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00:48 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gDIGU by [Andrew Gerrand] in 2 subdirs of go/
-- release.2010-11-02
00:48 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gDIH6 by [Andrew Gerrand] in go/ -- tag
release.2010-11-02
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02:21 < cbeck> this may be a simple question, but given a C ptr to an array,
how would I index into it?
02:23 < exch> You can do pointer arithmatic of sorts, or you can convert it
to a Go slice first
02:24 < cbeck> exch: what would that conversion look like?
02:24 < exch> slice :=
(*(*[1<<31-1]MyType)(unsafe.Pointer(cptr)))[0:len]
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02:25 < nsf> exch: something like that
02:25 < nsf> yeah
02:25 < nsf> I'm wondering
02:25 < nsf> [1<<31-1] is really necessary&
02:25 < nsf> ?
02:25 < exch> 1<<31 -1 is the largest possible slice size
02:25 < nsf> will [0] work as well maybe?
02:25 < exch> If you know what size it 'll be at most, you can use that
02:25 < exch> You can try.  I doubt it though
02:26 < exch> It's not actually creating an array of 1<<31-1 elements,
so it might work
02:26 < exch> In effect, it doesnt really matter either way
02:26 < nsf> yes it's not, but the question is, does compiler check bounds
of an array when taking a slice from it
02:26 < CurtClifton> Are there any known problems with test/script?  (IRC
newb, be gentle)
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02:27 < exch> nsf: I haven't tried it with [0]..  I don't know what it'll do
02:27 < nsf> I'm trying it now
02:27 < nsf> because usually I use [9999]T
02:27 < nsf> as well
02:30 < nsf> no, it doesn't work
02:30 < exch> bummer
02:30 < nsf> compile-time or run-time error
02:31 < CurtClifton> I'm trying to test a three stage communication sequence
and Perform is passing without
02:32 < CurtClifton> any sends on the last channel that I'm waiting for a
receive on.
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02:34 < exch> CurtClifton: I'm not sure what your problem is..  perhaps you
can paste the problem code somewhere
02:34 < CurtClifton> Test fails as expected if I manually run the first
stage and just test the last two.
02:35 < CurtClifton> The code is pretty involved at the moment—working on a
solution to the Santa Claus problem.
02:36 < CurtClifton> I'll post in a couple minutes.
02:40 < CurtClifton> Here's the code I'm testing.
http://pastebin.com/QMV9TfJG Working on the sequence inside NewReindeer.
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02:42 < CurtClifton> Here's the test code.  http://pastebin.com/V5FacCdv
02:43 < CurtClifton> The test passes even though the send in line 76 of
santa.go is sending the wrong value.
02:43 < CurtClifton> In fact, it passes even without any send at all there.
02:44 < CurtClifton> But if I don't check for the arrive event (lines 46-48
of the tests), but just do a manual <-ch.
02:44 < CurtClifton> Then the alarm event only passes if I send on line 76
of santa.go
02:47 < exch> I have no idea what is going on tbh.  I have never used the
testing/script package though
02:48 < CurtClifton> I'm working on a test case to add to script_test.go in
the package.  I'll post back if I learn something.
02:49 < nsf> hehe, I think append is less efficient than usual inserting,
consider this:
02:49 < nsf> s := []BigStruct{...}
02:50 < nsf> s = append(s, BigStruct{...})
02:50 < nsf> there will be two copies
02:50 < nsf> instead of 1
02:50 < nsf> and you can't reduce that
02:50 < nsf> I'm wondering is it possible for compiler to optimize that
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02:52 < nsf> I guess Go is certainly not about efficiency
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02:57 < CurtClifton> OK, not surprisingly it was user error.
02:58 < CurtClifton> When I added the code for performWithTimeout I started
dropping the errors on the floor.
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02:58 < CurtClifton> Here's the corrected helper:
http://pastebin.com/EcnX2cAA
02:59 < exch> +1 for proper error handling :)
03:00 < CurtClifton> -1 for doing TDD and not checking for errors!
