--- Log opened Tue May 10 00:00:50 2011 00:01 -!- tobym [~tobym@cpe-72-229-2-6.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 00:02 -!- pearle [~pearle@blk-224-181-222.eastlink.ca] has joined #go-nuts 00:10 -!- cco3 [~conleyo@nat/google/x-uuazxkvhehwxykur] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:11 -!- jbooth1 [~jay@209.249.216.2] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:13 -!- whitespacechar [~whitespac@24-247-159-7.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has joined #go-nuts 00:13 -!- dreadlorde [~dreadlord@c-24-11-39-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 00:13 < whitespacechar> Is there a bit-array library? 00:15 -!- cco3 [~conleyo@nat/google/x-roovyhdsclefumji] has joined #go-nuts 00:20 < whitespacechar> Hello, all. I'm wondering where a bit array library has been created for go. 00:32 -!- nighty-- [~nighty@210.188.173.245] has joined #go-nuts 00:36 -!- Nitro [~Nitro@unaffiliated/nitro] has joined #go-nuts 00:40 -!- binarypie [~binarypie@adsl-76-254-24-124.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:47 -!- Kafo [~Kafo@a91-154-11-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:51 < KirkMcDonald> whitespacechar: There are integers and bitwise operations. 00:51 < |Craig|> whitespacechar: this is slightly relevant, but it does 2D bit fields. Its not very nice either: https://github.com/Craig-Macomber/goFlame/blob/master/bitTable.go 00:53 < whitespacechar> ah, that is almost exactly what I ended up writing. Thanks. 00:57 -!- mikespook [~mikespook@183.47.227.136] has joined #go-nuts 01:03 < whitespacechar> Is there a standard way to define a const which is the size of a uint ? 01:09 < whitespacechar> const sz = unsafe.Sizeof(uint(0)) 01:09 < whitespacechar> perhaps? 01:14 -!- anticw [~anticw@c-98-210-108-13.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 01:15 -!- anticw [~anticw@c-98-210-108-13.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:16 -!- pingveno [~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:19 -!- pingveno [~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:20 < skelterjohn> it wouldn't be a const - it would be a var 01:20 < skelterjohn> actually - i think unsafe.Sizeof is special 01:22 < skelterjohn> unsafe.Sizeof(something) is a "constant expression" 01:22 < skelterjohn> whitespacechar: so i think "const sz = ..." like you said would work 01:22 < whitespacechar> yes, it is special. 01:33 -!- whitespacechar [~whitespac@24-247-159-7.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has quit [Quit: whitespacechar] 01:35 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:36 -!- foocraft [~ewanas@78.101.212.200] has joined #go-nuts 01:42 -!- angasule [~angasule@190.2.33.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:45 -!- espeed [~espeed@63.246.231.57] has joined #go-nuts 01:49 -!- Wiz126 [~Wiz@24.229.245.72.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:53 -!- Wiz126 [~Wiz@24.229.245.72.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net] has joined #go-nuts 01:59 -!- fmoo [~Adium@66.220.144.74] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:00 -!- joshbaptiste [~joshbapti@74.63.255.72] has joined #go-nuts 02:01 -!- hcatlin [~hcatlin@pdpc/supporter/professional/hcatlin] has quit [Quit: hcatlin] 02:20 -!- soapy_illusion [~alex@modemcable005.105-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #go-nuts 02:20 -!- soapy_illusion [~alex@modemcable005.105-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 02:21 -!- soapy_illusions [~alex@modemcable005.105-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #go-nuts 02:22 < soapy_illusions> running all.bash on a new system and it ends (without any errors) right after 6l is built, but many tools are left unbuilt 02:26 -!- kr [~Keith@204.14.152.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:26 < soapy_illusions> Error found: lack of bison dependency... maybe there should be a warning... 02:36 -!- gtaylor [~gtaylor@99-5-124-9.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:37 -!- brtk [~brtk@c83-248-35-158.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:42 -!- AmourDeZombi [~jphillips@c-68-41-9-175.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:54 -!- krutcha [~krutcha@S010600045a27676a.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:58 -!- Paradox924X [~Paradox92@vaserv/irc/founder] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:58 -!- Paradox924X [~Paradox92@c-68-35-229-34.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 02:59 -!- soapy_illusions [~alex@modemcable005.105-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:59 -!- pearle [~pearle@blk-224-181-222.eastlink.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:11 -!- daaku [~daaku@c-67-188-113-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:12 < daaku> hi all. silly question; is there a better way to write this: bytes.NewBufferString("foo").Bytes() 03:14 < skelterjohn> []byte("foo") 03:14 < daaku> skelterjohn: cool, thanks! 03:14 < skelterjohn> np 03:15 -!- kr [~Keith@c-24-5-193-165.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:15 -!- gtaylor [~gtaylor@99-5-124-9.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: gtaylor] 03:17 -!- foocraft [~ewanas@78.101.212.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:19 -!- freetz [~fritz@75-173-7-85.albq.qwest.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:27 -!- whitespacechar [~whitespac@24-247-159-7.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has joined #go-nuts 03:37 -!- Bigbear11 [~Cody@d173-181-43-12.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #go-nuts 03:37 -!- Bigbear1 [~Cody@d173-181-43-12.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:38 < daaku> is gotest known to be slow? i'm seeing 1.24s for runs of a simple hello world app: https://gist.github.com/008cb02d66a5aa47fc45 -- seems kinda odd 03:38 < daaku> is there something that can be done to make it quicker? 03:40 < skelterjohn> daaku: gotest builds the binary every time 03:43 < icey> does emacs or vi have better go support at the moment? 03:43 < daaku> skelterjohn: making the project takes about 1 second too. maybe i need to use a faster machine ;) 03:43 < skelterjohn> go has really fast compile time - but its linking time is nothing special as far as i can tell :) 03:44 < daaku> icey: i'm using the included vim files with https://github.com/nsf/gocode -- quite great 03:44 < icey> daaku: thank you sir 03:44 < icey> oh, this is cool 03:45 < daaku> icey: it works great with goinstalled stuff too, which makes discovering apis easier 03:45 < icey> damn, that's awesome 03:46 < icey> it looks like it works in emacs and vim?? 03:46 < daaku> yeah, nuts 03:47 -!- freetz [~fritz@75-173-7-85.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:47 -!- dreadlorde [~dreadlord@c-24-11-39-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:47 < mdxi> icey: likewise, the included go-mode has been pretty nice for me. so it's probably a question of your preferred editor. 03:47 < icey> you don't really hear from the go community much, but there's a surprising amount of stuff out here 03:47 < icey> pretty impressive for such a young language 03:50 < Makoryu> You can basically conjure an awesome community out of thin air with proper backing from the right company 03:50 < icey> Makoryu: tell microsoft that (i'm a c# dev at my day job ;)) 03:50 < Makoryu> icey: MS is a perfect example of exactly the wrong company... 03:50 < Makoryu> My hypothesis stands ;) 03:51 < icey> lol 03:51 < skelterjohn> um - they did create the C# community out of thin air 03:51 < skelterjohn> it's a pretty successful language 03:51 < Makoryu> skelterjohn: Yeah but I dunno that it's awesome. The community isn't terribly internally cooperative 03:51 < icey> skelterjohn: it's not really a community of makers though - usually people wait for MSFT to make libraries for them, then they use them 03:51 < Makoryu> ^ 03:51 < Makoryu> I was gonna type more or less exactly that 03:52 < icey> skelterjohn: it's getting a little better because of Mono; but those poor guys get it from both directions - the MSFT fans don't trust them / don't understand open source, and the rest of the free software world doesn't trust them 03:52 < icey> i really like c#, fwiw 03:52 < icey> (i operate planet c#) 03:53 < Makoryu> icey: If software patents were suddenly demolished overnight the world would be a better place for them especially 03:54 < fzzbt> demolish all copyright, patent and trademark 03:54 < fzzbt> then all feel happy sharing together 03:54 < icey> I used to work for a guy who went to microsoft as a developer evangelist... we used to joke that Microsoft / .Net developers were the stereotypical ugly americans of the software world 03:55 < icey> i.e. completely unaware of anything outside of what was immediately available 03:55 < Makoryu> Hah 03:57 < Makoryu> fzzbt: Reducing the terms on most categories of patents and copyrights would be good... I don't think trademarks are totally out of control though 03:57 < icey> anyways, sorry for derailing the conversation :/ Go seems like a nice way to get back to OSS development 03:57 < Makoryu> Abolishing all patents is questionable at best, and abolishing copyrights would clearly be harmful 03:57 < Makoryu> Indeed 03:58 < fzzbt> why would it be harmful 03:58 < icey> i especially like that there's not a lot of ceremony to making software wit hit 03:58 < fzzbt> and to whom 03:59 -!- |Craig| [~|Craig|@panda3d/entropy] has quit [Quit: |Craig|] 04:00 < Makoryu> fzzbt: To the economy, bro 04:00 < fzzbt> who cares about that 04:01 < Makoryu> fzzbt: Without an economy it is hard to have IRC 04:01 < Makoryu> I would say you probably care 04:01 < fzzbt> just bring back communism 04:01 < Makoryu> ( °‿‿°) 04:01 < Makoryu> Communism was never here 04:01 < Makoryu> It's not so much a dead horse as an undead unicorn 04:01 < fzzbt> uncle lenin loves you 04:01 < fzzbt> anway, i don't like the idea of allowing companies to "own" rights to words. that violates freedom of expression. 