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00:04 < foocraft> aiju, :( that sounds horrible
00:06 < rl> soudns like the best one-liner ever
00:07 < foocraft> I'm talking about the line count for one function
00:07 < rl> woops, sorry i had misread it
00:07 < foocraft> one liners are fine, but I tend to encapsulate
not-so-obvious "magic" into a function of its own :p
00:07 < rl> actually that's not right, i had mis-parsed it
00:07 < rl> I had thought it said one line was 428 characters
00:07 < foocraft> even if it's a one-liner
00:08 < foocraft> rl, it's alright :)
00:08 < rl> thus the comment about it being a "oneliner"...  anyway i'm
obviously too sleepy.  night
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00:22 < plexdev> http://is.gd/UuxJV3 by [Alex Brainman] in
go/src/pkg/runtime/windows/ -- runtime: add empty windows/signals.h file to fix
build
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00:39 < plexdev> http://is.gd/rzpQrj by [Robert Griesemer] in
go/src/cmd/godoc/ -- godoc: accept symbolic links as path names provided to -path
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01:26 < plexdev> http://is.gd/Pg8Q2j by [Adam Langley] in 3 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/ -- crypto/openpgp: add package
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03:02 < versificator> can one actually declare arrayOfInt* ?
03:06 < rm445> versificator: var p *[5]int sort of thing?
03:06 < versificator> that an array of 5 int*'s ?
03:06 < rm445> no, it's a pointer to an array[5] of int
03:06 < versificator> ah.
03:07 < rm445> do you want var p [5]*int ?
03:07 < versificator> aha.  yeah gotcha
03:07 < versificator> what's up with the arrayOfInt style decl?
03:07 < versificator> is it only used for non ptrs?
03:07 < rm445> Go declarations seem to read from left to right.
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03:13 < plexdev> http://is.gd/8Mfuue by [Andrew Gerrand] in 2 subdirs of go/
-- release.2011-02-24
03:14 < versificator> http://golang.org/pkg/strings/ (no strcpy)?  or is it
just handled well in assignment
03:19 < rm445> just assign I think
03:21 < versificator> how's go on tail recursion?  can i go full functional
programming style on it?
03:30 < plexdev> http://is.gd/Kjmsr0 by [Andrew Gerrand] in go/ -- tag
release.2011-02-24
03:30 < plexdev> http://is.gd/k0oFUY by [Robert Griesemer] in 4 subdirs of
go/test/ -- bug324.go: test case for issue 1550
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03:35 <@adg> versificator: no
03:35 <@adg> versificator: not that kind of language
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04:05 < skelterjohn> doesn't have to be a functional language to take
advantage of tail recursion
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04:51 < DeedleFake> Hi. Is there an easy way to check if a file exists?
04:53 < zozoR> open the file, if its not there, then it does not exist?
04:55 < edsrzf> You could try os.Lstat or os.Stat, too.  Depends on what you
want to do.
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04:59 < DeedleFake> Alright.  Thanks.
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05:01 < mattn_jp> os.Stat()
05:02 < mattn_jp> ah, sorry.  i found in above.
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06:17 < plexdev> http://is.gd/dzELSm by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/cmd/ -- 5a, 5l: add LDREXD, STREXD
06:17 < plexdev> http://is.gd/n2d6ms by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/cmd/ -- 8a, 8l: add CMPXCHG8B, XADDB, XADDL, XADDW
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09:21 < __gilles> hi
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10:19 < wrtp> __gilles: hi
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11:06 < adu> hi
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11:18 < __gilles> is there an env var to specify so the compiler knows where
packages are installed ?
11:19 < __gilles> or does it assume its below GOROOT ?
11:19 < str1ngs> it assumes GOROOT
11:19 < __gilles> 'k thanks
11:21 < str1ngs> I think you can do import "./foo" thogh
11:22 < __gilles> actually im trying to import fmt
11:22 < __gilles> but on an unsupported arch
11:22 < __gilles> :)
11:22 < __gilles> err
11:22 < __gilles> unsupported system sorry
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12:03 < wrtp> sometimes i wish it were possible to derive a slice with the
same length but lower capacity than the original
12:03 < wrtp> dunno what the syntax would look like though
12:04 < dario> does a:= b[:] copy capacity ?
