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Specifically, I'd like to be able to use aes256 and some more cipher suites in the tls package, but they don't seem to be included in the distribution as of now. 02:56 < Sebastian_> Alternatively, if alternative libraries could be used for that functionality, I'd be glad for any pointers on how to make it work 02:59 < Sebastian_> Thanks for your consideration 03:10 < jessta_> Sebastian_: crypto/aes provides aes256 03:11 -!- chronoslynx [~Adium@r45h136.res.gatech.edu] has joined #go-nuts 03:14 < Sebastian_> oh hey 03:14 < Sebastian_> thanks, I just noticed 03:15 < Sebastian_> sorry for not spotting that earlier 03:19 -!- chronoslynx [~Adium@r45h136.res.gatech.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:21 < Sebastian_> Unfortunately, the spec mandates I support SSL_DHE_RSA_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA. 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I did notice that the crypto package has a lot of stuff already, unfortunately I'm implementing a spec that requires some specific cipher suites to be present and those aren't (yet) available 10:33 -!- a2800276_ [~a2800276@xdsl-78-35-182-236.netcologne.de] has joined #go-nuts 10:33 -!- Niedar [~bleh@ip68-99-166-222.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:33 -!- Niedar [~bleh@ip68-99-166-222.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #go-nuts 10:34 -!- a2800276 [~a2800276@xdsl-78-35-172-26.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:03 -!- res99 [~anonymous@201.237.130.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:23 -!- Kafo [~Henry@a91-156-71-151.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:24 -!- sebastianskejoe [~sebastian@188.114.142.217] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:26 -!- a2800276 [~a2800276@xdsl-78-35-182-236.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: a2800276] 11:31 -!- firwen [~firwen@2a01:e34:eea3:7e10:4a5b:39ff:fe51:e8ae] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:39 < ww> argh.... 11:40 < ww> is there a way to iterate over (k,v) in a map with template? 11:40 < ww> can iterate over values... but can't seem to get at the keys?! 11:45 -!- a2800276 [~a2800276@xdsl-78-35-182-236.netcologne.de] has joined #go-nuts 11:47 * ww begins to think the template package is brain damaged 11:48 < uriel> the template package is a bit 'peculiar', it is worth reading on the tempalte system it is based on 11:48 -!- Fish-- [~Fish@coss6.exosec.net] has joined #go-nuts 11:50 < ww> there's an underlying assumption in this case that's just wrong: https://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=669 11:51 < ww> there rsc says iterating over maps is non-deterministic and is no good for html ui things 11:51 < ww> well... if you're doing html ui things, don't do that 11:51 < ww> ... and then he goes and half-fixes it 11:51 * ww i just want to generate xml so i don't care about the order 11:52 -!- Fish [~Fish@exo3753.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:52 < ww> actually, if there were a good programmatic way of making XML with go, i'd use that - i don't even really want templates 11:54 < ww> hmmm... maybe use xmlm 11:54 < fzzbt> can't you just output that map in a slice 11:54 < fzzbt> slice of structs, err 11:55 < ww> fzzbt: could do, but that's stupid. this should just work without monkeying around 11:55 * ww sorry... grumpy 11:55 -!- a2800276 [~a2800276@xdsl-78-35-182-236.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: a2800276] 11:57 < fzzbt> ordered maps would be nice to have maybe 11:57 * ww doesn't care about order! 11:58 < ww> i just want to put bloody xmlns:foo=bar into the top of the document 12:00 < ww> and xmlm means i have to go and *model* the whole XML which is not my idea of a fun way to spend a saturday afternoon 12:00 < ww> maybe mustache or kasia 12:01 < fzzbt> eat some cake 12:02 < ww> fzzbt: good idea 12:09 < Rennex> xml should just go away 12:09 < aiju> kill it with fire 12:12 * ww is no fan of XML 12:12 < ww> unfortunately the EC is and that's why i have a job 12:12 -!