04:02 < fzzbt> well maybe other than their own company name 04:05 < Makoryu> fzzbt: It bothers me too but there are some mitigating factors in the case of trademark law 04:05 < Makoryu> At least stateside 04:05 < mdxi> "whether copyright is useful" and "whether corporations are entitled to the rights of natural persons" are two different arguments, but both very complex ones. 04:06 < Makoryu> mdxi: God don't get me started on the latter :V 04:07 < Makoryu> fzzbt: Anyway, to own a trademark you have to have it in active use. You can't just register it and hang onto the rights for a hundred years like you can with music 04:07 < Makoryu> (Er, music copyrights) 04:08 < mdxi> i'm certainly not trying to. i was actually, gently, trying the opposite :) 04:08 < Makoryu> Also you have to defend it in court whenever you become aware of a possible infringement 04:08 < Makoryu> So you can't do the "submarine patent" trick with a trademark 04:09 < Makoryu> mdxi: :p 04:12 -!- zozoR [~Morten@2906ds2-arno.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #go-nuts 04:13 -!- krutcha [~krutcha@S010600045a27676a.vs.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:14 < daaku> anyone know where to look for functions that operate on native types? for example i can't seem to figure out if there's a function to look for a string inside a []string 04:16 < daaku> (and by that i mean look if an element exists in the slice) 04:16 -!- rejb [~rejb@unaffiliated/rejb] has quit [Disconnected by services] 04:16 -!- keithcascio [~keithcasc@nat/google/x-dydcqflthdgiqqhu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:16 -!- rejb [~rejb@unaffiliated/rejb] has joined #go-nuts 04:18 -!- |Craig| [~|Craig|@panda3d/entropy] has joined #go-nuts 04:20 -!- whitespacechar [~whitespac@24-247-159-7.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has quit [Quit: whitespacechar] 04:20 < daaku> man, googling for go is hard 04:22 -!- victor_ [~victor@c-71-232-78-237.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:23 < zozoR> daaku, try looking at the strings library 04:24 < zozoR> if it is not there, you can make the function yourself easily :D 04:24 < Makoryu> Haskell programmers have it easy with Hoogle 04:24 < Makoryu> They can search by type across, like, every major library 04:24 < Makoryu> It would be neat if Go had that 04:24 < Makoryu> They could call it... hmm.... Google, I guess.... 04:24 < Makoryu> :/ 04:28 < chowmeined> gogle 04:28 < chowmeined> gohoo 04:28 < chowmeined> gofram alpha 04:40 -!- gaxxx [~woo@219.143.166.16] has joined #go-nuts 04:43 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:44 < zozoR> Makoryu, the golang.org site's search feature does somewhat like that too 04:45 < zozoR> as it is pretty easy to find out where your types come from, its pretty easy to look up the docs 04:45 < zozoR> ofcourse, not everything in the docs is thoroughly explained :3 04:48 -!- preflex [~preflex@unaffiliated/mauke/bot/preflex] has joined #go-nuts 04:48 < daaku> also found this: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/go-search 05:00 < Makoryu> Nice 05:02 -!- dju__ [dju@fsf/member/dju] has joined #go-nuts 05:03 -!- Bigbear11 [~Cody@d173-181-43-12.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:05 -!- dju_ [dju@fsf/member/dju] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:07 -!- foocraft [~ewanas@78.101.212.200] has joined #go-nuts 05:16 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:22 -!- binarypie [~binarypie@c-24-6-151-185.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:23 -!- zozoR [~Morten@2906ds2-arno.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:39 -!- nteon [~nteon@c-98-210-195-105.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 05:40 -!- aho [~nya@fuld-590c67e7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: EXEC_over.METHOD_SUBLIMATION] 05:40 < nteon> I don't understand a line in an example in effective go. In the slice section, the last example is Append, and I don't understand why 'slice = slice[0:l+len(data)]' is there 05:41 < nteon> it looks like a bug to me, but I would love to be enlightened if it isn't :) 05:41 -!- kr [~Keith@c-24-5-193-165.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 05:41 < nteon> is it just a clever way to resize the slice? maybe thats it 05:42 < nteon> must be 05:43 < str1ngs> nteon: yes 05:43 < str1ngs> useful if you want just portions of the slice or you need to trim 05:44 < nteon> str1ngs: how do i tell a byte slice apart from a byte array? it seems like they both have the same type of []byte. 05:45 < nteon> is it that arrays have an explicit size in the []? 05:45 < str1ngs> correct 05:46 < nteon> cool 05:46 < nteon> thats easy 05:46 < str1ngs> most times its slices are easier to work with. 05:46 < str1ngs> so I find, but I'm lazy :P 05:47 < nteon> hah 05:47 < nteon> it seems that way 05:47 < str1ngs> and iirc the underlying arrays are pointers so its very cheap to pass around 05:48 < nteon> yea its interesting 05:49 < str1ngs> append I should probably use more. I really like to abuse the bytes.Buffer though 05:49 -!- binarypie [~binarypie@c-24-6-151-185.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:51 -!- Makoryu [~bloodgog@pool-71-174-191-10.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Quit: Quit: Quit: Qui*** Exception: Stack overflow.] 05:52 < nteon> im trying to force myself all the way through effective go before i start playing around with some stuff. so far i seem to agree with all of the language decisions :) 05:52 < str1ngs> effective go is very good. if you are coming from another language. 05:53 < nteon> yea, C and python mostly. and java but thats not by choice so it doesn't count 05:54 < str1ngs> oh C and python, you'll like go then 05:56 -!- foocraft [~ewanas@78.101.212.200] has quit [Quit: if you're going....to san. fran. cisco!!!] 05:56 < nteon> yup! so far so good :) 05:57 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.111.113] has joined #go-nuts 05:57 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.111.113] has quit [Client Quit] 05:59 -!- dfc [~dfc@eth59-167-133-99.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:02 -!- benkant [~benkant@its-wv-bcprox4.its.rmit.edu.au] has joined #go-nuts 06:02 -!- tvw [~tv@212.79.9.150] has joined #go-nuts 06:03 < benkant> Any ideas what this could be? /Users/ben/workspace/go/pkg/darwin_amd64/runtime.a(msize.6): object is [darwin amd64 release.r57.1 8294] expected [darwin amd64 ] 06:04 < benkant> Happens for every build with 6g (including the tests run from all.bash) 06:04 < nteon> int(^uint(0) >> 1) what is this? how can you do an xor with only one value? 06:04 < benkant> ^ this is with a checkout from hg "release" just now 06:05 < nteon> nm, apparently ~ is bitwise compliment when used as a unary op 06:06 -!- Fish- [~Fish@9fans.fr] has joined #go-nuts 06:06 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.111.113] has joined #go-nuts 06:12 -!- binarypie [~binarypie@c-24-6-151-185.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:13 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has joined #go-nuts 06:14 -!- luruke [~luruke@adsl-ull-27-113.50-151.net24.it] has joined #go-nuts 06:14 -!- luruke [~luruke@adsl-ull-27-113.50-151.net24.it] has left #go-nuts [] 06:14 < nteon> benkant: I don't know much, but perhaps you have to do a gomake clean? 06:17 -!- petrux [~petrux@host16-224-static.53-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #go-nuts 06:17 -!- petrux_ [~petrux@host16-224-static.53-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #go-nuts 06:19 -!- iant [~iant@216.239.45.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:20 -!- petrux [~petrux@host16-224-static.53-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Disconnected by services] 06:22 -!- hcatlin [~hcatlin@pdpc/supporter/professional/hcatlin] has joined #go-nuts 06:26 < benkant> nteon: yeah, I don't think that'll help- I'm just doing: "hg clone -u release https://go.googlecode.com/hg/ go && cd go/src && ./all.bash" and there's a whole pile of errors along on the lines of "/Users/ben/workspace/go/pkg/darwin_amd64/runtime.a(msize.6): object is [darwin amd64 release.r57.1 8294] expected [darwin amd64 ]" when it does the tests 06:27 -!- petrux [~petrux@host16-224-static.53-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:27 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@conference/ubuntudevelopersummit/x-olxxsamsomxbgyag] has joined #go-nuts 06:27 -!- petrux [~petrux@host16-224-static.53-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #go-nuts 06:28 < nteon> benkant: hmm, all.bash does seem to call clean.bash as its first item of business 06:28 < benkant> nteon: yep 06:31 < nteon> benkant: sorry, I'm not going to be able to help you any more than that and I'm going to bed :) 06:31 < benkant> nteon: that's okay! thanks :) 06:34 -!- genbattle [~nick@203-173-207-1.dialup.ihug.co.nz] has joined #go-nuts 06:37 -!- iant [~iant@adsl-71-133-8-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #go-nuts 06:37 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 06:38 < benkant> oh wow... looks like I had installed go with homebrew previously and forgotten, and 6g was already in my path 06:39 -!- str1ngs [~strings@unaffiliated/str1ngs] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0] 06:39 -!- virtualsue [~chatzilla@nat/cisco/x-dboqtkrygoldayon] has joined #go-nuts 06:40 -!