12:04 < wrtp> dario: capacity always goes to the end of the original
allocation
12:04 < wrtp> dario: so yes
12:04 < ww> a := shrink(b)
12:04 < wrtp> what about a := b[0:n:n]
12:05 < wrtp> i.e.  an optional extra slice argument
12:05 < wrtp> b[start : len : cap]
12:05 < ww> in some other languages the third slice argument is step...
12:06 < wrtp> yes, but this isn't other languages :-)
12:07 < wrtp> and make already gets an optional extra arg which is cap, so
there is precedent
12:10 < wrtp> the main problem as i see it is that some things make use of
the fact that &a[cap(a)-1] == &b[cap(b)-1] => a and b refer to the same
original slice
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12:12 < aimxhaisse> hi __gilles :)
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13:40 < foocraft> is Go, going for GSoC?
13:40 < rm445> guys, am I right in saying Go slices don't have Python-style
[0:-2] sort of syntax?  Has this been discussed, are people for or against it?
13:44 < rm445> wrtp: you can do it in two lines, right?  (with 'make').  -
that's assuming you want a copy with lower capacity.
13:44 < rm445> Two slices on the same underlying array, each with a
different concept of where the array ends, just seems really weird to me.
13:45 < KBme> rm445: what does -2 mean here?
13:45 < KBme> it does have the [something:something] but indexes aren't
indexed in negatives
13:45 < KBme> argh oops
13:45 < KBme> it does have the [something:something] but indexes aren't
defined in negatives i don't think
13:45 < KBme> doesn't make much sense to me
13:47 < rm445> well -1 is the last element and -2 is the one before that.
Yes, the negative numbers aren't real indices but that's the whole point (saves
you working out the index of the last element)
13:47 < KBme> ah, there is not that
13:47 < KBme> there is len(slice)
13:47 < KBme> and len(slice)-1
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13:48 < rm445> like, recently I wrote something like: s := getSomeString();
s = s[0:len(s)-1]
13:48 < skelterjohn> foocraft: They decided not to, this summer
13:48 < KBme> yep
13:48 < rm445> when I'd have preferred to write s := getSomeString()[0:-1]
13:48 < KBme> oh i see the thing, yeah
13:49 < KBme> well, that's how it goes :)
13:49 < foocraft> skelterjohn, damn!
13:49 < skelterjohn> one thing about negative indices is that you might not
always mean it
13:50 < rm445> I don't know how tough it is to implement, it's just
something fairly powerful that comes up occasionally, thought someone might know
if the Go team are strongly against it or whatever.
13:50 < skelterjohn> for instance, if you have array[a:b-a] and a is
accidentally larger than b
13:50 < foocraft> it has to be an unsigned int, unfortunately, rm445
13:50 < skelterjohn> then you might have weird behavior, where in go you
have an error
13:50 < skelterjohn> rm445: it will not be added to go, i am fairly sure
13:50 < skelterjohn> it has come up before
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13:51 < rm445> okay
13:51 < skelterjohn>
http://groups.google.com/group/golang-nuts/browse_frm/thread/e7c44811f5030037/6b2932169ccbdf58?lnk=gst&q=negative+indices#6b2932169ccbdf58
13:51 < skelterjohn> take a look at rob pike's first post in the thread
13:51 < KBme> yeah, i don't think this sort of thing is for low level
languages
13:52 < rm445> thanks
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14:02 < Maddas> Hi. There's a bit of code in the protocol buffer compiler
that looks unnecessarily complicated, but I'm new to Go, so I just wanted to
double-check.  Aren't the following two functions identical?
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14:03 < Maddas> 1) func String(v string) *string { p := new(string); *p = v;
return p } and 2) func String(v string) *string { return &v }
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14:03 < Maddas> (lib.go uses the former)
14:04 < Maddas> (Identical in terms of observable behaviour; the second one
should be more efficient in general.)
14:05 < Maddas> The same pattern is used for the {Int,Uint,Float}{32,64}
functions.
14:05 < skelterjohn> identical behavior.
14:05 < Maddas> Ok, thanks.
