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00:57 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gANaj by [Rob Pike] in go/test/ken/ --
test/ken/convert.go: add conversion torture test
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03:26 < SoniaKeys> three entries now in the google ai challenge :)
03:27 < adu> google ai?
03:28 < SoniaKeys> http://ai-contest.com/
03:28 < nsf> another way to look for talanted people to hire
03:28 < nsf> :)
03:29 < SoniaKeys> sheesh, is google taking over the galaxy now?
03:30 < nsf> it's not, it just does the only sensible politics regarding
innovation aka buy everything
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04:45 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gBdjS by [Rob Pike] in go/doc/ -- Effective
Go: append and a few words about ...
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04:56 < Archwyrm> [B
04:56 < Archwyrm> oops, disregard.
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08:44 < ptrb> nsf: you around?
08:44 < nsf> yep
08:45 < ptrb> gowtf is neat but why do I have to tab into the text input
field :)
08:45 < nsf> that's interesting question
08:45 < nsf> I have two answers for that
08:46 < nsf> 1.  You don't, I'm stupid and I will fix that by doing
autofocus in the next iteration
08:46 < ptrb> ;)
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08:47 < nsf> 2.  There will be an additional feature: like moving through
filtered items and for example clicking 'm' on some type will show you methods of
that type..  Moving unfocuses input field and therefore it's good to have a habit
pressing tab always
08:47 < nsf> two answers, because I'm not sure about (2)
08:47 < nsf> probably there will be an autofocus anyway
08:48 < nsf> oops
08:48 < nsf> s/clicking 'm'/pressing 'm'/
08:48 < nsf> anyways
08:48 < nsf> I'm aware of that issues
08:48 < nsf> I'll do something about it eventually :)
08:49 < nsf> s/issues/issue/
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08:49 < nsf> well, in fact I can add autofocus right now
08:52 < nsf> ptrb: done, but don't forget to F5 each page :( and sorry for
that
08:53 < ptrb> ;)
08:53 < nsf> I've googled for expiration stuff in http/html
08:53 < nsf> looks like it's a mess
08:53 < nsf> I'm looking for a way to make browsers invalidate cache at
least once per day
08:54 < nsf> although it's good that all the pages share the same js
08:55 < nsf> and you have to press f5 once in random package :)
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10:49 < exch> I've bene playing with expiration and cache control headers.
They work in Firefox, but chrome keeps insisting content is non-cacheable
10:49 < nsf> yes, as I've said the whole system looks messy
10:50 < nsf> like it was invented by some crazy guy, and no one knows what
the whole thing is doing in the standard
10:50 < nsf> :)
10:50 < nsf> and basically there are two options
10:50 < nsf> 1.  allow caching
10:50 < nsf> 2.  disable it completely
10:50 < nsf> :(
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12:39 < nsf> emacs gets animated transparent gifs support in 24, what's
wrong with these people?  they want to make a web browser in emacs or what
12:39 < nsf> :\
12:39 < nsf> s/animated//
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12:41 < ampleyfly> nsf: yes.
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14:00 < uriel> emacs needs Flash support
14:01 < uriel> (I was going to say svg, but I'm sure they already added that
long ago)
14:01 <+iant> I'm sure the emacs developers are working on it
14:01 < uriel> hehehe
14:01 <+iant> using GNU gnash
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14:02 < uriel> of course
14:02 < nsf> gnash is such a failure
14:02 < nsf> it was priority #1 gnu project and wasn't able to deliver
anything sensible
14:02 < uriel> Flash is such a failure...
14:03 < uriel> nsf: given that Adobe can't deliver anything sensible, I
don't think one can blame GNU for this, and I say this as a vicious critic of GNU
14:04 < nsf> I don't know, at least adobe flash works most of the time
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14:06 < uriel> for rather low values of 'most' (specially on linux, but even
on windows I have had it crash/hog my web browser quite often)
14:07 < nsf> hehe, but now we have chromium, where it's easy to restart
flash player plugin without closing the browser :)
14:07 < mpl> hogging your web browser is not a failure.  not only it works
but it forces you to buy new hardware and help everyone get out of the financial
crisis.
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14:12 < uriel> nsf: sadly, I have had flash basically bring chromium into a
crawling halt
14:12 < uriel> (you can kill it, but even getting to that can be a huge
pain)
14:12 < uriel> mpl: hehehe
14:12 < nsf> uriel: well, I haven't seen that kind of behaviour
14:13 <+iant> I certainly have
14:14 < nsf> but I agree that avoiding flash in web is a good idea
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14:15 < mpl> I use chrome without flash.  when I really have to watch some
flash I start ff for it and then close it.  not only it avoids rotting my chrome
but it prevents me from getting too distracted.