- str1ngs [~strings@unaffiliated/str1ngs] has joined #go-nuts 06:40 < taruti> Got a new version of Go natively working on Plan 9 :) 06:41 < vegai> nice 06:41 < vegai> how well does it work? 06:42 < taruti> vegai: with the reflection bug fixed quite nicely it seems, but needs more testing. 06:46 < eiro> great 06:48 < eiro> i wonder if some plan9ers want to rewrite some parts of plan9 in go 06:50 -!- benkant [~benkant@its-wv-bcprox4.its.rmit.edu.au] has quit [Quit: benkant] 06:51 -!- brtk [~brtk@c83-248-35-158.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #go-nuts 06:52 < wrtp> taruti: how much of the test suite does it pass? 06:53 < vegai> I wonder, could Plan 9 be run in Amazon EC2? 06:53 < vegai> the free micro instance should be more than enough for a simple plan9 host 06:54 < taruti> wrtp: no easy way to run the testsuite without bash I think. 06:58 -!- piranha [~piranha@5ED42E59.cm-7-5a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #go-nuts 06:59 -!- genbattle [~nick@203-173-207-1.dialup.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:00 < wrtp> taruti: well you could just do: cd $GOROOT/src/pkg; for(i in *){cd $i && gotest && cd ..} 07:00 < wrtp> which would get you some way... 07:01 < wrtp> (i think gotest was a bash script, but it isn't any more) 07:02 -!- ExtraSpice [XtraSpice@88.118.35.153] has joined #go-nuts 07:04 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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they'll announce go for the app engine 12:26 -!- Nitro [~Nitro@unaffiliated/nitro] has joined #go-nuts 12:26 < erus`> pffff 12:27 < erus`> $10 on that being wrong 12:27 < str1ngs> go app engine??? 12:27 < str1ngs> yes! 12:27 -!- tobym [~tobym@cpe-72-229-2-6.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #go-nuts 12:27 < vegai> that'd be quite a surprise 12:28 < erus`> how about #haskell app engine? 12:29 < wrtp> the only reason i reckon think that is because of a stray remark made by rob pike in golang-dev a while ago: "... I'd rather shelve this discussion at least until the App Engine stuff is out." 12:30 < wrtp> s/reckon// 12:30 < ww> so what does that mean... given that i'm crippled without cgo... lots of gorpc? 12:30 < wrtp> perhaps he was referring to some unrelated internal project at google... 12:31 < wrtp> ww: why are you crippled without cgo? 12:31 < ww> the main reason is a log of rdf (de)serialisation 12:31 < wrtp> that could be done in go, no? 12:31 < ww> so until i or someone else gets around to writing parsers and serialisers for go... it's libraptor 12:32 < ww> wrtp: it could, but i'd need some breathing room on my projects to have time to do it 12:32 < wrtp> first thought "how hard could it be?" and then i saw "The supported parsing syntaxes are RDF/XML, N-Quads, N-Triples, TRiG, Turtle, RSS tag soup including all versions of RSS, Atom 1.0 and 0.3, GRDDL and microformats for HTML, XHTML and XML and RDFa. The serializing syntaxes are RDF/XML (regular, and abbreviated), Atom 1.0, GraphViz, JSON, N-Quads, N-Triples, RSS 1.0 and XMP." 12:32 < wrtp> you use all of that stuff? 12:33 < ww> not all, the important ones are rdf/xml, turtle and n-quads/n-triples 12:33 < ww> the last are really simple... 12:33 < ww> turtle's probably the hardest, but still not very hard 12:34 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@conference/ubuntudevelopersummit/x-qiaguhrnbjhlnhlv] has joined #go-nuts 12:34 < ww> json is also popular these days, come to think of it (but what flavour of json? defer to the wg...) 12:36 -!- whitespacechar [~whitespac@24-247-159-7.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has quit [Quit: whitespacechar] 12:38 < vegai> wrtp: I just googled for that remark and the only hit was to an irc log of you saying it just now :P 12:38 < vegai> oh wait, no. It was 2011-02-24 :) 12:38 < vegai> my bad 12:39 < vegai> I overestimated the Google 12:39 < wrtp> yes, that's the right date 12:39 < vegai> is golang-dev non-archived? 12:39 < wrtp> i went looking for it on google groups, but it seems to have gone from there... i wonder why :-) 12:39 < vegai> heh 12:42 -!- TheMue_ [~TheMue@wlan-hotspot-017.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #go-nuts 12:42 -!- TheMue [~TheMue@wlan-hotspot-017.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:46 < xyproto> what is turtle used for? 12:46 < xyproto> something to do with unicode? 12:47 < xyproto> is it a query language? 12:47 < vegai> yes, for rdf 12:47 -!- dreadlorde [~dreadlord@c-24-11-39-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 12:48 < vegai> it seems kinda neat in the same way as Forth seems neat 12:48 < xyproto> reality distortion fields? 12:48 < xyproto> ah, resource description framework, I see. 12:49 < Soultaker> turtle is not a query language; it's just a data encoding 12:49 < vegai> oh, that's right 12:50 < vegai> but why is it compared to query languages 12:50 < vegai> such as sparql 12:50 < Soultaker> is it? where did you see that? 12:52 -!- zozoR [~Morten@2906ds2-arno.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #go-nuts 12:56 < vegai> http://www.dajobe.org/2004/01/turtle/2007-09-11/ for intsance 12:56 < vegai> 14. 13:00 < Soultaker> ah, they're just comparing the syntax used to specify subgraphs in Sparql 13:00 < Soultaker> rdf querying typically works by pattern matching, so you have to include some way so specify the subgraphs to match. 13:01 < Soultaker> formats like N-triples and RDF XML specify ONLY an RDF graph, but Sparql does this and more. 13:03 -!- KingPhilroy [~kingphilr@shc-nat-newhall.stonehill.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:11 -!- gtaylor [~gtaylor@99-126-136-139.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 13:12 -!- TheMue_ [~TheMue@wlan-hotspot-017.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #go-nuts 13:12 -!- TheMue [~TheMue@wlan-hotspot-017.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:21 -!- sacho [~sacho@95-42-83-83.btc-net.bg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26 -!- iant [~iant@adsl-71-133-8-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:30 -!- dreadlorde [~dreadlord@c-24-11-39-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:32 -!- tobym [~tobym@cpe-72-229-2-6.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:38 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@conference/ubuntudevelopersummit/x-qiaguhrnbjhlnhlv] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:40 -!- iant [~iant@67.218.109.241] has joined #go-nuts 13:40 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 13:43 -!- TheMue_ [~TheMue@wlan-hotspot-017.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #go-nuts 13:43 -!- TheMue [~TheMue@wlan-hotspot-017.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:47 -!- foocraft [~ewanas@86.36.41.185] has joined #go-nuts 13:56 -!- jbooth1 [~jay@209.249.216.2] has joined #go-nuts 13:58 -!- dreadlorde [~dreadlord@c-24-11-39-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 14:01 -!- brtk [~brtk@dhcp-072127.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined #go-nuts 14:05 -!- bortzmeyer [~stephane@2a01:e35:8bd9:8bb0:1093:80f4:cdcf:6a20] has joined #go-nuts 14:06 -!- xash [~xash@d025101.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:13 -!- TheMue_ [~TheMue@wlan-hotspot-017.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #go-nuts 14:13 -!- TheMue [~TheMue@wlan-hotspot-017.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:24 -!- Cobi [~Cobi@2002:1828:88fb:0:aede:48ff:febe:ef03] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31 -!- Cobi [~Cobi@2002:1828:88fb:0:aede:48ff:febe:ef03] has joined #go-nuts 14:34 -!- pharris [~Adium@rhgw.opentext.com] has joined #go-nuts 14:34 -!- foocraft [~ewanas@86.36.41.185] has quit [Quit: if you're going....to san. fran. cisco!!!] 14:37 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@75-27-133-72.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 14:38 < exch> http://code.google.com/edu/courses.html Good to see Go is listed among the programming languages. There' no course material for it yet though 14:40 -!- xyproto [~alexander@77.40.159.131] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:40 -!- Mr_Dark [~dk@poviko.demon.nl] has joined #go-nuts 14:41 -!- petrux [~petrux@host16-224-static.53-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:43 -!- TheMue_ [~TheMue@wlan-hotspot-017.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #go-nuts 14:43 -!- TheMue [~TheMue@wlan-hotspot-017.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:45 -!- xyproto [~alexander@77.40.159.131] has joined #go-nuts 14:49 -!- Sake [~Sake@163.5.72.131] has joined #go-nuts 14:50 < Sake> Hi, somebody can help me ? I have a little problem with golang 14:50 < ww> Sake: ask away! 14:51 -!- brtk [~brtk@dhcp-072127.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:51 -!- victor_ [~victor@c-71-232-78-237.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 263 seconds] 14:52 <+iant> it's usually better to just ask, rather than to ask whether you can ask 14:53 < Sake> Goroutine nevers works with me 14:54 < ww> that's a little vague... what are you trying to do exactly? 14:54 < Sake> When i made go myfunc() that dont do anything 14:54 < jnwhiteh> Probably because the main goroutines finishes, so the program stops executing 14:55 < jnwhiteh> This is covered in the basic goroutine examples, let me dig them up 14:55 < Sake> I made a while true and wait but that don't work 14:55 < ww> try putting a time.Sleep(1e9) at the end of your main function 14:55 < Namegduf> A busy loop will not yield 14:56 < Namegduf> Use a sleep. 14:56 < Sake> K 14:56 < Sake> i try, just a second please 14:56 * delinka puts that in a fortune cookie: "A busy loop will not yield" 14:56 < nictuku> Sake, maybe paste the code in pastie.org so we can take a look 14:56 < Sake> That's work very fine 14:56 < Sake> Thank you all 14:57 < jnwhiteh> If you want your entire program to not terminate until your goroutine has finished, you can use a channel or a WaitGroup to accomplish that 14:58 < jnwhiteh> rather than choosing an arbitrary wait time 14:59 < Sake> Ok i'm going see some doc' about this 14:59 < wrtp> Sake: you can also use select{} to wait forever while letting other goroutines work away 15:00 -!