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00:46 < plexdev> http://is.gd/q9kOxi by [Kyle Consalus] in
go/src/pkg/template/ -- template: Add simple formatter chaining.
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01:32 < Xenith> Hah.  That's amusing.  Installing go failed on my debian
system because it doesn't have ed installed.
01:34 < MaybeSo> *boggle* everyone knows ed is the one true editor!  :)
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01:36 < Xenith> Yea, odd that ed wasn't included by default.
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01:42 < Xenith> Has anyone ever used Doxygen with go projects?
01:43 <+iant> we already have godoc
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01:48 < plexdev> http://is.gd/M1onD3 by [Robert Griesemer] in 3 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/ -- go/printer, gofmt: smarter handling of multi-line raw strings
01:54 < rm445> surely ed is in Debian base?  Had you actively removed it?
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02:05 < Xenith> rm445: I never removed it by hand.  No idea why it wasn't
installed.
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02:50 < crazy2be> hey how do you get godoc to generate documentation for
custom pacakges?
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03:07 < crazy2be> bbl
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03:54 < crazy2be> so any ideas for how to get godoc to generate
documentation for custom packages?
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04:09 < |Craig|> crazy2be: don't you just install the packages (such as with
goinstall) and it works?
04:10 < crazy2be> well i use the go make files with inc src/Make.pkg or w/e
04:10 < crazy2be> *makefiles
04:10 < crazy2be> do i have to goinstall them as well?
04:14 < |Craig|> crazy2be: Depends on the makefile, they can install things
or not.  There may be a way (there prabably is) to run godoc on some arbitrary
source directory though
04:14 < crazy2be> well goinstall doesn't seem to want to install them :/
04:15 < crazy2be> i try to install one, and it complains about missing deps.
Then, i go and try to install the deps.  They seem to install without errors.
04:15 < crazy2be> however, the main one will still not install, complaining
about the missing debs
04:15 < crazy2be> *deps
04:15 < |Craig|> "The -path flag accepts a list of colon-separated paths" -
http://golang.org/cmd/godoc/
04:17 < crazy2be> yeah i tried that
04:17 < crazy2be> it doesn't work right away, and isn't supposed to
04:17 < crazy2be> so i left it for a bit
04:17 < crazy2be> came back, and godoc was using 45% of my RAM
04:17 < crazy2be> and still didn't have them
04:17 < crazy2be> i couldn't work with my computer like that so i had to
kill it :/
04:19 < crazy2be> wish it could just generate static html or something
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04:44 < fhs> crazy2be: you can cd into the package directory, and do 'godoc
-html .'
04:47 < crazy2be> fhs: OOOH!
04:47 < crazy2be> thank you!
04:47 < crazy2be> that's a lot closer to what i was looking for!
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07:59 < adu> WOOT!  my parser works :)
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12:39 < gastal> Trying to update go(hg pull -u) results in "abort: error:
Name or service not known".  Any ideas what the problem might be?
12:40 < aiju> server down?
12:40 < gastal> I've been having that problem for 2 days now and I can ping
go.googlecode.com without a problem....
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14:01 < erus_> Does anyone know of a tutorial for reading/using JSON files
as configuration files, for dummies?
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14:02 < aiju> erus_: c'mon, it's really not hard
14:02 < erus_> Some people are telling me to load into a map
14:02 < erus_> other are telling me not to
14:02 < aiju> how about trying it out?
14:03 < erus_> I may be able to learn from others mistakes rather than my
own and save some time?
14:04 < aiju> now really c'mon
14:04 < aiju> does it take that long to try out?
14:06 < erus_> I guess not
14:09 < erus_> aiju: I want a list/array of scenenodes.  Each scenenode has
different properties like sphere has radius and plane has normal
14:09 < rm445> aiju being a bit harsh IMO.  There is almost certainly room
for 'for dummies' documentation for Go. There's certainly room for *something*
more helpful than the package documentation and source code.
14:10 < rm445> For now I think the JSON tutorial on the Go blog is as much
as there is.  If you can follow that you can probably start rolling your own stuff
immediately.
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14:13 < aiju> erus_: you can also read in a struct
14:13 < erus_> yes but i wont know which type it is until i read it
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15:27 < dario_> so, whats the most effective way of converting between byte
slice and string ?
15:28 < aiju> byte[]() and string()
15:28 < aiju> ehm
15:28 < aiju> ([]byte) and (string)
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15:29 < dario_> oh, right
15:29 < dario_> cuz i was fuzzing with bytes.Buffer and shit ...