- fmoo [~Adium@c-76-102-41-101.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:12 < aiju> EC? 12:12 < aiju> european community? 12:12 < ww> http://inspire.jrc.ec.europa.eu/ 12:13 < ww> directive: thou shalt use xml 12:13 < ww> it's the law 12:13 < ww> it was almost worse 12:13 < aiju> there is nothing worse than xml 12:13 < ww> an early draft of the law was: that shalt use SOAP 12:14 < aiju> can't you just use the IBM JSON XML wrapper? 12:14 < aiju> or do something like this: <c>65</c><c>66</c> to encapsulate random text 12:15 < ww> ok, not "thou shalt use any old xml" but "thou shalt use excessively verbose and over-engineered OGC and ISO xml standards" 12:15 * ww cries 12:18 < xyproto> Wish we could have this for Go :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8aL4Cnb9m4 12:18 < aiju> oh fluxus 12:19 < aiju> i have to admit not really liking live coding 12:20 < aiju> i can't find any benefit 12:20 -!- virtualsue [~chatzilla@nat/cisco/x-sumemmwllijpgcsw] has joined #go-nuts 12:21 < ww> exhibitionism 12:21 < aiju> it's just like normal coding 12:21 < aiju> except the code is in front of the shit you wrote 12:21 < aiju> we have window managers man 12:22 < xyproto> aiju: advocating a language, and coding in general 12:22 -!- nictuku [~yvesj@84-72-7-79.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #go-nuts 12:22 -!- nictuku [~yvesj@84-72-7-79.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Changing host] 12:22 -!- nictuku [~yvesj@unaffiliated/nictuku] has joined #go-nuts 12:22 < aiju> sounds like "bullshitting" to me 12:23 < nictuku> is it possible to do something like this? handlers = make(map[int]func(*packet)) // it compiles but this doesn't work: handlers[0x01] = m.readLoginRequest 12:23 < aiju> it should work 12:24 < nictuku> let me paste it.. 12:25 < exch> m.foo() is a method. you can't treat methods as function pointers afaik 12:25 < aiju> oh right 12:25 < aiju> yeah, that's the thing 12:26 < nictuku> right. only if I use a closure right? 12:26 < nictuku> http://pastie.org/1850375 btw 12:26 < aiju> yes 12:29 < nictuku> the functions can be quite large so they won't look good as closures. Are there any other ways? I can't do what pkg/http/server.go does and use a Handler interface, because all the handlers are methods of a type M whose data it must access. 12:29 < aiju> no 12:29 < aiju> closures are the only way 12:29 < aiju> or what do you mean? 12:29 < aiju> func(p *packet) {m.readLoginRequest(p)} 12:29 < aiju> is it that bad? 12:30 < nictuku> that's not too bad 12:31 < nictuku> but I think I should use switch/case instead of that map[int]func thing. 12:32 < nictuku> reminiscent of python-thinking 12:32 -!- huin [~huin@91.84.64.19] has joined #go-nuts 12:32 -!- jhawk28 [~jhawk28@user-387c58d.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #go-nuts 12:41 -!- dfc [~dfc@124-171-26-181.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: dfc] 12:43 -!- artefon [~thiago@187.59.210.207] has joined #go-nuts 12:46 -!- DerHorst [~Horst@e176102061.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 12:49 -!- aljamms8 [~s@customer943.pool1.Acton-GLN1070-BAS0001.orangehomedsl.co.uk] has joined #go-nuts 12:51 -!- TheMue 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wondering if i can do it in Go, for fun 13:35 < aiju> looks like what you want 13:35 < exch> you'd have to do some Environment variable magic to find out which compiler is present on the machine you run on. if any at all 13:36 < exch> 6g/8g etc 13:37 < Frank> thanks 13:37 -!- rlab_ [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:38 < Frank> maybe i'll continue to use a Python script to do that. os.Exec is a little bit harder for me 13:38 < aiju> just use a damn shell script 13:39 < aiju> i have a "go" script which compiles and runs go programs somewhere here 13:39 < Frank> lol, just for fun 13:41 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has joined #go-nuts 13:42 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-152-33.