- iant [~iant@67.218.109.241] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:01 < skelterjohn> GOMAXPROCS. 15:02 < skelterjohn> wrtp: I've been making progress with the mac drawing thing, too 15:02 < wrtp> skelterjohn: me too :-) 15:02 < skelterjohn> i'm coming from a different direction though 15:03 < skelterjohn> i'm trying to make use of xcode and nibs and such 15:03 < skelterjohn> the interface builder is very complicated :\ 15:03 < wrtp> i'm trying to make macs work with exp/draw 15:03 < wrtp> it's mostly working 15:03 < wrtp> except no titlebar or menu etc yet 15:04 < skelterjohn> aha - that stuff comes for free when using interface builder 15:04 < wrtp> yes, but have you actually tried using it from Go? 15:04 < wrtp> thread-safety issues are a bit of a nightmare 15:04 -!- brtk [~brtk@dhcp-077034.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined #go-nuts 15:05 < skelterjohn> i have been unable to figure out how to have gcc recognize my framework, yet 15:05 < skelterjohn> xcode 4 builds to... strange places 15:05 < skelterjohn> i don't actually know where 15:05 < skelterjohn> so it's not as simple as dragging the framework into the right place in /Frameworks, or wherever 15:06 < wrtp> i think you'll be lucky to get go to fit in with the usual appkit framework 15:07 < skelterjohn> my framework is invoked entirely with C functions 15:07 < skelterjohn> does its own event loop, etc 15:07 < wrtp> so what are you using interface builder etc for? 15:08 < skelterjohn> because whenever i ask how to do things in #macdev, they're just like "use IB, it's so easy" 15:08 < skelterjohn> so i'm trying it out 15:08 < skelterjohn> maybe it won't work in the end. we'll see. 15:10 < wrtp> skelterjohn: yeah - IB is easy when you're trying to do something normal... 15:11 < wrtp> but we're not trying to do something normal :-) 15:11 < wrtp> BTW i found this post very helpful: http://www.cocoabuilder.com/archive/cocoa/58404-nsapp-currentevent.html#56717 15:12 < skelterjohn> i'll take a look at it in a bit 15:12 -!- hcatlin [~hcatlin@206.111.142.135.ptr.us.xo.net] has joined #go-nuts 15:12 -!- hcatlin [~hcatlin@206.111.142.135.ptr.us.xo.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:12 -!- hcatlin [~hcatlin@pdpc/supporter/professional/hcatlin] has joined #go-nuts 15:13 -!- TheMue_ [~TheMue@wlan-hotspot-017.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #go-nuts 15:13 -!- TheMue [~TheMue@wlan-hotspot-017.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:14 -!- brtk [~brtk@dhcp-077034.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:18 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@conference/ubuntudevelopersummit/x-mjyfyjznmgbvqfib] has joined #go-nuts 15:24 < taruti> Any opinions on go-pgsql vs pgsql.go ? 15:27 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-24-0-2-70.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 15:28 -!- piranha [~piranha@5ED42E59.cm-7-5a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:33 -!- mikelalonde [~Adium@69.241.19.12] has joined #go-nuts 15:34 -!- TheMue [~TheMue@wlan-hotspot-017.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Quit: TheMue] 15:37 -!- brtk [~brtk@dhcp-077034.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined #go-nuts 15:38 < wrtp> taruti: never looked at either, sorry. 15:41 -!- foocraft [~ewanas@178.152.88.128] has joined #go-nuts 15:46 -!- nictuku [~yvesj@unaffiliated/nictuku] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:46 -!- nictuku [~yvesj@74.125.121.33] has joined #go-nuts 15:46 -!- nictuku [~yvesj@74.125.121.33] has quit [Changing host] 15:46 -!- nictuku [~yvesj@unaffiliated/nictuku] has joined #go-nuts 15:47 -!- erus` [~chatzilla@mailgate.ips-international.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50 < icey> http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/go/overview.html 15:50 < icey> It looks like Go on App Engine will get announced today 15:50 -!- shvntr [~shvntr@116.26.130.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:51 < str1ngs> yes! 15:52 < str1ngs> http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/go/overview.html yes 15:52 < aiju> wtfi appengine? 15:53 < str1ngs> sorry wrong channel 15:53 < iTonnerre> http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/whatisgoogleappengine.html 15:54 -!- daaku [~daaku@c-67-188-113-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: daaku] 15:56 -!- Sake [~Sake@163.5.72.131] has left #go-nuts ["Thanks for all"] 15:59 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@conference/ubuntudevelopersummit/x-mjyfyjznmgbvqfib] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:00 < wrtp> thought so! 16:02 -!- Sep102__ [~Sep102@c-71-231-176-153.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:03 -!- dreadlorde [~dreadlord@c-24-11-39-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:03 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:05 -!- moraes [~moraes@189.103.176.58] has joined #go-nuts 16:05 -!- Sep102_ [~Sep102@c-71-231-176-153.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:06 < mpl> wrtp: heh, good call :) 16:06 -!- iant [~iant@nat/google/x-eiqklsybvdfowykc] has joined #go-nuts 16:06 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 16:06 -!- nullptr [~user@216-163-72-2.client.cypresscom.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:08 -!- unofficialmvp [~dev@94-62-164-227.b.ipv4ilink.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:08 -!- unofficialmvp [~dev@94-62-164-227.b.ipv4ilink.net] has left #go-nuts [] 16:08 -!- TMKCodes [~TMKCodes@unaffiliated/tmkcodes] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:08 -!- TMKCodess [~TMKCodes@unaffiliated/tmkcodes] has joined #go-nuts 16:10 < wrtp> mpl: i'm like a kid in a toyshop 16:13 -!- ShadowIce [~pyoro@HSI-KBW-109-193-120-162.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #go-nuts 16:13 -!- ShadowIce [~pyoro@HSI-KBW-109-193-120-162.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Changing host] 16:13 -!- ShadowIce [~pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044] has joined #go-nuts 16:14 < mpl> wrtp: I was speaking of the fact that you "predicted" they would announce it today, not that you're happy about it ;) 16:15 -!- __key__ [~key@unaffiliated/--key--/x-2566208] has joined #go-nuts 16:16 < nictuku> proper blog post: http://blog.golang.org/2011/05/go-and-google-app-engine.html 16:16 -!- piranha [~piranha@5ED43A0B.cm-7-5a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #go-nuts 16:17 < wrtp> dammit, the downloads aren't available yet 16:17 -!- victor_ [~victor@173-9-98-102-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:17 -!- ekipan [4b1379b2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.19.121.178] has joined #go-nuts 16:18 < moraes> wrtp, get directly from http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/downloads/list 16:18 < moraes> doc links are wrong 16:18 -!- virtualsue [~chatzilla@nat/cisco/x-fpvavbstfoytzusg] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:19 < wrtp> moraes: cool, thanks 16:20 < wrtp> got it 16:20 < mpl> heh, I hadn't realized that: " making it the first true compiled language that runs on App Engine" :) 16:21 -!- brtk [~brtk@dhcp-077034.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:21 -!- hallas [~hallas@x1-6-30-46-9a-b2-c5-1f.k891.webspeed.dk] has joined #go-nuts 16:21 < hallas> anyone got any experience with the Go-SDL package? 16:21 < aiju> which one? 16:21 < hallas> the fork one 16:21 < hallas> or both 16:22 < str1ngs> file google_appengine/goroot/bin/8g ELF 64-bit LSB executable :( 16:25 -!- awidegreen [~quassel@h-170-226.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #go-nuts 16:25 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.111.113] has quit [Quit: wrtp] 16:25 -!- unofficialmvp1 [~dev@94-62-164-227.b.ipv4ilink.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:25 < nictuku> str1ngs, which file did you download? 16:26 < str1ngs> 386 of course 16:26 < str1ngs> I should check the sha1 16:27 < str1ngs> go_appengine_sdk_linux_386-1.5.0.zip matches . seems strange 16:27 < icey> what combination of words do you guys find work the best for finding go related stuff? (For example, I'm looking for information on list comprehensions, and google keeps recommending "erlang list comprehensions" when I try "go lang list comprehensions" 16:27 < str1ngs> icey: go lang 16:27 < str1ngs> or go language 16:27 <+iant> str1ngs: that sounds like a bug; I'm sure 8g still generates 32-bit binaries, but it may have been compiled as a 64-bit executable itself 16:28 -!- xyproto [~alexander@77.40.159.131] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:28 -!- awidegreen [~quassel@h-170-226.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28 < str1ngs> iant: what I'm thinking but I cant post an issue do to 500 error. so I'll wait abit 16:28 < nictuku> iant, I can confirm str1ngs's report. 16:28 -!- keithcascio [~keithcasc@nat/google/x-jidnpezwklvyvjin] has joined #go-nuts 16:29 < nictuku> yeah, I just saw that too. 16:29 < icey> str1ngs: alright, thanks 16:29 < str1ngs> nictuku: do you get 500 error if you try click on issues? 16:29 < nictuku> yes. 16:30 < nictuku> str1ngs, both adg and iant are aware of it now. 16:30 < str1ngs> I'll play with x86_64 mean time :) 16:30 -!- xyproto [~alexander@77.40.159.131] has joined #go-nuts 16:30 < str1ngs> ok thanks 16:32 -!- awidegreen [~quassel@h-170-226.