14:05 < skelterjohn> as long as what comes in on the parameter list is not a
pointer, and is passed by value
14:06 < wrtp> rm445: it seems reasonable to me.  you're just saying "if i
hand out this slice, nothing can mess with it beyond here"
14:06 < foocraft> guys, does anyone know a good place to buy buckling spring
keyboards?
14:06 < skelterjohn> foocraft: I don't know what that is
14:06 < skelterjohn> but try newegg.com
14:06 < skelterjohn> they have all sorts of good stuff
14:06 < foocraft> skelterjohn, like model M IBM keyboards
14:06 < skelterjohn> oh, let me go get my model M IBM
14:07 < foocraft> soft, clicky, least-force-per-press
14:07 < skelterjohn> :)
14:07 < foocraft> damn you skelterjohn!!  :D
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14:07 < foocraft> yeah newegg is completely unaware of buckling spring
14:08 < skelterjohn> froogle.com :)
14:08 < foocraft> there are a couple of used ones on amazon, but I'm not
sure if 1) it will be clean 2) it will be in good condition
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14:16 < frobnitz> foocraft:
http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/keyboards.html
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14:21 < rm445> wrtp: I see what you're saying, hadn't thought of you keeping
a big array and passing out the ability to change some fixed part of it by passing
out a slice.
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14:26 < foocraft> frobnitz, these guys rejected a lot of my orders for no
reason :p
14:29 < KBme> they don't even have dvorak
14:30 < foocraft> kbME, have you used the NEO layout?
14:30 < KBme> i don't even know what it is
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14:36 < KBme> yeah, i'd rather have an english dvorak
14:36 < KBme> though this looks interesting enough aswell
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14:41 < mpl> I'm glad I never bought a physical dvorak layout.  because it
was so easy to learn to blind type with dvorak and because now all of my keyboards
are a weak first security against anyone attempting to use my comps :)
14:42 < KBme> heh
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15:50 < foocraft> I never used dvorak
15:50 < foocraft> I bet it would take some training to switch from one
layout to another
15:52 < foocraft> seems highly efficient though
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16:13 < rm445> hey guys, any whizzes with the template package here?  I'm
just getting started with it and it's confusing me.
16:14 < rm445> I can do the basics, but what I'd like to do is pass some
sort of list to t.Execute() (maybe a slice of pointers to structs)
16:14 < rm445> and have the template package render me a nice html list from
it.
16:14 < rm445> Does that work, and if so what's the syntax, and if not, what
data structure should I pass instead?
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16:22 < skelterjohn> i'd help you, but i have no idea how to use the
template package
16:22 < wrtp> rm445: look at repeated section
16:22 < wrtp> if you're not passing in a structure, you may be able to do
{.repeated section @}
16:24 < rm445> Thanks.  I was just about to try wrapping my slice in a
struct, so I can do {.repeated section StructName}.  Will see if it works in a
minute
16:27 < wrtp> rm445: here's an example: http://pastebin.com/aTcRqDij
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16:28 < rm445> beautiful, thanks
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16:54 < rm445> for anyone following along, getting at a struct in a slice
with the template package is a bit of a pain, but works:
16:54 < rm445> to get at a field in a slice of struct fields, it's
{.repeated section @} {.section field}{@}{.end} {.end} (and you nest this further
if field is a struct itself)
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16:59 < wrtp> rm445: i think you can just do: {.repeated section @} {field}
{.end}
17:02 < aiju> argh
17:02 < aiju> i wish there was syntactic sugar for if err != nil { return
err } ....
17:02 < wrtp> aiju: i sympathise
17:03 < wrtp> but i can't see any better possibility
17:03 < wrtp> in most cases i copy and paste
17:04 < wrtp> and it means there's a good incentive to write
no-possible-error-case code :-)
17:05 < rm445> wrtp: yes, thanks for that, sorry, yes, {field} and
{field.subfield} work fine.
17:06 < aiju> wrtp: it's so hard in DAU close code
17:06 < rm445> I think I got confused because at one point I was trying to
write {@.subfield}
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17:11 < wrtp> aiju: DAU ?