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: E se abbasso questa leva che succ...] 13:48 -!- ab3 [~abe@83.101.90.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:51 -!- ab3 [~abe@83.101.90.66] has joined #go-nuts 13:55 -!- a2800276 [~a2800276@xdsl-195-14-205-253.netcologne.de] has 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15:29 -!- gedevan [~gedevan@83.167.106.253] has joined #go-nuts 15:35 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has joined #go-nuts 15:37 < nsf> I've fixed gocode this time (for weekly 2011-04-27), but it needs a new maintainer if many of you want it to work 15:37 < nsf> since I don't use Go anymore, I have small interest in supporting it 15:37 -!- nixness [~dsc@89.211.128.31] has joined #go-nuts 15:37 < nsf> so.. if anyone wants, you're welcome :) 15:37 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@c-98-210-145-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 15:38 < nsf> gc packages parser is in a very bad shape, there are regexp-based search & replaces now 15:38 < nsf> it won't last long 15:38 < nsf> :( 15:38 < nsf> hopefully someone will manage to fix gocode by using go/types library 15:39 < nsf> (which has a correct gc packages parser) 15:39 < nsf> see ya :) any questions regarding gocode - drop an email :D 15:40 -!- nsf [~nsf@jiss.convex.ru] has left #go-nuts ["WeeChat 0.3.4"] 15:40 -!- foocraft [~dsc@78.101.216.32] 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[~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:38 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has joined #go-nuts 16:39 -!- angasule [~angasule@190.2.33.49] has joined #go-nuts 16:44 -!- tav [~tav@2.96.34.10] has joined #go-nuts 16:48 < nictuku> it sucks balls that nsf is dropping maintenance of gocode and stopped using the language :-( 16:50 < fzzbt> what really 16:50 -!- ttuttle [~ttuttle@pdpc/supporter/21for7/ttuttle] has left #go-nuts [] 16:51 < fzzbt> i remember him talking so much how he actually maintains his code unlike everyone else 16:51 < fzzbt> noo 16:52 < fzzbt> he'll be back 16:52 -!- Adys [~Adys@unaffiliated/adys] has quit [Quit: Quit] 16:55 -!- Adys [~Adys@unaffiliated/adys] has joined #go-nuts 16:57 < nictuku> yes, gocode is an exemplary well maintained project. 17:00 < fzzbt> still, why stop using go altogether? 17:01 < jessta_> I think nsf is working on a Go like language 17:01 < jessta_> so he's working on that 17:03 -!- arun_ [~arun@unaffiliated/sindian] 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Just vim with the standard plugins (including a simple completion). 17:35 -!- |Craig| [~|Craig|@panda3d/entropy] has joined #go-nuts 17:38 -!- Cobi [~Cobi@2002:1828:88fb:0:aede:48ff:febe:ef03] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:41 -!- Cobi [~Cobi@2002:1828:88fb:0:aede:48ff:febe:ef03] has joined #go-nuts 17:41 < skelterjohn> fzzbt: maybe you should help keep it up to date, then :) 17:41 < skelterjohn> it's easiest to work on something when you use it a lot 17:42 -!- keidaa [~keidaa@cm-84.210.56.138.getinternet.no] has joined #go-nuts 17:46 -!- Cobi [~Cobi@2002:1828:88fb:0:aede:48ff:febe:ef03] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:47 -!- keidaa [~keidaa@cm-84.210.56.138.getinternet.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:50 -!- keidaa [~keidaa@cm-84.210.56.138.getinternet.no] has joined #go-nuts 17:50 -!- Cobi [~Cobi@2002:1828:88fb:0:aede:48ff:febe:ef03] has joined #go-nuts 17:51 < fzzbt> maybe 17:56 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@c-98-210-145-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:59 -!- nixness [~dsc@89.211.159.66] has joined #go-nuts 18:11 -!- foocraft [~dsc@89.211.159.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:11 < PJRobins> Triying to compile the tabby project out of curiosity and it errored out due to some weekly changes, fixed those. 18:12 -!- nixness [~dsc@89.211.159.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:12 < PJRobins> however it is giving type mismatch errors 18:12 < PJRobins> the variaconstants from gtk a re ints but they need to be passsed by value 18:12 < PJRobins> I am not sure how to fix this issue any pointers? 