15:30 < nsf> aiju: () are not necessary
15:30 < nsf> []byte(..) works
15:30 < nsf> they are necessary only for pointer types
15:30 < aiju> oic
15:30 < nsf> with prefix * operator
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15:30 < aiju> so cast syntax is type(value)?
15:31 < nsf> yes
15:31 < nsf> C: (type)var, Go: type(var)
15:32 < aiju> i think C99 also supports the latter
15:32 < dario_> but (*type)(var)
15:34 < nsf> aiju: never heard anything like that
15:34 < aiju> oh then nvm
15:34 < aiju> but C++ does :>
15:34 < nsf> test.c:6:11: error: expected expression
15:34 < nsf> char c = char(x);
15:34 < nsf> C++, yes
15:34 < nsf> but not C
15:34 < aiju> although it's obsoloted in favour of
wtf_the_fuck_is_this_cast<int>(x)
15:35 < aiju> *e
15:35 < nsf> static_cast usually
15:35 < aiju> almost COBOL like
15:35 < aiju> CAST X TO INT
15:35 < nsf> whatever, I don't use C++
15:35 < nsf> I'm working on a C99 completion daemon right now :D
15:36 < nsf> http://ompldr.org/vN2FzMQ/2011-02-05-191453_644x410_scrot.png
15:36 < nsf> :P
15:36 < nsf> like gocode, but for C
15:36 < nsf> uses libclang
15:36 < aiju> eww localization :P
15:36 < nsf> :)
15:36 * jumzi aims and shoots locale!
15:37 < nsf> btw, I have no idea why I'm using it
15:37 < nsf> for example in GIMP I turn it off explicitly, because it's
nearly impossible to use it with my native locale
15:38 < erus_> Hey skelterjohn
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15:45 < aiju> nsf: i turned it off everywhere, i even start telling sites
i'm from US, i can't stand the localized bullshit
15:46 < nsf> hehe
15:46 < aiju> okay, my windows installations are still localized, because of
their fucking licenses
15:46 < nsf> on windows I use english Steam as well, and hate localized
version of the team fortress 2
15:46 < nsf> but anyway
15:47 < nsf> it's not because like I hate russian, simply because most
translations suck
15:47 < nsf> sadly
15:47 < aiju> yeah same with me and german
15:47 < nsf> or not, I think it's kind of natural
15:47 < jumzi> Hmm, i hate both german and russian
15:47 < nsf> lol
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15:49 < aiju> i only know да and водка
15:49 < nsf> :D
15:49 < aiju> okay, also nyet, but i have no clue how it is spelled
15:49 < nsf> нет
15:49 < nsf> :)
15:49 < aiju> an implicit y somewhere?
15:50 < nsf> um..  no, it's just like that
15:50 < aiju> е is ye or something?
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15:50 < nsf> N letter makes it soft, I don't know
15:50 < aiju> oic
15:50 < nsf> we have another letter for hard E
15:50 < nsf> it's э
15:51 < nsf> english 'net' reads more like нэт
15:51 < nsf> but russian 'нет' more like nyet, yes
15:53 < aiju> also bolsheviki and mensheviki, but i forget what they mean ..
majority and minority?
15:53 < nsf> about N letter making it soft is nonsense, sorry
15:53 < nsf> uhm..  yes, sort of
15:53 < nsf> bolshe means more
15:53 < nsf> menshe means less
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15:54 < aiju> there is probably some Clockwork Orange vocabulary i picked up
as well, but that one's all over the slavic languages
15:54 < nsf> hehe
15:55 < aiju> koshka, was that cat?  *scratcheshead*
15:55 < erus_> Ñ
15:55 < nsf> yes
15:55 < nsf> it's a female cat actually, male cat is 'kot'
15:55 < nsf> :)
15:55 < aiju> in german the female term is generic
15:55 < aiju> a random cat is said to be female
15:56 < jumzi> Woho!  #go-nuts has been transformed into russian and german
101
15:56 < nsf> hehe
15:56 < nsf> jumzi: don't worry, there is an implicit irc rule, if no one
has on-topic questions, off-topic is allowed :D
15:56 < nsf> we're just chatting :P
15:57 < jumzi> s/if on one has on-topic question//
15:58 < nsf> lol
15:58 < nsf> indeed
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16:26 < chee> go is good
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16:55 < uriel> 01:54 < rm445> surely ed is in Debian base?  Had you
actively removed it?
