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00:33 < nsf> https://github.com/nsf/goal I've added more examples as well as
few fixes
00:33 < nsf> surprisingly this stuff kinda works for me
00:34 < nsf> although usage guide is apparently missing
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16:31 < hokapoka> woha!  it's dead in here today,
16:32 * hokapoka wonders if there's some great Go event he didn't hear about!
16:32 < aiju> everyone is too busy with serious work
16:32 < hokapoka> heh
16:32 < aiju> like me writing a rant about the GPL lol
16:35 < TheSeeker> ooh, goclipse updated to 0.0.18
16:35 < aiju> wtfi goclipse?
16:35 < aiju> don't tell me they put go into eclipse
16:35 < hokapoka> eclipe for go
16:35 < aiju> wow.
16:35 < aiju> is there .NET GO yet?
16:35 < hokapoka> I'm only guessing, I prefer text based editer.
16:35 < hokapoka> heh
16:36 < aiju> I prefer text editors which work
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16:36 < fuzzybyte> goclipse was horribly buggy on me at least.
16:36 < hokapoka> .go
16:36 < aiju> s/goclipse/eclipse
16:40 < KBme> +1
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16:51 < Belg> What's the interface to let a type return a byte-slice, as in
the equivalent to implementing the String() method to return a string?
16:55 < aiju> something like interface {byteslice() byte[]}?
16:55 < aiju> *Byteslice
16:56 < Belg> aiju: Perfect, thank you :)
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17:18 < KBme> is there a way close(chan) can block?
17:19 < KBme> it's weird, I think it's blocking for me
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17:23 < KBme> hrrrrm either that or I screwed up my locking :P
17:26 < aiju> you shouldn't lock at all
17:26 < aiju> Go isn't about locking
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17:32 < KBme> there is some stuff you need to lock if you have multiple
goroutines
17:32 < KBme> like maps
17:32 < KBme> anyways, i gotta run right now
17:32 < KBme> laterz
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17:49 < Eko> In the gc compilers, what's the performance hit in converting
from string to []byte?  In other words, if I have an application that is doing
extensive sub-slicing of strings, should I store these as slices of a [...]byte
and only convert to a string when needed?
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18:16 < uriel> Eko: hard to tell I'd think, depends on what you are doing
with the slices
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18:16 < uriel> Eko: I'd use whatever works more naturally, and then profile,
if it is too slow, than try to see if you can optimize something
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18:39 < Eko> Incidentally, is it impossible to have mutually recursive
packages?
18:39 < skelterjohn> yes
18:39 < skelterjohn> they would have to be compiled simultaneously
18:39 < skelterjohn> if it were allowed
18:39 < skelterjohn> in which case you could just as well have them be the
same package
18:40 < skelterjohn> go packages and namespaces (what java calls packages)
aren't quite the same thing
18:40 < Eko> that's what I figured.
18:40 < Eko> I just combined the two into the same package, and it works
fine.
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21:31 < x-kent> Where can I find information why Go needs tuple assignments
? Can't find anything on golang.org
21:33 < x-kent> anyone ?
21:36 < DarthShrine> On why it needs tuple assignments?
21:39 < x-kent> sorry, seems I messed here.  Replace "tuple assignments"
with "multiple assignments"
21:40 < anticw> needs?
21:41 < x-kent> why it includes it ? I mean it is only for comfort or it
allows some special functionality ?
21:43 < Namegduf> x-kent: It allows certain functionality to be provided by
the language without returning structures
21:43 < Namegduf> The biggest is probably "v, ok := x.(type)" type
assertions.
21:44 < aiju> also, long tuple assignments are a great way to obscure
programs
21:44 < aiju> ◔ ◡ ◔
21:44 < Namegduf> Also important are non-blocking channel reads/writes, and
map access.
21:45 < Namegduf> It also allows certain idioms.
21:45 < Namegduf> x, err := blah() as an error handling mechanism
21:45 < Namegduf> Which while perhaps potentially implementable in C is
painful enough to be unwieldy, while in Go it's an idiom.
21:46 < x-kent> Thanks, that's the exact explanation I needed.
21:47 < aiju> Go is probably the only language designed in this century with
goto lol
21:47 < Namegduf> I'd be surprised at that.
21:47 < Namegduf> Also I'm using goto.
21:47 < aiju> me too
21:48 < aiju> "goto is evil" folks shall get off my lawn
21:49 < DarthShrine> "return" is just a fancy goto anyway :)
21:49 < aiju> so are break and continue
21:49 < aiju> in fact, i mainly use goto as a sophisticated break
21:49 < Namegduf> Go's goto can't do that, but it can do break and continue
and more important stuff
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21:49 < Namegduf> I use it to "restart" functions
21:50 < aiju> for { deep nested loop for { if foo { goto match } } }
21:50 < Namegduf> Specifically, I'm writing a lock-free data structure whose
writes use Cas (pilfered from the sync package) directly
21:50 < aiju> return notfound
21:50 < aiju> match:
21:50 < Namegduf> Writes whose compare-and-swap fail need to restart
21:50 < Namegduf> I might manage to delete those gotos later, though.
21:50 < aiju> oh compare-and-swap
21:51 < aiju> the synthesis paper contained some section about that
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