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05:54 < quantumelixir> How do I get an object of type that satisfies the
io.Reader interface associated with a file?
05:56 <+iant> quantumelixir: os.Open
05:56 < quantumelixir> ah, I was looking in syscall..
05:56 < quantumelixir> iant: thanks
05:57 <+iant> syscall is a low level system dependent library which programs
are not expected to call
05:58 < quantumelixir> then the go/doc/progs/ section needs a cleanup :)
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05:58 < quantumelixir> it has an example program file.go that does this
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06:02 <+iant> those programs aren't really expected to be read by
themselves, they are part of http://golang.org/doc/go_tutorial.html
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06:05 < quantumelixir> hmm..  I suppose, for that specific program, they
intentionally did not use os.Open to show how to roll out a package
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06:15 < quantumelixir> Is this the best way to read a file line by line in
Go? http://pastie.org/1489094
06:17 < quantumelixir> The problem is that it's rather slow for large files
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06:34 < Soultaker> quantumelixir: any idea why it's slow?
06:35 < Soultaker> e.g.  would ReadSlice be faster, maybe, because you
wouldn't need to construct so many strings?
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06:40 < quantumelixir> It's a file with 500k lines.  I don't know which of
the two will be faster -- buffered/unbuffered.  It would be ideal to get a
[]string result.
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07:28 < taruti> Are the len and cap fields of a slice 4 or 8 bytes long on
amd64?  i.e.  is a slice 16 or 24 bytes?
08:09 < Soultaker> according to runtime.h it's byte* array; uint32 len;
uint32 cap;
08:10 < Soultaker> so 12 bytes on x86, 16 bytes on amd64.
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10:20 < bXi> hmm i'm having some trouble understanding this
10:21 < bXi> i found some example code concerning websockets
10:21 < bXi> but when i try to make some sense of it with print statements i
see the ascii representation of the text i send.
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10:25 < aiju> bXi: printing byte slices?
10:26 < bXi> looks like it
10:26 < aiju> you need to convert those to strings
10:26 < bXi> okay
10:27 < aiju> might be as simple as string(slice) but i'm undercaffeinated
10:27 < bXi> same here
10:27 < bXi> well it is as simple as that!
10:28 < bXi> if i were to do string := string(slice) would i just get a
string i can work with?
10:28 < aiju> yeah
10:28 < bXi> awesome
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10:29 < aiju> note that UTF-8 decoding is done by some string functions, so
you shouldn't do this with binary data
10:30 < bXi> well i understand that websockets pass bytes around
10:31 < bXi> hmm
10:31 < bXi> even if i use weird chinese characters on the web front end the
go stuff actually sees the characters
10:31 < aiju> すごい
10:31 < aiju> ("awesome")
10:34 < bXi> now to find something that handles config files
10:34 < aiju> plain text
10:34 < aiju> for the love of ken
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10:38 < taruti> bXi: just use json
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10:41 < bXi> i was thinking about json
10:42 < bXi> but our config files might become fairly large and json wont be
that easy to edit then
10:42 < aiju> INI format
10:42 < bXi> does go handle that nativly?
10:43 < bXi> i have found a project called goconf which looks fairly good
10:44 < bXi> pretty INI like as well
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10:57 < mosva> Any documents on comipler architecture?
10:57 < aiju> many
10:57 < aiju> or you mean the Go compiler?
10:57 < mosva> yeah
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10:58 < aiju> i couldn't find any documents on Go internals
10:58 < aiju> i just read source
10:58 < mosva> aiju, so you understood the architecture?
10:58 < aiju> no :>
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10:58 < jumzi> i love the word architecture
10:59 < mosva> :)
10:59 < taruti> http://goin.wikispot.org
10:59 < aiju> hey!
10:59 < aiju> why does nobody tell me this shit if i ask?
11:00 < jumzi> You're making everyone feel dum
11:01 < taruti> that was linked on go-nuts at some point
11:01 < mosva> I can't find information in there
11:02 < taruti> what would you like know about?
11:02 < taruti> rsc's blog also has lots of info
11:04 * jumzi shivers at the word "blog"
11:04 < jumzi> Suppose i'll have to accept what the world has becomed
eventually tough
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11:06 < mosva> jumzi, What is the problemw the word blog?
11:07 < jumzi> It's not the word perse!
