to go
03:42 < artefon> Arrow55: see u soon
03:42 < artefon> :)
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04:05 < nsf> hahaha, C: multiple arguments, single return value; Go:
multiple arguments, multiple return values, single optional receiver; ??: multiple
arguments, multiple return values, multiple optional receivers?
04:05 < nsf> (a,b).methodX() or [a,b].methodX()
04:05 < nsf> :D
04:08 < nsf> I bet this will happen in this century
04:09 < nsf> multiple dispatch exists in the dynamic form already, few years
and someone will make it static as well
04:10 < nsf> for god knows what reason
04:10 < nsf> :\
04:42 < uriel> nsf: I bet D already has that 'feature' ;P
04:42 < nsf> as far as I know it hasn't
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04:43 < uriel> does anyone know all the features D has?  that would be like
knowing all the prime numbers, you would need to be omniscient
04:43 < nsf> :)
04:43 < uriel> (sorry, forgot the " scare-quotes around "features" ;P)
04:44 < |Craig|> isn't that just a bit of syntactic sugar for a map function
04:44 < nsf> |Craig|: in some languages, yes
04:44 < nsf> maps have methods
04:44 < nsf> but that's not what I meant
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04:47 < |Craig|> I've been writing too much SML lately.  My thinking is
getting too functional
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07:51 < nsf> lol
07:51 < nsf> I've googled for "biggset problem in software development"
07:51 < nsf> and all agree that it's people
07:51 * nsf facepalms
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08:22 < nsf> hehe, I think I will write cooperative javascript scheduler for
gowtf
08:22 < nsf> :\
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10:22 < nsf> hehe, I've made my gowtf template in an async fashion
10:22 < nsf> now it handles more or less well very big packages
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10:27 < nsf> http://jiss.convex.ru/gowtf/index.html
10:27 < nsf> check it out
10:27 < nsf> it is super smooth now
10:28 < nsf> this go/ast example is 50kb of json data
10:28 < nsf> I've tested it also with 850kb packages
10:28 < nsf> :D
10:28 < nsf> and it works
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10:41 < nsf> oops
10:41 < nsf> doesn't work in ff :(
10:41 < nsf> bugowser
10:42 * nsf hates firefox
10:44 < nsf> chrome, opera, midori - all work, ff doesn't
10:44 < nsf> :\
10:48 < nsf>
http://benalman.com/news/2009/07/the-mysterious-firefox-settime/
10:48 < nsf> that's just stupid
10:49 * nsf sighs
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11:08 < Chopinn> db.o
11:09 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gu3Bd by [David Symonds] in
go/misc/vim/syntax/ -- misc/vim: update list of builtins.
11:17 < nsf> ok, now firefox works as well
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11:26 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gu4Yh by [Anthony Starks] in go/misc/bbedit/
-- misc/bbedit: support append, other builtins
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11:35 < uriel> nsf: doesn't work on links ;P
11:35 < nsf> hehe, indeed
11:36 < nsf> I'm tuning it now, hopefully I will try to build the static
documentation for the Go lib tomorrow
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11:47 < napsy> Why doesn't a bufio.Reader.ReadString() end when confronted
with EOF?  It just blocks the probgram, waiting for input
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11:48 < napsy> http://pastie.org/private/4khhverhq9as5sv6yuqdg
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11:59 < nsf> http://jiss.convex.ru/gowtf
11:59 < nsf> yeah!
11:59 < nsf> that's what I call smooth
11:59 < nsf> :P
12:00 * nsf is a javascript mage
12:00 < nsf> :D
12:01 < nsf> it turns out that very interesting scheme works for javascript
12:01 < nsf> all processing through cooperative "async" events
12:01 < nsf> and drawing starts from enough data to fill the initial screen
12:02 < nsf> (because browser double buffers everything, and that way it
avoids flickering)
12:03 < nsf> can't wait to stress test it
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12:10 < nsf> http://jiss.convex.ru/gowtf <- check it out
12:10 < nsf> everything x8
12:11 < nsf> 390kb of data
12:11 < nsf> still smooth
12:11 < nsf> :P
12:11 < nsf> and it's pretty big package
12:13 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gu962 by [Alex Brainman] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/ -- syscall: fix Stat(path) where path is directory with trailing '/'
on windows
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12:18 < moondial> hi.
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12:33 < moondial> umm...
12:35 < exch> The funcs section lists a bunch functions multiple times
12:35 < exch> *bunch +of
12:35 < exch> same for the Consts section
12:36 < moondial> Could you tell me how to compile go in windows with minGW?
12:39 < nsf> exch: that's the point!
12:39 < nsf> it was stress test
12:39 < exch> ah
12:39 < nsf> I've just multiplied everything by 8
12:39 < nsf> to see how well it handles those 700+ items
12:39 < nsf> it turns out it handles them perfectly well!