16:56 < uriel> Debian (and other distros) are badly broken by default, the
include tons and tons of useless crap, but are missing something as basic and
fundamental to unix as ed(1)
16:56 < aiju> Ed is the standard text editor.
16:57 < uriel> it is
16:57 < uriel> and a damned useful command line/scripting tool
16:59 < chee> Debian base comes without ed!?
16:59 < chee> i didn't think that was even legal
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17:00 < jodaro> nutz
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17:12 < plexdev> http://is.gd/xTmAxg by [Adam Langley] in
go/src/pkg/crypto/openpgp/packet/ -- crypto/openpgp/packet: two more packet types.
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17:38 < erus_> hey skelterjohn
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18:59 < WatermelonStorm> I ponder if somebody already made some kind of
social community with Go as a backend.
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18:59 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dIJPMK by [Adam Langley] in
go/src/pkg/crypto/tls/ -- crypto/tls: load a chain of certificates from a file.
19:00 < aiju> so-ci-al?
19:00 < plexdev> http://is.gd/wz2oGJ by [Adam Langley] in go/src/pkg/asn1/
-- asn1: marshal true as 255, not 1.
19:00 < plexdev> http://is.gd/79ZThT by [Adam Langley] in
go/src/pkg/crypto/tls/ -- crypto/tls: select best ciphersuite, not worst.
19:00 < WatermelonStorm> aiju: Yes.
19:00 < Ina> It should be possible, at least.
19:00 < WatermelonStorm> Or at least some kind of...  well, frequently
accessed website with Go as a backend.
19:00 < WatermelonStorm> Ina: Of course.
19:00 < aiju> oh you mean a website
19:01 < aiju> i thought you thought of some club which meet each thursday at
the pub to discuss Go
19:01 < aiju> i forgot community means something different in Web 2.0
parlance
19:01 < WatermelonStorm> Heck, you can make a web server with something
running on top of it in this here:
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/L33t_programming_language
19:02 < WatermelonStorm> Probably.
19:02 < WatermelonStorm> ( That is one of the only Esoteric programming
languages I found that have native socket support, actually.  )
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19:03 < Ina> lol
19:03 < WatermelonStorm> Actually, wait.  Silly me, that's just a TCP client
connection it can make.
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19:03 < jumzi> lol, made a social community with go as backend
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19:03 < jumzi> those words just fits my mouth
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19:29 < sussman_> greetings: I usually pull & build every few weeks, but my
mac is getting pegged/hung on the build process today
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19:29 < sussman_> the command 'cgo -- gmp.go' hangs for 3+ hours, eating
most CPU
19:30 < sussman_> the last thing the build process prints before hanging is
"throw: runtime: cannot reserve memory bitmap virtual address space"
19:30 < sussman_> is this a known prob?
19:30 < aiju> probably
19:31 < aiju> might be fixed in a few hours
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19:31 < sussman_> maybe I'll backdate a day or two.  :-)
19:33 < madari_> is it normal that the vsize of my running app is 3986GB
according to'top'
19:34 < aiju> haha no
19:35 < madari_> also, htop looks pretty funny:
http://grab.by/grabs/9183cfbaa7303a46e45265ebf2446d8a.png
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20:02 < jodaro> are there any ~regular go specific meetups in the bay area?
20:03 < aiju> which bay?  :P
20:03 < Xenith> The only one that matters, of course.
20:04 < jodaro> heh
20:04 < jodaro> sorry
20:04 < jodaro> the "San Francisco Bay Area"
20:04 < jodaro> that one
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20:09 < jodaro> maybe i'll see how much interest there is and organize
something
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20:23 < erus_> whats the go idiomatic alternative to enums?
20:23 < TheMue> iota
20:23 < TheMue> const (
20:23 < TheMue> foo = iota
20:23 < TheMue> bar
20:23 < TheMue> yadda
20:23 < TheMue> )
20:26 < exch> more precisely, specific types for constants.  type T uint8;
const( foo T = iota; bar; yadda; )
20:26 < exch> you can then define funcitons to accept params of type T
20:26 < exch> That doesnt strictly limit param values to foo, bar or yadda,
but different values have to be cast to T
20:27 < exch> simply passing uint8 will not work
20:27 < aiju> don't you have to declare bar and yadda as T as well?
20:27 < TheMue> http://golang.org/doc/go_spec.html#Iota
20:28 < exch> Nope.  the first declaraiton of iota is automatically copied
to all subsequent constant values in the same const() block
20:28 < exch> including the T bit
20:28 < TheMue> iota always represents untyped integers
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20:30 < aiju> i can pass other values like 42 perfectly fine
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20:31 < jumzi> woot what!?  Someone said 42!?