18:13 < PJRobins> constant variables ... apology can't type today. 18:20 -!- foocraft [~dsc@78.101.79.56] has joined #go-nuts 18:21 < vsmatck> Can you link up to the source file on github? 18:24 -!- fmoo [~Adium@c-76-102-41-101.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:26 -!- nixness [~dsc@89.211.198.99] has joined #go-nuts 18:26 -!- foocraft [~dsc@78.101.79.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:27 -!- arun_ [~arun@unaffiliated/sindian] has joined #go-nuts 18:33 -!- ab3 [~abe@83.101.90.66] has joined #go-nuts 18:38 -!- nkdnstbr [~nkdnstbr@cpe-173-172-231-83.rgv.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:38 -!- nkdnstbr [~nkdnstbr@cpe-173-172-231-83.rgv.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 18:41 -!- nixness [~dsc@89.211.198.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:46 < PJRobins> sure. itwill take me a second. 18:48 < PJRobins> the type mismatch errors start at line 74. https://github.com/mikhailt/tabby/blob/master/src/find.go 18:49 -!- piranha [~piranha@83.221.140.244] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:49 < skelterjohn> can you like the repository for the gtk implementation you're using? 18:51 < vsmatck> https://github.com/mattn/go-gtk/blob/master/gtk/gtk.go Is it this one? 18:51 < PJRobins> yep, that would be it. 18:52 < skelterjohn> PJRobins: the AddButton method wants an int 18:53 < skelterjohn> you're giving it a GtkResponseType 18:53 < skelterjohn> to make it compile, you could have int(gtk.GTK_RESPONSE_ACCEPT) 18:53 < skelterjohn> but perhaps that would be the wrong thing to do 18:54 < PJRobins> I don't know. playing with other peoples code to get a feel for Go 18:54 < PJRobins> will give it a try and see how it goess, thanks. 19:01 -!- mheld [~mheld@login.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #go-nuts 19:01 -!- teralaser [teralaser@unaffiliated/teralaser] has joined #go-nuts 19:01 < mheld> hey y'all 19:01 -!- zacharycohn [~zacharyco@c-98-247-247-157.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:02 -!- mheld [~mheld@login.ccs.neu.edu] has left #go-nuts [] 19:02 -!- zacharycohn [~zacharyco@c-98-247-247-157.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has left #go-nuts [] 19:06 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-166-56.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #go-nuts 19:06 -!- XenoPhoenix [~Xeno@cpc13-aztw24-2-0-cust23.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:06 -!- teralaser [teralaser@unaffiliated/teralaser] has left #go-nuts [] 19:06 -!- XenoPhoenix [~Xeno@cpc13-aztw24-2-0-cust23.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #go-nuts 19:12 -!- foocraft [~dsc@78.100.208.32] has joined #go-nuts 19:17 -!- foocraft [~dsc@78.100.208.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:19 < keidaa> is gtk stableish? 19:20 < skelterjohn> i can't get it to work at all on my mac 19:21 < aiju> gtk is evlis 19:21 < aiju> *evilish 19:21 < keidaa> what is the good stuff? 19:22 < keidaa> cli? 19:22 < skelterjohn> never heard of cli 19:22 < aiju> triggering a kernel bug to write over the screen is a better idea than gtk 19:22 < aiju> it's also more portable and won't break with the next release 19:22 < skelterjohn> if you're looking for a way to do GUI with go, there isn't a standard 19:22 < skelterjohn> "good" way to do it 19:22 < aiju> i've always found tk okay to work with, haven't tried it with Go though 19:23 < keidaa> tk is ugly as hell though 19:23 < aiju> most libraries are event based and events don't fit into the go model at all 19:23 < aiju> keidaa: like your mom 19:23 < aiju> ;) 19:23 < keidaa> ouch 19:23 < skelterjohn> or like aiju's face 19:24 < Namegduf> Eh 19:24 < Namegduf> Event channel works okay 19:24 < aiju> well "not at all" is a bit of an overstatement 19:24 < aiju> it's not quite the concurrent way of doing things 19:25 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:26 < aiju> a Go-ish GUI library would be fairly cool 19:27 < skelterjohn> need a way to easily draw first 19:27 < aiju> doesn't matter, it could just call something else 19:27 < exch> Doing UI stuff is difficult in a concurrent fashion. Drawing usually has to be limited to a single thread anyway if you don't want stuff to blow up in your face 19:27 < xash> I can't image a GUI which is not eventdriven .. 