11:07 < jumzi> Obviously
11:07 < aiju> i call them "stupid pointless websites"
11:09 < mosva> I wouldn't call this:
http://research.swtch.com/search/label/Go pointless
11:09 < jumzi> It's more the culture thats been built up around it, and yeah
the fact that we are so full of ourself that we write a often highly opiniated
diary and put it on the web so other people can see who we are and be...  i don't
know...  affected by us?
11:10 < jumzi> "I'm that important and intressting"
11:10 < jumzi> "And i gave my cat some eggs this morning"
11:10 < amro> a blog is no different than a forum or other website, it could
be useful just as it could be a waste of time
11:11 < aiju> fora are usually useless as well
11:12 < jumzi> I ofcourse oversimplify
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11:14 < jumzi> But blogs generally have a high volume of crap in it, not
saying i sometimes enjoy reading some stuff
11:14 < jumzi> don't w/e
11:15 < amro> the interenet generally has a high volume of crap
11:15 < amro> the trick is to find the good stuff
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11:15 < jumzi> Obsolutely, and looking trough blogs generally is a waste of
time
11:16 * jumzi is facinated by the fact that he can almost spell
11:17 < amro> looking through any form of website in general is a waste of
time
11:17 < amro> stop singling out blogs
11:18 < jumzi> as i said, it's more the culture around them tough, newpapers
and the alike that put emphasiz on them
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11:36 < mosva> Is the parser in Go?
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11:38 < mosva> hello wrtp
11:38 < wrtp> hiya
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11:49 < aiju> mosva: the Compiler?  no
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15:40 < aiju> Go damages the brain
15:40 < aiju> i just wrote e820limits[i], e820limits[k-1] = e820limits[k-1],
e820limits[i]; in C
15:45 < nsf> I'm writing a client/server app in C right now, it's such a
pain in comparison with Go
15:45 < aiju> BSD sockets?
15:45 < nsf> yes
15:46 < aiju> BSD sockets require massive amounts of LSD to work with
15:46 < nsf> ugly standard API, lack of libraries (for some reason most of
the nice libraries are C++ ones)
15:47 < nsf> it's a suprise that no one did a better API for bsd sockets in
a form of a library
15:47 < nsf> at least I haven't found anything
15:47 < aiju> there is p9p stuff
15:47 < aiju> which implements dial()
15:47 < nsf> there is and I don't want to use it :)
15:47 < erus`> What are you writing?
15:48 < nsf> libclang-based autocompletion daemon for C
15:48 < nsf> like gocode
15:49 < nsf> it doesn't require much in terms of functionality, simple IPC
stuff (I use AF_UNIX), simple serialization (I write it by hand)
15:49 < nsf> and that's it
15:49 < aiju> sounds thoroughly evil
15:50 < nsf> writing stuff like that should be easy
15:51 < nsf> in Go it's a nice dial API + RPC
15:51 < nsf> in C...
15:51 < nsf> I don't know, maybe there are some libraries
15:51 < nsf> but I'm bad at using google
15:51 < nsf> I guess
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15:52 < fzzbt> it's hard to google anything as the language is called "go"
15:52 < aiju> golang
15:52 < nsf> I was talking about C
15:52 < aiju> and we have that complaint every 10 minutes
15:53 < nsf> you don't need to google stuff for Go
15:53 < fzzbt> aiju: yes, it should be officially named a "golang"
15:53 < aiju> we should put it into topic
15:53 < aiju> "HOLY SHIT WE KNOW GO IS HARD TO GOOGLE TELL /DEV/NULL"
15:53 < nsf> most of it is on the ML or on the one of the pages with
packages
15:53 < nsf> like go-lang.cat-v.org
15:53 < nsf> or another one which I don't use
15:53 < fzzbt> just like Ericsson's erlang isn't just "er"
15:54 < nsf> it's hard to google stuff for C!
15:54 < amro> erlang is actually called erlang
15:54 < nsf> because it's just one letter, and internet is full of bullshit
for C++ and C#
15:54 < nsf> I use something like: "C library <whatever> -C++ -C#"
15:54 < nsf> gives nice results :)
15:54 < fzzbt> amro: that's what i said
15:54 < nsf> sometimes..  :(
15:55 < amro> fzzbt: golang isn't called golang, it's a keyword
15:55 < amro> er, go isn't*
15:56 < fzzbt> but "go" is short for Google just like erlang stands for
Ericsson language, so it would make sense to call it golang as in Google language
15:56 < fzzbt> or nevermind
15:57 < Namegduf> Go isn't short for Google.  It's a verb.