20:32 < erus_> thats a strange way todo enums :)
20:32 < exch> hm, thats not right
20:32 < aiju> erus_: you can do some nice tricks with it
20:32 < exch> it suggest Go is doing an implicit conversion from an int to
T. Go shuoldn't be doing implicit conversions, bar some edge cases
20:32 < aiju> like 1<<iota to have 1,2,4,8 instead
20:32 < aiju> exch: 42 is untyped
20:33 < erus_> yeh its cool
20:33 < exch> ah yes
20:33 < aiju> i tend to be explicit with enums
20:34 < aiju> usually just because i need explicit values in some other
context ....
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20:42 < adu> my parser is starting to parse real stuff
20:42 < adu> e.g.  it successfully parsed src/pkg/go/typechecker/universe.go
20:44 < erus_> god i keep putting semicolons by accident
20:44 < aiju> s/;$//
20:44 < aiju> ed power can remove them
20:44 < aiju> eh +1,$ of course
20:46 < erus_> since when did println() add spaces between parameters?  i
knew fmt.Println() did...
20:47 < adu> it took me 2 days to get semicolon insertion working
20:48 < erus_> adu what does your parser do?
20:48 < adu> parse
20:48 < adu> hackage.haskell.org/package/language-go
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20:49 < adu> eventually, I plan to use it to do source transformations, like
a full-fledged (Go--)-to-C, and C-to-Go compilers
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20:50 < adu> granted, part of that will be to define Go--
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20:52 < adu> but for right now, all it does is build an AST
20:52 < adu> also, I haven't even started on the pretty-printer
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21:16 < erus_> adu: I've seen that somewhere.  Reddit or something?
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21:34 < adu> erus_: cool
21:34 < adu> I'm famous!
21:34 < adu> anyways, I have a question about semicolon insertion
21:34 < adu> in "func (tok Token) IsLiteral() bool { return literal_beg <
tok && tok < literal_end }"
21:35 < adu> the return does not have a semicolon after it
21:35 < adu> but it's not at the end of a line, so it's not subject to Go's
rules
21:35 < adu> but 6g obviously handles it
21:35 < adu> what should I do?
21:36 < aiju> why don't you lookup how 6g handles it?
21:36 < erus_> if statement before '\'' insert(';')
21:36 < erus_> put my name in the commit logs
21:36 < adu> o crap, it _is_ in the rules ...  rule #2 haha
21:38 < adu> erus_: ok, I need your full name + email
21:39 < adu> the rules clearly state semicolons get inserted before }
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22:18 < creack> Hi all
22:18 < creack> I have a question
22:18 < creack> Is it normal that any single program in Go takes 16Go in
virt ram?
22:18 < creack> And that it takes one process for each goroutine?
22:19 < aiju> gccgo?
22:19 < creack> gc
22:19 < aiju> no
22:19 < creack> func main() { go time.Sleep(1e11) time.Sleep(1e11) }
22:19 < creack> 6 process
22:19 < creack> 16go in virt ram
22:20 < creack> hg up -r release
22:20 < creack> linux/amd64
22:20 < creack> with the last rev, it takes 17go in virt ram
22:20 < creack> and even func main() { time.Sleep(1e10) } take 16G in virt
ram
22:21 < creack> with gc, not gccgo
22:21 < creack> any idea?
22:21 < aiju> yeah
22:21 < aiju> current build is broken :P
22:21 < creack> :(
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22:22 < sekistner> the last time i was in this irc was some months ago and i
read the exact same thing
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22:30 < madari_> creack: i also noticed something strange: 21:34 <
madari_> is it normal that the vsize of my running app is 3986GB according
to'top'
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22:31 < wrtp> creack: 16GB VM isn't 16GM of memory actually used.
22:32 < wrtp> s/GM/GB/
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22:34 < wrtp> also, each goroutine blocked on a syscall (and Sleep counts)
uses one real os thread
22:36 < creack> but one thread != 1 process, no?
22:36 < aiju> Linux is fuzzy about thread/process
22:36 < aiju> (that dichotomy is just stupid)
22:37 < creack> oki
22:39 < wrtp> i dunno about thread vs process - it depends on the os
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22:39 < aiju> iirc setting the CLONE_THREAD flag on clone() creates a
"formal" thread
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22:40 < aiju> which doesn't imply anything like sharing memory or other
things usually associated with threads
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