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #go-nuts 16:37 < str1ngs> x86_64 is working fine 16:38 -!- Paradox924X [~Paradox92@c-68-35-229-34.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:38 -!- Paradox924X [~Paradox92@vaserv/irc/founder] has joined #go-nuts 16:39 <@adg> i will ask my gophers to rebuild it 16:39 <@adg> thanks 16:39 < str1ngs> np glad I could point it out 16:40 -!- hcatlin [~hcatlin@pdpc/supporter/professional/hcatlin] has quit [Quit: hcatlin] 16:40 -!- unofficialmvp1 [~dev@94-62-164-227.b.ipv4ilink.net] has left #go-nuts [] 16:43 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@lawn-gw.rutgers.edu] has joined #go-nuts 16:45 -!- unofficialmvp [~dev@94-62-164-227.b.ipv4ilink.net] has joined #go-nuts 16:46 -!- unofficialmvp [~dev@94-62-164-227.b.ipv4ilink.net] has left #go-nuts [] 16:50 -!- 17SAAI21G [~josh@8.20.178.82] has joined #go-nuts 16:50 -!- 92AAC2G0O [~josh@8.20.178.82] has joined #go-nuts 16:50 -!- 17SAAI21G [~josh@8.20.178.82] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:50 -!- zerosanity [~josh@8.20.178.82] has joined #go-nuts 16:50 -!- zerosanity [~josh@8.20.178.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:50 -!- 92AAC2G0O [~josh@8.20.178.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:50 -!- zerosanity [~josh@8.20.178.82] has joined #go-nuts 16:52 < zerosanity> yay go on app engine 16:52 < skelterjohn> something official happen? 16:53 < zerosanity> http://blog.golang.org/2011/05/go-and-google-app-engine.html 16:53 < skelterjohn> oha 16:53 < Namegduf> Hell yeah. 16:53 -!- crow_ [~crow@77.28.96.125] has joined #go-nuts 16:53 < skelterjohn> what is app engine, exactly? can anyone give me a one-liner? 16:54 < icey> skelterjohn: Google's cloud service for app hosting 16:54 < skelterjohn> are they basically web apps with lots of support? 16:54 < skelterjohn> that is, UI via html/js? 16:54 -!- victor_ [~victor@173-9-98-102-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:55 < icey> skelterjohn: basically, yes; the backend runs on a specific architecture that google specifies, so you should develop your apps knowing that they're going to run on app engine ahead of time 16:55 < Namegduf> skelterjohn: It's a distributed, reliable service for running arbitrary software "on the cloud" 16:55 -!- GeertJohan [~Squarc@clal-1-119.eduroam.inholland.nl] has joined #go-nuts 16:56 < zerosanity> it's a PaaS 16:56 < Namegduf> With data storage APIs and other such things. 16:58 < moraes> several services etc, so that you don't need to be a sys admin to keep your site live; thats the idea 16:59 < Namegduf> Did they fix the data races in the implementation on App Engine, I wonder. 17:01 < moraes> datastore is a lot more reliable now with High Replication (which go users are forced to use) 17:01 < Namegduf> "The App Engine datastore is a schemaless object datastore, with no planned downtime, atomic transactions, high availability of reads and writes, eventual consistency for all queries except ancestor queries, and strong consistency for reads and ancestor queries." 17:01 < Namegduf> That kinda thing. 17:01 < Namegduf> It's a nice concept. 17:02 < skelterjohn> thanks for the high-level 17:06 -!- brtk [~brtk@c83-248-35-158.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #go-nuts 17:07 <+iant> Namegduf: I believe that Go on App Engine currently runs in a single OS thread (except for system calls) so there are no data races 17:08 < Namegduf> Oh, that's right. 17:08 < Namegduf> They do mention that. 17:08 < Namegduf> Thanks. 17:11 -!- rutkowski [~adrian@078088201249.walbrzych.vectranet.pl] has joined #go-nuts 17:11 -!- rutkowski [~adrian@078088201249.walbrzych.vectranet.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 17:11 -!- rutkowski [~adrian@078088201249.walbrzych.vectranet.pl] has joined #go-nuts 17:15 -!- kamaji [~kamaji@cpc2-aztw22-2-0-cust775.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #go-nuts 17:15 -!- hcatlin [~hcatlin@108-83-16-197.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:15 -!- hcatlin [~hcatlin@108-83-16-197.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:15 -!- hcatlin [~hcatlin@pdpc/supporter/professional/hcatlin] has joined #go-nuts 17:19 -!- Bigbear1 [~Cody@d173-181-43-12.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:19 < hallas> definately gonna go go-nuts in the app engine sdk 17:19 < hallas> thrilling news indeed 17:23 -!- virtualsue [~chatzilla@nat/cisco/x-rmfglpcgklvgnwdi] has joined #go-nuts 17:25 -!- GeertJohan [~Squarc@clal-1-119.eduroam.inholland.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:27 < Namegduf> I may be interested vaguely in app engine 17:29 -!- whitespacechar [~whitespac@24-247-159-7.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has joined #go-nuts 17:30 -!- fhs [~fhs@2001:0:4137:9e76:87f:54ac:b59a:bd8f] has joined #go-nuts 17:33 -!- ekipan [4b1379b2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.19.121.178] has left #go-nuts [] 17:33 < hallas> except for the sdk not being available on the downloads page everything is good :-) 17:34 < hallas> but apparently it is from the repository it self 17:34 < moraes> link is wrong, get from http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/downloads/list 17:34 -!- firwen [~firwen@2a01:e34:eea3:7e10:4a5b:39ff:fe51:e8ae] has joined #go-nuts 17:35 < hallas> yes sir, exactly 17:38 < nictuku> I can't find a way to import third-party libraries for an appengine app 17:38 < nictuku> if I change GOROOT to the google_appengine/goroot directory, goinstall will fail because it can't find the go sources 17:39 -!- tsung [~jon@112.104.53.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:39 -!- |Craig| [~|Craig|@panda3d/entropy] has joined #go-nuts 17:41 < hallas> your new app is compiled in the cloud, so I guess you'd simply copy them over and deploy together with your app? 17:41 < aiju> "compiled in the cloud" 17:41 < hallas> no goinstall 17:42 -!- icey [~user@ip68-104-183-151.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42 < iTonnerre> Heh 17:42 < nictuku> it should work. I'm removing the google_appengine/goroot directory, and making it a symlink to my goroot. Then at least the dev server will work. 17:43 < nictuku> ah, then I'd have to copy the existing stuff from google_appengine/goroot 17:47 -!- Bigbear1 [~Cody@d173-181-43-12.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:48 -!- photron_ [~photron@port-92-201-54-223.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #go-nuts 17:48 -!- tvw [~tv@212.79.9.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:49 -!- Bigbear1 [~Cody@d173-181-43-12.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #go-nuts 17:51 < uriel> is the mercurial repo for the app engine sdk accessible somewhere? 17:52 -!- fhs [~fhs@2001:0:4137:9e76:87f:54ac:b59a:bd8f] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:52 < uriel> http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/ seems to only contain the python and java sdks (plus it is svn, yuck) 17:54 < iTonnerre> I guess there's a reason why it's not announced yet 17:54 < iTonnerre> (From what I understand from the earlier discussion) 17:56 < str1ngs> nictuku: see demos/go-moustachio it uses 3rd party libs 17:57 < nictuku> str1ngs, exactly. that's the part I can't make work. 17:57 < nictuku> were you able to? 17:57 < str1ngs> my guess is just put the source in the app root 17:59 < str1ngs> import "www.foobar.com/somestufff" myapp/www.foogar.com/somestuff 17:59 < str1ngs> make sense? 17:59 < hallas> it does 18:00 < nictuku> indeed 18:01 < nictuku> then strictly speaking the go-moustachio demo is missing parts, right? 18:01 < nictuku> ahh, the README says that. duh. 18:02 < hallas> "README" 18:02 < hallas> what a strange name for such an unimportant document ;-) 18:03 -!- fhs [~fhs@pool-74-101-66-112.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:03 < str1ngs> hehe 18:05 < hallas> I never bother much myself 18:05 < hallas> Same story with IKEA furniture :D 18:05 -!- huin [~huin@91.85.171.238] has joined #go-nuts 18:07 -!- ruckdashel [~steve@199.17.112.1] has joined #go-nuts 18:08 -!- nictuku [~yvesj@unaffiliated/nictuku] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:11 -!- artefon [~thiago@150.164.2.20] has quit [Quit: bye] 18:17 < xyproto> go for google appengine is out 18:17 < xyproto> hello world does not work, though, I get: cannot use handler (type func()) as type func(http.ResponseWriter, *http.Request) in function argument 18:17 -!- TMKCodess [~TMKCodes@unaffiliated/tmkcodes] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:18 -!- TMKCodess [~TMKCodes@unaffiliated/tmkcodes] has joined #go-nuts 18:18 < hallas> seems like your handler doesnt take the correct parameters? 18:18 < hallas> Doesnt satisfy the handler type 18:19 < hallas> Whichever function/handler you pass to the http.HandleFunc as the second argument must take the responsewriter and a pointer to the request 18:20 -!- Vigud [u1143@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mfsgmatrbsolzzmg] has joined #go-nuts 18:20 < xyproto> hallas: in this case, I just used the code from here: http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/go/gettingstarted/helloworld.html 18:21 < xyproto> hallas: is the getting started hello world source code wrong? 18:21 < hallas> xyproto: Well, it should work, when I did the getting started stuff earlier, it worked just fine. If you're using that code, something else must be bugging out for ya 18:22 < xyproto> hallas: did you use the source code from that webpage or from the demos? 18:23 < hallas> xyproto: webpage 18:23 < hallas> wrote it in by hand though 18:23 -!- nictuku [~yvesj@unaffiliated/nictuku] has joined #go-nuts 18:23 < xyproto> hallas: me too. And triple checked what I had written. 