19:27 < aiju> exch: concurrency is just the right way to do it 19:27 < vsmatck> What would a go GUI library look like? A channel per button? 19:28 < aiju> vsmatck: something like that 19:28 < skelterjohn> though then you'd have to be careful about multiple listeners 19:28 < aiju> GUI was the first application of concurrency 19:28 < aiju> by rob 19:28 < Namegduf> Totally a goroutine per button 19:28 < skelterjohn> probably be that each listener could request a channel from the button 19:28 < vsmatck> There are definite advantages to channels over typical call back systems. 19:28 < Namegduf> Each one blocked 19:28 < Namegduf> Haha. 19:28 < aiju> Namegduf: it's the Go model 19:28 < aiju> if you don't like it, go code Java or something 19:29 < vegai> eventloops and threads are not that different 19:29 < aiju> vegai: just like bicycles and submarines 19:29 < vegai> fundamentally 19:29 < aiju> fundamentally 19:29 < Namegduf> aiju: Java has the same "model", just sans goroutines so it goes horribly slow, for network code 19:29 < |Craig|> personally I favor functions over channels for most things. I can pass a function to the button which can send over a channel if I want, and lets be control how/when things buffer/block 19:29 < vegai> they're mostly an implementation detail 19:29 < skelterjohn> vegai: do you mean that event loops and threads are not different from each other, or from channels and goroutines? 19:30 < Namegduf> vegai: Implementation details are kinda significant when writing implementations 19:30 < vsmatck> I can see the event loop/thread similarity if you look at the event loop as a scheduler. 19:30 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has joined #go-nuts 19:31 < vsmatck> You could consider your event loop to be sort-of creating lightweight threads. Of course there's no time slice scheduling or anything. 19:31 < vsmatck> But yeah the ideas seem similar. 19:31 < aiju> goroutines don't have time slice scheduling either 19:31 < aiju> and these are ENTIRELY different concepts 19:32 < vegai> Namegduf: that's true , of course 19:32 < Namegduf> I have no particular favoured way of handling events in Go. 19:32 < Namegduf> Channels allow some clever ideas, goroutine-per works great for I/O 19:33 < Namegduf> I think "events" are too general a concept to pick a way, though. 19:33 < aiju> rob pike wrote a few papers about this 19:34 < aiju> http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/squeak/ 19:34 < aiju> e.g. 19:57 -!- napsy [~luka@88.200.96.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:00 -!- reds_ [~reds@pool-74-101-147-57.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:11 -!- ghais [~ghais@c-68-32-79-77.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:14 -!- kimelto [~kimelto@sd-13453.dedibox.fr] has joined #go-nuts 20:14 < kimelto> uh oh? finalizers?:) 20:14 < ghais> Hello, in the weekly release test crypto/tls doesn't seem to terminate on OSX. Is there a way to disable it? 20:16 -!- flaguy48 [~gmallard@user-0c6s350.cable.mindspring.com] has left #go-nuts [] 20:18 -!- ghais [~ghais@c-68-32-79-77.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ghais] 20:23 < uriel> 19:29 < Namegduf> aiju: Java has the same "model", just sans goroutines so it goes horribly slow, for network code 20:24 < uriel> Namegduf: uhu? and sans channels, so basically Java has the same "model" except for almost everything in the model 20:25 -!- photron_ [~photron@port-92-201-38-139.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:25 < Namegduf> uriel: I was referring to the thread-per-event-source thing aiju was talking about 20:25 < aiju> the sane way to do GUI 20:28 -!