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00:47 < inv_arp> hmm..  is it easy to decompile a go binary as say java
.class files?
00:48 < Namegduf> No
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00:48 < Namegduf> Go binaries are compiled in a similar manner to C
00:48 < Namegduf> As opposed to an intermediary form
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00:56 < inv_arp> Namegduf: ah ok..
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04:45 < vsmatck> Seems like error handling is very verbose in Go. Just
finished a 33 line function.  21 lines are if err != nil {return err}.
04:46 < vsmatck> It's not usually this bad I guess.  Just db stuff and lots
of converting from interface to type.
04:49 < vsmatck> I'm not sure if this is a bad thing even.  When I use
exceptions in other languages I often don't even think about what exceptions might
be thrown.  With this verbose error handling I always know exactly every way in
which a function might fail.
04:49 < uriel> vsmatck: maybe the api you are using is not very well
designed?
04:49 < nsf> vsmatck: there is a type of code which is a very error prone
04:49 < nsf> usually it's I/O
04:50 < nsf> and correct handling of that is a verbose
04:50 < vsmatck> The API is not very good.  It's the mongogo API.  However,
I'm working to improve it.
04:50 < vsmatck> It's just that designing a good API is hard.  :)
04:50 < nsf> other things usually are not that bad
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04:50 < uriel> also, the if foo, ok; ok { } idiom makes things much nicer
04:51 < uriel> er + := blah() obviously
04:51 < vsmatck> nsf: Now that I think about it IO code does seem worse.
04:51 < nsf> it is pretty bad, yeah
04:51 < vsmatck> I saw that idiom before.  I need to start using it.
04:51 < nsf> almost each Write* function returns an os.Error
04:52 < nsf> even in bufio
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04:52 < nsf> but usually the resulting code isn't really bad
04:52 < nsf> it contains a bit of noise
04:52 < nsf> just add nice commented sections for that
04:52 < vsmatck> yeah, it's straitforward, just verbose.
04:52 < nsf> like // do this
04:53 < nsf> / do that
04:53 < nsf> etc.
04:53 < nsf> yeah
04:56 < nsf> http://pastie.org/1407867
04:56 < nsf> that's the way I write it
04:56 < nsf> oops, noticed a typo
04:56 < nsf> hehe
04:57 < nsf> "wrute rune" :D
05:04 < fuzzybyte> so there's now (at least) three mongodb bindings:
gomongo, go-mongo and mongogo?  which one of them works the best?
05:06 < fuzzybyte> gomongo apparently has the most forks and watchers in
github than other
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05:06 < Namegduf> I suggest forking your own
05:06 < nsf> :D
05:06 < Namegduf> It seems to be what everyone else is doing
05:06 < Namegduf> So it must be right
05:08 < fuzzybyte> well i already did fork gomongo before..  so yeah
05:08 < Namegduf> Best make another fork.
05:08 < fuzzybyte> i just haven't tried the other two bindings (and their
forks)
05:09 < Namegduf> I suspect they're mostly forked for maintenance reasons.
05:09 < Namegduf> It seems to be the case that whenever a package is
improperly maintained they fork it themselves and maintain it for a fortnight,
then it repeats, if not immediately then next time they aren't paying attention
for a week.
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07:25 < reiddraper> anyone give a hint to what the compile error "used as
value" means?
07:29 < cbeck> Are you using a statement as a value?
07:29 < cbeck> Paste the offending line, or perhaps pastebin some context?
07:30 < reiddraper> app.Route(request.URL.Path)(conn.Writer, request)
07:31 < reiddraper> app.Route returns a func
07:31 < cbeck> (app.Route(request.URL.Path))(conn.Writer, request)
07:32 < reiddraper> cbeck: same error
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07:33 < cbeck> Hrmm
07:34 < cbeck> pastebin a bit more context?
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07:34 < reiddraper> here is the file
07:34 < reiddraper> https://gist.github.com/755944
07:34 < reiddraper> cbeck: with your change
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07:36 < cbeck> lookin'
07:36 < reiddraper> cbeck: appreciate it
07:43 < cbeck> reiddraper: https://gist.github.com/755948
07:43 < cbeck> Try that
07:43 < cbeck> in newConn you were effectively double-buffering, what wasn't
the issue, but probably wasn't what you wanted
07:47 < reiddraper> cbeck: ok, think I understand what you mean.  Still not
sure what my problem with using the function returned by app.Route could be
07:53 < cbeck> I don't think it was app.Route, I think it was conn.Writer
07:53 < cbeck> conn implements writer, I think the confusion stems from how
interfaces work
07:54 < cbeck> I don't have a toolchain on this box to test it
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07:57 < reiddraper> cbeck: ok, will dig into the a bit.  thanks.