18:24 < Soultaker> App Engine supports Go now? Cool! 18:24 < xyproto> here, I can even paste it for a comparison: http://go.pastie.org/1886008 http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/go/gettingstarted/helloworld.html 18:24 -!- hallas [~hallas@x1-6-30-46-9a-b2-c5-1f.k891.webspeed.dk] has left #go-nuts [] 18:24 -!- hallas [~hallas@x1-6-30-46-9a-b2-c5-1f.k891.webspeed.dk] has joined #go-nuts 18:24 < hallas> woops 18:24 < hallas> dunno what happened there 18:24 < xyproto> Soultaker: apparently, yes, but I'm having a hard time making hello world work. Just created a package for it on Arch. 18:25 < xyproto> "google-appengine-go" on AUR, if anyone is interested 18:26 -!- dreadlorde [~dreadlord@c-24-11-39-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:26 < hallas> xyproto: makes no sense that your code is not compiling, let alone the error you get 18:26 < hallas> xyproto: because we can all agree that handler is certainly not a func() :-) 18:26 -!- tvw [~tv@e176006169.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 18:27 < xyproto> hallas: I fully agree :) 18:27 < hallas> xyproto: one thing though :-) your missing an s in response 18:27 < xyproto> hallas: yes, I do! Thank you! 18:27 < hallas> xyproto: still a weird error :-) 18:28 < hallas> xyproto: if the type checker decides its a func() because reponsewriter doesnt exists, it should simple give that as an error, instead of the handler type it self not satisfying the HandleFunc function 18:30 < xyproto> hallas: yes, I was baffled. I fiddled around with environment variables for half an hour to try to figure out what was wrong :P 18:30 -!- bubb [~AndChat@S01065cd9985ba2e7.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31 < hallas> xyproto: one place where there is an error though in the webpage stuff, is http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/go/gettingstarted/usingdatastore.html - on line 16 or so the datastore package is referenced as datstore :P 18:32 < hallas> So keep your eye out :P 18:33 < xyproto> hallas: I will ;) 18:33 -!- hcatlin [~hcatlin@pdpc/supporter/professional/hcatlin] has quit [Quit: hcatlin] 18:36 -!- keidaa [~keidaa@cm-84.210.56.138.getinternet.no] has joined #go-nuts 18:38 < rutkowski> l 18:38 -!- kr [~Keith@204.14.152.118] has joined #go-nuts 18:38 < ww> hmmmm... so its true... 18:40 -!- BrowserUk [~Miranda@2.97.239.254] has joined #go-nuts 18:40 < BrowserUk> Can you build dlls/sos using go yet? 18:41 < ww> no 18:41 < BrowserUk> Does that concise answer also imply:...and you never will be able to? 18:41 < skelterjohn> no :) 18:41 < skelterjohn> it's on the "one day" list 18:44 < xyproto> BrowserUk: you can build wonderful and juicy .a files, though 18:44 < skelterjohn> yeah - if you stick to pure go it's not really a problem 18:44 < skelterjohn> but go code cannot be invoked from non-go code at all 18:44 < skelterjohn> the program has to begin as a go program 18:44 < skelterjohn> for now 18:44 < BrowserUk> Yup. But they can't be called from other languages :( 18:45 < skelterjohn> you can invoke code in another language from go (via C), and then provide callbacks 18:45 < skelterjohn> but that's not the same thing 18:45 < xyproto> hallas: woo, hello world works here now. Thanks :) 18:46 -!- foocraft_ [~ewanas@78.101.88.179] has joined #go-nuts 18:48 < BrowserUk> skelterjohn: No, not the same thing. Sometimes, one part of a project lends itself to a particular language--in this case Perl--but other parts need the performance of a compiled language. Back to boring an laborious C :( Thanks all. 18:48 < xyproto> app engine with Go works great! It's fun to just refresh to recompile and run :) 18:49 < uriel> 18:44 < skelterjohn> but go code cannot be invoked from non-go code at all 18:49 -!- foocraft [~ewanas@178.152.88.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:49 < uriel> not true 18:49 < hallas> xyproto: agreed 18:49 < skelterjohn> uriel: oh? 18:49 < uriel> I'm pretty sure you can call Go code from C now 18:49 < skelterjohn> really. 18:49 < skelterjohn> that would be a pretty interesting development 18:49 < ww> xyproto: do you have it on the appengine or just in the dev server? 18:49 < uriel> that was one of the requirements for swig 18:49 < skelterjohn> BrowserUk: you see that? i might be wrong 18:49 < skelterjohn> but happily wrong 18:50 * BrowserUk still reading 18:50 < skelterjohn> iant: you did the swig impl, right? 18:50 -!- fmoo [~Adium@c-76-102-41-101.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 18:50 < skelterjohn> can we use swig to start up go code from something else? does it have to be compiled with gccgo? 18:50 < str1ngs> skelterjohn: you can call go from C 18:51 < BrowserUk> uriel: The swig thing still requires that the final app be linked as a single executable though right? 18:51 < ww> you can certainly call go from C, it's just that go needs to be the main() to set up the runtime 18:51 < skelterjohn> right - that was the impression i had 18:51 < xyproto> ww: I just have it running here on my own computer, but I want to try it on the web soon as well. 18:51 < ww> unless this new development makes that untrue 18:51 < skelterjohn> but uriel has implied otherwise 18:52 < hallas> xyproto: sign up for their testing then 18:52 < xyproto> hallas: was just about to :) 18:53 * ww signed up... was terribly vague about what i want to do with it because i have no idea :) 18:53 * BrowserUk wonders how ahrd it would be to run the go main() in a kernel thread? 18:53 < str1ngs> skelterjohn: extern int go_function(int) __asm__ ("myprefix.mypackage.Function"); 18:53 < skelterjohn> that doesn't mean a whole lot to me 18:53 * BrowserUk winces:) 18:54 < str1ngs> read the gccgo page then 18:54 < skelterjohn> so you do have to use gccgo to do this, then? 18:54 < str1ngs> yes 18:55 < skelterjohn> that would make sense, since gccgo doesn't use the segmented stack stuff (i think) 18:55 < skelterjohn> which, as far as i could tell, was the main issue that made go <-> other difficult 18:55 < str1ngs> but all this is theory I"ve just play with calling C from go with gccgo 18:59 -!- BrowserUk [~Miranda@2.97.239.254] has quit [] 19:00 -!- artefon [~thiago@189.59.178.102.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #go-nuts 19:01 -!- foocraft_ [~ewanas@78.101.88.179] has quit [Quit: if you're going....to san. fran. cisco!!!] 19:03 -!- virtualsue [~chatzilla@nat/cisco/x-rmfglpcgklvgnwdi] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0.1/20110413222027]] 19:05 -!- XenoPhoenix [~Xeno@cpc13-aztw24-2-0-cust23.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07 -!- Venom_lnch [~pjacobs@75-27-133-72.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Venom_lnch] 19:08 -!- dreadlorde [~dreadlord@c-24-11-39-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [] 19:13 -!- dreadlorde [~dreadlord@c-24-11-39-160.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 19:14 -!- XenoPhoenix [~Xeno@cpc13-aztw24-2-0-cust23.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #go-nuts 19:15 < vegai> what the... 19:15 -!- Guest44981 [~crow@77.28.96.125] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:15 < vegai> they fixed 2382? 19:15 < vegai> methinks that should be in the topic... 19:15 < aiju> 2382? 19:15 < vegai> googleappengine: "Add Go Language support" 19:16 < aiju> *sigh* 19:16 < aiju> what's so special about that appengine stuff? 19:16 < aiju> CGI 2.0? 19:17 < vegai> By leveraging the Cloud, we can synergysize our business and increase shareholder value manyfold 19:17 < hallas> I think the signifance lies in the fact that go can use the various app engine features, thats all 19:17 < ww> aiju: google pays for your hosting? 19:18 < hallas> ww: and thar :D 19:18 < hallas> that* 19:18 < aiju> everybody is talking about it as if it was Jesus second coming 19:18 < vegai> I kinda thought they would never do it 19:19 < vegai> that's why I'm a bit amazed 19:19 < aiju> it's not like servers cost billions of euros each month 19:19 < vegai> well, it's nice if your cool new web app that will never get off the ground costs $0 to upkeep 19:20 < ww> well, maybe it'll also push Go "mainstream" so i can stop being accused of making "bespoke" software because i'm not using python 19:20 -!- Bigbear1 [~Cody@d173-181-43-12.abhsia.telus.net] has left #go-nuts [] 19:20 < hallas> aiju: jesus is not coming back :D the age of pisces will end soon :) next deity to walk the end should be around 2150 when the age of aquarius begings :-) 19:20 < hallas> end/earth 19:21 < aiju> thanks for that information, Mark V. Shaney 19:21 < hallas> wow, begins i mean 19:21 < moraes> it'll make go be more noticed and bring people like me to #go-nuts 19:21 < aiju> haha 19:21 * ww sings, "this is the dawning of the..." 19:21 < aiju> i use Plan 9 19:21 < aiju> i don't care how many people use stuff 19:22 < moraes> i just came to ask why go and not php??!1 19:22 < moraes> nah. kidding. 19:22 -!- tsung [~jon@112.104.53.151] has joined #go-nuts 19:22 < hallas> moraes: why not php as well? 19:22 < hallas> for the sake of the argument 19:22 < vegai> we might have a large bunch of people coming in here soon because of this 19:23 < vegai> brace yourselves! 19:23 < dreadlorde> be prepared to /leave 19:23 < aiju> that's rather frightening 19:23 < moraes> hallas, hm, because php is a hell to sandbox? 19:24 < moraes> (php is the #1 issue on app engine with 3k votes "add php support"... that should have been closed long ago as won't fix) 19:24 < vegai> yes, nothing can be good if it's popular 19:24 < aiju> moraes: -to sandbox 19:24 < moraes> heh 19:24 < hallas> a hell :-) 19:24 < moraes> a hell. period. 19:25 < hallas> well apparently some dude managed to make a billion dollar company out of some hellish stuff. Must be good for something :D 19:25 -!- visigoten [~fwagner@static-200-71-19-130.telmex.net.uy] has joined #go-nuts 19:25 < aiju> well, how much money did Degesch make? 19:26 < hallas> who dat :D ? 