03:00 < CurtClifton> I'm getting the hang of this Go stuff though.  Great
fun!
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04:20 < nsf> lol, google analytics coupons mail was filtered by gmail as
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10:16 < HollyRain> when you're writting on "os.Stdout", is really necessary
to handle a possible error?  since it always is going to write it without problem
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12:31 < nsf> am I the only person who sees that all OpenGL apps are broken
in Go?
12:33 < nsf> well, I guess no one cares
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12:40 < yiyus> nsf: what do you mean by "append is less efficient than usual
inserting"?
12:41 < nsf> nevermind, that was just a thought, although I still think it's
true
12:41 < nsf> but it's not important
12:41 < yiyus> i think they have the same efficiency, but i'm not sure i
understood you
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13:40 < nsf> yiyus: the point was that 'append' is not inlined
13:40 < nsf> and good 'append' implementation should be inlined
13:41 < nsf> but I don't know is it true or not
13:41 < nsf> so..  it was just a though
13:41 < nsf> thought*
13:42 < nsf> and that's just my kind of defect, I'm very concerned about low
level optimizations without any reason whatsoever
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13:43 < nsf> years of brain damaging via using C++..
13:43 < nsf> :(
13:47 < mbohun> that is actually very funny - because most c++ programmer
bloat all that crap with inheritance, but at the same time they talk about
"performance" and worry about temporary copies and engage in deep conversations
about RVO :-)
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13:50 < nsf> well, yeah, some kind of a defect I guess
13:50 < Namegduf> Well, it's a present implementation problem
13:50 < nsf> I guess that's because they are also C programmers in the past
13:50 < nsf> or even in the present
13:50 < Namegduf> But it'd be a known one, I think.
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13:53 < mbohun> don't you ever dare to talk about C programmers or the holy
kernel level programming without respect :-) the justice will find you...
13:53 < nsf> and well, it's a known fact that gc compiler suite lacks lots
of optimizations, therefore talking about inefficient 'append' is kind of out of
context
13:54 < nsf> it is probably, because go doesn't have generics, it is,
because go doesn't have inlining (as far as i know)
13:54 < nsf> etc.
13:54 < Namegduf> Lacking inlining in particular is known already anyway.
13:55 < nsf> well, that's what I'm talking about
13:55 < nsf> me complaining about inefficiencies is stupid :)
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13:57 < nsf> hehe, I've coded Go today using my own documentation stuff, it
turns out it's quite useful, if you haven't seen that:
http://nsf.github.com/gowtf/
13:57 < nsf> useful without keyboard, perfect for console junkies :)
13:57 < nsf> oops
13:57 < nsf> I mean without mouse
13:57 < nsf> of course :D
13:59 < mpl> nsf: now can you do an acme "plugin" to read your doc in acme,
for the mouse junkies?  ;)
14:00 < nsf> hehe, no, I'll leave it for someone else
14:00 < nsf> magical mouse chord-gestures system
14:00 < nsf> lol
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14:01 < mpl> hmm I managed to tempt myself in doing it actually.  one of the
next projects in the stack then :)
14:01 < nsf> I don't know, I don't like mouse
14:02 < nsf> unless I'm playing shooter games of course
14:02 < nsf> :D
14:04 < mpl> I used to be a vim only, keyboard only user.  acme changed my
mind :)
14:05 < nsf> I've tried acme and emacs, didn't get both
14:05 < nsf> once vimer, forever vimer I guess
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14:41 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gFsNZ by [Adam Langley] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/ -- crypto: add cast5
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14:59 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gFw2e by [Adam Langley] in 4 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/crypto/ -- crypto: switch block ciphers to detination first.
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17:13 < blAckEn3d> hey, does calling time.Sleep() in a goroutine eat up an
os thread?