07:57 < reiddraper> for what it's worth, with the original gist i sent you,
changing this line:
07:58 < reiddraper> (app.Route(request.URL.Path))(conn.Writer, request)
07:58 < reiddraper> to
07:58 < reiddraper> helloHandler(conn.Writer, request)
07:58 < reiddraper> / just hardcoding that handler
07:58 < reiddraper> works OK
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07:58 < reiddraper> compiles, and serves http
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08:43 < taruti> Anyone familiar with go9p here?  Is there an elegant way to
construct dynamic directories whose contents can differ on each lookup, i.e.  no
static srv.Files.
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12:13 < KBme> taruti: sure it is
12:14 < KBme> that's the point of 9p
12:14 < KBme> look at timefs
12:14 < KBme> it'll always have different contents
12:14 < KBme> srv/examples/timefs
12:14 < KBme> oops, .go ☺
12:15 < KBme> now to debug my deadlock..
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12:36 < KBme> ipv6 is really buggy :(
12:36 < aiju> with Go?
12:36 < KBme> yep
12:37 < KBme> first off it can't lookup ipv6 addresses on an ipv4 domain
name server
12:45 < KBme> lookup in general is buggy with ipv6
12:45 < KBme> it couldn't resolve ipv6.chat.freenode.net for example.  I
don't even understand why
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13:26 < taruti> KBme: that is for _files_, directories are different since
the Read method of src.File is not called on them
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13:28 < KBme> taruti: yes, it is
13:28 < KBme> read is called the same for directories and files
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13:29 < KBme> at least that's the impression I get from http://is.gd/jyPSS
13:30 < taruti> at line 402
13:31 < taruti> it is *Fsvr Read that calls *File Read only on
nondirectories
13:31 < taruti> and the directory part seems coded there
13:32 < taruti> (now I think I could subtype Fsvr and copy paste the code
perhaps..)
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14:48 < creack> ello
14:48 < creack> Do someone know if there is something like WAIT_ANY in go?
14:49 < creack> I tried to give -1 to os.Wait and syscall.Wait4 but it looks
very random...
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15:31 < creack> and when I try to use waitpid() via cgo, I always get "no
child process"
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15:39 < skelterjohn> what behavior are you trying to achieve?
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17:26 < Eko> Namegduf: so, I came up with (what I think is an) innovative
way to blend the "locking" concept with my use of event channels
17:28 < Eko> I have an event cleverly called Lock that carries with it a new
chan Event, and when it is received that event blocks the event loop, but by
starting another event loop with the given channel.  That way, only code with
access to the new event channel can execute events.  Then, when that channel is
closed, event processing continues normaly.
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18:00 < reiddraper> anyone around to take a look at a runtime error?
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18:08 < plexdev> http://is.gd/jzQ5c by [Adam Langley] in
go/src/pkg/crypto/cipher/ -- crypto/cipher: fix OCFB
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18:24 < plexdev> http://is.gd/jzTTh by [Sebastien Binet] in
go/src/pkg/exp/eval/ -- simple fix to not have 'exp/eval' panic in presence of
slices like s[:2]
18:24 < plexdev> http://is.gd/jzTTr by [Stefan Nilsson] in
go/src/pkg/strconv/ -- atof: added 'E' as valid token for exponent
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18:34 < Eko> reiddraper: don't ask to ask, just ask
18:35 < reiddraper> Eko: will do.  got it figured out actually though.
18:36 < Eko> there are so many times I'll ask a question and come back later
to find someone answered.  Without a 24/7 active channel, sometimes we have to
wait ^_^
18:36 < aiju> or somebody will just rtfm it…
18:37 < aiju> (one of the major IRC annoyances, right before "that's a
homework question")
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18:38 < Eko> lol.
18:38 < reiddraper> aiju: true.  fortunately the go-nuts channel has been
kind to me thus far
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18:38 < Eko> I've actually never been told my question was a homework
question, but then again, I sleep with Don S. Raymond's "How to ask a question"
under my pilow at night.