15:58 < amro> fzzbt: my point is that nobody ever refers to erlang as er or
the Er Programming Language as is done with Go
15:58 < Namegduf> That's because Erlang is called Erlang, not Er, and Go is
called Go, not Golang.
15:58 < amro> indeed
15:59 < Namegduf> Golang is just the official website and commonly in the
vicinity of information on Go, it seems
16:00 < amro> it's a helpful keyword to disambiguate in searches
16:01 < nsf> haha, it's funny, after I've written serialization by hand, I
checked out what protobuf-c generate, and roughly functions for a message were the
same, like 1 to 1..  size, pack, unpack, free_unpacked <- I had these ones too
16:01 < nsf> generates*
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16:05 < nsf> http://www.and.org/ustr/ I wish there were more libraries like
this one for C
16:06 < aiju> i never had too much of a problem with C strings
16:07 < nsf> well, define "problem", snprintf is hard to use in my opinion
16:07 < nsf> char buf[512]; // <- is ugly
16:08 < nsf> std api stays away from memory management as much as possible
16:08 < nsf> and it is a reasonable decision
16:08 < aiju> asprintf
16:08 < nsf> asprintf is a non-standard GNU extension
16:08 < aiju> either it's in the library (GNU/BSD) or you just write those
20 lines for yourself
16:09 < nsf> and basically all it does is allocation, you still can't reuse
memory
16:09 < aiju> "reuse memory"?
16:09 < nsf> yes
16:09 < aiju> what's that supposed to mean?
16:09 < aiju> like with C buffers?
16:09 < nsf> reusing memory?  :)
16:09 < nsf> first of all shared strings with copy on write semantics
16:09 < aiju> you don't reuse memory with Go string routines either
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16:10 < nsf> anyway, I think ustr is nice
16:11 < aiju> Go strings become really funny if you can't allocate memory
16:11 < aiju> Go in general becomes funny (read: unusable) if you can't
allocate memory
16:12 < amro> I'd imagine quite a few languages would
16:12 < aiju> those aren't systems programming languages :P
16:12 < aiju> i'm right now rewriting some lower level parts of gofy into C
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16:21 < aiju> yuck
16:21 < aiju> Go runtime doesn't compile with -v
16:21 < aiju> eh -w
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16:46 < wwkeyboard> What is the preferred method to interact with MySQL?
libmysqlgo is the most recently updated library I could find on github, but it
throws an error when I try to build it.
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16:48 < fzzbt> wwkeyboard: i doubt there's yet any "preferred" binding for
mysql.
16:49 < wwkeyboard> fzzbt: Thanks, I'll keep looking for one that works.
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16:50 < uriel> fzzbt: whatever Erlang stands for "Ericsson Language" is not
clear
16:50 < uriel> in any case, who cares?
16:51 < fzzbt> wwkeyboard: here is 3 listed, but i couldnt get any ofthem
working the last time i tried during fall
http://go-lang.cat-v.org/library-bindings
16:51 < fzzbt> maybe you could fork your own
16:52 < wwkeyboard> fzzbt: Thanks, if I get one working I'll do that.
16:52 * uriel wonders why in this day and age anyone would willingly use mysql for
anything
16:53 < fzzbt> legacy systems, past familiarity, etc.
16:54 < uriel> past familiarity plus masochism, I guess, because I have past
familiarity with mysql, and I hope to keep it that way: in the past, and ideally
to whippe it from my memory
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17:00 < wwkeyboard> uriel: You have to talk to it if thats where someone put
your data.
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17:15 < erus`> Whats th easiest way to get a copy of an array
17:15 < aiju> a = b
17:15 < erus`> a[1] = 9
17:15 < erus`> b[1] == 0
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17:16 < erus`> i need a deep copy
17:17 < aiju> duh write it manually
17:17 < erus`> theres no copy() or something?
17:17 < aiju> there is copy, which copies slices
17:17 < aiju> but there is no ass wiping function :P
17:17 < jodaro> i could totally use one of those
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17:18 < erus`> feature request
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17:21 < uriel> erus`: it should be just a handful of lines
17:22 < taruti> reflect.Deepcopy ;)
17:22 < erus`> it is but i can't help but think its used enough to be
automated
17:22 < aiju> why the fuck are people so afraid of writing shit manually?
17:22 < erus`> code replication?
17:22 < aiju> who cares?
17:22 < WatermelonStorm> aiju: Three slices: lay-zee-ness.