12:40 < nsf> although I believe there will be UI issues with packages like
syscall
12:40 < nsf> which has tons of constants
12:40 < nsf> they just will blow the screen
12:41 < nsf> maybe I'll make default "class" customizable, that way you'll
be able to disable displaying consts by default
12:42 < nsf> I'm very excited about this new backend, it turns out that
setTimeout saves my ass :D
12:43 < nsf> and +1 to using profiling for bottleneck detection before doing
any kind of optimizations
12:44 < nsf> http://jiss.convex.ru/gowtf/gowtf.js check out the code :P
12:44 < nsf> fqStage* functions, nsf-style javascript :D
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12:51 < nsf> hehe, I've figured out how can I hack the go lib to get all the
files I need to look for the documentation
12:52 < nsf> each package uses standard Makefile, which contains magical
GOFILES var
12:52 < nsf> I'm just adding rule at the end like:
12:52 < nsf> echogofiles:
12:52 < nsf> @echo $(GOFILES)
12:52 < nsf> and run it
12:52 < nsf> done..  :D
12:53 < nsf> I can get TARG as well, so I actually will know what the name
of the package
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12:54 < nsf> it will remove multiplatform implementations duplication from
packages like syscall as well
12:54 < nsf> strangely, godoc doesn't solve that problem
12:55 < nsf> well, it's not the best solution
12:55 < nsf> but imho it's ok
12:55 < nsf> omg, I talk too much
12:55 < nsf> should stop doing that :D
12:59 < nsf> I should probably rename the package to gortfm
13:00 < nsf> the project I mean
13:00 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gudya by [Alex Brainman] in
go/src/pkg/syscall/ -- syscall: fix windows build
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13:23 < moondial> I found gomingw, nice project.  but I'd be happy if there
is the link on golang.org/doc/install.html
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16:14 < artefon> Arrow55: hello
16:15 < Arrow55> artefon: hi
16:16 < Arrow55> I'm rebuilding go so I have a bit of a lag
16:16 < artefon> :)
16:16 < artefon> hehe
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16:17 < Arrow55> I didn't yesterday...
16:18 < Arrow55> sorry..  answer your question
16:18 < Arrow55> I'm interested in what go can do for modelling and control
systems/robotics
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16:24 < Arrow55> artefon: are you using go in your day to day job or just
playing with it in your spare time?
16:24 < artefon> Arrow55: ohh nice i like robotics too :)
16:24 < artefon> Arrow55: im just playing with it but i intend to use it in
production
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16:27 < Arrow55> artefon: http://github.com/Arrow/GoCtrl I started this as a
control system library
16:27 < Arrow55> artefon: I'd like it to develop into a general robotics
library as well (or some offshoot of it)
16:28 < artefon> Arrow55: i found the atmos file name suggesting hehe
16:28 < Arrow55> artefon: but I'm not spending much time on it at the moment
16:28 < Arrow55> yeah
16:29 < artefon> Arrow55: but you want it to be a simulator or to use it
embeded
16:29 < Arrow55> artefon: go to http://gogcm.blogspot.com/ if you want to
know more about that project
16:29 < artefon> oo
16:29 < artefon> i will take a look
16:29 < Arrow55> I think go allows you to do both with the same library...
IMHO
16:31 < Arrow55> for instance, say your function takes a channel for the
timestep.  you could set up a goroutine reading from the clock of an embeded
application
16:31 < Arrow55> or you could have a timestep generator passing the next
timestep in when the previous one is done
16:32 < artefon> yes
16:32 < artefon> this is a nice model
16:32 < artefon> !
16:32 < Arrow55> thanks
16:32 < Arrow55> although I still see a few rough spots
16:33 < Arrow55> maybe I'm just picky
16:36 < artefon> or maybe you are just more experienced than me :)
16:36 < artefon> i worked with verilog and testing for some time
16:37 < artefon> but just a little
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17:04 < Arrow55> artefon: I don't think I'm more experienced than you.
17:05 < Arrow55> artefon: I've been following go since it's release, but
only started hacking it back in April
17:06 < Arrow55> artefon: and as far as programming experience, I'm actually
a mech engineer
17:07 < Arrow55> artefon: it's only in my last job that I was doing a bit
more programming (although I already enjoyed it more than most mech eng)
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17:10 < artefon> Arrow55: i started using go recently, i wrote a simple
raytracer and it was an extremly pleasent experience
17:11 < artefon> artefon: in which country do u live in?
17:11 < Arrow55> artefon: Canada
17:12 < artefon> sweet!
17:12 < artefon> Arrow55: what city?
17:13 < Arrow55> artefon: montreal
17:13 < artefon> Arrow55: i know some people in Alberta, i live in brazi
17:13 < artefon> Arrow55: i know some people in Alberta, i live in brazil *
17:14 < Arrow55> artefon: ok
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22:26 < Surma> Hey guys.  I'm trying to do this:
vector.Vector([]*somestruct) Why doesn't the compiler like that?
22:26 < Surma> I mean, *somestruct fulfills interface{} as well, doesn't it?
22:30 <@nf> it does, but you can't convert []foo to []bar with a type
conversion
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22:34 < Fumon> Hi, question about the reflect package.  If I have a
reflect.Value, how can I assert that reflect.Value's type implements an interface
when the methods T implements the interface with use receivers (*T)?
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22:37 < Fumon> Perhaps an easier question would be how do I count the number
of methods of a type if the methods use pointer receiver types?
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