19:26 < aiju> company who manufactured the poison Zyklon B, which used to exterminate the jews during WWII 19:26 < aiju> yeah, i know about godwin's law.. 19:26 < hallas> hehe 19:26 < vegai> Rob Pike on the mailing list: "That's not the only surprise to be revealed today." 19:27 < vegai> this must be kind of like the feeling that normal people do when watching Idols 19:27 * ww has never seen anybody invoke godwin's law more often than aiju 19:27 < vegai> s/do/have/ 19:27 < aiju> hahahahahaha 19:27 < vegai> go for android, perhaps? 19:27 < hallas> omg orgasm 19:27 < vegai> that'd be too good 19:28 < vegai> therefore unbelievable 19:28 < ww> you guys are nuts 19:28 < aiju> go on android ... 19:28 < aiju> i couldn't care less 19:28 < hallas> if it go on android doesnt involve the vm then yipieee 19:28 < vegai> I might care less about your not caring 19:28 < vegai> but not much 19:28 < hallas> its* 19:29 -!- Kafo [~Kafo@a91-152-189-15.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #go-nuts 19:29 < ww> you can already run go on android 19:29 < hallas> A subset can I guess 19:30 < hallas> Like on any ARM processor? 19:30 < aiju> i do care about tarutis efforts to port Go to Plan 9 19:30 < ww> i did that talking to ASE when i got my android phone before the novelty wore off 19:30 < vegai> aiju: that is indeed interesting 19:30 < ww> works just fine. anything else would be a very big pain because you'd need a native java bridge 19:31 < aiju> quite successful, i might add 19:31 < hallas> I wrote one big android app, it was my first and last 19:34 <+iant> skelterjohn: I did the SWIG implementation, yes 19:34 <+iant> currently Go has to be the main function in the program 19:34 < skelterjohn> thanks. i wonder what uriel and str1ngs were referring, to, then 19:36 < taruti> vegai: if you are interested the latest snapshot is at http://violetti.org/go-2011.05.10.tbz (go the src directory and ./build.rc) 19:36 -!- dju_ [dju@fsf/member/dju] has joined #go-nuts 19:38 < __key__> go on app engine, hah 19:38 < __key__> never even heard of it 19:39 -!- dju__ [dju@fsf/member/dju] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:42 -!- photron_ [~photron@port-92-201-54-223.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:44 < moraes> __key__, congrats! 19:44 < __key__> ;) 19:44 < moraes> btw, you have the name of a python private var. 19:45 < __key__> yessir that's the point ;) 19:45 < moraes> __key__, what is nice is that we can go to the php issue and tell people to use go instead! 19:45 < __key__> hah 19:45 < __key__> tell them how dumb they feel that Go beat them ;) 19:46 < hallas> Does anyone know how to use a formatter map to format seconds into time? Im stuck at a point where I cant type assert ...interface{} properly to int64 19:48 < str1ngs> hallas: you mean like this msg("%v %v", p.Name, time.LocalTime().Format("03:04pm")) 19:48 < hallas> Yes 19:49 < hallas> Except, it must work with the formattermap from template package. So I can do {Date|timeformat} in the template 19:49 < str1ngs> ah ok not what I thought then 19:50 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.111.113] has joined #go-nuts 19:50 < hallas> I must use the seconds to create the Time struct in order to do the proper format. But I cant use the value passed through the formatter map because it wont type assert :-( 19:50 -!- __key__ [~key@unaffiliated/--key--/x-2566208] has left #go-nuts [] 19:51 -!- CrowX- [~crow@77.28.96.125] has joined #go-nuts 19:51 -!- wrtp [~rog@92.17.111.113] has quit [Client Quit] 19:55 -!- ruckdashel [~steve@199.17.112.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:55 < moraes> heh: http://twitter.com/#!/dougnaka/statuses/68039575997661184 19:56 < hallas> haha 19:56 < ahf> win 19:58 -!- ede [~ede@30-51-251.dynamic.csail.mit.edu] has joined #go-nuts 19:59 < aiju> goraes: haha 19:59 < aiju> does someone have a rifle handy? 20:01 -!- rutkowski [~adrian@078088201249.walbrzych.vectranet.pl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3-dev] 20:03 < dario> he'd answer that you'd have to shoot a lot of people if you want to shoot all who don't know go 20:03 < aiju> even if it wasn't Go, that statement would be particularly idiotic 20:03 -!- CrowX- [~crow@77.28.96.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:03 < aiju> "Why did Google choose their own language over someone else's #FAIL" 20:04 < huin> i did wonder if PHP people would start whinging 20:04 < dario> that's strange ... i'd expected you to say "he's not gonna say anything to a rifle shot" 20:05 < aiju> dario: rifle shots don't have to be deadly ;P 20:05 < aiju> also, i expect that kind of person to be a daemonic creature 20:05 < dario> ;P 20:06 < ww> distinctly cultish this #googleio twitter thing 20:08 -!- zozoR [~Morten@2906ds2-arno.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:09 -!- CrowX- [~crow@77.28.96.125] has joined #go-nuts 20:09 < kamaji> yaaaaay 20:09 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@82.84.91.209] has joined #go-nuts 20:09 < kamaji> I fixed my classifier 20:10 < kamaji> 78% accurate on 20 newsgroups, whoop whoop 20:11 * ww congratulates kamaji 20:11 -!- bortzmeyer [~stephane@2a01:e35:8bd9:8bb0:1093:80f4:cdcf:6a20] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:11 < ww> did you do the dirchlet thing? 20:12 < kamaji> no, I changed "Normal_CDF" to "Normal_PDF" 20:12 < kamaji> herp derp :( 20:12 -!- Project_2501 [~Marvin@dynamic-adsl-94-36-178-165.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:12 < kamaji> and thanks :) 20:13 < skelterjohn> that's what you get for adding the CDF to gostat 20:13 < skelterjohn> mass confusion! 20:13 < kamaji> riots in the streets :D 20:13 < kamaji> also I added the prior of the feature for missing features, seems to help 20:14 < kamaji> probably could do better though 20:14 < skelterjohn> you so want to learn about nonparametrics 20:14 -!- imsplitbit [~imsplitbi@64.39.4.132] has joined #go-nuts 20:14 < kamaji> I want to learn what a nonparametric _is_ 20:14 < skelterjohn> a distribution with an infinite number of parameters 20:15 < kamaji> equivalent to a discrete distribution? 20:15 < skelterjohn> (specifically, with parameters for all possible missing features) 20:15 < kamaji> oh wait no, infinite 20:15 < kamaji> that sounds like a sneaky trick 20:15 < skelterjohn> it's completely grounded in math 20:15 < kamaji> like a sneaky math trick 20:15 < skelterjohn> there are some infinities in there, sure 20:15 < kamaji> like the Kernel trick, which I still need to read up on 20:16 < skelterjohn> don't know much about kernels. i'm far too specialized to be useful 20:16 < kamaji> lol 20:16 < kamaji> what are you specialized in? 20:16 < taruti> any guesses what else will be announced? 20:16 < str1ngs> generics 20:16 * str1ngs runs and hides 20:16 < kamaji> ??? 20:17 < kamaji> announced? 20:17 < kamaji> adding features? 20:18 < skelterjohn> in the app engine announcement post rob pike said something else will be announced today too 20:19 < skelterjohn> "Google cancels go, everyone goes home!" 20:19 < str1ngs> no they are just renaming it to ghg :P 20:19 < hallas> why? ghg? 20:20 < dario> GoogHle Go ;P 20:20 < goraes> easier to google for tutorials 20:20 < str1ngs> http://twitter.com/#!/dougnaka/statuses/68039575997661184 20:20 < hallas> golang is fine for tutorials? 20:20 < kamaji> dario: rolls right off the tongue :P 20:20 < kamaji> yeah golang works 20:20 < kamaji> but then you have to know it 20:20 < skelterjohn> i don't see ghg in that tweet... 20:20 < kamaji> instead of PHP = fail? 20:20 < taruti> *sane* generics would be nice 20:21 < kamaji> I don't think anyone even knows how PHP works 20:22 -!- CrowX- [~crow@77.28.96.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:23 -!- huin [~huin@91.85.171.238] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:23 -!- Loonacy [~loonacy@c-67-172-248-248.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 20:33 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@lawn-gw.rutgers.edu] has quit [Quit: skelterjohn] 20:35 -!- boscop_ [~boscop@g230098129.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 20:37 -!- CrowX- [~crow@77.28.96.125] has joined #go-nuts 20:37 -!- boscop [~boscop@g230083250.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:39 -!- dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has joined #go-nuts 20:40 -!- dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has left #go-nuts [] 20:40 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@99.35.126.210] has joined #go-nuts 20:41 -!- dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has joined #go-nuts 20:45 -!- mikelalonde [~Adium@69.241.19.12] has left #go-nuts [] 20:46 -!- CrowX- [~crow@77.28.96.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:48 -!- iant [~iant@nat/google/x-eiqklsybvdfowykc] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:49 -!- zerosanity [~josh@8.20.178.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52 -!- hallas [~hallas@x1-6-30-46-9a-b2-c5-1f.k891.webspeed.dk] has left #go-nuts [] 20:53 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@conference/ubuntudevelopersummit/x-yyeqqqdyobegjlcf] has joined #go-nuts 20:59 -!- iant [~iant@nat/google/x-xdcvkmyqotuhjtqc] has joined #go-nuts 20:59 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 21:01 < keidaa> can someone help me understand this: http://goneat.org/doc/codelab/wiki/ 21:01 < keidaa> why is Page passed as indirect? 21:02 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@99.35.126.210] has quit [Quit: Venom_X] 21:04 -!- zanget [~zanget@hurf.durf.me] has joined #go-nuts 21:04 < xb95> indirect... you mean, as a pointer? *Page? it's more efficient to copy just a pointer than to copy a whole struct 21:05 < keidaa> ok, how would you do that without the inline &Page{.... 