17:12 < aiju> wrtp: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/D/DAU.html
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17:18 < wrtp> aiju: of course where there is an error return you have to
check it.  but it's often possible to manage things so that that's mostly at the
boundaries of the code.
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17:18 < wrtp> for instance, if you look at the godoc source, out of 4741
lines of code, only 43 match if.*err != nil
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17:19 < wrtp> that's 0.1% which isn't bad, and not really motivation for a
language syntax change
17:20 < wrtp> i know that sometimes it feels like every other line is if err
!= nil ....
17:20 < homa_rano> isn't that 1%?  not including the 2 following lines of
handling
17:20 < homa_rano> leading to an ENORMOUS 3%
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17:23 < wrtp> yeah, doh
17:24 < wrtp> still not too bad, really
17:24 < wrtp> is it?
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17:38 < wrtp> and it's interesting that only 9 or 10 of those 43 checks did
a simple return of the same error code.
17:38 < fzzbt> it's still shorter than try {...} except {...} finally {...}
17:38 < wrtp> all the others did something special with the error
17:39 < skelterjohn> fzzbt: in some cases yes, in many cases no
17:39 < skelterjohn> for instance, if i do file io and i write 40 different
things
17:39 < skelterjohn> as it is, i'm not going to bother checking err each
time
17:40 < skelterjohn> too much effort for something that is not likely
17:40 < skelterjohn> but if it threw an exception, i'd certainly check it
17:45 < wrtp> skelterjohn: it's always worth checking the error
17:45 < wrtp> even if it's only to panic
17:45 < skelterjohn> i check at the end of the writes
17:46 < skelterjohn> just in the meantime
17:48 < skelterjohn> imagine the code from
http://code.google.com/p/go-gb/source/browse/gb/pkg.go#1002 for the next 70-odd
lines, checking err each time
17:48 < wrtp> if i'm doing a lot of one thing, i usually make a little
wrapper for the function
17:49 < wrtp> i don't see the point of all those _, err =...
17:50 < skelterjohn> if there is a write error, it will be put in err
17:50 < wrtp> no it won't
17:50 < wrtp> only the last error will
17:50 < skelterjohn> well, yeah ok i don't have to have that all there
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17:50 < skelterjohn> but if there is an error in one of the earlier ones,
presumably it will still be an error for the last one
17:51 < wrtp> i'd just make a wrapper around fmt.Fprintf that checks the
errors and sets the error only if it's not already set
17:51 < skelterjohn> and if it is, does nothing
17:51 < skelterjohn> not a bad idea
17:52 < wrtp> print = func(f string, a ...interface{}){if _, e :=
fmt.Fprintf(file, f, a...); e != nil {if err != nil {err = e}}}
17:52 < wrtp> then you can just use print("something ...%v", arg)
17:52 < wrtp> and not worry any more
17:53 < aiju> oh, closures
17:53 < plexdev> http://is.gd/QcsmBx by [Rob Pike] in go/src/pkg/gob/ --
gob: make recursive map and slice types work.
17:53 < skelterjohn> yeah - just wrote that
17:53 < wrtp> they can work quite well for things like this sometimes
17:54 < wrtp> skelterjohn: bet the code looks nicer now :-)
17:54 < skelterjohn> it will once i do a lot of copy/replacing :)
17:54 < fzzbt> maybe return could be given a special syntax like map
deletions have.  eg.  "return err, err" would return err only if err is non-nil
(or true), otherwise it would do nothing.
17:54 < wrtp> naah
17:55 < wrtp> it's not common enough
17:55 < wrtp> skelterjohn: one regexp should do it
17:55 < skelterjohn> don't even need a regexp
17:55 < skelterjohn> xcode's find/replace did it
17:55 < wrtp> indeed
17:56 < wrtp> the other alternative when you're doing a lot of io ops and
need to exit when the first one errors, is to use panic/recover locally
17:56 < wrtp> just don't let the panic escape.
17:57 < wrtp> you do have the option to do exception code if it will really
benefit
17:59 < wrtp> skelterjohn: now that you've got the wrapper, you could always
make it add the \n automatically...
17:59 < skelterjohn> enough out of you
17:59 < skelterjohn> ;)
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18:00 < wrtp> what, i don't get to mention templates either?