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18:39 < aiju> Eko: depends on the channel
18:39 < aiju> Eko: common in ##electronics or ##math
18:39 < Eko> ah.
18:39 < aiju> never happened to me in an "IT" channel either
18:40 < aiju> but i often get RTFM'ed on actually difficult questions
18:40 < vsmatck> Eric S. Raymond?
18:40 < Eko> I usually only ask in language channels like C, C++, Java,
Ruby, and OS channels like linux
18:40 < Eko> er, yeah, Eric
18:40 < Eko> I get his first name confused because one of my CS teachers was
named Don S Raymond.
18:40 < aiju> haha
18:40 < Eko> (though he got fired for slamming a student's fingers in his
locker)
18:40 < Eko> (twice)
18:40 < aiju> haha
18:40 < vsmatck> That's a great page.  The "how to ask questions" page.
18:41 < Eko> yep.  I routinely answer people bad questions and then provide,
unadorned, a link to that page at the end hoping that they'll click it and take
the hint.
18:41 < aiju> i think it's different with IRC…
18:41 < Eko> also, I think JFGI is the new RTFM.
18:42 < skelterjohn> i like to give links to lmgtfy.com
18:42 < aiju> JFGI?
18:42 < aiju> just fucking google it?
18:42 < Eko> yep.
18:42 < Eko> same idea as LMGTFY (let me google that for you)
18:42 < aiju> some questions are faster answered by actual people than by
google…
18:42 < skelterjohn> lmgtfy is a bit punchier if the recipient isn't
familiar with it
18:43 < aiju> especially bad with latex symbols
18:43 < Eko> rofl, I've never been to that website before
18:43 < Eko> that's freaking brilliant
18:43 < aiju> "just look in those 200 pages of documentation although i
could tell it to you on the spot"
18:43 < aiju> and thinking "cuz i'm a pro and you're NOOOOOB"
18:43 < Eko> yeah.
18:43 < skelterjohn> there is something to be said for being self-sufficient
18:43 < Eko> it's true
18:44 < Namegduf> JFGI is an appropriate response where the question is
irrelevant to the channel, though.
18:44 < Eko> but you also learn that by needing the answer when nobody is in
the channel ;-)
18:44 < skelterjohn> if someone treats me as walking talking documentation,
i find it irritating
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18:44 < Namegduf> I see a lot of basic "How I use Linux" questions in server
support channels
18:44 < Namegduf> It's a real irritation
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18:44 < Eko> Namegduf: scroll up and look for my highlight
18:44 < aiju> skelterjohn: i really don't mind it too much
18:44 < aiju> skelterjohn: as long as it doesn't get too annoying i don't
mind if people occasionally ask stupid questions
18:44 < skelterjohn> lmgtfy is sort of like teaching a man to fish
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18:45 < skelterjohn> rather than giving him a fish
18:45 < skelterjohn> etc
18:45 < Eko> rof.
18:45 < Namegduf> Eko: That's an interesting idea.  What're you using it
for?
18:45 < aiju> Namegduf: hahaha
18:46 < Namegduf> Or things like "How I build" where an INSTALL file is
provided, etc
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18:46 < Eko> Namegduf: the server routine uses it to lock the channel
routines while unregistering a client and sending QUIT messages so that messages
don't get sent to the dying *Client and cause things like "too many operations on
closed channel"
18:46 < Namegduf> Ah.
18:46 < Namegduf> All of them?
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18:46 < Eko> I'm sure I'll find more uses for it as I clean things up
18:46 < Eko> Namegduf: nope, just the ones that the client was on
18:46 < Namegduf> How about messages from other clients?
18:47 < Eko> what do you mean?
18:47 < Namegduf> Does a client sending a message to another client go
through a channel goroutine?
18:48 < Eko> no, that'd go through the server routine, which is the one
processing the QUIT or disconnect, so it's inherently blocked out
18:48 < Namegduf> Okay, that works.
18:49 < Eko> I'm sure I've got holes in my model, but hopefully I'll find
them as I clean stuff up or other people will find them when (if?) people start
using the server
18:49 < Eko> Namegduf: does yours support server-to-server links?  If so,
what protocol do they use?
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18:51 < Namegduf> Not yet.  But I would implement TS6
18:51 < Namegduf> It's an accepted standard which will link with some
existing IRCDs
18:51 < Namegduf> And more importantly, Services
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18:57 < Eko> Namegduf: that's what I'm thinking too
18:58 < Eko> though I thought I might be biased because I helped develop an
early version of what became TS6
18:59 < Namegduf> There's no other really common ones.