21:06 < keidaa> do I need to make a p = Page{fill in with blanks} and then pass that reference? 21:06 -!- nullptr [~user@216-163-72-2.client.cypresscom.net] has left #go-nuts ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 21:06 < xb95> what would be easier, tbh, would be to see the code you have that does not work, and then we can probably help you make it work.. 21:07 -!- Nitro [~Nitro@unaffiliated/nitro] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:07 -!- dju__ [dju@fsf/member/dju] has joined #go-nuts 21:07 < keidaa> it works with values, I'm just thinking if I should use pointers instead, just want to know how to pass it before I code it 21:08 < xb95> unless there is a reason you want it passed by value, then you probably want to use pointers. 21:08 < xb95> you can do that by taking the address of something with & 21:09 < xb95> func something(s *Something) {} 21:09 < xb95> var xyz Something; xyz.foo = 1; xyz.bar = 2; something(&xyz); 21:11 -!- dju_ [dju@fsf/member/dju] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:12 -!- tdnrad [~darndt@terminal.research.cs.dal.ca] has joined #go-nuts 21:13 < tdnrad> can I match non-greedily with the regexp package? 21:13 < kamaji> yargh... up to 86% but when I use anything other than term counts it just fails.... sigh :( 21:13 < aiju> tdnrad: not easily 21:14 < tdnrad> aiju: ok thanks 21:15 -!- keidaa [~keidaa@cm-84.210.56.138.getinternet.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:16 < tdnrad> hmm that makes things slightly more difficult.. 21:16 -!- napsy [~luka@88.200.96.18] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:17 -!- artefon [~thiago@189.59.178.102.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: bye] 21:17 -!- rlab [~Miranda@91.200.158.34] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 21:17 -!- niemeyer [~niemeyer@conference/ubuntudevelopersummit/x-yyeqqqdyobegjlcf] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:19 < aiju> tdnrad: what are you trying to do? 21:20 < tdnrad> trying to rip out all the XML/HTML like tags from some text.. things in <brackets> 21:20 < aiju> <[^>]+> 21:20 < aiju> is it that hard? :) 21:21 < tdnrad> well apparently not for you :) 21:21 < ww> kamaji: this is not an easy problem you're trying to solve 21:22 -!- firwen [~firwen@2a01:e34:eea3:7e10:4a5b:39ff:fe51:e8ae] has left #go-nuts [] 21:22 < tdnrad> aiju: Can you explain that regexp to me? 21:23 < aiju> < followed by at least one character which is not > followed by > 21:23 -!- Fish- [~Fish@9fans.fr] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 21:24 < xb95> that works until you run into <img src="..." caption="YOU > ME!" /> 21:25 < aiju> yeah, was a simple approach 21:25 < xb95> if you are parsing something like HTML you really need a proper lexer 21:25 < tdnrad> aiju: why isn't the + greedy in that case? 21:25 < aiju> tdnrad: it is 21:25 < tdnrad> xb95: It's enough to get me started though 21:25 < xb95> truly :) 21:25 < aiju> tdnrad: it only matches non > characters 21:26 < tdnrad> aiju: ahhh 21:26 < aiju> xb95: parsing XML/SGML is an insane task 21:26 < tdnrad> I'm silly 21:26 < tdnrad> thanks! 21:26 < aiju> especially SGML is pretty much impossible to sanely parse 21:26 < aiju> <body><p>hello<br>foo bar 21:26 < aiju> perfectly valid HTML document! 21:27 < xb95> aiju: yeah. JSON for all! 21:27 < aiju> plain text or gtfo 21:27 < xb95> haha 21:28 < aiju> unless you believe in "structured data" or something 21:29 < aiju> in which case it's too late for any help 21:30 -!- DerHorst [~Horst@e176127042.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 21:41 < nteon> http://tnetstrings.org/ FTW 21:44 -!- gtaylor [~gtaylor@99-126-136-139.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: gtaylor] 21:46 < xb95> Oh, neat. That's fairly similar to bencoding (used for BitTorrent). 21:50 -!- ShadowIce [~pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:53 -!- homa_rano [~erice@hmsvelociraptor.csail.mit.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53 -!- imsplitbit [~imsplitbi@64.39.4.132] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 21:54 -!- iTonnerre [~tonnerre@ec2-79-125-90-109.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 21:54 -!- nictuku [~yvesj@unaffiliated/nictuku] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:57 < uriel> 18:55 < skelterjohn> that would make sense, since gccgo doesn't use the segmented stack stuff (i think) 21:57 < uriel> this is wrong, gccgo does certainly use a segmented stack 22:02 < ww> gccgo++ 22:02 -!- Tasser [~freak@subtle/contributor/Tass] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:05 -!- nictuku [~yvesj@84-72-7-79.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #go-nuts 22:05 -!- nictuku [~yvesj@84-72-7-79.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Changing host] 22:05 -!- nictuku [~yvesj@unaffiliated/nictuku] has joined #go-nuts 22:06 -!- |Craig| [~|Craig|@panda3d/entropy] has quit [Quit: |Craig|] 22:08 -!- dfc [~dfc@eth59-167-133-99.static.internode.on.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:09 -!- whitespacechar [~whitespac@24-247-159-7.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has quit [Quit: whitespacechar] 22:10 -!- Tasser [~freak@subtle/contributor/Tass] has joined #go-nuts 22:10 -!- piranha [~piranha@5ED43A0B.cm-7-5a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:10 -!- whitespacechar [~whitespac@24-247-159-7.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has joined #go-nuts 22:12 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@75.144.24.109-BusName-walnutcreek.ca.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:13 < delinka> psh. we've barely become accustomed to go and now you're promoting go++ :-P 22:16 < jeremy_c> Is cgo supported on Windows? I am wrapping Iup and so far things are going great in Linux but I can't even get it to compile in Windows (MinGW/MSYS) 22:18 < jeremy_c> My iup.go library compiles fine to a .a file, but when linking against it the resulting demo programs complain about things such as IupClose not defined, IupOpen not defined, i.e. any C function that my .a file wrapped. 22:19 -!- fmoo [~Adium@c-76-102-41-101.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:20 -!- tvw [~tv@e176006169.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:31 -!- Nitro [~Nitro@unaffiliated/nitro] has joined #go-nuts 22:31 -!- aho [~nya@fuld-590c7f59.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:32 -!- aho [~nya@fuld-590c7f59.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:32 -!- aho [~nya@fuld-590c7f59.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:33 -!- awidegreen [~quassel@h-170-226.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39 -!- fmoo [~Adium@2620:0:1cfe:72:5ab0:35ff:fefd:feeb] has joined #go-nuts 22:42 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@75-27-133-72.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:42 < delinka> is there a generic pointer type? 22:42 -!- skelterjohn [~jasmuth@c-24-0-2-70.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #go-nuts 22:43 -!- pharris [~Adium@rhgw.opentext.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:44 < KirkMcDonald> interface{} 22:45 < kamaji> ww: it should be easy damnit :D 22:52 -!- iTonnerre [~tonnerre@ec2-79-125-90-109.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #go-nuts 23:01 -!- whitespacechar [~whitespac@24-247-159-7.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has quit [Quit: whitespacechar] 23:04 -!- iant [~iant@nat/google/x-xdcvkmyqotuhjtqc] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:12 -!- Kafo [~Kafo@a91-152-189-15.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13 -!- _DerHorst_ [~Horst@e176103040.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #go-nuts 23:15 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@75-27-133-72.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Venom_X] 23:15 -!- russell_h [~russell_h@osuosl/staff/russellh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16 -!- russell_h [~russell_h@ash.osuosl.org] has joined #go-nuts 23:16 -!- iant1 [~iant@nat/google/x-vmobbzctnchfhyhz] has joined #go-nuts 23:17 -!- DerHorst [~Horst@e176127042.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:21 -!- russell_1 [~russell_h@ash.osuosl.org] has joined #go-nuts 23:21 -!- russell_h [~russell_h@ash.osuosl.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24 < uriel> jeremy_c: I'm not sure, but I think cgo is supported, but it is a relatively recent development 23:28 -!- iant1 [~iant@nat/google/x-vmobbzctnchfhyhz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:28 -!- Project-2501 [~Marvin@82.84.91.209] has quit [Quit: E se abbasso questa leva che succ...] 23:28 < skelterjohn> supported by what? 23:29 -!- visigoten [~fwagner@static-200-71-19-130.telmex.net.uy] has left #go-nuts ["Saliendo"] 23:32 -!- iant [~iant@66.109.105.72] has joined #go-nuts 23:32 -!- mode/#go-nuts [+v iant] by ChanServ 23:37 < uriel> skelterjohn: windows 23:37 -!- russell_h [~russell_h@ash.osuosl.org] has quit [Changing host] 23:37 -!- russell_h [~russell_h@osuosl/staff/russellh] has joined #go-nuts 23:42 < skelterjohn> gb+cgo+windows works 23:42 < skelterjohn> or at least so i've been told 23:45 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@75.144.24.109-BusName-walnutcreek.ca.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:47 -!- whitespacechar [~whitespac@24-247-159-7.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has joined #go-nuts 23:56 -!- m4dh4tt3r [~Adium@52.sub-75-210-83.myvzw.com] has joined #go-nuts 23:56 -!- dju [dju@fsf/member/dju] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:57 -!- dju [dju@fsf/member/dju] has joined #go-nuts --- Log closed Wed May 11 00:00:50 2011