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18:00 < wrtp> "if it's good enough for goinstall"...
18:01 < skelterjohn> on an unrelated note, any idea why goinstall won't work
with cmds?
18:01 < skelterjohn> also, goinstall seems to squelch any error messages
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18:04 < skelterjohn> i always thought the template stuff was for serving
webpages, working with css or somethign
18:05 < skelterjohn> i guess it would make lots of sense for makefile
generation, now that i look at it
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18:25 < __gilles> re !
18:32 < skelterjohn> ?
18:37 < marekweb> what do you guys think of a server using go coroutines for
concurrency versus asynchronous io like node.js?  does the node.js hype have any
substance?
18:39 < niemeyer> marekweb: This question is probably better put at #nodejs
18:39 < Namegduf> Async I/O is how normal webservers work.
18:39 < Namegduf> In some cases, anyway.
18:39 < Namegduf> It's in general the alternative to concurrency via
goroutines.
18:39 < marekweb> like nginx for instance, is that right?
18:39 < Namegduf> Goroutines are cleaner, simpler, and easier to work with.
18:40 < Namegduf> Synchronous I/O is easier to write.
18:40 < Namegduf> Async I/O is a pain.
18:40 < niemeyer> marekweb: I mean, whether node.js has substance
18:40 < Namegduf> I don't know anything much about it beyond "write servers
in JavaScrip"
18:40 < niemeyer> marekweb: Regarding the first one, well..  pretty much
every Go server does that
18:41 < Namegduf> Which sounds cool if you want to write servers and really
love JS
18:41 < marekweb> indeed
18:41 < niemeyer> marekweb: Is there any specific questions around this
which you're curious about?
18:42 < marekweb> well, specifically, the hype surrounding nodejs is that
threading or other concurrency has poor performance, while the async approach that
they use is superior
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18:42 < Namegduf> Threading has poor performance.
18:42 < marekweb> so I'm wondering if this is just hype, and whether
gorouttines for instance are good for the task
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18:43 < Namegduf> Thus why async, despite being a a pain, is popular.
18:43 < Namegduf> "other concurrency" is expanding it too far, though.
18:43 < marekweb> I see
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18:43 < Namegduf> Coroutines cannot use synchronous I/O normally without
blocking all other coroutines in that thread.
18:43 < Namegduf> So they're not a solution on their own.
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18:44 < Namegduf> What Go does is implement synchronous I/O per coroutine
using asynchronous I/O behind the scenes.
18:44 < Namegduf> You get the clenaness of the former with the performance
of the latter.
18:44 < Namegduf> *cleanness
18:44 < aiju> if you really love JS, fuck
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18:45 < marekweb> interesting
18:45 < Namegduf> Because a goroutine is much, much cheaper than a thread,
and the way it combines the many synchronous operations into a single syscall, you
don't get the overhead of full threading
18:45 < Namegduf> In the same way you don't when using goroutines for
concurrency in other cases.
18:46 * ww curses whomever invented threading
18:48 < ww> (nothing really to do with go, just sunk an afternoon
fruitlessly trying to debug a deadlock somewhere deep in some other code)
18:49 < marekweb> Thanks for the explanation Namegduf
18:50 < Namegduf> No problem.
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18:59 < niemeyer> <marekweb> well, specifically, the hype surrounding
nodejs is that threading or other concurrency has poor performance, while the
async approach that they use is superior
18:59 < niemeyer> marekweb: GOMAXPROCS=1 means Go does async I/O to handle
goroutines
18:59 < Namegduf> It always does, actually
19:00 < niemeyer> marekweb: and no, doing concurrency by hand is not
actually entirely nice
19:00 < niemeyer> marekweb: I have experience with Twisted, on that field..
have to write a blog post to describe it in more detail
19:01 < niemeyer> Namegduf: Heh, I'm trying to make the point clear.
GOMAXPROCS=1 makes it easy to imagine that it can't be synchronous.
19:01 < Namegduf> niemeyer: Well, GOMAXPROCS doesn't include stuff blocked
in a syscall...