- jyxent [~jyxent@129.128.191.54] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:32 < xash> Is there a way in channels, I tell the sender to send a variable only, when there is a receiver .. without a second channel? 20:34 -!- jyxent [~jyxent@129.128.191.54] has joined #go-nuts 20:35 < skelterjohn> you'll have to rephrase that question, i think 20:35 < skelterjohn> i don't really understand 20:38 -!- boomtopper [~boomtoppe@host86-128-243-59.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #go-nuts 20:38 < xash> Uhrm .. sorry! for example, I have a channel c, where a receiver can get the actual time in his timezone. So that time <- channel should work .. so a sender should wait with sending a value, until there is a receiver 20:39 < skelterjohn> i see 20:39 < skelterjohn> you want to only send a value down when someone is actually trying to read from the channel 20:40 < xash> Yes :-D 20:40 < skelterjohn> and you can't think of a way other than receiving a request on a second auxiliary channel 20:40 < skelterjohn> is this correct? 20:40 < xash> Yepp again 20:40 < uriel> go func () { c <- v } 20:40 < uriel> done 20:40 < skelterjohn> but that v is suppose to be a time 20:40 < skelterjohn> and it needs to be the "current" time 20:41 < skelterjohn> xash: unfortunately there are no guarantees about how long it will be between when the value is sent and received 20:41 < skelterjohn> such are the perils of concurrency 20:41 < xash> Hrm .. ok, then a second channel has to do this .. thanks :-) 20:41 < skelterjohn> if you want information about something with no delays, then a channel is the wrong way to do it. make a function call. 20:41 < skelterjohn> no - that is not right 20:42 < |Craig|> send a function down the chan that you can ask for a time, or perhaps an offset from a time referance. 20:42 < skelterjohn> even with a second channel, you can't guarantee that what you get from the read channel is accurate 20:42 < skelterjohn> only that it happened sometime between when the request was made and the time received 20:42 < xash> Oh, right.. 20:42 < skelterjohn> the best bet is time.Nanosecond() 20:42 < skelterjohn> channels aren't the answer for every problem 20:43 < |Craig|> channels are the answer for very few problems (but they are important ones that are a pain, but not impossible, to do other ways) 20:43 < aiju> channels are the answer for many problems 20:43 < skelterjohn> i wouldn't say "few" 20:43 < skelterjohn> they're the answer to communication between concurrent processes 20:44 < skelterjohn> but a request for the current time is not such a thing 20:44 < |Craig|> most things arn't communication between concurrent processes though 20:44 < skelterjohn> ok, "most" and "few" are pretty unqualified :) 20:44 < aiju> can't you go write Java or something? 20:45 < |Craig|> if something can be done with a function, of passing a closure, its generally not a job for a channel 20:45 < aiju> everything can be done by functions and closures 20:45 < aiju> that is TOTALLY not the point of concurrent programming 20:46 < TheMue> aiju: full ack 20:46 < |Craig|> I agree that a concurrent program should use channels. But if you use them as often as function calls and aramthatic, your probably doing something silly 20:46 < aiju> i don't do "aramthatic" 20:46 < Namegduf> I assume this is just an example, the time-getting thing 20:47 < aiju> and goroutines and channels are meant to be used heavily 20:47 < |Craig|> arithmetic 20:48 < aiju> i wish there was some canonical piece of paper 20:48 < aiju> -piece of 20:48 < aiju> "how to do concurrent programming" or something 20:48 < Namegduf> I don't care about concurrent programming. I care about solving problems. :P 20:49 < Namegduf> It fits some well, but you get more bloated than Java trying to write everything as a set of communicating goroutines 20:49 < Namegduf> The stdlib uses them fairly moderately, and I take my lead from that. 20:49 < |Craig|> when I started using go, I tended to use channels for things that I shouldn't because they were cool, and my code was slow and a mess 20:49 < Namegduf> If you think everything should be goroutines, start with stdlib stuff, maybe? 