17:23 < aiju> it often takes much longer to search for it than to write it
yourself
17:23 < Namegduf> A deep copy is not something that can be generically
provided
17:23 < Namegduf> Because a shallow copy is not something that is
generically provided
17:23 < Namegduf> And a deep copy is just that, recursively.
17:24 < erus`> I allways tend to re-write built in functions of
whatever-language-im-learning because i dont realize theyre built in.  So i
thought id ask this time
17:24 < Namegduf> Struct types with unexported members are also A)
Impossible to copy from outside the package, aside by providing a method for it.
B) The primary case where it might be useful.
17:26 < Namegduf> Just provide a copy method for your type which does the
Right Thing to copy that type.
17:26 < Namegduf> And don't worry about a generic thing for it.
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18:00 < KBme> how would one make sure a method is only called once at a
time?
18:01 < KBme> i have a few methods of my "object" that would need to not run
duplicated
18:01 < taruti> there is "once"
18:01 < KBme> i'm guessing a lock, but i'd love it if there was an other way
18:01 < KBme> hmm
18:01 < taruti> sync.Mutex
18:02 < KBme> problem is I don't exactly understand how Once works
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18:05 < WatermelonStorm> I'm new to Go. Seems like a pretty awesome
language.
18:06 < kimelto> it is!
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18:29 < taruti> What is the easiest way to express e.g.  0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
in Go? (i.e.  uint64(-1) which doesn't work)
18:32 < WatermelonStorm> I just happen to be looking at the Effective Go
document.
18:33 < WatermelonStorm> taruti: It says this for regular signed ints: "min
:= int(^uint(0) >> 1) // largest int"
18:34 < taruti> so ^uint(0) instead of ^0
18:35 < WatermelonStorm> Apparently.
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18:36 < dario_> how would i go about having only one instance of an object
in my app that can be accessed by other modules via a getLogger() func ?
18:36 < WatermelonStorm> I'm pretty sure int(^uint(0) >> 1) will
return the largest positive int, so what you'll be looking for is ûint64(0).
18:36 < WatermelonStorm> *^ûint64(0).
18:36 < WatermelonStorm> ...
18:36 < WatermelonStorm> Argh.
18:37 < WatermelonStorm> It seems to work, taruti.
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18:37 < WatermelonStorm> taruti: fmt.Println(^uint64(0)) outputs
18446744073709551615.
18:38 < taruti> yes :)
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18:40 < dario_> ah, i might do something in the init() func ...  thx guys
8-)
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20:08 < erus`> Could someone test this on a 32bit computer please.  I got a
report of a seg fault on run.  https://github.com/tm1rbrt/fly
20:09 < nsf> erus`: http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=1262
20:09 < nsf> it's a known bug
20:09 < nsf> with nvidia drivers
20:11 < erus`> ah thanks
20:21 < quantumelixir> What's the use case for a private type with exported
fields?
20:25 < nsf> quantumelixir: you can use it in your module internally
20:26 < quantumelixir> why export the fields then?
20:26 < quantumelixir> oh ok
20:26 < nsf> some APIs require that
20:26 < nsf> like json, etc.
20:26 < quantumelixir> nsf: thanks
20:27 < nsf> or..  for no reason
20:27 < quantumelixir> hehe
20:27 < nsf> maybe someone just likes VariablesStartingWithACapitalLetter
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22:42 < WatermelonStorm> Say, how can I make a map that spans multiple lines
in source code?
22:42 < WatermelonStorm> *in the
22:42 < aiju> WatermelonStorm: by just writing it down?
22:43 < WatermelonStorm> Well...
22:43 < WatermelonStorm> algorithms := map[string]hash.Hash{"md5":
md5.New()} works, of course.
22:43 < WatermelonStorm> But I'd like to have the map on multiple lines.
22:43 < WatermelonStorm> ...
22:43 < WatermelonStorm> I mean, I'd like to add more entries to that map.
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22:44 < WatermelonStorm> Nevermind, I did something unrelated wrong which
caused this to fail.
22:46 < skelterjohn> WatermelonStorm: have the comma at the end of the line
22:46 < WatermelonStorm> Yeah, skelter.
22:46 < WatermelonStorm> It works now.
22:46 < skelterjohn> so, map[key]val{key1:val1,\nkey2:val2 etc
22:46 < WatermelonStorm> I forgot to import a package which caused this to
fail.
22:46 < skelterjohn> cool
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