17:14 < blAckEn3d> because that's how it seems
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17:16 <+iant> blAckEn3d: yes, it currently does
17:17 <+iant> but another OS thread will be created automatically--it
doesn't count against GOMAXPROCS
17:17 < blAckEn3d> iant: yeah, but when using the tmeout idiom doesn't that
mean that it will eat up an os thread for each operation waiting for a possible
timoeut?
17:18 <+iant> if they all call time.Sleep, yes
17:18 <+iant> you could also use time.Tick
17:18 <+iant> perhaps
17:19 < sauerbraten> how may I check if a string contains another string,
like if "def" is in "abcdefghijkl"?
17:19 < blAckEn3d> I'll look into it
17:19 < exch> sauerbraten: strings.Index()?
17:19 < blAckEn3d> basically I need a scalable way to set a timeout
17:19 < sauerbraten> k I'll have a look att his
17:20 < blAckEn3d> I want to start a large number of goroutines which can
timeout
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18:00 < nigelkerr> blAckEn3d: article on timing out:
http://blog.golang.org/2010/09/go-concurrency-patterns-timing-out-and.html
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18:18 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gG3is by [Rob Pike] in go/doc/ -- Effective
Go: correct error in recent edit: "..." is in call to Sprintln, not Output.
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18:29 < fhs> sauerbraten, strings.Contains (if you're using the latest
release)
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18:49 < sauerbraten> mhm don't know I checked out a week or so ago
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18:59 < TheSeeker> append() does seem to make code a lot prettier.
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19:07 < TheSeeker> Am I right in thinking that 'goinstall -dashboard=true'
is supposed to list the packages at godashboard.appspot.com/package then
terminate?
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19:21 < plexdev> http://is.gd/gGbYR by [Rob Pike] in go/src/cmd/goyacc/ --
units: fix compilation
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22:16 < raylu> does go have a set data structure?
22:17 <+iant> you can use a map as a set
22:17 < raylu> what would the value types be?
22:17 < cbeck> Not builtin, but if you're making a set of primitives,
map[type]bool works well
22:17 <+iant> just store true for values that are in the set
22:18 <+iant> values that are not in the set will give you false anyhow on
lookup
22:19 < raylu> i'm actually thinking of mapping to chars.  is there a data
type for a "rune" that is guaranteed to be ascii?
22:19 < Namegduf> you can use byte if you like.
22:20 < Namegduf> And it's what you'll get from a "simple" indexing into a
string.
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22:40 < raylu> so i have a map of strings -> strings now.  deletion is
Ban["something"] = "", false.  is there a way to not use "" here?
22:40 < Tv> why not just remove it from the map, instead of storing empty
string?
22:40 < raylu> how do i remove it from the map?
22:40 < TheSeeker> Can Go use c++ libraries?  Or only C libraries?
22:41 < raylu> i'm pretty sure it's assignment with ", false"
22:41 < raylu> http://golang.org/doc/effective_go.html#maps
22:42 < Tv> silly that you need a value there
22:42 <+iant> TheSeeker: for C++ libraries you will probably want to use
SWIG
22:42 < Tv> "foo[bar] = _, false"?
22:42 < raylu> tried that: nickchan.go:143: cannot use _ as value
22:43 < Tv> yeah i didn't expect it to work
22:43 < Tv> just saying, odd to need one
22:43 * raylu nods
22:43 < Tv> especially when go has no universal no-value such as python's
None
22:43 < Tv> (nil is only for "pointered" data)
22:44 <+iant> seems to me that we should let m[k] = _, false work
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22:44 <+iant> would you mind filing an issue for that?
22:44 < Tv> please not me, my brain is not functional right now..
22:44 < Tv> getting the plague :(
22:44 * raylu files it
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23:50 < unhygienix> what do I call to make a goroutine sleep for a few
seconds?
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23:53 <+iant> unhygienix: time.Sleep
23:53 < unhygienix> thanks
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