19:02 < Namegduf> So you COULD have 30 threads blocked plus 1 running, it'd
just suck
19:02 < niemeyer> Namegduf: Nevermind..
19:02 < aiju> Go isn't about performance anyway
19:02 < jumzi> a tiny itsy part is
19:03 < Namegduf> aiju: If Go wasn't about performance it'd have magic
arrays which were extendable and deleteable anywhere while retaining ordering
19:04 < Namegduf> aiju: "about" implies that things aren't a compromise.  :P
19:05 < aiju> and all performance advantages the nodejs approach might have
are probably compensated by poor javascript performance *cough*
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19:05 < jumzi> aaaah
19:06 < jumzi> Write node.js, that probably took me 15 seconds to figure out
19:06 < Namegduf> aiju: I doubt it has any.  :P
19:07 < Namegduf> At least, no measurable ones.
19:07 < aiju> i'd love to see serious servers in node.js, invalid requests
are answered by "undefined" then
19:07 < Namegduf> At the least, when it comes to I/O, synchronous or
asynchronous, CPU is relatively cheap
19:08 < Namegduf> Threading is just horrible in other ways.
19:09 < aiju> i once saw a 10 KLOC program which basically just *read from
serial line* and did some minor parsing.
19:09 < aiju> Of course it used five threads with complex locking between
them.
19:09 < aiju> never forget performance when reading from a 9600 baud line
19:09 < kimelto> hehe
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19:10 < plexdev> http://is.gd/6k7axC by [Russ Cox] in go/ -- A+C: Chris
Dollin (individual CLA)
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19:12 < __gilles> hi
19:13 < __gilles> just to be sure im getting it right
19:13 < __gilles> src/pkg/runtime/<os>/thread.c provides wrappers to
the C api for threads on the target only ?
19:13 < __gilles> there is no "unified" api ?
19:14 < __gilles> (like what i see in mem.c)
19:15 < __gilles> erf phone, brb
19:17 < skelterjohn> thread.c seems to provide synchronization primitives,
rather than threading stuff
19:17 < skelterjohn> at first glance
19:17 < skelterjohn> go doesn't use threads - it uses goroutines
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19:18 < skelterjohn> at least in the sense that, when you start a new
goroutine, it doesn't spawn a new thread and run the code in that other thread
19:18 < skelterjohn> it does something much more lightweight
19:19 < ww> skelterjohn: gccgo does do that right no, right?
19:19 < skelterjohn> sure, but that's because gccgo isn't where it wants to
be
19:19 < edsrzf> It might spawn a new thread if you have GOMAXPROCS > 1
19:19 < skelterjohn> edsrzf: it could spawn a new process
19:20 < ww> skelterjohn: right, just checking
19:20 < aiju> gccgo isn't what anyone should want
19:21 < skelterjohn> who better to say what people should want than aiju
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19:30 < ww> aiju: why not?
19:31 < aiju> ww: gcc is a mess
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19:38 < skelterjohn> you don't have to read it, just use it
19:38 < skelterjohn> i don't spend much time perusing 6g's source, either
19:39 < __gilles> re
19:39 < skelterjohn> re indeed
19:39 < __gilles> :-)
19:39 < skelterjohn> what does "re" mean
19:39 < jumzi> Hmm a good argument would be that gcc is slow
19:40 < __gilles> "i'm back"
19:40 < jumzi> But if you can deal with that, sure
19:40 < niemeyer> Risky Environment
19:40 < niemeyer> But no, not really ;)
19:41 < __gilles> 20:19 < skelterjohn> thread.c seems to provide
synchronization primitives, rather than threading stuff
19:41 < niemeyer> http://www.infoq.com/interviews/pike-google-go
19:41 < __gilles> i was actually looking at freebsd/thread.c
19:41 < aiju> 20:40 < skelterjohn> you don't have to read it, just use
it
19:41 < skelterjohn> i was looking at darwin/thread.c
19:41 < aiju> it's still a buggy mess
19:42 < __gilles> ok, let's rephrase my question i wasn't very clear
19:42 < aiju> __gilles: there is a unified API
19:42 < plexdev> http://is.gd/G0FVDI by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/ -- sync/atomic: new package
19:42 < aiju> with functions like newosproc or something
19:42 < plexdev> http://is.gd/nzmPCQ by [Russ Cox] in 2 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/sync/ -- sync: use sync/atomic
19:42 < __gilles> ok
19:42 < plexdev> http://is.gd/BGywML by [Russ Cox] in 3 subdirs of
go/src/pkg/runtime/ -- runtime: use kernel-supplied cas on linux/arm
19:42 < aiju> __gilles: OS threads might be called procs
19:42 < __gilles> you answered :p
19:42 < plexdev> http://is.gd/kD3PXj by [Russ Cox] in
go/src/pkg/sync/atomic/ -- sync/atomic: make BUG comment godoc-compatible
19:43 < aiju> (Plan 9 heritage)
19:43 < __gilles> aiju: any pointer to documentation of this api ?