14:15 < nsf> the only web site I see flash in is youtube
14:16 < nsf> well, and other video hostings
14:16 < nsf> like vimeo
14:17 < nsf> other than that flash is useless
14:17 < nsf> :)
14:18 * uriel wonders when will youtube make all videos available via html5...  I
hope it doesn't take long, I often browse with the flash plugin disabled, and then
i run into a youtube video that is flash only :(
14:19 < nsf> I have that thing enabled too, but for some reason there is a
lot of flash only videos
14:19 <+iant> it's super complicated because so many videos have copyright
issues attached to them
14:19 < nsf> :(
14:19 < nsf> it's sad
14:19 <+iant> As far as I know HTML5 doesn't have the controls needed for
copyright
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15:59 < matti_> is there an equivalent of Python's urllib.urlopen() in
Google Go?
16:05 < exch> matti_: check out the http package..  specifically http.Get()
16:07 < matti_> thanks
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17:10 < gmilleramilar> shouldn't there be a construct like select that works
for an unknown number of channels?
17:11 < gmilleramilar> that is if the number of channels is unknown at
compile time, you have to busy-wait, right?
17:13 < TheSeeker> channel iterators?
17:14 < anticw> gmilleramilar: it's been discussed, right now there isn't a
good solution
17:14 < anticw> gmilleramilar: there are ways to work-around it for now,
greating goroutines that listen on the channels and relay msgs, etc
17:16 < gmilleramilar> anticw: yeah, I guess that would work.
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17:17 < gmilleramilar> what's preventing the implementation of a better
solution?
17:19 < gmilleramilar> like a Select method in the standard library that
takes an arbitrary number of channels?
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17:37 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gCOSs by [Robert Griesemer] in
go/src/pkg/go/scanner/ -- go/scanner: removed scanner/internal-only uses of
token.Position
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17:48 <+iant> gmilleramilar: nobody has thought of a way to do select
efficiently with an arbitrary number of channels
17:48 <+iant> it's probably solvable, but it's not particularly easy
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18:09 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gCTsB by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/netchan/ --
netchan: fix locking bug.
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19:55 < gmilleramilar> Can anyone point me to documentation about what the
expected behavior is when you do something like ' import "./mypkg" '
19:56 < cbeck> It looks for mypkg.6 in the current dir that declares
'package mypkg'
19:57 < cbeck> Not sure it's much more comp[licated than that
19:57 < SirPsychoS> not mypkg.a?
19:57 < cbeck> s[//
19:57 < cbeck> .a might work as well, but I'm not certain
19:58 < gmilleramilar> yeah, it's those sorts of uncertainties that I was
looking for documentation on.  the spec is silent on the issue
19:59 < SirPsychoS> I know .a works, that's how I did it for a few other
projects
19:59 < SirPsychoS> between the two of us, it looks like we know .a works
and we know .6 works?
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20:03 < SirPsychoS> Is there really no bitmap decoder (i.e.  "image/bmp") in
Go?
20:04 < Tonnerre> It's really easy to write one
20:04 < SirPsychoS> yeah, that's the only reason I could think of that there
wouldn't be one
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20:05 < SirPsychoS> other than the confusion around header versions, it's
basically for { pixel = read() }
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20:53 < vsrinivas> hi go folks; just wondering about the runtime, is
[568]g's runtime still using the mark-sweep collector?
20:54 < skelterjohn> iant is the one to ping about that
20:54 <+iant> vsrinivas: yes, it is
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20:57 < Esmil> Does the arm version require something later than armv5te ?
20:58 < vsrinivas> okay, thanks!
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21:13 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gDgQq by [Kai Backman] in go/src/pkg/rpc/ --
Fix a deadlock bug in the rpc client.  The panic will trigger
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21:22 < Esmil> Ahh, I just read about the GOARM variable
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21:48 < samuncle> hello ?
21:49 < cbeck> Hi!
21:50 < samuncle> I'm testing go in the Playground
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23:01 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gDuBB by [Robert Griesemer] in
go/src/pkg/sync/ -- sync: fix typo in documentation
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23:32 < enferex> Ive only used the "flag" package before, is there a
lighterweight way of pulling stuff off the command line?
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23:32 < cbeck> os.Argv
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23:33 < enferex> ah os.
23:33 < enferex> cbeck: ah yep
23:33 < enferex> thanks
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23:34 < enferex> I was looking through thesource of "flag"
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