20:51 < |Craig|> I wanted a generator object lie in python, I used a channel. Using a function instead was a lot faster and simpler 20:51 -!- boomtopper [~boomtoppe@host86-128-243-59.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:55 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-166-56.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: E se abbasso questa leva che succ...] 20:58 -!- dshep [~dss@c-76-21-12-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:00 < kevlar> well, that was a fun weekend project. 21:00 * kevlar just finished an app that does image steganography with optional AES encryption. 21:01 < kevlar> I can take a jpeg of a kitten and embed itself (AES encrypted) in a PNG that's visually indistinguishable from the original. 21:01 < kevlar> I'm only doing 3 bits per pixel, though, but I'm sure I could up the density considerably before it starts to be noticeable. 21:03 -!- bortzmeyer [~stephane@2a01:e35:8bd9:8bb0:2183:4ed0:2161:5d1a] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:09 -!- dshep [~dss@c-76-21-12-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:10 -!- dshep [~dss@c-76-21-12-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:14 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:16 -!- firwen [~firwen@2a01:e34:eea3:7e10:4a5b:39ff:fe51:e8ae] has quit [Quit: Geek insindeĀ®] 21:16 -!- jyxent [~jyxent@129.128.191.54] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:18 -!- TheMue [~TheMue@p5DDF4C38.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: TheMue] 21:21 -!- dshep [~dss@c-76-21-12-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:22 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has joined #go-nuts 21:22 -!- jyxent [~jyxent@129.128.191.54] has joined #go-nuts 21:28 -!- KingPhilroy [~kingphilr@shc-nat-newhall.stonehill.edu] has joined #go-nuts 21:30 -!- keidaa [~keidaa@cm-84.210.56.138.getinternet.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:31 < Sebastian_> Anyone here who's working on the crypto package by chance? 21:36 < kevlar> working on or working with? 21:36 < kevlar> I've been playing with it of late. 21:39 -!- Fish- [~Fish@9fans.fr] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 21:43 -!- gtaylor [~gtaylor@99-5-124-9.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 21:46 -!- foocraft [~dsc@78.100.208.32] has joined #go-nuts 22:06 -!- dreadlorde [~dreadlord@c-24-11-39-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:09 -!- edsrzf [~edsrzf@122-61-221-144.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #go-nuts 22:10 -!- gtaylor [~gtaylor@99-5-124-9.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: gtaylor] 22:34 -!- angasule [~angasule@190.2.33.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:39 -!- unhygienix [~unhygieni@host86-135-59-30.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: unhygienix] 23:01 -!- angasule [~angasule@190.2.33.49] has joined #go-nuts 23:24 < vsmatck> I wonder if implicit closures will be a source of bugs in go code. I was reading about rust today and it has explicit closures. What you guys think? 23:24 -!- angasule [~angasule@190.2.33.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25 < vsmatck> I don't think this is an issue. But I can see it biting some people. Like when you do a go func() { ... }() in the middle of a function an accidently use a variable from the outside scope. 23:25 < vsmatck> I guess the tradeoff is extra typing and text for some safety? 23:26 < Namegduf> Eh. 23:26 < Namegduf> I guess, but I think the safety gain is small because the risk is small. 23:26 < vsmatck> yeah I'm tending to think that too. 23:27 < Namegduf> Statically catching errors via explicitly writing out information and checking for conflicts is good, but there has to be a limit. 23:27 < vsmatck> I guess safety vs verbosity is a value judgement. 23:27 < rm445_> hmm, I don't know Go's scoping rules at all. In C, you can always do 'int x; { int x; }' (shadowing the previous x with block scope) - does the equivalent work in go? 23:27 < Namegduf> Yeah. 23:27 < Namegduf> Yes. 23:27 < rm445_> If so then accidentally catching an outside variable in a closure is just the same thing 23:28 < vsmatck> yeah, that's the potential problem. 