19:43 < niemeyer> Woot
19:43 < aiju> the source is the documentation for the Go internals
19:43 < niemeyer> sync/atomic is awesome
19:43 < __gilles> ok
19:43 < aiju> there are some random bits, but most of that is wrong lol
19:44 < aiju> don't trust the comments either
19:44 < __gilles> :)
19:49 < skelterjohn> in Rob Pike's talk, that niemeyer just linked to, he
talks about the ability to do your own memory management
19:50 < skelterjohn> but i wonder how you'd do that for something like a
chan or a map
19:50 < skelterjohn> you can't just say "var ch chan int" and have a
ready-to-go channel - make does some initialization for you
19:50 < skelterjohn> what that initialization is is not clear to me
19:50 < skelterjohn> but i feel like if i just took the right amount of
zeroed memory and unsafe'd it to a channel, it wouldn't work
19:52 < skelterjohn> anyone know how that might work?
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20:06 < skelterjohn> well, i posted in the google group
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20:10 < niemeyer> skelterjohn: I don't think it's doable..  that's why
make() exists at all
20:10 < skelterjohn> i didn't think so either, but what rob said in the talk
implied otherwise
20:15 < niemeyer> skelterjohn: Yeah, he missed the special case of maps and
channels a couple of times
20:16 < skelterjohn> it would be neat if go allowed you to provide your own
allocator for make to use under the hood, but that would add a whole lot of
complexity that no one really needs right now
20:18 < nodie> hi, I'm a completely newbie in go
20:18 < nodie> I just download with hg the sources and compiled it
20:19 < nodie> I can compile the hello world example with 8g and it works
20:19 < nodie> I've copied an example of http.ListenAndServe
20:20 < nodie> but when I try to compile it I get an error saying: web.go:9:
undefined: http.Conn
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20:20 < nodie> I suppose I miss something (I've the environment variables
set)
20:20 < nodie> what could it be?
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20:21 < skelterjohn> nodie: pastebin the source you're talking about
20:23 < nodie> http://pastie.org/1607381
20:23 < niemeyer> nodie: Without looking, are you importing?
20:24 < niemeyer> Hmm
20:24 < skelterjohn> well, nodie, the http package has no type Conn
20:24 < niemeyer> Yeah, that's what I was looking at as well
20:25 < niemeyer> nodie: golang.org/pkg/http
20:25 < nodie> could you refer me to a better example of http
listenandserve?
20:25 < skelterjohn> the example you're looking at might be old
20:26 < niemeyer> nodie: Look at that link
20:26 < niemeyer> nodie: There are examples in it
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20:29 < nodie> thanks niemeyer skelterjohn
20:29 < nodie> it works
20:29 < plexdev> http://is.gd/Fh6zY5 by [Russ Cox] in go/src/pkg/runtime/ --
runtime: omit breakpoint during terminal panic
20:29 < nodie> does 8g always compile statically?
20:30 < skelterjohn> yes
20:30 < skelterjohn> no dynamic linking, yet
20:30 < skelterjohn> maybe one day, maybe not
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20:32 < __gilles> pffff
20:32 < __gilles> $ head -1 mksyscall.sh
20:32 < __gilles> #!/usr/bin/perl
20:33 < __gilles> obviously `sh mksyscall.sh` was going to fail :)
20:34 < nodie> skelterjohn, I don't care about dynamic linking
20:34 < nodie> I even prefer not to use it
20:35 < aiju> .NAZI "compiling statically" is an oxymoron
20:35 < aiju> also, cgo stuff is dynamically linked
20:37 < nodie> :)
20:37 < nodie> is there a good postgresql library in go ?