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20:02 < Eko> my system apparently can't really handle 500 simultaneous
connections between a pair of very high CPU usage tasks or something.
20:02 < Eko> I can do 400, but when I up it to 500 suddenly the tasks become
unkillable when they should be exiting and lots of really bad things start to
happen.
20:03 < Eko> Guess I'll have to try it on my linux server later and make
sure it's not something that the go runtime is causing.
20:03 < Namegduf> What OS are you using now?
20:04 < Namegduf> It certainly shouldn't happen on Linux.
20:04 < Eko> Namegduf: Mac OS X.
20:04 < Eko> Shouldn't really happen there either, with a BSD kernel, but
who knows what Apple changed with Mach.
20:06 < tensai_cirno> any1 can help with ELisp?
20:06 < tensai_cirno> I got gocode working with emacs and autocomplete-mode
20:06 < tensai_cirno> but it is very crude
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20:09 < tensai_cirno> https://gist.github.com/756494
20:09 < tensai_cirno> here's code
20:12 < fuzzybyte> tensai_cirno: not sure if relevant, but nsf once told to
me that the gocode's "emacs" mode was just experimental and not really used.
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20:12 < tensai_cirno> fuzzybyte, i'am talked with him today
20:13 < tensai_cirno> he said to look at emacs script
20:13 < tensai_cirno> *write it :)
20:13 < Eko> Okay, no more of that.
20:13 < Eko> I shall limit myself to 200 clients to be safe.
20:13 < KBme> Eko: is your source available somewhere?  :P
20:14 < Eko> KBme: http://bitbucket.org/kylelemons/jaid
20:14 < KBme> oh sweet
20:16 < Eko> just pushed the last few changes (mostly to the faker
subdirectory that I'm trying to use to stress-test)
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20:18 < KBme> well, i'll check the source out, sounds interesting
20:19 < Eko> currently it's using gofr in lieu of a makefile >_>.
Because I'm lazy.
20:19 < Namegduf> Eko: RFC2810 and RFC2813 are ignored by everyone except
IRCnet
20:20 < Eko> Namegduf: I'm starting to notice that.
20:20 < Namegduf> There's a few bits in there which became actual standards,
but the bulk of it isn't.
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20:21 < Eko> even a lot of 2811 is useless
20:21 < Eko> almost no networks support !channels or +channels
20:21 < Namegduf> Nope.
20:21 < Namegduf> (Shouldn't, either; they're a pretty awful idea)
20:21 * Eko +1
20:21 < Eko> I should change that to say RFC2812, TS6, and ISUPPORT.
20:22 < Namegduf> Only the original IRC RFC is actually respected as a
'standard'.
20:22 < Eko> even that though
20:22 < Eko> there are lots of things we think are "errors"
20:22 < KBme> the original irc rfc is a nice rfc
20:22 < KBme> the other ones are mostly bullshit
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20:23 < Namegduf> You should look at CAP and SASL support, though
20:23 < Eko> 2812 is pretty universal
20:23 * KBme notes that
20:23 < Namegduf> Only in that it duplicates the original RFC
20:24 < Eko> well, things like the USER command have been updated to make
more sense
20:24 < Eko> and it specifies more clearly some things about valid
characters, etc
20:24 < Namegduf> Except that it isn't implemented that way
20:24 < Namegduf> In other IRCDs
20:24 < Eko> lol, nope.
20:24 < Eko> hence ISUPPOR.
20:24 < Namegduf> <mode> is also a horrible hack
20:24 < Namegduf> Which is specific to the design of the IRCnet IRCD
20:24 < Eko> <mode>?
20:25 * KBme wonders if he should give a link to his irc client in go
20:25 < Namegduf> The second parameter to their idea of the USER command.
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20:25 < Eko> hmm.
20:25 < Eko> most people seem to support it that way now, though, no?
20:25 < Namegduf> No.
20:25 < Namegduf> They do not.
20:25 < Eko> nevermind then, lol.
20:25 < KBme> USER?
20:25 < Namegduf> No one supports that mode parameter.
20:25 < Eko> my server just ignores the two middle parameters.
20:25 < Namegduf> That's what every other server does.
20:26 < KBme> heh
20:26 < Eko> what do you mean by CAP and SASL?
20:26 < Eko> secure connections?