23:29 < vsmatck> Rust is interesting. Similar to Go in a lot of ways but many of the value judgements are different. Another judgement call they made differently is to not allow channels to be composeable. 23:29 < vsmatck> Like you can't sent a "call back channel" over a channel. 23:30 -!- a2800276 [~a2800276@xdsl-213-196-209-13.netcologne.de] has joined #go-nuts 23:31 < vsmatck> Another interesting choice is that their GC is closer to earlang. Each process will have it's own GC. No global GC like in Go. 23:32 < vsmatck> I would think that'd lead to better performance on systems with lots of CPUs. 23:32 < Namegduf> Hmm. 23:32 < vsmatck> I think doing that requires some language choices I don't fully understand though. 23:32 < Namegduf> Not at all unless you also make "process" scheduling favour individual processors. 23:33 < Namegduf> Which is doable, but a required first step. 23:33 < Namegduf> I suspect it'd hurt memory usage everywhere, though, and I don't know what it'd mean for passing values around. 23:33 < Namegduf> Would it mean the first process would need to retain a handle on it, or it goes invalid? 23:34 < |Craig|> vsmatck: if you want to add extra clarity to closures, you can make a function that does nothing but make and return a closure, and pass all the outer scope things it needs to that function. 23:34 < Namegduf> That'd make a lot of passing stuff around in Go a lot harder, and negate a lot of the point of a GC in some cases, as you'd still have to explicitly say "I'm done" to the original process. 23:35 < vsmatck> In rust I think they disallow stuff like passing a pointer over a channel. They seem super strict about about having situations where two different threads can mutate the same data. 23:36 < Namegduf> Ouch. 23:36 < vsmatck> yeah, that could cost some performance. Not sure about the tradeoff. 23:37 < |Craig|> That kind of restriction can be very useful, but it makes the language entirely different as far as use-cases go in my opinion 23:37 < vsmatck> Because that seems to be a performance for safety tradeoff. But then is it? 23:37 < Namegduf> Maintainability for safety, too. 23:37 < Namegduf> That restricts a lot of things you can do in Go. 23:38 < Namegduf> Changes design. 23:38 < |Craig|> if you want to process an image in 2 threads, you have to copy at least half of it at least twice if you can't send pointers 23:38 < Namegduf> Yeah, I think you'd have to use their processes fairly different to goroutine as a result. 23:38 < Namegduf> *goroutines 23:40 < vsmatck> I should probably verify this. I mean if the data is immutable there's no reason not to have the ability to pass a pointer. I think it's one of those languages where everything is strictly known to be immutable or not. 23:40 < vsmatck> *shrug* :) 23:41 < |Craig|> I could imagine passing special pointers that could only be passed, not copied. It would be a very different language though. You could split a slice, but not subslice if you wanted to be able to give it to another thread 23:45 < |Craig|> If every object has one mutation pointer, which can be destroyed and turned into a copyable pointer that does not allow mutation, things would be inherently concurrency safe, but that would be a strange language 23:45 < |Craig|> prabably not too useful either 23:45 < Namegduf> I'm going to refrain from value judgements, Rust looks interesting. 23:45 < Namegduf> It "goes further" than Go but seems to have some similar concepts here and there. 23:46 < Namegduf> I'm not going to switch, though. 23:46 -!- dreadlorde [~dreadlord@c-24-11-39-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:46 < Namegduf> One not shared concept is simplicity, for example. 23:46 < Namegduf> I like simplicity. 23:50 < |Craig|> I like complexity in my scripting language, and simplicity in my long term and/or performance critical languages --- Log closed Sun May 01 00:00:26 2011