20:38 < skelterjohn> i don't think anyone has done that - there is a mysql
lib though
20:39 < Namegduf> Yes, there is
20:39 < Namegduf> http://go-lang.cat-v.org/pure-go-libs <- List here.
20:39 < Namegduf> Lots of MySQL, but there's a go-pgsql to.
20:39 < Namegduf> *too
20:39 < skelterjohn> ah, neat
20:42 < nodie> bye!
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21:46 < plexdev> http://is.gd/F8B5yK by [Rob Pike] in
go/src/pkg/crypto/openpgp/ -- crypto/openpgp: fix test prints
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22:48 < comex_> it's not possible to automatically generate String() for a
set of constants, is it?
22:48 < plexdev> http://is.gd/CM3Vob by [Nigel Tao] in
go/src/pkg/compress/lzw/ -- compress/lzw: fix the stupidity of allocating and
zeroing a new buffer
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22:59 < edsrzf> It's not possible just through Go alone.
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22:59 < edsrzf> You could write a script to do it or similar.
23:03 < ww> will len(s) where s is a string give you the lenght in bytes of
the string or the number of runes?
23:03 < ww> e.g.  if i need bytes should i do len([]byte(s)) ?
23:03 < Namegduf> Bytes.
23:09 < ww> ty
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23:31 < ww> https://bitbucket.org/ww/hashtable/src/tip/kyoto/cabinet/
23:31 < ww> have to be the easiest experience i've ever had writing
bindings...
23:31 < ww> only minimal yet...
23:32 < ww> but...  the C section at the bottom of
http://fallabs.com/kyotocabinet/api/
23:32 < ww> is it possible to implement the visitor pattern in go where some
go code would be called as a callback by the library?
23:32 < Namegduf> Pass a function.
23:33 < Namegduf> Oh, I see.
23:33 < Namegduf> Yes.
23:33 < Namegduf> It is possible to call Go from C.
23:34 < ww> any examples off the top of your head?
23:34 < Namegduf> I'm not sure how to implement what you're wanting, no.
23:34 < niemeyer> ww: misc/cgo/life
23:34 < Namegduf> I just know that cgo got that feature added.
23:34 < niemeyer> ww: In the Go tree
23:34 * ww looking
23:37 < ww> oh, so thats easy, you just say // export Func and make sure the
function has C arguments...
23:41 < niemeyer> ww: Yeah, pretty much
23:41 < ww> go is too easy
23:41 < niemeyer> Agreed :)
23:41 < Namegduf> It's okay.
23:42 < Namegduf> Because it's statically typed the PHP, Ruby, and other
shiny dynamic language morons will stay away
23:42 < Namegduf> And we can have an easy language without dealing with
them.  :P
23:43 < niemeyer> Namegduf: Ugh..  that's unnecessarily harsh
23:43 < Namegduf> niemeyer: I'm not saying that everyone who uses those
languages is one, just that the bad programmers prefer such languages.
23:44 < niemeyer> Namegduf: Continues to be harsh..  I've heard the same
thing about pretty much every language, and if Go ever gets as popular, people
will say the same thing about Go
23:44 < niemeyer> Namegduf: There are unbelievable programmers on pretty
much every language, and people that haven't learned all their way yet too.
23:45 < Namegduf> niemeyer: That contradicts nothing I said.
23:45 < Namegduf> It's a question of relative numbers.  It was supposed to
be a tongue-in-cheek comment, though, so I'll withdraw it rather than cause
bother.  :P
23:45 < nickbp> stop taking irc chat so seriously
23:46 < Namegduf> Sorry for bothering you.
23:46 < niemeyer> nickbp: Sorry, my mistake
23:46 < nickbp> irc chat atm machine
23:46 < Namegduf> My fault too.
23:46 < nickbp> youre not not taking it seriously!!
23:48 < niemeyer> nickbp: I'm not not not taking it..
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