20:26 < Namegduf> No.
20:26 < KBme> auth
20:26 < KBme> sasl is auth
20:26 < Namegduf> CAP and SASL are recent extensions; the first is for
connection feature negotiation and the second is for authentication.
20:27 < Eko> ah, I thought SASL was something like that.
20:27 < Namegduf> They're portably supported in recent IRCDs but have no
written RFC.
20:27 < Eko> I am wondering how hard it'll be to use go's TLS support to
make secure ports.
20:27 < KBme> and are retardedly complicated
20:27 < KBme> at least sasl is
20:27 < Namegduf> CAP isn't too bad.  SASL kinda is.
20:28 < KBme> is the entire stream just encrypted?
20:28 < Namegduf> If you use TLS
20:28 < KBme> shouldn't be hard then
20:28 < Namegduf> If not, no.
20:29 < Namegduf> IRC doesn't inherently have a STARTTLS thing; some people
tried to invent one but it didn't take off.
20:29 < KBme> augh
20:32 < Eko> have either of you used "crypto/tls"?
20:32 < KBme> :(
20:33 < Eko> it looks as "simple" as making the right tls.Config and then
using that to make a tls.Server whenever you get a new client on that port
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20:35 < Eko> or just getting a tls.Listener which implements net.Listener.
20:35 * Eko wonders.
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21:07 < KBme> if anyone wants to take a look and tell me what they think
https://github.com/soul9/go-irc-chans ;)
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21:16 < fenicks> hello
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21:18 < Eko> I'm getting "version not supported" error messages when I try
to make an SSL connection from xchat =/
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21:41 < Eko> so, apparently crypto/tls only supports TLS v1.0...
21:41 < taruti> most things *should* support TLS
21:43 < Eko> apparently XChat wants it to be SSLv3, which is 3.0, and
TLSv1.0 is 3.1
21:44 < Namegduf> TLS 1.0 was defined in 1999
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21:45 < Namegduf> I think that counts as XChat's problem
21:45 < Eko> indeed.
21:45 < Eko> my browser connects and handshakes
21:45 < Eko> it then has no idea what to do next, lol
21:47 < Eko> with respect to the TLS_VERSION flag on wikipedia: This field
identifies the major and minor version of TLS for the contained message.  For a
ClientHello message, this need not be the highest version supported by the client.
21:47 < tensai_cirno> fuzzybyte, emacs auto-completion-mode cannot show type
signatures
21:47 < tensai_cirno> only method/variable/const name
21:47 < tensai_cirno> :-((
21:47 < Eko> I have a suspicion that that's exactly what's happening; xchat
is advertising 3.0 and the server says NO.
21:51 * Eko downloads wireshark.
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22:11 < tensai_cirno> bleh.  emacs completion
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/492/201012280106331280x800s.png
22:11 < tensai_cirno> vim completion
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/7729/201012280107581280x800s.png
22:11 < tensai_cirno> :(
22:13 < fuzzybyte> i think you need to rewrite the EmacsFormatter interface
in gocode.go
22:14 < tensai_cirno> this isn't hard
22:14 < tensai_cirno> main problem with auto-completion-mode
22:14 < tensai_cirno> i don't know how to print in popup any info except
completion variants
22:14 < tensai_cirno> i can't even supply signatures
22:15 < fuzzybyte> oh
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22:23 < tensai_cirno> fuzzybyte, will try with other frameworks
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22:41 < fuzzybyte> im trying to make go-gedit-plugin with gocode support,
but it is not ready yet.  gedit has sloppy documentation for plugins :(
22:42 < aiju> fuzzybyte: just like every application *cough*
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22:47 < jeff2> printf("x = %f\n", 0.01); // prints x = 0.000000, when
compiled with 6c from release.2010-12-22.  what am I doing wrong?
22:50 < aiju> jeff2: maybe try 0.01f
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22:52 < jeff2> aiju: same result.  0.01f, 0.01F, (float)0.01, (float)0.01f,
(double)0.01.  floating point in cgo seems to be screwy in general
22:52 < Eko> so, SSL is working on my IRC server, but not with xchat aqua.
For instance, Adium connects properly (it just gets confused later).  So, it may
work with a later xchat.
22:52 < aiju> jeff2: really odd
22:53 < Eko> irc://irc.didntdoit.net:16697/#ssl if anyone wants to try.
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23:01 < Eko> (that's ssl, btw)
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